Gun Debate

69charger

First, check my sig.

Second, banning guns on school grounds just makes everyone else defenseless.

Guns are here to stay. Banning them only makes criminals stronger.

jlew24asu

zstillings wrote:

The middle ground may start with enforcing the actual laws on the books right now instead of constantly passing knee-jerk legislation with no intent to enforce it.

true

wavin_goodbye

sonicreducer wrote:

how well is that enforced? i've seen inner city schools have detectors and things of that sort. the high school i graduated from was 4A, but in a clean county. we had empty bomb threats, but nothing serious. the high school i transferred in from after freshman year was 2A and had cops all over campus with detectors. who would have thought that VT would be a target?


people bitch about the US becoming a police state with cameras and security checks and stuff, but i would probably vote for legislation favoring security. (if they proposed something here in clemson)

i really don't think stuff like that would be effective (increased security, cops, metal detectors)

It's not like a metal detector will make someone turn around.. and cops/security could decrease the death toll, but even 1 death is 1 too many.

it's a cultural/societal thing, in my opinion.

blondieblue227

laws can only do so much, right? if people want anything, all they'd have to do is go underground.

wavin_goodbye wrote:

it's a cultural/societal thing, in my opinion.

bingo.

right to bare arms. blah blah blah. why do people feel threatened enough to own a gun here?

Vedderlution_Baby

jlew24asu wrote:

hey hey hey, no Iraq shit here.

but your point about the handgun. I dont think this handgun should be banned. although I am amazed if this is true. so far its 32 dead and 22 wounded.

I'm just shocked that 54 people could be shot by a handgun before he is taken down.

I dont know about handguns. I don't see the function for them. I suppose protection.


I do think there should be tougher laws when it comes to obtaining them.

onelongsong

cutback wrote:

Yeah but if this was a (presumably) gun that holds 15+ bullets and can be emptied quickly and reloaded just as fast. This type of gun just seems unnecessary for a citizen to have. But whatever, I'm so tired of guns I don't care whether we have them or not. We need to spend $400 billion on education in this country instead of nation building on the other side of the world.

i own magazines that hold 90 rounds. what's your point?

Vedderlution_Baby

we could do what chris rock said and make bullets cost 50,000 a piece.

PJPOWER

jlew24asu wrote:

yes, even after today I would like laws to be harder to obtain them. but where is the middle ground we can come to that will keep guns legal but also keep them out of the hands of people who shouldnt have them. it sucks.

That's the thing. There is no easy answer like "outlaw all guns" or "everyone should have a gun". Maybe we should outlaw crazy people...........or lock depressed people up to keep them from causing harm to themselves or others? The fact of the matter is that people do crazy things for a number of reasons. If it comes back that he was abused as a child will we have more strict punishments for child abusers? If he had lost his job should we find better ways of compensating those who lose their jobs? No one can predict these events, and the fault is with the person who committed this selfish act. We can be better prepared for acts like this by upgrading security features at schools, but as always, if there is a will there is a way. What would have detered a person this desperate and determined? I personally doubt any gun law could have.......

onelongsong

69charger wrote:

First, check my sig.

Second, banning guns on school grounds just makes everyone else defenseless.

Guns are here to stay. Banning them only makes criminals stronger.

and even if guns were banned; the government would never find mine.

PJPOWER

blondieblue227 wrote:

laws can only do so much, right? if people want anything, all they'd have to do is go underground.





bingo.

right to bare arms. blah blah blah. why do people feel threatened enough to own a gun here?

Maybe the fear of someone going into a place and shooting everyone up is the motivating factor behind why people want to protect themselves with a counteroffense...........?

dunkman

69charger wrote:

First, check my sig.

Second, banning guns on school grounds just makes everyone else defenseless.

Guns are here to stay. Banning them only makes criminals stronger.

first.. he was a supergrass.. ergo he's weak and pathetic

second... wholly moronic statement award goes to you

third... Like, I was over in England. You ever been to England, anyone, been to England? No one has handguns in England, not even the cops. True or false? True. Now-in England last year, they had fourteen deaths from handguns. FFFFFourteen. Now-the United States, and I think you know how we feel about handguns-woooo, I'm getting a warm tingly feeling just saying the fucking word, to be honest with you. I swear to you, I am hard. Twenty-three thousand deaths from handguns. Now let's go through those numbers again, because they're a little baffling at first glance. England, where no one has guns, fffffffourteen deaths. United States, and I think you know how we feel about guns-woooo, I'm getting a stiffy-twenty-three thousand deaths from handguns. But there's no connection, and you'd be a fool and a Communist to make one. There's no connection between having a gun and shooting someone with it, and not having a gun and not shooting someone. There have been studies made and there is no connection at all there. Yes. That's absolute proof. You know, fourteen deaths from handguns. Probably American tourists, too.
(Angry tourist voice) You call this a sandwich? BANG! BANG! You don't boil pizza! BANG! BANG!
(Scared English voice) That's the way we eat here, that's the way we eat here! BANG!
(Tourist voice) This food sucks! BANG

blondieblue227

PJPOWER wrote:

Maybe the fear of someone going into a place and shooting everyone up is the motivating factor behind why people want to protect themselves with a counteroffense...........?

but if nobody had guns in the first place? not even cops.

silly thought huh.


dunkman - funny you should post right then. that was sort of my point.

jlew24asu

PJPOWER wrote:

That's the thing. There is no easy answer like "outlaw all guns" or "everyone should have a gun". Maybe we should outlaw crazy people...........or lock depressed people up to keep them from causing harm to themselves or others? The fact of the matter is that people do crazy things for a number of reasons. If it comes back that he was abused as a child will we have more strict punishments for child abusers? If he had lost his job should we find better ways of compensating those who lose their jobs? No one can predict these events, and the fault is with the person who committed this selfish act. We can be better prepared for acts like this by upgrading security features at schools, but as always, if there is a will there is a way. What would have detered a person this desperate and determined? I personally doubt any gun law could have.......

true but tougher gun laws and stiffer penalties might have prevented this or other crimes. no matter what laws are in place, bad people will still do bad things, but that should stop law makers from making things more difficult for them

jlew24asu

dunkman wrote:

third... Like, I was over in England. You ever been to England, anyone, been to England? No one has handguns in England, not even the cops. True or false? True. Now-in England last year, they had fourteen deaths from handguns. FFFFFourteen. Now-the United States, and I think you know how we feel about handguns-woooo, I'm getting a warm tingly feeling just saying the fucking word, to be honest with you. I swear to you, I am hard. Twenty-three thousand deaths from handguns. Now let's go through those numbers again, because they're a little baffling at first glance. England, where no one has guns, fffffffourteen deaths. United States, and I think you know how we feel about guns-woooo, I'm getting a stiffy-twenty-three thousand deaths from handguns. But there's no connection, and you'd be a fool and a Communist to make one. There's no connection between having a gun and shooting someone with it, and not having a gun and not shooting someone. There have been studies made and there is no connection at all there. Yes. That's absolute proof. You know, fourteen deaths from handguns. Probably American tourists, too.
(Angry tourist voice) You call this a sandwich? BANG! BANG! You don't boil pizza! BANG! BANG!
(Scared English voice) That's the way we eat here, that's the way we eat here! BANG!
(Tourist voice) This food sucks! BANG

wow I did not know this. interesting information thanks.

Vedderlution_Baby

dunkman wrote:

first.. he was a supergrass.. ergo he's weak and pathetic

second... wholly moronic statement award goes to you

third... Like, I was over in England. You ever been to England, anyone, been to England? No one has handguns in England, not even the cops. True or false? True. Now-in England last year, they had fourteen deaths from handguns. FFFFFourteen. Now-the United States, and I think you know how we feel about handguns-woooo, I'm getting a warm tingly feeling just saying the fucking word, to be honest with you. I swear to you, I am hard. Twenty-three thousand deaths from handguns. Now let's go through those numbers again, because they're a little baffling at first glance. England, where no one has guns, fffffffourteen deaths. United States, and I think you know how we feel about guns-woooo, I'm getting a stiffy-twenty-three thousand deaths from handguns. But there's no connection, and you'd be a fool and a Communist to make one. There's no connection between having a gun and shooting someone with it, and not having a gun and not shooting someone. There have been studies made and there is no connection at all there. Yes. That's absolute proof. You know, fourteen deaths from handguns. Probably American tourists, too.
(Angry tourist voice) You call this a sandwich? BANG! BANG! You don't boil pizza! BANG! BANG!
(Scared English voice) That's the way we eat here, that's the way we eat here! BANG!
(Tourist voice) This food sucks! BANG

wait a minute. Boiling pizza?

PJPOWER

blondieblue227 wrote:

but if nobody had guns in the first place? not even cops.

silly thought huh.

Yeah, too bad everyone does have guns in the first place......................"in the first place" was a long time ago.

Pacomc79

jlew24asu wrote:

true but tougher gun laws and stiffer penalties might have prevented this or other crimes. no matter what laws are in place, bad people will still do bad things, but that should stop law makers from making things more difficult for them

Generally laws only tend to curb behaviors of sane people.

It's impossible to legislate out tradegy. If you want to harm people badly enough you'll find a way to do it regardless of what is legal or illegal.

dunkman

PJPOWER wrote:

Yeah, too bad everyone does have guns in the first place......................"in the first place" was a long time ago.

we banned handguns after the Dunblane Massacre over here in Scotland.

no guns deaths ever since...

co-incidence

rebornFixer

dunkman wrote:

we banned handguns after the Dunblane Massacre over here in Scotland.

no guns deaths ever since...

co-incidence

Not a single gun death since then? I cry bullshit.

PJPOWER

jlew24asu wrote:

true but tougher gun laws and stiffer penalties might have prevented this or other crimes. no matter what laws are in place, bad people will still do bad things, but that should stop law makers from making things more difficult for them

Agreed........and good point........but it's not a black and white issue. I think that education is a serious issue if not the most important one. Maybe more and cheaper outlets for people needing psychological help?