All I am saying is that the problem is with the man, not the weapon. Saying this was the guns fault is like saying Ozzy Osborne’s music caused some kid to off himself. Or a video game was to blame for any other heinous act by a human being.
Get the all rioting fucks off your streets and then tell people over here on this continent what to do.
first off, you are in cananda... and you obviously realise the guns are coming in from the states... yet you still think that the americans should have them???
as for the quote above... what you fucking on about man??
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
All I am saying is that the problem is with the man, not the weapon. Saying this was the guns fault is like saying Ozzy Osborne’s music caused some kid to off himself. Or a video game was to blame for any other heinous act by a human being.
Those of you who think guns are to blame are jaded...it's exactly what this guy said...The guy is to blame, not the gun...you can hold someone hostage with a knife, it's been done before!
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'If my fuckin' ex-wife told me to take care of her dog while her and her new boyfriend went to Honolulu, I'd tell her to go fuck herself." -The Dude
first off, you are in cananda... and you obviously realise the guns are coming in from the states... yet you still think that the americans should have them???
as for the quote above... what you fucking on about man??
Sorry ... The generalizations in this thread are annoying. Americans do this and Americans do that ... Yes, I think LAW-ABIDING people should have a right to own a firearm for non-criminal purposes. Apparently this means I am ignorant and backward.
Those of you who think guns are to blame are jaded...it's exactly what this guy said...The guy is to blame, not the gun...you can hold someone hostage with a knife, it's been done before!
Well he wouldn't have shot the girl without a gun would he? Lol.
"I am a doughnut." (live - Berlin, Germany - 11/03/96)
"Behave like rock stars - not like the President." (live - Noblesville, IN - 8/17/98)
--Ed
"Yeah, I was gonna learn to play it (Breath) but somebody slipped me a bottle of viagra and was busy doing something else six times last night" (live - New York, NY - 9/10/98)
Sorry ... The generalizations in this thread are annoying. Americans do this and Americans do that ... Yes, I think LAW-ABIDING people should have a right to own a firearm for non-criminal purposes. Apparently this means I am ignorant and backward.
For all you know this guy was a law abiding citizen before he went on the rampage.
"I am a doughnut." (live - Berlin, Germany - 11/03/96)
"Behave like rock stars - not like the President." (live - Noblesville, IN - 8/17/98)
--Ed
"Yeah, I was gonna learn to play it (Breath) but somebody slipped me a bottle of viagra and was busy doing something else six times last night" (live - New York, NY - 9/10/98)
All I am saying is that the problem is with the man, not the weapon. Saying this was the guns fault is like saying Ozzy Osborne’s music caused some kid to off himself. Or a video game was to blame for any other heinous act by a human being.
imagine if we all had access to a nuclear weapon.. and one day some mental fucker used his and blew up Iceland (sorry Iceland.. random!!) of course it would be the mentalists fault he killed all those people... now imagine the same scenario where no-one has access to a nuclear weapon... one day a mental fucker blews up nothing... he's still a mental fucker but all he days now is wank all day and stick penguins up his arse..
take away the gun and you still have a mad mental dude... but he might only kill himself or a dog or something... i doubt he would attack a whole school using a water pistol... not really the same carnage is it!
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
You do realize that the majority of murders my country are actually done WITHOUT firearms?
Majority? Please provide figures to back that up. It doesn't matter anyway, one innocent kid being shot is too many, I can't believe you're justifying it.
"I am a doughnut." (live - Berlin, Germany - 11/03/96)
"Behave like rock stars - not like the President." (live - Noblesville, IN - 8/17/98)
--Ed
"Yeah, I was gonna learn to play it (Breath) but somebody slipped me a bottle of viagra and was busy doing something else six times last night" (live - New York, NY - 9/10/98)
And for all you know, this guy would have killed one or more people even without a gun.
So your argument is keep the gun because people will kill each other anyway?
"I am a doughnut." (live - Berlin, Germany - 11/03/96)
"Behave like rock stars - not like the President." (live - Noblesville, IN - 8/17/98)
--Ed
"Yeah, I was gonna learn to play it (Breath) but somebody slipped me a bottle of viagra and was busy doing something else six times last night" (live - New York, NY - 9/10/98)
Majority? Please provide figures to back that up. It doesn't matter anyway, one innocent kid being shot is too many, I can't believe you're justifying it.
And I can't believe that you actually think that guns magically transform people into killers.
Those of you who think guns are to blame are jaded...it's exactly what this guy said...The guy is to blame, not the gun...you can hold someone hostage with a knife, it's been done before!
of course the guy is to blame... he pulled the trigger!!! take away the trigger and the guy would have been shouting BANG!!! and that girl would just have a sore ear rather than be dead!!!
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
Yes, its by someone who obviously disagrees with our gun registry (with good reason). You can dismiss it as a biased source, but the part about murder stats is accurate.
DUnkman and push' arguments are severly flawed...no reason to argue with illogical people
wheres the flaw? where's the non-logic of my points?
since 1994 as a result of the Dunblane massacre in Scotland handguns were banned here in the UK... in the ten years since this law was passed gun-related deaths have halved!
at least i can argue and back up my arguments with fact and reasoned logic.. you continue to spew forth arrogant jibes that dont even begin to permeate my resolve on this issue... you are verbally redundant
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
wheres the flaw? where's the non-logic of my points?
since 1994 as a result of the Dunblane massacre in Scotland handguns were banned here in the UK... in the ten years since this law was passed gun-related deaths have halved!
at least i can argue and back up my arguments with fact and reasoned logic.. you continue to spew forth arrogant jibes that dont even begin to permeate my resolve on this issue... you are verbally redundant
Maybe so, but I have stats that show that restrictive gun laws don't work, at least here.
This suggests that the story is deeper than just more laws, no?
This suggests that the story is deeper than just more laws, no?
and thats maybe so... but gun control is an experiment worth trying... just to see if its the gun laws or not
if it saves even one kids life then i'm all the happier for that
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
and thats maybe so... but gun control is an experiment worth trying... just to see if its the gun laws or not
if it saves even one kids life then i'm all the happier for that
Some guns, like safe storage, do work to save lives. Others do not. I don't know about the U.S., but here, making laws more restrictive doesn't do anything. In fact, handgun murders in cities like Toronto have soared since our rifle/shotgun registry was implemented (yes, exactly ... Registering hunting rifles isn't going to affect deaths by illegal handgun. Someone tell our Liberal party politicians the news).
imagine if we all had access to a nuclear weapon.. and one day some mental fucker used his and blew up Iceland (sorry Iceland.. random!!) of course it would be the mentalists fault he killed all those people... now imagine the same scenario where no-one has access to a nuclear weapon... one day a mental fucker blews up nothing... he's still a mental fucker but all he days now is wank all day and stick penguins up his arse..
take away the gun and you still have a mad mental dude... but he might only kill himself or a dog or something... i doubt he would attack a whole school using a water pistol... not really the same carnage is it!
You are comparing WMD with hand guns or shot guns. Completely different...and in this country, that is why we have restrictions on what arms you can bear.
This mental fucker could have stormed in using baseball bats and still taken the girls hostage and still sexuall assulted them....and still killed them.
Now, don't get me wrong....if guns never existed at all....then there would be no need for them. However, it is much too late for that. You outlaw guns now, and only the outlaws would have them. What have we solved? Nothing.
But even if they never existed, it is man kinds way to create tools to ease our lives and we would have eventually created them. So, they are here to stay. Like or hate them.
I am all for our right to bear arms. I like to shoot guns at target practice up in the woods with a few friends. Good damn times to be had by all!! However, I do not own a gun (not against it, just never have)...nor do i feel like I have ever "needed" a gun.
Maybe so, but I have stats that show that restrictive gun laws don't work, at least here.
This suggests that the story is deeper than just more laws, no?
I wanna see stats on how in America we restricted gun ownership and the level of violence didn't go down. You said "here" so I'm assuming you mean the US..not some very small geographical area..like NYC.
Ban all handguns...give everyone 6 mos to turn them in...even reimburse folks certain amount....then after that if your caught with a handgun its a felony with mandatory 5 years in jail. Problem solved. Think crime wouldn't start trending down??? Will take a while..no doubt...but will work.
I wanna see stats on how in America we restricted gun ownership and the level of violence didn't go down. You said "here" so I'm assuming you mean the US..not some very small geographical area..like NYC.
Ban all handguns...give everyone 6 mos to turn them in...even reimburse folks certain amount....then after that if your caught with a handgun its a felony with mandatory 5 years in jail. Problem solved. Think crime wouldn't start trending down??? Will take a while..no doubt...but will work.
You're just saying the same thing everyone else is saying. More laws = fewer murders. Prove it, its not too much to ask!
By "here", I meant Canada, and I've already posted a link to the relevent stats.
according to dunkman when we get rid of guns we will have no one dying.....because you know before the invention fo the gun no one ever died.
Lol thank god in america we are allowed to keep our guns!
now unless you want to contribute something worthwhile get the fuck out of the thread and join the 15 year olds on the "what was Eddies best haircut" thread on the Porch
3 poor posts of inept sarcasm and thats about it... I've defecated better 'arguments' than you have posted on this thread...
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
You are comparing WMD with hand guns or shot guns. Completely different...and in this country, that is why we have restrictions on what arms you can bear..
We don't have restrictions on arms....hand guns or shotguns...the more the better...sarcasm here by the way.
This mental fucker could have stormed in using baseball bats and still taken the girls hostage and still sexuall assulted them....and still killed them...
yea..right....the kids would have started running..and using this specific case..he wouldn't have had the time to do what he planned without a gun and the police would have stopped him as soon as they arrived.
Now, don't get me wrong....if guns never existed at all....then there would be no need for them. However, it is much too late for that. You outlaw guns now, and only the outlaws would have them. What have we solved? Nothing.
This is such a week argument.....we have to start sometime...obviously with our murder rate...we need to do something different. This is the same scare tactic the Bush boys use...hmmm coincidence..think not..why are soo many people so freakin scared...
But even if they never existed, it is man kinds way to create tools to ease our lives and we would have eventually created them. So, they are here to stay. Like or hate them..
Seems like other western country's don't have this problem.....and guns have been introduced to all country's...difference...its legal here.
I am all for our right to bear arms. I like to shoot guns at target practice up in the woods with a few friends. Good damn times to be had by all!! However, I do not own a gun (not against it, just never have)...nor do i feel like I have ever "needed" a gun.
Shooting guns is boring as shit...can think of a million things that are more fun and exciting....and the death that guns bring our society, loosing this recreational aspect of guns is a small price to pay to get rid of them.
Shooting guns is boring as shit...can think of a million things that are more fun and exciting....and the death that guns bring our society is a small price to pay to get rid of them.
What's one of your hobbies? Chances are, someone else will think its boring as shit.
Damn, when will this senseless violence stop in our schools???
Probably when war stops. You see, war causes domestic unrest. If you study up on many of the mass murderers in history, they were mostly all during war-times.
Is this guy a muslim or an arab for the sake of the running terrorist theme?
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
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first off, you are in cananda... and you obviously realise the guns are coming in from the states... yet you still think that the americans should have them???
as for the quote above... what you fucking on about man??
Those of you who think guns are to blame are jaded...it's exactly what this guy said...The guy is to blame, not the gun...you can hold someone hostage with a knife, it's been done before!
'If my fuckin' ex-wife told me to take care of her dog while her and her new boyfriend went to Honolulu, I'd tell her to go fuck herself." -The Dude
Whisky Drinker, Non-Hunter from Denver.
Sorry ... The generalizations in this thread are annoying. Americans do this and Americans do that ... Yes, I think LAW-ABIDING people should have a right to own a firearm for non-criminal purposes. Apparently this means I am ignorant and backward.
Well he wouldn't have shot the girl without a gun would he? Lol.
"Behave like rock stars - not like the President." (live - Noblesville, IN - 8/17/98)
--Ed
"Yeah, I was gonna learn to play it (Breath) but somebody slipped me a bottle of viagra and was busy doing something else six times last night" (live - New York, NY - 9/10/98)
--Ed
For all you know this guy was a law abiding citizen before he went on the rampage.
"Behave like rock stars - not like the President." (live - Noblesville, IN - 8/17/98)
--Ed
"Yeah, I was gonna learn to play it (Breath) but somebody slipped me a bottle of viagra and was busy doing something else six times last night" (live - New York, NY - 9/10/98)
--Ed
You do realize that the majority of murders my country are actually done WITHOUT firearms?
imagine if we all had access to a nuclear weapon.. and one day some mental fucker used his and blew up Iceland (sorry Iceland.. random!!) of course it would be the mentalists fault he killed all those people... now imagine the same scenario where no-one has access to a nuclear weapon... one day a mental fucker blews up nothing... he's still a mental fucker but all he days now is wank all day and stick penguins up his arse..
take away the gun and you still have a mad mental dude... but he might only kill himself or a dog or something... i doubt he would attack a whole school using a water pistol... not really the same carnage is it!
Lol thank god in america we are allowed to keep our guns!
And for all you know, this guy would have killed one or more people even without a gun.
Majority? Please provide figures to back that up. It doesn't matter anyway, one innocent kid being shot is too many, I can't believe you're justifying it.
"Behave like rock stars - not like the President." (live - Noblesville, IN - 8/17/98)
--Ed
"Yeah, I was gonna learn to play it (Breath) but somebody slipped me a bottle of viagra and was busy doing something else six times last night" (live - New York, NY - 9/10/98)
--Ed
So your argument is keep the gun because people will kill each other anyway?
"Behave like rock stars - not like the President." (live - Noblesville, IN - 8/17/98)
--Ed
"Yeah, I was gonna learn to play it (Breath) but somebody slipped me a bottle of viagra and was busy doing something else six times last night" (live - New York, NY - 9/10/98)
--Ed
And I can't believe that you actually think that guns magically transform people into killers.
Go to the Stats Canada website. I think its http://www.statscanada.ca
of course the guy is to blame... he pulled the trigger!!! take away the trigger and the guy would have been shouting BANG!!! and that girl would just have a sore ear rather than be dead!!!
Go here if you're having trouble there:
http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/Faq/ctg.html
Yes, its by someone who obviously disagrees with our gun registry (with good reason). You can dismiss it as a biased source, but the part about murder stats is accurate.
wheres the flaw? where's the non-logic of my points?
since 1994 as a result of the Dunblane massacre in Scotland handguns were banned here in the UK... in the ten years since this law was passed gun-related deaths have halved!
at least i can argue and back up my arguments with fact and reasoned logic.. you continue to spew forth arrogant jibes that dont even begin to permeate my resolve on this issue... you are verbally redundant
Maybe so, but I have stats that show that restrictive gun laws don't work, at least here.
This suggests that the story is deeper than just more laws, no?
and thats maybe so... but gun control is an experiment worth trying... just to see if its the gun laws or not
if it saves even one kids life then i'm all the happier for that
Some guns, like safe storage, do work to save lives. Others do not. I don't know about the U.S., but here, making laws more restrictive doesn't do anything. In fact, handgun murders in cities like Toronto have soared since our rifle/shotgun registry was implemented (yes, exactly ... Registering hunting rifles isn't going to affect deaths by illegal handgun. Someone tell our Liberal party politicians the news).
This mental fucker could have stormed in using baseball bats and still taken the girls hostage and still sexuall assulted them....and still killed them.
Now, don't get me wrong....if guns never existed at all....then there would be no need for them. However, it is much too late for that. You outlaw guns now, and only the outlaws would have them. What have we solved? Nothing.
But even if they never existed, it is man kinds way to create tools to ease our lives and we would have eventually created them. So, they are here to stay. Like or hate them.
I am all for our right to bear arms. I like to shoot guns at target practice up in the woods with a few friends. Good damn times to be had by all!! However, I do not own a gun (not against it, just never have)...nor do i feel like I have ever "needed" a gun.
I wanna see stats on how in America we restricted gun ownership and the level of violence didn't go down. You said "here" so I'm assuming you mean the US..not some very small geographical area..like NYC.
Ban all handguns...give everyone 6 mos to turn them in...even reimburse folks certain amount....then after that if your caught with a handgun its a felony with mandatory 5 years in jail. Problem solved. Think crime wouldn't start trending down??? Will take a while..no doubt...but will work.
You're just saying the same thing everyone else is saying. More laws = fewer murders. Prove it, its not too much to ask!
By "here", I meant Canada, and I've already posted a link to the relevent stats.
really.... and what have you had to say in this entire thread
now unless you want to contribute something worthwhile get the fuck out of the thread and join the 15 year olds on the "what was Eddies best haircut" thread on the Porch
3 poor posts of inept sarcasm and thats about it... I've defecated better 'arguments' than you have posted on this thread...
Shooting guns is boring as shit...can think of a million things that are more fun and exciting....and the death that guns bring our society, loosing this recreational aspect of guns is a small price to pay to get rid of them.
What's one of your hobbies? Chances are, someone else will think its boring as shit.
Probably when war stops. You see, war causes domestic unrest. If you study up on many of the mass murderers in history, they were mostly all during war-times.
Is this guy a muslim or an arab for the sake of the running terrorist theme?