quite easily... that shows total number of homicides, thats deaths by all murders, killings, by ANY weapon.. not deaths by handguns only!!!!
you'll find it on that site somewhere, but deaths by handguns have halved...
But thats the point the pro-gun side is making, that murders do not necessarily decrease simply because guns are banned.
Here are homicide stats before 1995, which seem to indicate that murders have risen over time: http://www.scotland.gov.uk/library/documents-w3/his-t01.htm
Like, I was over in England. You ever been to England, anyone, been to England? No one has handguns in England, not even the cops. True or false? True. Now in England last year, they had fourteen deaths from handguns. FFFFFourteen. Now the United States, and I think you know how we feel about handguns - Woooo, I'm getting a warm tingly feeling just saying the fucking word, to be honest with you. I swear to you, I am hard.
Twenty-three thousand deaths from handguns.
Now let's go through those numbers again, because they're a little baffling at first glance. England, where no one has guns, fffffffourteen deaths. United States, and I think you know how we feel about guns - Woooo, I'm getting a stiffy - twenty-three thousand deaths from handguns. But there's no connection, and you'd be a fool and a Communist to make one. There's no connection between having a gun and shooting someone with it, and not having a gun and not shooting someone. There have been studies made and there is no connection at all there. Yes. That's absolute proof. You know, fourteen deaths from handguns. Probably American tourists, too.
(Angry tourist voice) You call this a sandwich? BANG! BANG! You don't boil pizza! BANG! BANG!
(Scared English voice) That's the way we eat here, that's the way we eat here! BANG!
(Tourist voice) This food sucks! BANG!"
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
Like, I was over in England. You ever been to England, anyone, been to England? No one has handguns in England, not even the cops. True or false? True. Now in England last year, they had fourteen deaths from handguns. FFFFFourteen. Now the United States, and I think you know how we feel about handguns - Woooo, I'm getting a warm tingly feeling just saying the fucking word, to be honest with you. I swear to you, I am hard.
Twenty-three thousand deaths from handguns.
Now let's go through those numbers again, because they're a little baffling at first glance. England, where no one has guns, fffffffourteen deaths. United States, and I think you know how we feel about guns - Woooo, I'm getting a stiffy - twenty-three thousand deaths from handguns. But there's no connection, and you'd be a fool and a Communist to make one. There's no connection between having a gun and shooting someone with it, and not having a gun and not shooting someone. There have been studies made and there is no connection at all there. Yes. That's absolute proof. You know, fourteen deaths from handguns. Probably American tourists, too.
(Angry tourist voice) You call this a sandwich? BANG! BANG! You don't boil pizza! BANG! BANG!
(Scared English voice) That's the way we eat here, that's the way we eat here! BANG!
(Tourist voice) This food sucks! BANG!"
it's not our fault man! in all our movies it seems pretty clear that the average person can take several bullets and still be capable of fighting off a dozen attackers at one time. so the problem is that you pussies dont get back up after we shoot you like chuck norris would.
But thats the point the pro-gun side is making, that murders do not necessarily decrease simply because guns are banned.
Here are homicide stats before 1995, which seem to indicate that murders have risen over time: http://www.scotland.gov.uk/library/documents-w3/his-t01.htm
you'll note that the dates go up to 1996... this was a crucial year for us.. a fuckhead with a gun went into a school in Scotland and shot 17 people in a school... since 1996 gun deaths have halved....
the total number of murders has stayed very level in those ten years, but we havent one instance in 10 years since 1996 where a kid has been shot by a handgun, in america its 14 per day or something ridiculous...
if junkies want to kill eavh other for drugs, money, cheese, whatevr... i couldnt give a fuck, but our gun controls have worked... the figures prove it!!! because the level of murders have stayed the same isnt in correlation!
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
Like, I was over in England. You ever been to England, anyone, been to England? No one has handguns in England, not even the cops. True or false? True. Now in England last year, they had fourteen deaths from handguns. FFFFFourteen. Now the United States, and I think you know how we feel about handguns - Woooo, I'm getting a warm tingly feeling just saying the fucking word, to be honest with you. I swear to you, I am hard.
Twenty-three thousand deaths from handguns.
Now let's go through those numbers again, because they're a little baffling at first glance. England, where no one has guns, fffffffourteen deaths. United States, and I think you know how we feel about guns - Woooo, I'm getting a stiffy - twenty-three thousand deaths from handguns. But there's no connection, and you'd be a fool and a Communist to make one. There's no connection between having a gun and shooting someone with it, and not having a gun and not shooting someone. There have been studies made and there is no connection at all there. Yes. That's absolute proof. You know, fourteen deaths from handguns. Probably American tourists, too.
(Angry tourist voice) You call this a sandwich? BANG! BANG! You don't boil pizza! BANG! BANG!
(Scared English voice) That's the way we eat here, that's the way we eat here! BANG!
(Tourist voice) This food sucks! BANG!"
Bill Hicks will never die
die on a hilltop.. eyeing the crows,
waiting for your lids to close..
but you want to watch as they peck your flesh..
Ironic that they go for the eyes first
What's stupid is to believe criminals/murderers acquire firearms through legal channels.
Criminals commit firearm-related crimes with illegal weapons/firearms.
Do they? Really? Are you absolutely positively sure about that? 100% of all firearm crimes in the USA are done with illegal firearms? Are you sure?
"I am a doughnut." (live - Berlin, Germany - 11/03/96)
"Behave like rock stars - not like the President." (live - Noblesville, IN - 8/17/98)
--Ed
"Yeah, I was gonna learn to play it (Breath) but somebody slipped me a bottle of viagra and was busy doing something else six times last night" (live - New York, NY - 9/10/98)
you'll note that the dates go up to 1996... this was a crucial year for us.. a fuckhead with a gun went into a school in Scotland and shot 17 people in a school... since 1996 gun deaths have halved....
the total number of murders has stayed very level in those ten years, but we havent one instance in 10 years since 1996 where a kid has been shot by a handgun, in america its 14 per day or something ridiculous...
if junkies want to kill eavh other for drugs, money, cheese, whatevr... i couldnt give a fuck, but our gun controls have worked... the figures prove it!!! because the level of murders have stayed the same isnt in correlation!
You have claimed that banning guns would reduce violence and use Scotland as an example. I am simply pointing out that the number of homicides in Scotland is greater now, after the gun ban.
Do they? Really? Are you absolutely positively sure about that? 100% of all firearm crimes in the USA are done with illegal firearms? Are you sure?
Oh you want to work in absolutes? Okay, let's work in absolutes.
First of all, we must address the real issue and that issue is Murder.
Not just murder by firearms, but murder of any kind. Because without firearms murders always have and will always continue to occur.
Second, we will require statistics and facts regarding comparative total populations, between the countries we are comparing with the United states Of America.
Let's look at those facts and statistics first, before assuming any absolutes, shall we?
You have claimed that banning guns would reduce violence and use Scotland as an example. I am simply pointing out that the number of homicides in Scotland is greater now, after the gun ban.
Facts are unimportant.
The whole point that law-abbiding citizens owning and utilizing firearms as protection and defense, against criminals; makes criminals less likely to attack, is lost. Criminals who live in a gunless society have no fear of potential victims fighting back and defending themselves. Makes their lives so much easier.
You have claimed that banning guns would reduce violence and use Scotland as an example. I am simply pointing out that the number of homicides in Scotland is greater now, after the gun ban.
Exactly. And the same is true in Canada, since the long gun registry was implemented.
Can one of your anti-gun folks please explain to me how and why you completely ignore the data on this issue? I mean, facts might convince you in another debate, but clearly not this one.
Do you believe that it was a "personal choice" of the family splattered on the road by a drunk driver? Sadly, they are dead by someone's unforced personal choice.
True, but the cause of their death was not alcohol but someone driving drunk.
Anyway the comparison between the two cannot be made.
You have claimed that banning guns would reduce violence and use Scotland as an example. I am simply pointing out that the number of homicides in Scotland is greater now, after the gun ban.
first off.. i claimed banning handguns would mean a reduction in the number of deaths caused by handguns.... and this is the case... Scotlands deaths by handguns has halved.. as did Australias, Canadas, Japans, etc!
also your second sentence is wholly erroneous... the homicides total isnt greater at all!!! go back to your first post where you gave me the scotland.gov figures http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Publications/2005/12/13133031/30323 ... you'll notice that in 1995/96 there were 134 deaths... fast forward to 2004/2005 and the figure is 134... so where exactly is the rise???
actually... the years between 96 and 2004 are always less than the 134 totals of both the dates given above... so in fact murder rates have always been lower up until last year!!!
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
Oh you want to work in absolutes? Okay, let's work in absolutes.
First of all, we must address the real issue and that issue is Murder.
Not just murder by firearms, but murder of any kind. Because without firearms murders always have and will always continue to occur.
Second, we will require statistics and facts regarding comparative total populations, between the countries we are comparing with the United states Of America.
Let's look at those facts and statistics first, before assuming any absolutes, shall we?
So what you're saying is that there is no point banning hand guns because people will still be murdered anyway????
Seems a strange way for a 'civilised' country to act.
"I am a doughnut." (live - Berlin, Germany - 11/03/96)
"Behave like rock stars - not like the President." (live - Noblesville, IN - 8/17/98)
--Ed
"Yeah, I was gonna learn to play it (Breath) but somebody slipped me a bottle of viagra and was busy doing something else six times last night" (live - New York, NY - 9/10/98)
Criminals who live in a gunless society have no fear of potential victims fighting back and defending themselves. Makes their lives so much easier.
ok we live in a gunless society and yet PER CAPITA our crime rates are lower than yours... we have less violent crime, muggings, rape, etc... PER CAPITA than your nation does... and yet you have all the guns and we dont???
kinda fucks up your point that revelation doesnt it!
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
So what you're saying is that there is no point banning hand guns because people will still be murdered anyway????
Seems a strange way for a 'civilised' country to act.
And, I'm not comparing any countries. Why is this even an issue? Guns are bad. That is the end of the story. The gun is a violent weapon, and being shot is a horribly violent way to die.
"I am a doughnut." (live - Berlin, Germany - 11/03/96)
"Behave like rock stars - not like the President." (live - Noblesville, IN - 8/17/98)
--Ed
"Yeah, I was gonna learn to play it (Breath) but somebody slipped me a bottle of viagra and was busy doing something else six times last night" (live - New York, NY - 9/10/98)
And, I'm not comparing any countries. Why is this even an issue? Guns are bad. That is the end of the story. The gun is a violent weapon, and being shot is a horribly violent way to die.
But if that WAS the end of the story, this thread would have died after the third or so post. Obviously not everyone agrees with your ardent anti-gun stance.
One way to stop all murders is to ban all freedoms. Better yet, lock everyone in their own individual cell, so they can't hurt anyone else.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Civilized countries also do not seek to curtail every possible freedom with ineffective legislation. you know, IMO.
No, they just seek to bomb the fuck out of countries that don't agree with them don't they?
"I am a doughnut." (live - Berlin, Germany - 11/03/96)
"Behave like rock stars - not like the President." (live - Noblesville, IN - 8/17/98)
--Ed
"Yeah, I was gonna learn to play it (Breath) but somebody slipped me a bottle of viagra and was busy doing something else six times last night" (live - New York, NY - 9/10/98)
you'll note that the dates go up to 1996... this was a crucial year for us.. a fuckhead with a gun went into a school in Scotland and shot 17 people in a school... since 1996 gun deaths have halved....
the total number of murders has stayed very level in those ten years, but we havent one instance in 10 years since 1996 where a kid has been shot by a handgun, in america its 14 per day or something ridiculous...
if junkies want to kill eavh other for drugs, money, cheese, whatevr... i couldnt give a fuck, but our gun controls have worked... the figures prove it!!! because the level of murders have stayed the same isnt in correlation!
I think the point being made is that banning handguns hasn't helped your homicide rate in any way. People are just reverting to other ways to kill each other. Handguns were never the problem.
“One good thing about music,
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
ok we live in a gunless society and yet PER CAPITA our crime rates are lower than yours... we have less violent crime, muggings, rape, etc... PER CAPITA than your nation does... and yet you have all the guns and we dont???
kinda fucks up your point that revelation doesnt it!
Murder has risen, even though guns have been banned.
You ban guns, of course gun-related homicide will decrease. But it certainly hasn't disappeared coompletely, has it? Afterall, some of you want to work in absolutes.
Ultimately, your murder rates has risen and as usual human behavior has shown that people will kill each other, no matter what.
Civilized Society? Who's civilized?
It would be great and I completely advocate having a civilized society! let me know when human beings progress enough to have one.
I think the point being made is that banning handguns hasn't helped your homicide rate in any way. People are just reverting to other ways to kill each other. Handguns were never the problem.
but you see... i'm fine with that.. i'm fine with the fact that someone else has picked up a hammer and smashed someones head in...
i've said all along in threads like this, that my main concern is kids under 14 years of age are being systematically murdered by the misuse of handguns...
the murder rate as a result of the banning of handguns in scotland has halved.... murder rates dropped from a 1996 total of 134 to a low of 93 in 1998...
have you not noticed how low these fugures are yet either.. we have a pop. of 5.2 million and yet we only have 134 murders in one year.... thats 1 dead person for every 38805 alive people... the US has a pop. of 300million and has on average 15,000 murders per year.. thats 1 dead person for 20000 alive people
twice as likely to be murdered in america
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
I've seen reports that in my city (London, Ontario) weapons caches have been found.
Basically it's some dudes' basements and in them they have weapons like AK47s, M249s, GE Miniguns, etc.. all of which are banned in Canada. The OPP has been fighting this losing battle for decades. You simply can't stop a criminal from getting a grenade or a rocket launcher.
I personally would like to own all of those things. Not to defend my family from intruders (I have a sword). But to defend my family from Governments. If my government ever turned on me I would fight back. Where I live was the main battle point of the U.S. invasion of 1812-1814 and when the U.S. tries another invasion of Canada, I want to be prepared. I know my government with the Canadian military will not be able to protect me. We may win the war, but the battle for London would be won by the U.S.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
The gun is a violent weapon, and being shot is a horribly violent way to die.
Is being shot a more violent way to go than being beaten to death or stabbed to death? I'd prefer none of the above, but if I had to choose, I know which I'd pick.
"I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
Like, I was over in England. You ever been to England, anyone, been to England? No one has handguns in England, not even the cops. True or false? True. Now in England last year, they had fourteen deaths from handguns. FFFFFourteen. Now the United States, and I think you know how we feel about handguns - Woooo, I'm getting a warm tingly feeling just saying the fucking word, to be honest with you. I swear to you, I am hard.
Twenty-three thousand deaths from handguns.
Now let's go through those numbers again, because they're a little baffling at first glance. England, where no one has guns, fffffffourteen deaths. United States, and I think you know how we feel about guns - Woooo, I'm getting a stiffy - twenty-three thousand deaths from handguns. But there's no connection, and you'd be a fool and a Communist to make one. There's no connection between having a gun and shooting someone with it, and not having a gun and not shooting someone. There have been studies made and there is no connection at all there. Yes. That's absolute proof. You know, fourteen deaths from handguns. Probably American tourists, too.
(Angry tourist voice) You call this a sandwich? BANG! BANG! You don't boil pizza! BANG! BANG!
(Scared English voice) That's the way we eat here, that's the way we eat here! BANG!
(Tourist voice) This food sucks! BANG!"
see the people on this board that are pro gun....can't comprehend your comments here.....you would think there would be no question and no argument....comparing 14 deaths in England to 23,000 in the US..but they won't read this...won't acknowledge it......but hey..they likely voted for Bush...."Twice".....so logic just doesn't come into play.
Now on boiling pizza..and those 14 deaths attributed to US tourists....I fell out of my chair laughing....PLEASE TELL ME THE ENGLISH DON"T Boil PIZZA!!!!!
but you see... i'm fine with that.. i'm fine with the fact that someone else has picked up a hammer and smashed someones head in...
i've said all along in threads like this, that my main concern is kids under 14 years of age are being systematically murdered by the misuse of handguns...
the murder rate as a result of the banning of handguns in scotland has halved.... murder rates dropped from a 1996 total of 134 to a low of 93 in 1998...
have you not noticed how low these fugures are yet either.. we have a pop. of 5.2 million and yet we only have 134 murders in one year.... thats 1 dead person for every 38805 alive people... the US has a pop. of 300million and has on average 15,000 murders per year.. thats 1 dead person for 20000 alive people
twice as likely to be murdered in america
I'd like to know where you are getting your information from. The information I cited before puts the annual figure around 12 deaths per year due to firearms.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Is being shot a more violent way to go than being beaten to death or stabbed to death? I'd prefer none of the above, but if I had to choose, I know which I'd pick.
..thats even worse...
silly point you make.....its easier for a punk pull a trigger than stab or beat you...that would take courage..and punks don't have courage...hence deaths would go down big time if we pulled the guns out of your cold dead hands. (-:
I've seen reports that in my city (London, Ontario) weapons caches have been found.
Basically it's some dudes' basements and in them they have weapons like AK47s, M249s, GE Miniguns, etc.. all of which are banned in Canada. The OPP has been fighting this losing battle for decades. You simply can't stop a criminal from getting a grenade or a rocket launcher.
I personally would like to own all of those things. Not to defend my family from intruders (I have a sword). But to defend my family from Governments. If my government ever turned on me I would fight back. Where I live was the main battle point of the U.S. invasion of 1812-1814 and when the U.S. tries another invasion of Canada, I want to be prepared. I know my government with the Canadian military will not be able to protect me. We may win the war, but the battle for London would be won by the U.S.
Why are you sooo paranoid...do you really think someone is out to get you??? Guess you don't travel abroad....chill...you'll live longer.....okay that was a joke....
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Here are homicide stats before 1995, which seem to indicate that murders have risen over time: http://www.scotland.gov.uk/library/documents-w3/his-t01.htm
Twenty-three thousand deaths from handguns.
Now let's go through those numbers again, because they're a little baffling at first glance. England, where no one has guns, fffffffourteen deaths. United States, and I think you know how we feel about guns - Woooo, I'm getting a stiffy - twenty-three thousand deaths from handguns. But there's no connection, and you'd be a fool and a Communist to make one. There's no connection between having a gun and shooting someone with it, and not having a gun and not shooting someone. There have been studies made and there is no connection at all there. Yes. That's absolute proof. You know, fourteen deaths from handguns. Probably American tourists, too.
(Angry tourist voice) You call this a sandwich? BANG! BANG! You don't boil pizza! BANG! BANG!
(Scared English voice) That's the way we eat here, that's the way we eat here! BANG!
(Tourist voice) This food sucks! BANG!"
it's not our fault man! in all our movies it seems pretty clear that the average person can take several bullets and still be capable of fighting off a dozen attackers at one time. so the problem is that you pussies dont get back up after we shoot you like chuck norris would.
you'll note that the dates go up to 1996... this was a crucial year for us.. a fuckhead with a gun went into a school in Scotland and shot 17 people in a school... since 1996 gun deaths have halved....
the total number of murders has stayed very level in those ten years, but we havent one instance in 10 years since 1996 where a kid has been shot by a handgun, in america its 14 per day or something ridiculous...
if junkies want to kill eavh other for drugs, money, cheese, whatevr... i couldnt give a fuck, but our gun controls have worked... the figures prove it!!! because the level of murders have stayed the same isnt in correlation!
Bill Hicks will never die
waiting for your lids to close..
but you want to watch as they peck your flesh..
Ironic that they go for the eyes first
Do they? Really? Are you absolutely positively sure about that? 100% of all firearm crimes in the USA are done with illegal firearms? Are you sure?
"Behave like rock stars - not like the President." (live - Noblesville, IN - 8/17/98)
--Ed
"Yeah, I was gonna learn to play it (Breath) but somebody slipped me a bottle of viagra and was busy doing something else six times last night" (live - New York, NY - 9/10/98)
--Ed
Oh you want to work in absolutes? Okay, let's work in absolutes.
First of all, we must address the real issue and that issue is Murder.
Not just murder by firearms, but murder of any kind. Because without firearms murders always have and will always continue to occur.
Second, we will require statistics and facts regarding comparative total populations, between the countries we are comparing with the United states Of America.
Let's look at those facts and statistics first, before assuming any absolutes, shall we?
Facts are unimportant.
The whole point that law-abbiding citizens owning and utilizing firearms as protection and defense, against criminals; makes criminals less likely to attack, is lost. Criminals who live in a gunless society have no fear of potential victims fighting back and defending themselves. Makes their lives so much easier.
Exactly. And the same is true in Canada, since the long gun registry was implemented.
Can one of your anti-gun folks please explain to me how and why you completely ignore the data on this issue? I mean, facts might convince you in another debate, but clearly not this one.
True, but the cause of their death was not alcohol but someone driving drunk.
Anyway the comparison between the two cannot be made.
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first off.. i claimed banning handguns would mean a reduction in the number of deaths caused by handguns.... and this is the case... Scotlands deaths by handguns has halved.. as did Australias, Canadas, Japans, etc!
also your second sentence is wholly erroneous... the homicides total isnt greater at all!!! go back to your first post where you gave me the scotland.gov figures http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Publications/2005/12/13133031/30323 ... you'll notice that in 1995/96 there were 134 deaths... fast forward to 2004/2005 and the figure is 134... so where exactly is the rise???
actually... the years between 96 and 2004 are always less than the 134 totals of both the dates given above... so in fact murder rates have always been lower up until last year!!!
So what you're saying is that there is no point banning hand guns because people will still be murdered anyway????
Seems a strange way for a 'civilised' country to act.
"Behave like rock stars - not like the President." (live - Noblesville, IN - 8/17/98)
--Ed
"Yeah, I was gonna learn to play it (Breath) but somebody slipped me a bottle of viagra and was busy doing something else six times last night" (live - New York, NY - 9/10/98)
--Ed
ok we live in a gunless society and yet PER CAPITA our crime rates are lower than yours... we have less violent crime, muggings, rape, etc... PER CAPITA than your nation does... and yet you have all the guns and we dont???
kinda fucks up your point that revelation doesnt it!
And, I'm not comparing any countries. Why is this even an issue? Guns are bad. That is the end of the story. The gun is a violent weapon, and being shot is a horribly violent way to die.
"Behave like rock stars - not like the President." (live - Noblesville, IN - 8/17/98)
--Ed
"Yeah, I was gonna learn to play it (Breath) but somebody slipped me a bottle of viagra and was busy doing something else six times last night" (live - New York, NY - 9/10/98)
--Ed
But if that WAS the end of the story, this thread would have died after the third or so post. Obviously not everyone agrees with your ardent anti-gun stance.
Civilized countries also do not seek to curtail every possible freedom with ineffective legislation. you know, IMO.
No, they just seek to bomb the fuck out of countries that don't agree with them don't they?
"Behave like rock stars - not like the President." (live - Noblesville, IN - 8/17/98)
--Ed
"Yeah, I was gonna learn to play it (Breath) but somebody slipped me a bottle of viagra and was busy doing something else six times last night" (live - New York, NY - 9/10/98)
--Ed
Here in Canada, we use geese for bomb runs.
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
Murder has risen, even though guns have been banned.
You ban guns, of course gun-related homicide will decrease. But it certainly hasn't disappeared coompletely, has it? Afterall, some of you want to work in absolutes.
Ultimately, your murder rates has risen and as usual human behavior has shown that people will kill each other, no matter what.
Civilized Society? Who's civilized?
It would be great and I completely advocate having a civilized society! let me know when human beings progress enough to have one.
but you see... i'm fine with that.. i'm fine with the fact that someone else has picked up a hammer and smashed someones head in...
i've said all along in threads like this, that my main concern is kids under 14 years of age are being systematically murdered by the misuse of handguns...
the murder rate as a result of the banning of handguns in scotland has halved.... murder rates dropped from a 1996 total of 134 to a low of 93 in 1998...
have you not noticed how low these fugures are yet either.. we have a pop. of 5.2 million and yet we only have 134 murders in one year.... thats 1 dead person for every 38805 alive people... the US has a pop. of 300million and has on average 15,000 murders per year.. thats 1 dead person for 20000 alive people
twice as likely to be murdered in america
Basically it's some dudes' basements and in them they have weapons like AK47s, M249s, GE Miniguns, etc.. all of which are banned in Canada. The OPP has been fighting this losing battle for decades. You simply can't stop a criminal from getting a grenade or a rocket launcher.
I personally would like to own all of those things. Not to defend my family from intruders (I have a sword). But to defend my family from Governments. If my government ever turned on me I would fight back. Where I live was the main battle point of the U.S. invasion of 1812-1814 and when the U.S. tries another invasion of Canada, I want to be prepared. I know my government with the Canadian military will not be able to protect me. We may win the war, but the battle for London would be won by the U.S.
Is being shot a more violent way to go than being beaten to death or stabbed to death? I'd prefer none of the above, but if I had to choose, I know which I'd pick.
see the people on this board that are pro gun....can't comprehend your comments here.....you would think there would be no question and no argument....comparing 14 deaths in England to 23,000 in the US..but they won't read this...won't acknowledge it......but hey..they likely voted for Bush...."Twice".....so logic just doesn't come into play.
Now on boiling pizza..and those 14 deaths attributed to US tourists....I fell out of my chair laughing....PLEASE TELL ME THE ENGLISH DON"T Boil PIZZA!!!!!
I'd like to know where you are getting your information from. The information I cited before puts the annual figure around 12 deaths per year due to firearms.
silly point you make.....its easier for a punk pull a trigger than stab or beat you...that would take courage..and punks don't have courage...hence deaths would go down big time if we pulled the guns out of your cold dead hands. (-: