if it was discovered that the US govt was complicit...

RolandTD20Kdrummer

jlew24asu wrote:

this is a freakin image from space.

http://media.maps.com/images/promo/pentagon-after.jpg


it just amazes me that people are willing to say the whole thing was a conspiracy based on silly little assumptions that "the pilot couldnt see the pentagon."


im not yelling at you cate. just venting a lil. I like when u post here.

Terrorist have telescopes for eyes...wow!

This is what earth looks like from orbit (aka space) btw... :rolleyes:

choose a satellite.... click view
http://www.fourmilab.ch/earthview/satellite.html

:rolleyes:

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RolandTD20Kdrummer

g under p wrote:

Just what I said, it takes quite a bit of experience to fly a plane that large through that maze of a place under those stressful conditions into that Pentagon buildng on that day.


Peace

EXACTLY...

Airliners cannot fly perfectly flat and so low... Watch ANY airplane descend, and they all come at an angle....pure physics... as airplanes cannot fly flat.

The lawn in front on the pentagon was in perfect condition.

Just release the video(sss)....but they can't do that apparently.

g under p

jlew24asu wrote:

so what are you implying?

I wonder where he went? Oh I forgot to mention the 20 -30 story buildings on that side of the Pentagon that video taped what happened on that day.

Let's see what ya been holding, however I bet they won't.

Peace

even flow?

Some people (goverment parrots) have better eye sight then I. Hmmm, I know one of them will tell me they know a pilot which will go against the grain and say that he/she would have no problem spotting a building from 30,000 feet and with the greatest of ease, with no radar, be able to guide said plane from 30,000 feet and hit the target. All the best buddy!


The planes you people fly on must never get above 10,000 feet.

As for giving somebody who trained in a prop-plane the benefit of the doubt of being able to control that one plane better yet all of them with no help from a control tower. You people really need to talk to people who fly prop planes and ask why they haven't moved on up to the big time. It just ain't the same.

Educated and trained to fly and that passes your meager test. Good on ya!



Edit: And watching the show on PBS last evening and seeing that nice green sod infront of the perfect round hole in the pentagon just goes to show you people will buy into anything that the government tells you to keep that nice dream alive. You people board at ground level in the planes you fly in. Seems that planes are about as big as the side of the building they hit and to do it without scraping the ground well all the pilots in the world wish they could maneuver a plane that well.

jlew24asu

g under p wrote:

I wonder where he went? Oh I forgot to mention the 20 -30 story buildings on that side of the Pentagon that video taped what happened on that day.

Let's see what ya been holding, however I bet they won't.

Peace[/quote]
so again, what are you implying? that it was very difficult to pull off what the pilot did that day? or are you implying the no terrorist actually flew a plane? you must be implying something.

even flow?

MakingWaves wrote:

Better to just blame it on the terrorists and be done with it in their eyes.

The rallying cry for the people on this board who just don't want to dig enough with that lazy Yankee way.

even flow?

catefrances wrote:

whilst i have to admit hitting the pentagon was a mighty fine piece of flying, i also have to ask whether the planes were at cruising altitude though?
and not knowing the men in question i have no knowledge of just how intelligent they were. but as someoone said, the pentagon is quite a unique building. tis not like these guys woke up one day and decided to crash into the pentagon. it took planning and they did their homework well.

as for the twin towers. holy shit they stick out like a single tree in the desert.

I said that if they flew on the coast that they could pick out the towers. Satellite images and the human eye are different. Some people know that and others post pictures of images from space taken with satellites.


As for how high they were flying look up the flight paths. The answer is right there for you and all to see.

jlew24asu

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

EXACTLY...

Airliners cannot fly perfectly flat and so low... Watch ANY airplane descend, and they all come at an angle....pure physics... as airplanes cannot fly flat.

all you conspiracy wackjobs can do is speculate. you actually sound like you believe the garbarge coming from your mouth. pure physics huh? wow you are so smart it simply amazes me.

so I'll ask you, but like your buddy I doubt, I'll get an answer.

what are you implying? that it wasnt a plane? it was a missile? since only missiles can fly low and straight. pure physics right?

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

The lawn in front on the pentagon was in perfect condition.

where you there? no you werent. look at some of the links I posted. there is debris everywhere. and no the lawn was not in perfect condition.

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Just release the video(sss)....but they can't do that apparently.

this is the only thing that keeps aluminum companies in business.

jlew24asu

g under p wrote:

Just what I said, it takes quite a bit of experience to fly a plane that large through that maze of a place under those stressful conditions into that Pentagon buildng on that day.


Peace

I didnt ask what you said, I asked what you are implying.

catefrances

even flow? wrote:

I said that if they flew on the coast that they could pick out the towers. Satellite images and the human eye are different. Some people know that and others post pictures of images from space taken with satellites.


As for how high they were flying look up the flight paths. The answer is right there for you and all to see.

yeah im fairly certain that if i highjacked a plane i'd continue flying at regulation altitude if i already had my target in mind. :rolleyes:

RolandTD20Kdrummer

jlew24asu wrote:

all you conspiracy wackjobs can do is speculate. you actually sound like you believe the garbarge coming from your mouth. pure physics huh? wow you are so smart it simply amazes me.

so I'll ask you, but like your buddy I doubt, I'll get an answer.

what are you implying? that it wasnt a plane? it was a missile? since only missiles can fly low and straight. pure physics right?

where you there? no you werent. look at some of the links I posted. there is debris everywhere. and no the lawn was not in perfect condition.

this is the only thing that keeps aluminum companies in business.

release the videos then mr smartypants...

what's the big hold up?

jlew24asu

even flow? wrote:

Some people (goverment parrots) have better eye sight then I. Hmmm, I know one of them will tell me they know a pilot which will go against the grain and say that he/she would have no problem spotting a building from 30,000 feet and with the greatest of ease, with no radar, be able to guide said plane from 30,000 feet and hit the target. All the best buddy!


The planes you people fly on must never get above 10,000 feet.

As for giving somebody who trained in a prop-plane the benefit of the doubt of being able to control that one plane better yet all of them with no help from a control tower. You people really need to talk to people who fly prop planes and ask why they haven't moved on up to the big time. It just ain't the same.

Educated and trained to fly and that passes your meager test. Good on ya!



Edit: And watching the show on PBS last evening and seeing that nice green sod infront of the perfect round hole in the pentagon just goes to show you people will buy into anything that the government tells you to keep that nice dream alive. You people board at ground level in the planes you fly in. Seems that planes are about as big as the side of the building they hit and to do it without scraping the ground well all the pilots in the world wish they could maneuver a plane that well.

did you study ebonics? anyway, I dont understand what you think is so difficult to find a huge penatgon shaped building from the air. and you keep mentioning 30,000 feet.....why? you say this as if they were flying at regulation altitude and speed.

you know absolutely nothing about the hijackers personally. they could have been studying flight paths, flight training, coordinates (SP?), topography, etc.

but all you can come up with is saying, if I'm too stupid and blind to ever pull off a move like that, it must have been a conspiracy.

g under p

jlew24asu wrote:

I didnt ask what you said, I asked what you are implying.

Believe whatever I wrote, gather whatever implication from what I said but until YOU go down to the Pentagon or drive on I395 which passes the Pentagon you'll clearly understand the implication YOU desperately have been seeking.

Good luck to ya Washington DC is not that far from NYC.

Peace

catefrances

jlew24asu wrote:

did you study ebonics? anyway, I dont understand what you think is so difficult to find a huge penatgon shaped building from the air. and you keep mentioning 30,000 feet.....why? you say this as if they were flying at regulation altitude and speed.

you know absolutely nothing about the hijackers personally. they could have been studying flight paths, flight training, coordinates (SP?), topography, etc.

but all you can come up with is saying, if I'm too stupid and blind to ever pull off a move like that, it must have been a conspiracy.

it seems the thought of an intelligent terrorist may be beyond some people's comprehension. that somehow because these fellows were 'brown'' as a previous poster described them, they are incapable of learning or something.
jaysus of course they went to flight school, we all know that. and reading maps is not that difficult.

g under p

catefrances wrote:

it seems the thought of an intelligent terrorist may be beyond some people's comprehension. that somehow because these fellows were 'brown'' as a previous poster described them, they are incapable of learning or something.
jaysus of course they went to flight school, we all know that. and reading maps is not that difficult.

Not that difficult to fly into Northern Virginia?

Are you kidding, I bet you National Airport, Northern VA, Washington DC area is in the top 10 in THE Most difficult areas to fly into in the USA.

I Betcha.

Peace

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Which terrorist was the one that the flight instructors said was like the shittiest pilot he ever saw?

I remember one the instructors saying one of them couldn't fly for shit..

dg1979us

even flow? wrote:

I said that if they flew on the coast that they could pick out the towers. Satellite images and the human eye are different. Some people know that and others post pictures of images from space taken with satellites.


As for how high they were flying look up the flight paths. The answer is right there for you and all to see.

The only thing I can find about altitude said the plane was flying at about 7000 feet when it was 35 miles from the pentagon. If you have something different, please share. Im open to any accounts, but Im sorry if it takes a bit more than your theory on vision and training.

dg1979us

g under p wrote:

Not that difficult to fly into Northern Virginia?

Are you kidding, I bet you National Airport, Northern VA, Washington DC area is in the top 10 in THE Most difficult areas to fly into in the USA.

I Betcha.

Peace

They didnt fly into the airport. And how do you know how difficult it is? Are you a pilot? Just curious.

g under p

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Which terrorist was the one that the flight instructors said was like the shittiest pilot he ever saw?

I remember one the instructors saying one of them couldn't fly for shit..

Yes you are correct the exact same one who was supposedly flew into the Pentagon. That instuctors' flight school was not far from my house in MD and he stated he was the worse student he had.

Peace

catefrances

g under p wrote:

Not that difficult to fly into Northern Virginia?

Are you kidding, I bet you National Airport, Northern VA, Washington DC area is in the top 10 in THE Most difficult areas to fly into in the USA.

I Betcha.

Peace

i didnt say it wasnt difficult. if fact i didnt say anything about degree of difficulty. all i said was tis not difficult to read a map and i questioned the validity of dismissing the terrorists as not smart enough to do what we know they did.