so answer me this....do you think one persons religious convictions should trump anothers???
Cause thats what this is all about...some belive life starts at conception and others don't...and those that do...want to control how women that don't, treat their bodies.
Ooooooh EXCELLENT post!! Gotta remember that one. I nominate this best post of the thread.
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so answer me this....do you think one persons religious convictions should trump anothers???
Cause thats what this is all about...some belive life starts at conception and others don't...and those that do...want to control how women that don't, treat their bodies.
That's a damn good question... But I think you can believe that life starts at conception without being religious at all-- You can believe that fetus is a life regardless of what a religion tells you. I mean, it's ugly, but it's obviously a human that is gonna one day be just like everybody else. I don't think you need God to tell you that, to me, it's obvious.
For those without a religion, or who don't believe in the afterlife-- isn't it more important that the kid experiences THIS life, especially if there is no second life? Yeah, some rotten shit goes down sometimes... but as we say, THAT'S LIFE. Life's pretty beautiful too.
I can't really emphasize it enough. It ain't about telling a woman how to treat her body. I think it's unfair to that other body that is so OBVIOUSLY a human being.
And to answer your question. Of course one person's religious beliefs should trump the others, IF IT'S RIGHT
That's a damn good question... But I think you can believe that life starts at conception without being religious at all-- You can believe that fetus is a life regardless of what a religion tells you. I mean, it's ugly, but it's obviously a human that is gonna one day be just like everybody else. I don't think you need God to tell you that, to me, it's obvious.
So what? I've got acorns all over my back yard. They contain all the genetic material required to produce an oak tree. If I leave them alone, one day they will be beautiful, majestic oaks. I'm not going to leave them alone though, I'm going to rake them up, and if some of them sprout I'm going to yank them out of the ground. Is that the same thing as chopping down trees?
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
So ladies...lets not waste any of your eggs...because they can become human life...and fellas...no more wanking just for the fun of it..cause your wasting all those human lives...millions...ah ah ah...okay, for some, Billions of lives. (-:
Eggs themselves won't become a life. Sperm itself won't become a life. A fetus will.
Difficult concept, huh?
It's a town full of losers and I'm pulling out of here to win
So what? I've got acorns all over my back yard. They contain all the genetic material required to produce an oak tree. If I leave them alone, one day they will be beautiful, majestic oaks. I'm not going to leave them alone though, I'm going to rake them up, and if some of them sprout I'm going to yank them out of the ground. Is that the same thing as chopping down trees?
Comparing trees and humans is like... COMPARING TREES AND HUMANS.
That's a damn good question... But I think you can believe that life starts at conception without being religious at all-- You can believe that fetus is a life regardless of what a religion tells you. I mean, it's ugly, but it's obviously a human that is gonna one day be just like everybody else. I don't think you need God to tell you that, to me, it's obvious.
For those without a religion, or who don't believe in the afterlife-- isn't it more important that the kid experiences THIS life, especially if there is no second life? Yeah, some rotten shit goes down sometimes... but as we say, THAT'S LIFE. Life's pretty beautiful too.
I can't really emphasize it enough. It ain't about telling a woman how to treat her body. I think it's unfair to that other body that is so OBVIOUSLY a human being.
And to answer your question. Of course one person's religious beliefs should trump the others, IF IT'S RIGHT
how exactly did you come up with life is at conception...I mean...few hours after the sperm entered the egg.......not that much happened...sooo if its not religious....tell me how do you then justify this particular time??? I'm thinking...you were influenced in your deductive reasoning.
OBVIOUSLY a human being...PLEASE!....
LIke your last line...seriously...I always have to remember to change the word "right" with "correct" when I post here... (-:
I apologize then. I just have no idea what your last post meant. Aren't you and me done anyway? I thought we agreed that we're cool, and that we'll never change each other.
So what? I've got acorns all over my back yard. They contain all the genetic material required to produce an oak tree. If I leave them alone, one day they will be beautiful, majestic oaks. I'm not going to leave them alone though, I'm going to rake them up, and if some of them sprout I'm going to yank them out of the ground. Is that the same thing as chopping down trees?
That's a good point. If you think about it, though, sweeping a yard full of acorns probably is like the equivalent of chopping down a tree or two (considering 99.9% of the acorns won't grow into trees anyway). But it's just a tree, so in no way do I condone not clearing your yard of acorns.
It's a town full of losers and I'm pulling out of here to win
I apologize then. I just have no idea what your last post meant. Aren't you and me done anyway? I thought we agreed that we're cool, and that we'll never change each other.
Nah, she had a point. But even though the principle is the same, the fact that it's a tree and not a human makes it more acceptable.
It's a town full of losers and I'm pulling out of here to win
how exactly did you come up with life is at conception...I mean...few hours after the sperm entered the egg.......not that much happened...sooo if its not religious....tell me how do you then justify this particular time??? I'm thinking...you were influenced in your deductive reasoning.
OBVIOUSLY a human being...PLEASE!....
LIke your last line...seriously...I always have to remember to change the word "right" with "correct" when I post here... (-:
No, you're right, it's definitley not obvious at conception. I answered your question wrong. I think by the time most preople realize they're pregnant, that thing inside is starting to resemble something human. That's what I mean when I said obvious.
As far as life at conception, hey, a human life can't be without a sperm AND an egg. So to me, that's where life begins. There can be sperm, and there can be eggs, but there can't be life until they are joined... so to me, that is the beginning of it all.
Eggs themselves won't become a life. Sperm itself won't become a life. A fetus will.
Difficult concept, huh?
actually, it MAY become a human life. as in, if all situations within the mother's womb remain ideal, that no problems exist/develop within the cell cluster to terminate the development, naturally i might add...forget 'on purpose.'. yep, the female human body sponanteously aborts! more often than you can even know. it is theorized that almost all women at one point or another during their actively fertile productivity, who are sexually active of course...probably have at least one miscarriage - a spontaneous abortion...usually w/o even knowing. so yea, many, many times....egg and sperm unite, become a zygote....an embryo...sometimes even an all-out fetus, and the body rejects it. so yea, not all fetuses become human. more probably don't make it than do.
so no, it's not a difficult concept at all.
hippiemom, good job. i get it, and i like it. anyone thinking you're comparing trees to humans..:rolleyes: although i will say, sheesh...we humans sure do think we are all *that*.
Just because someone is pro-life DOES NOT make them a right-wing religious fanatic like so many people seem to think. Religion has nothing to do with my stance on abortion.
It's a town full of losers and I'm pulling out of here to win
Just because someone is pro-life DOES NOT make them a right-wing religious fanatic like so many people seem to think. Religion has nothing to do with my stance on abortion.
very good point. sadly no pro choice people will see it that way
actually, it MAY become a human life. as in, if all situations within the mother's womb remain ideal, that no problems exist/develop within the cell cluster to terminate the development, naturally i might add...forget 'on purpose.'. yep, the female human body sponanteously aborts! more often than you can even know. it is theorized that almost all women at one point or another during their actively fertile productivity, who are sexually active of course...probably have at least one miscarriage - a spontaneous abortion...usually w/o even knowing. so yea, many, many times....egg and sperm unite, become a zygote....an embryo...sometimes even an all-out fetus, and the body rejects it. so yea, not all fetuses become human. more probably don't make it than do.
Interesting. But it's completely different when the body naturally expels an embryo by accident. That's nature, or God, or whatever power you believe in, choosing that embryo to be discarded. That's not for us to decide.
It's a town full of losers and I'm pulling out of here to win
I apologize then. I just have no idea what your last post meant. Aren't you and me done anyway? I thought we agreed that we're cool, and that we'll never change each other.
Yeah, but I'm bored, lol.
You said that destroying something at a very early stage of development (embryo or fetus) is the same as destroying a mature thing (person), because if left alone it will become a mature thing itself. If that is true, then sweeping up acorns and yanking seedlings out of the ground is the same as chopping down oak trees.
I did not say that killing a person is the equivalent of chopping down a tree. THAT would be comparing trees and humans.
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
You said that destroying something at a very early stage of development (embryo or fetus) is the same as destroying a mature thing (person), because if left alone it will become a mature thing itself. If that is true, then sweeping up acorns and yanking seedlings out of the ground is the same as chopping down oak trees.
I did not say that killing a person is the equivalent of chopping down a tree. THAT would be comparing trees and humans.
I wholeheartedly agree with you about acorns and trees. And I say, rake up all the acorns you want. Put 'em in a pie and eat 'em. I don't care.
I'm sayin that an acorn can't be put on the same level as a fetus. EVER.
very good point. sadly no pro choice people will see it that way
actually, that is just about as narrow a point of view as those you seem to be insulting. unbelievably, as a pro-choice individual, i CAN actually believe there are some who are pro-life..and not religious right-wing fanatics. yep....some of us can be open-minded enough to see that. even respect it. as long as you don't try to legislate YOUR personal beliefs on MY or any other woman's body....i totally respect ANYone's opinion on the topic.
man, i don't know why i let myself get sucked in, time and again...i soo should've stuck with:
you spin me round like a record, baby, right round round round
actually, that is just about as narrow a point of view as those you seem to be insulting. unbelievably, as a pro-choice individual, i CAN actually believe there are some who are pro-life..and not religious right-wing fanatics. yep....some of us can be open-minded enough to see that. even respect it. as long as you don't try to legislate YOUR personal beliefs on MY or any other woman's body....i totally respect ANYone's opinion on the topic.
man, i don't know why i let myself get sucked in, time and again...i soo should've stuck with:
you spin me round like a record, baby, right round round round
That's a good point. If you think about it, though, sweeping a yard full of acorns probably is like the equivalent of chopping down a tree or two (considering 99.9% of the acorns won't grow into trees anyway). But it's just a tree, so in no way do I condone not clearing your yard of acorns.
Most fertilized eggs never become babies either
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
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It is for our species. How can you dispute that?
nowadays hits you when you're young
Ooooooh EXCELLENT post!! Gotta remember that one. I nominate this best post of the thread.
nowadays hits you when you're young
That's a damn good question... But I think you can believe that life starts at conception without being religious at all-- You can believe that fetus is a life regardless of what a religion tells you. I mean, it's ugly, but it's obviously a human that is gonna one day be just like everybody else. I don't think you need God to tell you that, to me, it's obvious.
For those without a religion, or who don't believe in the afterlife-- isn't it more important that the kid experiences THIS life, especially if there is no second life? Yeah, some rotten shit goes down sometimes... but as we say, THAT'S LIFE. Life's pretty beautiful too.
I can't really emphasize it enough. It ain't about telling a woman how to treat her body. I think it's unfair to that other body that is so OBVIOUSLY a human being.
And to answer your question. Of course one person's religious beliefs should trump the others, IF IT'S RIGHT
Eggs themselves won't become a life. Sperm itself won't become a life. A fetus will.
Difficult concept, huh?
Comparing trees and humans is like... COMPARING TREES AND HUMANS.
But if they dont, the kid will probably be neglected or something, which isnt good for the parents or the kid.
there you are.
- brain of c
how exactly did you come up with life is at conception...I mean...few hours after the sperm entered the egg.......not that much happened...sooo if its not religious....tell me how do you then justify this particular time??? I'm thinking...you were influenced in your deductive reasoning.
OBVIOUSLY a human being...PLEASE!....
LIke your last line...seriously...I always have to remember to change the word "right" with "correct" when I post here... (-:
if you stop them before they become life.... (-:
I apologize then. I just have no idea what your last post meant. Aren't you and me done anyway? I thought we agreed that we're cool, and that we'll never change each other.
That's a good point. If you think about it, though, sweeping a yard full of acorns probably is like the equivalent of chopping down a tree or two (considering 99.9% of the acorns won't grow into trees anyway). But it's just a tree, so in no way do I condone not clearing your yard of acorns.
blushing....thanks.
what is for our species?
Nah, she had a point. But even though the principle is the same, the fact that it's a tree and not a human makes it more acceptable.
No, you're right, it's definitley not obvious at conception. I answered your question wrong. I think by the time most preople realize they're pregnant, that thing inside is starting to resemble something human. That's what I mean when I said obvious.
As far as life at conception, hey, a human life can't be without a sperm AND an egg. So to me, that's where life begins. There can be sperm, and there can be eggs, but there can't be life until they are joined... so to me, that is the beginning of it all.
actually, it MAY become a human life. as in, if all situations within the mother's womb remain ideal, that no problems exist/develop within the cell cluster to terminate the development, naturally i might add...forget 'on purpose.'. yep, the female human body sponanteously aborts! more often than you can even know. it is theorized that almost all women at one point or another during their actively fertile productivity, who are sexually active of course...probably have at least one miscarriage - a spontaneous abortion...usually w/o even knowing. so yea, many, many times....egg and sperm unite, become a zygote....an embryo...sometimes even an all-out fetus, and the body rejects it. so yea, not all fetuses become human. more probably don't make it than do.
so no, it's not a difficult concept at all.
hippiemom, good job.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
"probably be neglected or something" thats how you justify killing it?
many people come from difficult beginnings, and turn out just fine.
Just because someone is pro-life DOES NOT make them a right-wing religious fanatic like so many people seem to think. Religion has nothing to do with my stance on abortion.
I really think I got her point. But we're talking about flesh, a soul, a thinking being that runs this world vs. A TREE.
But then again. The username is hippie mom.
And I'm a fuckin meathead-- what do I know???
very good point. sadly no pro choice people will see it that way
Interesting. But it's completely different when the body naturally expels an embryo by accident. That's nature, or God, or whatever power you believe in, choosing that embryo to be discarded. That's not for us to decide.
You said that destroying something at a very early stage of development (embryo or fetus) is the same as destroying a mature thing (person), because if left alone it will become a mature thing itself. If that is true, then sweeping up acorns and yanking seedlings out of the ground is the same as chopping down oak trees.
I did not say that killing a person is the equivalent of chopping down a tree. THAT would be comparing trees and humans.
Yeah, right on. I'm gonna say something that'll make 3/4's of the people here agree with me.
FUCK BUSH!
and I mean that.
its actually more like 99%. thanks for sharing a unrelated to anything comment.
I wholeheartedly agree with you about acorns and trees. And I say, rake up all the acorns you want. Put 'em in a pie and eat 'em. I don't care.
I'm sayin that an acorn can't be put on the same level as a fetus. EVER.
actually, that is just about as narrow a point of view as those you seem to be insulting. unbelievably, as a pro-choice individual, i CAN actually believe there are some who are pro-life..and not religious right-wing fanatics. yep....some of us can be open-minded enough to see that. even respect it. as long as you don't try to legislate YOUR personal beliefs on MY or any other woman's body....i totally respect ANYone's opinion on the topic.
man, i don't know why i let myself get sucked in, time and again...i soo should've stuck with:
you spin me round like a record, baby, right round round round
she wasn't. it was merely illustrative.
an acorn does not equate a tree.
a zygote does not equate a human.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
I'm sayin despite my conservative stance on this issue, I am by no means, a right winger.
I apologize. I meant most. feel better now?