its your first post on this forum and you wasted it :(
of course the guy is to blame... he pulled the trigger!!! take away the trigger and the guy would have been shouting BANG!!! and that girl would just have a sore ear rather than be dead!!! so the gun is an integral part of the equation... so that infamous refrain of "guns dont kill people, people kill people" should actually be "people do kill people, but guns help... with no gun the person is just very pissed off"
If you feel I wasted my first post because my beliefs differ from yours...too bad! I won't apologize because this forum wouldn't exist if everyone had the same beliefs. Also, I believe your beliefs are just as valued to you as mine are to me! Guns aren't the only things that help kill people. Should we ban knives of all sorts? Should we cut off the hands of battering partners? Should we stop manufacturing cars and revert back to horse and buggy? The point of my post was the problem is much too large for a "gun control" law. A more realistic solution has yet to be found.
you must be the change you want to see in the world ~ Mahatma Gandhi
If you feel I wasted my first post because my beliefs differ from yours...too bad! I won't apologize because this forum wouldn't exist if everyone had the same beliefs. Also, I believe your beliefs are just as valued to you as mine are to me! Guns aren't the only things that help kill people. Should we ban knives of all sorts? Should we cut off the hands of battering partners? Should we stop manufacturing cars and revert back to horse and buggy? The point of my post was the problem is much too large for a "gun control" law. A more realistic solution has yet to be found.
but you have to admit...guns just make it too damn easy...if we banned hand guns there would be less deaths....there is no other solution....humans are animals..and will use the tools we have.
,,,.you didn't waste your first post...glad you joined in.
See, the trouble i see it (Morning Dunkman, back again!) is that the very same gun laws which are allowing you to arm yourself to protect your family, is the very same gun laws which are allowing people to arm themselves to harm your family.
Am I the only one who thinks this is stupid!
What's stupid is to believe criminals/murderers acquire firearms through legal channels.
Criminals commit firearm-related crimes with illegal weapons/firearms.
People of the anti-gun crowd will never understand.
They live in an idealistic fantasy world in their mind, which tells them that if all firearms were abolished from being legally owned and carried; then no one would ever shoot each other , again. They think murder would cease to exist.
Unfortunately, the real world and human behavior clearly dictates that this country would be a much more dangerous place, if this were ever to happen.
we never said murder will cease to exist...do you even read our posts....it will be a start...guns equal murders...the more guns..the more murders...the less guns..the less murders....we know the world isnt' perfect..yet we also know that we shouldn't be cowering in a corner fully armed cause the boogy man is going to get us.....I'm thinking pro-gun folks are the ones in fantasy land. Look at other civilized countries.....they don't have hand guns..and people aren't getting killed. DUH....
but you have to admit...guns just make it too damn easy...if we banned hand guns there would be less deaths.....
No there would not. Criminals would then be the only people (other than law enforcement) with firearms. Law abidding citizens would be sitting ducks and criminals would fear absolutely no one, other than Law Enforcement.
The gangs, petty criminals and thugs would run rampant.
You mean like in the UK when that maniac ran-amok and shot 6-8 people and the only thing they could defend themselves with was a clipboard and pen?
People aren't getting killed in other civilized countries? Is that so:rolleyes:
So now I know the reason behind the stats that say Yanks don't travel abroad. Don't feel tough or safe without your guns in hand. It all makes sense to me now.
So now I know the reason behind the stats that say Yanks don't travel abroad. Don't feel tough or safe without your guns in hand. It all makes sense to me now.
Good god.......we're not doing that whole "Yanks Don't Ever Travel To Other Countries" thing, again? Are we?
Last time I practically gave you a complete summary of my passports:D
Good god.......we're not doing that whole "Yanks Don't Ever Travel To Other Countries" thing, again? Are we?
Last time I practically gave you a complete summary of my passports:D
Not sure I have time to do that again:D
I forgot the winky face. After reading some posts about how much fire power some stiffs need to have, it got me thinking and well, as you read is what I thought.
As long as we're playing this game, here are a couple:
guns equal protection
guns equal freedom
Freedom?? Wow, there is a statement. Can't wait until you realize you are losing yours and you have to start using them on your own government. ha ha ha That will be a show!
indeed, look from which news this topic started...
Exactly. Sloganeering doesn't accomplish much. The issues are deeper. The person I quoted had a slogan based on some truth. Mine have truth behind them as well. But the issue is deeper than 3 word slogans.
Edit: rest of my post was somehow lost.
"I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
Freedom?? Wow, there is a statement. Can't wait until you realize you are losing yours and you have to start using them on your own government. ha ha ha That will be a show!
Well, that's why that right was granted to our citizenry in the first place. I suppose it is better than the alternative, which would be to roll over into a submissive position. Is that what you guys practice north of the border?
"I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
Well, that's why that right was granted to our citizenry in the first place. I suppose it is better than the alternative, which would be to roll over into a submissive position. Is that what you guys practice north of the border?
Why don't you inform me of the last time we were invaded? With that thing called history that you learn in school.
I forgot that we can't own guns up here. :rolleyes:
If you feel I wasted my first post because my beliefs differ from yours...too bad! I won't apologize because this forum wouldn't exist if everyone had the same beliefs. Also, I believe your beliefs are just as valued to you as mine are to me! Guns aren't the only things that help kill people. Should we ban knives of all sorts? Should we cut off the hands of battering partners? Should we stop manufacturing cars and revert back to horse and buggy? The point of my post was the problem is much too large for a "gun control" law. A more realistic solution has yet to be found.
wow.. for someone with Ghandi's quote as a signature isnt the irony of your pro-gun stance hitting you yet?
guns = manufactured solely for the killing of mammals, i.e. humans
knives = designed purely as a functional tool for hunting, cooking, cleaning, etc
hands = designed by the man who invented monkeys, historical acquisition
cars = designed to get us from one place to another pretty much quicker than the mode of transport that it supercedes
out of all of the above inventions/genetics... only the gun was designed with the sole use of killing humans... thats why its a pretty juvenile retort of saying "people get killed by cars, should we ban cars????" that kind of argument doesnt make sense as cars werent designed for this purpose...
also people dont get killed by cars if we follow the mantra of the NRA... its "cars dont kill people, people kill people"... :rolleyes:
"arsenic laced toast doesnt kill people, people kill people"
stupid argument isnt it?
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
Why don't you inform me of the last time we were invaded? With that thing called history that you learn in school.
I forgot that we can't own guns up here. :rolleyes:
We - the US - obviously wouldn't tolerate any agression in this hemisphere. I don't think countries are particularly afraid of the Canadian defense forces. It may have something to do with the big bully to the South of you watching your back. Surely you understand those geographic dynamics.
"I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
If you feel I wasted my first post because my beliefs differ from yours...too bad!.
i was only joking around... relax
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
we banned handguns in 1994... since that date deaths by firearms has more than halved... ergo, no handguns = less deaths
its simple maths, note that i used simple!! so simple that anyone should be able to work it out!
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
We - the US - obviously wouldn't tolerate any agression in this hemisphere..
realistically who is gonna attack you that you need all those guns... The Dominican Republic? El Salvador?
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
We - the US - obviously wouldn't tolerate any agression in this hemisphere. I don't think countries are particularly afraid of the Canadian defense forces. It may have something to do with the big bully to the South of you watching your back. Surely you understand those geographic dynamics.
realistically who is gonna attack you that you need all those guns... The Dominican Republic? El Salvador?
Protection from the Mexicans back in the day. They take things to heart a little more than the rest of us do. Then they figured that they can kill anybody they please with guns. So why get rid of them. Sleep with it under your pillow. And they try and say they aren't paranoid. Hell they were doing that before 911. Just a scared nation.
quite easily... that shows total number of homicides, thats deaths by all murders, killings, by ANY weapon.. not deaths by handguns only!!!!
you'll find it on that site somewhere, but deaths by handguns have halved...
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
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If you feel I wasted my first post because my beliefs differ from yours...too bad! I won't apologize because this forum wouldn't exist if everyone had the same beliefs. Also, I believe your beliefs are just as valued to you as mine are to me! Guns aren't the only things that help kill people. Should we ban knives of all sorts? Should we cut off the hands of battering partners? Should we stop manufacturing cars and revert back to horse and buggy? The point of my post was the problem is much too large for a "gun control" law. A more realistic solution has yet to be found.
but you have to admit...guns just make it too damn easy...if we banned hand guns there would be less deaths....there is no other solution....humans are animals..and will use the tools we have.
,,,.you didn't waste your first post...glad you joined in.
What's stupid is to believe criminals/murderers acquire firearms through legal channels.
Criminals commit firearm-related crimes with illegal weapons/firearms.
we never said murder will cease to exist...do you even read our posts....it will be a start...guns equal murders...the more guns..the more murders...the less guns..the less murders....we know the world isnt' perfect..yet we also know that we shouldn't be cowering in a corner fully armed cause the boogy man is going to get us.....I'm thinking pro-gun folks are the ones in fantasy land. Look at other civilized countries.....they don't have hand guns..and people aren't getting killed. DUH....
that they steal from legal gun owners...
No there would not. Criminals would then be the only people (other than law enforcement) with firearms. Law abidding citizens would be sitting ducks and criminals would fear absolutely no one, other than Law Enforcement.
The gangs, petty criminals and thugs would run rampant.
Yeah, that does happen. But more often than not, the guns they have are not stolen from legal gun owners. They are acquired by other means.
That's just your perception and vision.
The people who will be cowering are the law-abbiding citizens who would no longer have a firearm to protect themselves.
You mean like in the UK when that maniac ran-amok and shot 6-8 people and the only thing they could defend themselves with was a clipboard and pen?
People aren't getting killed in other civilized countries? Is that so:rolleyes:
So now I know the reason behind the stats that say Yanks don't travel abroad. Don't feel tough or safe without your guns in hand. It all makes sense to me now.
Good god.......we're not doing that whole "Yanks Don't Ever Travel To Other Countries" thing, again? Are we?
Last time I practically gave you a complete summary of my passports:D
Not sure I have time to do that again:D
I forgot the winky face. After reading some posts about how much fire power some stiffs need to have, it got me thinking and well, as you read is what I thought.
As long as we're playing this game, here are a couple:
guns equal protection
guns equal freedom
www.amnesty.org.uk
Freedom?? Wow, there is a statement. Can't wait until you realize you are losing yours and you have to start using them on your own government. ha ha ha That will be a show!
Exactly. Sloganeering doesn't accomplish much. The issues are deeper. The person I quoted had a slogan based on some truth. Mine have truth behind them as well. But the issue is deeper than 3 word slogans.
Edit: rest of my post was somehow lost.
Well, that's why that right was granted to our citizenry in the first place. I suppose it is better than the alternative, which would be to roll over into a submissive position. Is that what you guys practice north of the border?
Why don't you inform me of the last time we were invaded? With that thing called history that you learn in school.
I forgot that we can't own guns up here. :rolleyes:
it would be interesting to see what would have happened if his mind had told him to shoot kids and he didnt have a gun though...
wow.. for someone with Ghandi's quote as a signature isnt the irony of your pro-gun stance hitting you yet?
guns = manufactured solely for the killing of mammals, i.e. humans
knives = designed purely as a functional tool for hunting, cooking, cleaning, etc
hands = designed by the man who invented monkeys, historical acquisition
cars = designed to get us from one place to another pretty much quicker than the mode of transport that it supercedes
out of all of the above inventions/genetics... only the gun was designed with the sole use of killing humans... thats why its a pretty juvenile retort of saying "people get killed by cars, should we ban cars????" that kind of argument doesnt make sense as cars werent designed for this purpose...
also people dont get killed by cars if we follow the mantra of the NRA... its "cars dont kill people, people kill people"... :rolleyes:
"arsenic laced toast doesnt kill people, people kill people"
stupid argument isnt it?
We - the US - obviously wouldn't tolerate any agression in this hemisphere. I don't think countries are particularly afraid of the Canadian defense forces. It may have something to do with the big bully to the South of you watching your back. Surely you understand those geographic dynamics.
i was only joking around... relax
yes there would... read the thread!!!
we banned handguns in 1994... since that date deaths by firearms has more than halved... ergo, no handguns = less deaths
its simple maths, note that i used simple!! so simple that anyone should be able to work it out!
realistically who is gonna attack you that you need all those guns... The Dominican Republic? El Salvador?
http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Publications/2005/12/13133031/30323
No, I don't!
Protection from the Mexicans back in the day. They take things to heart a little more than the rest of us do. Then they figured that they can kill anybody they please with guns. So why get rid of them. Sleep with it under your pillow. And they try and say they aren't paranoid. Hell they were doing that before 911. Just a scared nation.
quite easily... that shows total number of homicides, thats deaths by all murders, killings, by ANY weapon.. not deaths by handguns only!!!!
you'll find it on that site somewhere, but deaths by handguns have halved...
Yeah, freedom from life! :rolleyes: