if it was discovered that the US govt was complicit...

LikeAnOcean

Who's going to legitamately discover them, our other government?

Do I think our government was behind 911?.. No.

Do I think they knew it was going to happen?.. Maybe.

Did they use our fears to push an agenda?.. Definitely.

jeffbr

Drowned Out wrote:

Why don't you take a stab at answering some of those unanswered questions instead of belittling those that do? oh no, don't ask questions or jeffbr will call you a nutter. Sheeple like YOU are the reason the truth will never come out. You can admit that there are a lot of questions, but can't even look at any alternative explanations without starting with the insults and questioning people's sanity. With that attitude, I have a feeling that if someone dropped the smoking gun on your lap, you still wouldn't believe. And THAT is why there would be no revolution if one appeared....there would still be a huge percentage of people that just don't WANT to believe. (WMD, anyone?)

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and figure that your reading comprehension skills are subpar. I stated as clearly as possible that I didn't have the answers, but that I also didn't feel the need to fill the void with fairy tales. People who question aren't nutters. People who "know the truth" no matter how outlandish and sci-fi are the nutters.

And you lambast people who "don't WANT to believe", but I think the converse exists here as well. There are plenty of people tho want to believe that this was an inside job, and will create whatever outlandish tales they can to attempt to back reinforce that belief.

jeffbr

LikeAnOcean wrote:

Do I think our government was behind 911?.. No.

Do I think they knew it was going to happen?.. Maybe.

Did they use our fears to push an agenda?.. Definitely.

This is exactly what I think, as well. Nicely said.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

You could take some people back in a time machine...show them exactly what happened close up and get everyone to personally confess and they still wouldn't believe what was represented outside the media.

One thing is for certain here either way, something has been done on purpose, whether it's the with holding of information or the act itself. One of the two is intentional and for a reason. This is highly abnormal consisidering the scope of the tragedy.

It just don't add up Gus...

It it's all legit....let the information flow out...and lets all move on.

But no. Genie in a bottle... There's a reason for that. But even that's a secret. Secret secrets...

someone is pissing up my leg here.

MasterFramer

jeffbr wrote:

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and figure that your reading comprehension skills are subpar. I stated as clearly as possible that I didn't have the answers, but that I also didn't feel the need to fill the void with fairy tales. People who question aren't nutters. People who "know the truth" no matter how outlandish and sci-fi are the nutters.

And you lambast people who "don't WANT to believe", but I think the converse exists here as well. There are plenty of people tho want to believe that this was an inside job, and will create whatever outlandish tales they can to attempt to back reinforce that belief.

I have yet to tell an outlandish tale, I just said I don't think an airliner hit the pentagon. I've also said why. So why don't you explain to us why you believe the government when they said the plane vaporized. Cause that shit is a fairy tale. Where are the two 6,000lbs plane engines? poof! Vaporized! Right...

Drowned Out

jeffbr wrote:

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and figure that your reading comprehension skills are subpar. I stated as clearly as possible that I didn't have the answers, but that I also didn't feel the need to fill the void with fairy tales. People who question aren't nutters. People who "know the truth" no matter how outlandish and sci-fi are the nutters.

And you lambast people who "don't WANT to believe", but I think the converse exists here as well. There are plenty of people tho want to believe that this was an inside job, and will create whatever outlandish tales they can to attempt to back reinforce that belief.

Has anyone in this thread said they "know the truth" about what happened? That's why you're part of the problem. It's pretty easy to say you don't know the answers. But if no one ever raises an alternative opinion on what happened, how will you ever find the truth? Even tho you agree with LikeAnOcean's statement, you still call people nutters. But compared to the official report, what he says is "nutter". So you are judging harshly based on semantics and personal opinion.

Of course the "obverse" exists (me no comprehend?). I am only one step further than you....I believe the answers should be:
1.Yes, some of them 2.some of them - definitely, and 3.duh. I don't pretend to KNOW...but I don't waste my energy insulting people with differing views. I pretty much quoted you just to call you a sheep since you like the nutter phrase so much. I think I'm going to find a neat-o catch phrase to insult people with every time they talk about something they saw on the idiot box and took as gospel.

slightofjeff

MasterFramer wrote:

I have yet to tell an outlandish tale, I just said I don't think an airliner hit the pentagon.

That is an outlandish tale. People saw a plane hit the Pentagon. People were on it. Where are the people who were on that flight, if a plane didn't crash? Was there rapture right before the plane hit or what? Sounds about as plausible as anything you're considering ...

Drowned Out

What is more plausible....

a plane disappearing during the complete chaos of every plane in NA being grounded, while multiple war game simulations ocur?.....

OR...

Massive steel jet engines evaporating, shrinking and changing makes because of an explosion?

just sayin.

MasterFramer

slightofjeff wrote:

That is an outlandish tale. People saw a plane hit the Pentagon. People were on it. Where are the people who were on that flight, if a plane didn't crash? Was there rapture right before the plane hit or what? Sounds about as plausible as anything you're considering ...

You are believing eye witnesses? That is your only source? Did you know there are numerous reports of another low flying aircraft in the area, some also say that they saw a smaller plane hit the pentagon. So we have conflicting reports, let's look at the crash site. Where is the wreckage of a passenger airliner? How does a plane and everything on board vaporize? I really want to know.

slightofjeff

MasterFramer wrote:

You are believing eye witnesses? That is your only source?

You have a better one?

Look, you're not going to convince me there was some vast government conspiracy to blow up the Pentagon. You just aren't.

So I've got nothing more to say here.

Drowned Out

slightofjeff wrote:

You have a better one?

Look, you're not going to convince me there was some vast government conspiracy to blow up the Pentagon. You just aren't.

So I've got nothing more to say here.

hahaha.....and therein lies the rub.
Can't come up with a retort and you just basically say fuck you and walk away.....EXACTLY why nothing would happen if government complicity was proven.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

MasterFramer wrote:

You are believing eye witnesses? That is your only source? Did you know there are numerous reports of another low flying aircraft in the area, some also say that they saw a smaller plane hit the pentagon. So we have conflicting reports, let's look at the crash site. Where is the wreckage of a passenger airliner? How does a plane and everything on board vaporize? I really want to know.

Kucinich saw a UFO...so a plane hit the pentagon...

hehe

Oh .....hold...on...wait a sec...maybe a UFO hit the pentagon?!...

Thats it!

yes ...brainstorming!

hi-five.

It was a flying salami...probably a kosher. This explains why the engines cooked in the fire and the CIA agents unknowingly ate the engines with a little mustard thinking it was a staffed buffet function.

Also steel can evaporate pretty fast just in air sometimes you know... Strange things happen at the entrance to the porthole to hell...

The porthole follows Cheney like a shadow and he was there that day.

slightofjeff

Drowned Out wrote:

hahaha.....and therein lies the rub.
Can't come up with a retort and you just basically say fuck you and walk away.....EXACTLY why nothing would happen if government complicity was proven.

Jesus Christ, you people are warped. If government complicity was PROVEN it would be one thing. But nothing has been PROVEN, has it? Just a bunch of crackpot conjecture, trying to tell me the government blew up the Pentagon, knocked down the WTC towers, and talked Osama bin Laden into taking credit.

I thought the Bush administration is the most incompetent administration in the history of the country. yet they pulled this off? Apparently, Bush is a fucking diabolical genius.

Give me a break. I'm not walking away because I don't have a retort. I'm walking away because the whole idea is ludicrous. The more logical theory: The dude that already tried to blow up the WTC once actually pulled it off.

If someone told me, "The sky is made of spaghetti" I wouldn't bother myself with arguing with them. I'd just walk away. And maybe call a mental health professional.

MasterFramer

slightofjeff wrote:

You have a better one?

Look, you're not going to convince me there was some vast government conspiracy to blow up the Pentagon. You just aren't.

So I've got nothing more to say here.

Yeah I guess not, your narrow minded pro USA ego would explode if you actually looked at any of the evidence. "I know what happened on 9/11 cause the government told me so."

LikeAnOcean

I'm gonna over-simplify things,.. but essentially, 9/11, we did it to ourselves.. humans that is..

Drowned Out

slightofjeff wrote:

Jesus Christ, you people are warped. If government complicity was PROVEN it would be one thing. But nothing has been PROVEN, has it? Just a bunch of crackpot conjecture, trying to tell me the government blew up the Pentagon, knocked down the WTC towers, and talked Osama bin Laden into taking credit.

I thought the Bush administration is the most incompetent administration in the history of the country. yet they pulled this off? Apparently, Bush is a fucking diabolical genius.

Give me a break. I'm not walking away because I don't have a retort. I'm walking away because the whole idea is ludicrous. The more logical theory: The dude that already tried to blow up the WTC once actually pulled it off.

If someone told me, "The sky is made of spaghetti" I wouldn't bother myself with arguing with them. I'd just walk away. And maybe call a mental health professional.

wtf are you talking about? you're doing exactly what I was talkinga bout....you can't answer a question, so you go on the attack.... There are legit questions coming from both sides...why do the people on your side of the argument get so fucking defensive? Why the insults?

Seriously...you know the problems that people see with what you're saying, but you ignore them...

the Bin Laden video is questionable at best. The ONLY time he's admitted it, as far as I know...and he's denied involvement many times.

The Bush administration has a lot of brilliant people in it, just cause they're 'led' by a monkey doesn't mean they aren't capable of pulling the wool over people's eyes...Iraq proved that.

The first WTC attack had alleged US involvement....

But you ignore these things because, "you're never going to convince me there was some vast government conspiracy". I'm not trying to convince you of anything...just have some respect.

even flow?

jlew24asu wrote:

and all the evidence overwhelmingly leads to el queda. conspiracy wackos only ask a bunch of questions that have no answers.

That is why they are very good questions to ask.


Gee all they have to do is give back all the tapes they took from the flight path of the pentagon crash so the public can actually see a plane!

Oh and as one of my buds pointed out over dinner last evening....How do you pick the pentagon out from 30 thou with the communication on how to get there turned off? We could see a lucky shot at the towers if you happened to be flying along the coast with very, very good eyesight. But how about the pentagon with no navigation and some very tight turns? See jlew and how you'd march on Washington. There is a very valid question that has no answer. Oh boy us crackheads and our questions. I suppose the FAA were still showing the way to the pentagon ala the flight path the plane was already on? Right!!!

jlew24asu

MasterFramer wrote:

I have yet to tell an outlandish tale, I just said I don't think an airliner hit the pentagon.

you have taken the prize for the two most opposite statements in the history of this message board.

MasterFramer wrote:

I've also said why. So why don't you explain to us why you believe the government when they said the plane vaporized.

no you havent. prove this statement. you cant. and guess what else......take a guess as to what happens to most of a plane flying at 500+mph and hits one of the most solid concrete structures ever built. I'll give you 2 guesses, smart people only need one.

MasterFramer wrote:

Cause that shit is a fairy tale. Where are the two 6,000lbs plane engines? poof! Vaporized! Right...

http://www.rense.com/general32/phot.htm

http://antiprotester.blogspot.com/2006/07/flight-77-simulation-demolishes.html


and the ever popular http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?page=6


and I'll ask again, something that all I have gotten is a LOL from you.

what the fuck is this??

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/Flight_77_wreckage_at_Pentagon.jpg/800px-Flight_77_wreckage_at_Pentagon.jpg&imgrefurl=http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Flight_77_wreckage_at_Pentagon.jpg&h=600&w=800&sz=144&hl=en&start=1&um=1&tbnid=o2SUB15SKq5CnM:&tbnh=107&tbnw=143&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dlight%2B77%2Bwreckage%26svnum%3D10%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26sa%3DN

jlew24asu

even flow? wrote:

That is why they are very good questions to ask.


Gee all they have to do is give back all the tapes they took from the flight path of the pentagon crash so the public can actually see a plane!

Oh and as one of my buds pointed out over dinner last evening....How do you pick the pentagon out from 30 thou with the communication on how to get there turned off? We could see a lucky shot at the towers if you happened to be flying along the coast with very, very good eyesight. But how about the pentagon with no navigation and some very tight turns? See jlew and how you'd march on Washington. There is a very valid question that has no answer. Oh boy us crackheads and our questions. I suppose the FAA were still showing the way to the pentagon ala the flight path the plane was already on? Right!!!

dude you really need to work on your english.

even flow?

jlew24asu wrote:

dude you really need to work on your english.

I wouldn't expect a real answer from you my man. Typical when you are painted in a corner and don't have a valid answer. What is next say I'm gay?