ANOTHER High School shooting

Ahnimus

dunkman1974 wrote:

also i meant to say as good as your post is i'm more impressed with the actual use of bullet points... i've never seen them on this forum before :cool:

Hehe, I have the ASCII code for bullet points memorized

ALT+0149

callen

reborncareerist wrote:

As this thread so amply demonstrates, knee-jerking will never go away. Emotional reasoning is human nature, I am afraid.

And callen, take a look in the mirror. The "scared white person" is you. I don't know why you even made that remark. Inane ... I've said my piece, people aren't listening. Mission accomplished. I'll leave you to what has become a pretty fruitless discussion.

just my personal observations and the reasonings my family and freinds use to "protect" themselves.....now for me...I'm not scared...but indeed white..hence no "need" to protect myself from the boogy man.

bringing up eliminating guns isn't a "knee jerk" reaction...its the only way we'll make progress....

rebornFixer

callen wrote:

just my personal observations and the reasonings my family and freinds use to "protect" themselves.....now for me...I'm not scared...but indeed white..hence no "need" to protect myself from the boogy man.

bringing up eliminating guns isn't a "knee jerk" reaction...its the only way we'll make progress....

Aw, heck ... I don't think you're terrible or anything. I just get worked up by these gun debates because everyone (myself included) gets so close-minded. I don't know why a school shooting post always devolves into that. We never discuss other causes of the problem. Why can't we ever discuss mental health policy on here? I start a topic, but no one gives a shit. Its frustrating.

Anyhow ... No offense meant to you or dunk.

Collin

Guns create a distance, you may say there are other ways to kill, which is true, but with a gun it's fairly easy.


Anyway, I'm not for a total gun ban but for a very very strict law. Guns are a problem in your country and if you happen to love guns, you of all people should be prepared to take extra efforts or shouldn't complain that it would, for instance, take you 6 months to get a gun...

Instead of a war on drugs, a war on illegal guns, on people who sell them illegally...

Guns are made for killing.

rebornFixer

Collin wrote:

Guns create a distance, you may say there are other ways to kill, which is true, but with a gun it's fairly easy.


Anyway, I'm not for a total gun ban but for a very very strict law. Guns are a problem in your country and if you happen to love guns, you of all people should be prepared to take extra efforts or shouldn't complain that it would, for instance, take you 6 months to get a gun...

Instead of a war on drugs, a war on illegal guns, on people who sell them illegally...

Guns are made for killing.

I am not complaining about existing laws (with one exception, the long run registry in Canada). I am arguing against a total ban.

Ahnimus

Collin wrote:

Guns create a distance, you may say there are other ways to kill, which is true, but with a gun it's fairly easy.


Anyway, I'm not for a total gun ban but for a very very strict law. Guns are a problem in your country and if you happen to love guns, you of all people should be prepared to take extra efforts or shouldn't complain that it would, for instance, take you 6 months to get a gun...

Instead of a war on drugs, a war on illegal guns, on people who sell them illegally...

Guns are made for killing.

If you get a sample of blood that shares the same blood type as your victim. Get some horse shit, boil the shit and remove any stuff like grass from it. Mix the shit in with the blood and either inject someone with it or tip a dart with it. You can give someone tetanus which unless they've been vaccinated will die about 2 weeks later with absolutely no trace.

Alternatively you could just hit someone with your car. I mean if you didn't take the time to plan it out, because maybe you were just mad and wanted to kill them. You could beat em up until they are dead. Set their house on fire. There are a lot of ways to kill some one. From a distance you could use a bow and arrow, a nail gun, a molotov cocktail, a stick of dynomite or an IED.

Collin

reborncareerist wrote:

I am not complaining about existing laws (with one exception, the long run registry in Canada). I am arguing against a total ban.

I just don't get why the US goverment isn't doing anything. Well I do get it, because they're morons, imo.

I could sum up hundreds of reasons why I am against guns, but I have no problem with responsible adults who own guns (to hunt or shooting range).

I do think owning a gun to protect your family is one of the most ridiculous things I've heard.

And sorry for my incoherent posts...

Collin

Ahnimus wrote:

If you get a sample of blood that shares the same blood type as your victim. Get some horse shit, boil the shit and remove any stuff like grass from it. Mix the shit in with the blood and either inject someone with it or tip a dart with it. You can give someone tetanus which unless they've been vaccinated will die about 2 weeks later with absolutely no trace.

Alternatively you could just hit someone with your car. I mean if you didn't take the time to plan it out, because maybe you were just mad and wanted to kill them. You could beat em up until they are dead. Set their house on fire. There are a lot of ways to kill some one. From a distance you could use a bow and arrow, a nail gun, a molotov cocktail, a stick of dynomite or an IED.

Yes, of course but most of us don't live in a Columbo episode...

norm

hippiemom wrote:

Come on, guys ... I'm not for a total ban on guns, but you have to admit that the Europeans have a point here.

Could this guy have stormed into the room with a baseball bat? Sure. Is it likely that 30 healthy teenagers could be easily subdued by one guy with a bat? No. They'd have likely overpowered him and bashed his head in.

You're also ignoring that guns make things so easy. Stabbing someone to death is a very personal act ... you need to get right up in their face, there's likely to be a struggle, you have to be strong. Same thing with bludgeoning someone to death. A guy like this likely doesn't have the balls for that sort of thing. He can be a tough guy with a gun in his hand because he doesn't even have to come into physical contact with his victims. If they make one threatening move, bang, they're dead. So yeah, theoretically he could stab them to death, but as a practical matter he'd never do it.

Another thing to consider is that there aren't a lot of accidental knifings. Gang members and drug dealers are always going to kill each other, but without guns at least they wouldn't accidentally kill some kid riding past on his bike while they're doing it.

Having said all that, I don't think it's possible to ban guns in the U.S. First, there's the constitution to be dealt with, and repealing the second amendment is simply not going to happen. Second, there are just too many of them out there, millions and millions. If you ban them, all the law-abiding citizens will turn in their guns and then we'll have a heavily armed criminal class (who obviously would NOT turn in their guns) that knows almost no one will be able to defend themselves.

I do support tightened restrictions and waiting periods. Dunky, you asked earlier if it was possible that the guy could have just bought the gun this morning. I don't know what the laws are in Colorado, but in Ohio he certainly could have. All that's required is for the gun dealer to call the FBI for a quick background check, which you will pass as long as you're not a felon and don't have a psychiatric history. You can be out the door with guns and ammo in about 10 minutes.

Ditto.

rebornFixer

Hippiemom made some good points, but about the knifings ... I agree that stabbing someone to death isn't easy, per se (unless you're a psychopath). But deaths by stabbing are by no means rare. In fact, in the hospital I volunteered at in my home town, we almost never saw gunshots wounds ... We did see tons of stab wounds, though, and a few people died in the ER. Maybe in a large American city you would see more gunshot wounds, granted.
But not in all areas.

Collin

reborncareerist wrote:

Hippiemom made some good points, but about the knifings ... I agree that stabbing someone to death isn't easy, per se (unless you're a psychopath). But deaths by stabbing are by no means rare. In fact, in the hospital I volunteered at in my home town, we almost never saw gunshots wounds ... We did see tons of stab wounds, though, and a few people died in the ER. Maybe in a large American city you would see more gunshot wounds, granted.
But not in all areas.

I know there are many guys who wouldn't be able to stab me (unless they do it from behind), but anyone can shoot me.
Stab someone 15 times and he can survive, shoot someone 15 times, well...

Anyway, hippiemom also points out that no innocent bystanders would be stabbed... which is a good point.

I can't form a decent sentense anymore, see you tomorrow people...

don't shoot anyone;)

rebornFixer

Collin wrote:

Anyway, hippiemom also points out that no innocent bystanders would be stabbed... which is a good point.

True, but then again, not too many innocent bystanders in gangland shootings are shot with legal firearms either. Like she pointed out, criminals will be the only people to have guns, should guns be banned. This statement has become this cheesy NRA rallying cry, but its true.

Low_Light03

RIP Emily Keyes.

Horrible news.


Those undecided Needn't have faith to be free
And those misguided, There was a plan for them to be
Now you got both sides Claiming killing in Gods name
But God is nowhere To be found, conveniently

therover

hippiemom wrote:

I do support tightened restrictions and waiting periods. Dunky, you asked earlier if it was possible that the guy could have just bought the gun this morning. I don't know what the laws are in Colorado, but in Ohio he certainly could have. All that's required is for the gun dealer to call the FBI for a quick background check, which you will pass as long as you're not a felon and don't have a psychiatric history. You can be out the door with guns and ammo in about 10 minutes.

Wow, that's unbelievable. In North Carolina you first have to get a permit from the sheriff's office. That takes five days and you need to have 3 reference letters concerning your character. Then at the gun shop you turn in your permit and then wait 7 days for background check and the mental check (which I thought was a federal law; Brady Bill?)

Ahnimus

I want to own a USP, a Tactical Machine Pistol, a Benelli M4 Super 90 and a Colt Carbine M4A1 for starters...

But I don't want to kill anyone, I just want to have that shit cause it's cool.

I wouldn't even care if they are replicas as long as they don't have that stupid orange tip.

Sadly I cannot even own realistic replicas in Canada.

miller8966

hippiemom wrote:

Well there you have it, folks .... our resident philosopher genius has spoken, I guess we can all move along now.

ooo cause your opinion matters so much........

miller8966

Thats why i love this country, because i have the right to own a gun and no hippie activist can take it out of our hands..nor will they ever be able too!

Its my 2nd amendement right and i love it

NMyTree

People of the anti-gun crowd will never understand.

They live in an idealistic fantasy world in their mind, which tells them that if all firearms were abolished from being legally owned and carried; then no one would ever shoot each other , again. They think murder would cease to exist.

Unfortunately, the real world and human behavior clearly dictates that this country would be a much more dangerous place, if this were ever to happen.

FreeMind

americans have always had guns as with many other countries, although i do not condone violence i would protect my family with a gun if necessary (i have to admit i would probably aim for a non-fatal area)...people kill people, not guns...the problem is much larger than a simple fix of a gun control law taking away the guns of honest citizens who would abide...do you really think criminals are going to say "oh geez i need to turn my gun in, it isn't registered, i'm not allowed to have it" it is similar to alcohol (by the way i enjoy my rum and wine just as much as the next) alcohol kills thousands directly and indirectly every year...are we also "fuckheads" because we allow people to drink?

Collin

NMyTree wrote:

People of the anti-gun crowd will never understand.

They live in an idealistic fantasy world in their mind, which tells them that if all firearms were abolished from being legally owned and carried; then no one would ever shoot each other , again. They think murder would cease to exist.

Unfortunately, the real world and human behavior clearly dictates that this country would be a much more dangerous place, if this were ever to happen.

Oh please.

The anti-gun crowd thinks, if there are less guns or if guns are harder to get there will be less deaths by guns.
No one thinks murder would cease to exist. I do think however if you cannot own a gun legally, children of law abiding citizens wouldn't be able to shoot themselves in the face because they wouldn't have access to a gun...

The real problem is the pro-gun people, not the anti-gun people, they are afraid that tightened restrictions, waiting periods and other measures would somehow mean restrictions on their freedoms, which is of course ridiculous.