...in the 9/11 attacks and there was irrefutable evidence, what would the US public do you think?
I'm not American, but I've lived in this country for a while. I think some people would be angry, but most would be in denial and find a way to refute the evidence. As far as I am concerned, I'd just receive irrefutable evidence for something I have suspected for a long time.
... and the will to show I will always be better than before.
I wouldn't expect a real answer from you my man. Typical when you are painted in a corner and don't have a valid answer. What is next say I'm gay?
I want to answer your questions but your grammar sucks. I cant understand your giberish. try again and I will be happy to answer your questions. and you have lost your mind if you think you have or can paint me in a corner on this issue. I beg you to try.
I want to answer your questions but your grammar sucks. I cant understand your giberish. try again and I will be happy to answer your questions. and you have lost your mind if you think you have or can paint me in a corner on this issue. I beg you to try.
We have all been in airplanes and we all know that you can't see a building from 30,000 feet. Thus please tell me how those brown boys, came down from that height with no communication with a tower and the preplanned flight path of Boston to LA in the system and still were able to pick the towers (of which they found the coast they could have been very lucky) and picked the pentagon out with ease. Things like that just don't "happen" by chance. They were not ace pilots and there is not a chance in hell they were able to pull that off without help or not even being in the airplane at all.
So my question for you to answer is how did they do that? Have you been in an airplane? Have you been able to see buildings and know what they are from 30,000 feet? I didn't think you have nor could those brown boys in the cockpit of those planes that day.
YOU OR ANY OTHER PROFESSED NONBELIEVER CAN TAKE A SWIPE AT THAT ONE.
We have all been in airplanes and we all know that you can't see a building from 30,000 feet. Thus please tell me how those brown boys, came down from that height with no communication with a tower and the preplanned flight path of Boston to LA in the system and still were able to pick the towers (of which they found the coast they could have been very lucky) and picked the pentagon out with ease. Things like that just don't "happen" by chance. They were not ace pilots and there is not a chance in hell they were able to pull that off without help or not even being in the airplane at all.
So my question for you to answer is how did they do that? Have you been in an airplane? Have you been able to see buildings and know what they are from 30,000 feet? I didn't think you have nor could those brown boys in the cockpit of those planes that day.
YOU OR ANY OTHER PROFESSED NONBELIEVER CAN TAKE A SWIPE AT THAT ONE.
yes I have been on a plane many times. and I dont find it that difficult (or impossible as you say) to pick out certain buildings. my opinon is that its rather easy. there is no other building on the planet that has the same shape as the pentagon. from the air it probably looks like a fucking bullseye. these hijackers, while not the best pilots, had many hours of flight training. I'm sure they studied the targets extensively.
all you are providing is a personal opinion that "hitting the pentagon was simply too difficult"
thats your proof of it being a missile? of the planes being flown by remote control?
do you see you have nothing even close to proof......of anything.
i would say it depends on how much time goes by ... if the evidence comes after another decade has passed then - i would say the reaction would be like every other atrocity america has been part of ... rationalized or ignored ...
i would say it depends on how much time goes by ... if the evidence comes after another decade has passed then - i would say the reaction would be like every other atrocity america has been part of ... rationalized or ignored ...
its different when the "atrocity" is killing thousands of its own people.
It's kind of like the kid in the playground. He hits you once. You don't respond. He pinches you, you don't respond. He scratches your arm. You don't respond.
Then, feeling emboldened, he punches you in the nose. He's gone too far.
Sometimes I wonder how it was possible for GWB to be reelected.
Then I read these things and I understand.
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We have all been in airplanes and we all know that you can't see a building from 30,000 feet. Thus please tell me how those brown boys, came down from that height with no communication with a tower and the preplanned flight path of Boston to LA in the system and still were able to pick the towers (of which they found the coast they could have been very lucky) and picked the pentagon out with ease. Things like that just don't "happen" by chance. They were not ace pilots and there is not a chance in hell they were able to pull that off without help or not even being in the airplane at all.
So my question for you to answer is how did they do that? Have you been in an airplane? Have you been able to see buildings and know what they are from 30,000 feet? I didn't think you have nor could those brown boys in the cockpit of those planes that day.
YOU OR ANY OTHER PROFESSED NONBELIEVER CAN TAKE A SWIPE AT THAT ONE.
I'm glad someone pointed this out in that i work half a year in DC and i see these planes navigate down the Potomac River to National Airport. If I'm not mistaken but National Airport is one of the most difficult airport to land on much less trying to FIND the Pentagon. It's a relative FLAT building unlike the WTC or the Capital Building or The White House much easier to spot.
Then trying to get that plane in position to hit the Petagon without crashing into the ground and now we're talking about the supposedly worse pilot of so called terrorists. One HAS to be very experienced to fly into DC's National Airport.
Have any of you seen what it's like to navigate into that side of Northern VA, DC area? Have Ya? Worst than a needle in a haystack if you have no experience.
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We have all been in airplanes and we all know that you can't see a building from 30,000 feet. Thus please tell me how those brown boys, came down from that height with no communication with a tower and the preplanned flight path of Boston to LA in the system and still were able to pick the towers (of which they found the coast they could have been very lucky) and picked the pentagon out with ease. Things like that just don't "happen" by chance. They were not ace pilots and there is not a chance in hell they were able to pull that off without help or not even being in the airplane at all.
So my question for you to answer is how did they do that? Have you been in an airplane? Have you been able to see buildings and know what they are from 30,000 feet? I didn't think you have nor could those brown boys in the cockpit of those planes that day.
YOU OR ANY OTHER PROFESSED NONBELIEVER CAN TAKE A SWIPE AT THAT ONE.
The pentagon is a massive structure with a very unique shape. Id imagine it is one of the easiest buildings in the country to pick out from the air. Im not trying to get into this debate, because neither side is going to convince the other. But I wouldnt imagine the pentagon being an extremely difficult building to pick out from the air. And how well they were trained in flying is just speculation on your part. Most of these guys were students and intelligent people. To think they couldnt learn to navigate a plane for their purposes in a relatively short period of time is nothing but an assumption on your part.
You have to be one of the biggest assholes on here. I'm through with you and the rest of you fucks. Instead of having a discusion you result to personal attacks. What Ive found with meeting people on this board, thepeople with the loudest bark end up being the pussies that would never say the same shit to your face. I guess its my fault I expected more from children.
BTW That plane wreckage is not consistent with an airliner. But it don't matter I fully expect an insult instead of an intelligent response.
the US has sent roughly the same amount to die in iraq for a trumped up war ... no one seems to be doing much about that ...
good point...
they have knowingly killed 4,000 american troops and hundreds of thousands of innocent iraqi's based on lies and deception
so what makes you think they give a fuck about you or anyone else? we are not "their own people"... you are simply a dumb consumer as far as they are concerned... dont ever forget it
the US has sent roughly the same amount to die in iraq for a trumped up war ... no one seems to be doing much about that ...
If it could be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that the U.S. government was complicit in the worst attack on U.S. soil in history, I guarantee you there would be a level of outrage the likes of which this nation has never seen.
That said, others on this thread have brought up a good point about what constitutes "beyond a shadow of a doubt." There are 12 people in this country that apparently believed O.J. didn't kill his wife ...
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
the US has sent roughly the same amount to die in iraq for a trumped up war ... no one seems to be doing much about that ...
those soliders signed up fully knowing death was a possibility. the people who went to work that morning in new york, or got on the planes never signed up for such things.
You have to be one of the biggest assholes on here. I'm through with you and the rest of you fucks. Instead of having a discusion you result to personal attacks. What Ive found with meeting people on this board, thepeople with the loudest bark end up being the pussies that would never say the same shit to your face. I guess its my fault I expected more from children.
and you must be the biggest fucking cry baby on this board. you cant take the heat get the fuck out of the kitchen. bye bye. and I'll say whatever you want to hear to your face. I've met plenty of people from this board and had great times with them. you have some very deep personal issues you have to deal with. I'm doin just fine. thanks for stopping by.
Yes and the families got to hear the black box recordings.
These threads would be more legitamite if people asked questions about what the government knew before hand and such, and didn't say stupid shit about it not being a plane that hit the Pentagon.
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People understand what they want to understand and believe in what does not compromise theirs beliefs, that's why I've decided to stop talking about the whole 9 11 thing, they just feel safe thinking it's how they told them it is. Let them be safe, though I'm worried about what can happen next while everyone is looking away because they're too scared to look right into the issues. (Applies to many other aspects of this society - Columbine's, VTech's, Gun policies.....)
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Yes and the families got to hear the black box recordings.
These threads would be more legitamite if people asked questions about what the government knew before hand and such, and didn't say stupid shit about it not being a plane that hit the Pentagon.
hey waves. dont do it man!!!! its so easy to get sucked back in these threads. the no plane theory has to be near the top of tin hat insanity. there are a few who ask good questions. but its rare.
and fyi for those keeping score.... "No plane hit the pentagon" is not a question. its a statement.
hey waves. dont do it man!!!! its so easy to get sucked back in these threads. the no plane theory has to be near the top of tin hat insanity. there are a few who ask good questions. but its rare.
and fyi for those keeping score.... "No plane hit the pentagon" is not a question. its a statement.
Hey Jlew, you're right. I will step out as quickly as I stepped in
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The only thing that makes me question the whole 9/11 story is the plane in PA. I've been told by someone off the record that the plane was shot down. This is someone that I go pretty far back with and they wouldn't bullshit me.
I have no problem with the plane being shot down at all. It saved many lives in doing so. I do have a problem though w/ the propeganda that was put out about Flight 93 and the whole "Let's Roll" craze. It makes me sick to think that this government would try to capitalize on such a tragedy to establish a catch phrase for a military invasion.
The only thing that makes me question the whole 9/11 story is the plane in PA. I've been told by someone off the record that the plane was shot down. This is someone that I go pretty far back with and they wouldn't bullshit me.
I have no problem with the plane being shot down at all. It saved many lives in doing so. I do have a problem though w/ the propeganda that was put out about Flight 93 and the whole "Let's Roll" craze. It makes me sick to think that this government would try to capitalize on such a tragedy to establish a catch phrase for a military invasion.
See, this is a legitimate question. I really wouldn't be surprised if they shot down Flight 93.
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See, this is a legitimate question. I really wouldn't be surprised if they shot down Flight 93.
The thing I don't get is if they did shoot it down...why not tell us? I think the American people are strong enough to handle it. I think that's an easier pill to swallow than seeing a plane fly into a building.
The only thing that makes me question the whole 9/11 story is the plane in PA. I've been told by someone off the record that the plane was shot down. This is someone that I go pretty far back with and they wouldn't bullshit me.
I have no problem with the plane being shot down at all. It saved many lives in doing so. I do have a problem though w/ the propeganda that was put out about Flight 93 and the whole "Let's Roll" craze. It makes me sick to think that this government would try to capitalize on such a tragedy to establish a catch phrase for a military invasion.
I agree its certainly possible the plane was shot down.
but I think its documented fact that people on board made decisions to try and get into the cockpit.
there are recorded phone conversations with verizon .....no?
I agree its certainly possible the plane was shot down.
but I think its documented fact that people on board made decisions to try and get into the cockpit.
there are recorded phone conversations with verizon .....no?
I think you are right. I've heard people say that the conversations were really odd and didn't "sound" legit. I have yet to hear them, so I will reserve judgement on that.
I think you are right. I've heard people say that the conversations were really odd and didn't "sound" legit. I have yet to hear them, so I will reserve judgement on that.
I dont think they have ever been released to the public. just for the families. so I'm not sure how the people you've spoken to know that.
it would be nice to hear though. that is as much fact as one can ask for regarding what actually happened on that plane.
The thing I don't get is if they did shoot it down...why not tell us? I think the American people are strong enough to handle it. I think that's an easier pill to swallow than seeing a plane fly into a building.
You are right but in the end i think the politicians involved in making the decision would have been too scared to be remembered as having ordered the shooting down of a plane. Better to just blame it on the terrorists and be done with it in their eyes.
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Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
I'm not American, but I've lived in this country for a while. I think some people would be angry, but most would be in denial and find a way to refute the evidence. As far as I am concerned, I'd just receive irrefutable evidence for something I have suspected for a long time.
I want to answer your questions but your grammar sucks. I cant understand your giberish. try again and I will be happy to answer your questions. and you have lost your mind if you think you have or can paint me in a corner on this issue. I beg you to try.
We have all been in airplanes and we all know that you can't see a building from 30,000 feet. Thus please tell me how those brown boys, came down from that height with no communication with a tower and the preplanned flight path of Boston to LA in the system and still were able to pick the towers (of which they found the coast they could have been very lucky) and picked the pentagon out with ease. Things like that just don't "happen" by chance. They were not ace pilots and there is not a chance in hell they were able to pull that off without help or not even being in the airplane at all.
So my question for you to answer is how did they do that? Have you been in an airplane? Have you been able to see buildings and know what they are from 30,000 feet? I didn't think you have nor could those brown boys in the cockpit of those planes that day.
YOU OR ANY OTHER PROFESSED NONBELIEVER CAN TAKE A SWIPE AT THAT ONE.
yes I have been on a plane many times. and I dont find it that difficult (or impossible as you say) to pick out certain buildings. my opinon is that its rather easy. there is no other building on the planet that has the same shape as the pentagon. from the air it probably looks like a fucking bullseye. these hijackers, while not the best pilots, had many hours of flight training. I'm sure they studied the targets extensively.
all you are providing is a personal opinion that "hitting the pentagon was simply too difficult"
thats your proof of it being a missile? of the planes being flown by remote control?
do you see you have nothing even close to proof......of anything.
its different when the "atrocity" is killing thousands of its own people.
Sometimes I wonder how it was possible for GWB to be reelected.
Then I read these things and I understand.
I'm glad someone pointed this out in that i work half a year in DC and i see these planes navigate down the Potomac River to National Airport. If I'm not mistaken but National Airport is one of the most difficult airport to land on much less trying to FIND the Pentagon. It's a relative FLAT building unlike the WTC or the Capital Building or The White House much easier to spot.
Then trying to get that plane in position to hit the Petagon without crashing into the ground and now we're talking about the supposedly worse pilot of so called terrorists. One HAS to be very experienced to fly into DC's National Airport.
Have any of you seen what it's like to navigate into that side of Northern VA, DC area? Have Ya? Worst than a needle in a haystack if you have no experience.
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The pentagon is a massive structure with a very unique shape. Id imagine it is one of the easiest buildings in the country to pick out from the air. Im not trying to get into this debate, because neither side is going to convince the other. But I wouldnt imagine the pentagon being an extremely difficult building to pick out from the air. And how well they were trained in flying is just speculation on your part. Most of these guys were students and intelligent people. To think they couldnt learn to navigate a plane for their purposes in a relatively short period of time is nothing but an assumption on your part.
What does this have to do with GWB being re-elected? I think you need to read this post in its entire context.
I was explaining a miscalculation that OBL made. HAs nothing to do with Bush.
for the least they could possibly do
You have to be one of the biggest assholes on here. I'm through with you and the rest of you fucks. Instead of having a discusion you result to personal attacks. What Ive found with meeting people on this board, thepeople with the loudest bark end up being the pussies that would never say the same shit to your face. I guess its my fault I expected more from children.
BTW That plane wreckage is not consistent with an airliner. But it don't matter I fully expect an insult instead of an intelligent response.
you assume they would view the victims as their "own" people...
these people care nothing about you or me... we are simply fools they need to support their agenda of global military domination and global empire
the US has sent roughly the same amount to die in iraq for a trumped up war ... no one seems to be doing much about that ...
good point...
they have knowingly killed 4,000 american troops and hundreds of thousands of innocent iraqi's based on lies and deception
so what makes you think they give a fuck about you or anyone else? we are not "their own people"... you are simply a dumb consumer as far as they are concerned... dont ever forget it
If it could be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that the U.S. government was complicit in the worst attack on U.S. soil in history, I guarantee you there would be a level of outrage the likes of which this nation has never seen.
That said, others on this thread have brought up a good point about what constitutes "beyond a shadow of a doubt." There are 12 people in this country that apparently believed O.J. didn't kill his wife ...
for the least they could possibly do
those soliders signed up fully knowing death was a possibility. the people who went to work that morning in new york, or got on the planes never signed up for such things.
how can I give you an intelligent response to such a idiotic statement? not consistent with an airliner? then what is it consistent with?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/Flight_77_wreckage_at_Pentagon.jpg/800px-Flight_77_wreckage_at_Pentagon.jpg
Yes and the families got to hear the black box recordings.
These threads would be more legitamite if people asked questions about what the government knew before hand and such, and didn't say stupid shit about it not being a plane that hit the Pentagon.
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hey waves. dont do it man!!!! its so easy to get sucked back in these threads. the no plane theory has to be near the top of tin hat insanity. there are a few who ask good questions. but its rare.
and fyi for those keeping score.... "No plane hit the pentagon" is not a question. its a statement.
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well I hope you check back from time to time. you bring a level of common sense rarely seen by the conspiracy nuts.
I have no problem with the plane being shot down at all. It saved many lives in doing so. I do have a problem though w/ the propeganda that was put out about Flight 93 and the whole "Let's Roll" craze. It makes me sick to think that this government would try to capitalize on such a tragedy to establish a catch phrase for a military invasion.
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See, this is a legitimate question. I really wouldn't be surprised if they shot down Flight 93.
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The thing I don't get is if they did shoot it down...why not tell us? I think the American people are strong enough to handle it. I think that's an easier pill to swallow than seeing a plane fly into a building.
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I agree its certainly possible the plane was shot down.
but I think its documented fact that people on board made decisions to try and get into the cockpit.
there are recorded phone conversations with verizon .....no?
I think you are right. I've heard people say that the conversations were really odd and didn't "sound" legit. I have yet to hear them, so I will reserve judgement on that.
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I dont think they have ever been released to the public. just for the families. so I'm not sure how the people you've spoken to know that.
it would be nice to hear though. that is as much fact as one can ask for regarding what actually happened on that plane.
You are right but in the end i think the politicians involved in making the decision would have been too scared to be remembered as having ordered the shooting down of a plane. Better to just blame it on the terrorists and be done with it in their eyes.
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