“An illegal arrest is an assault and battery. The person so attempted to be restrained of his liberty has the same right to use force in defending himself as he would in repelling any other assault and battery.” (State v. Robinson, 145 ME. 77, 72 ATL. 260
“Each person has the right to resist an unlawful arrest. In such a case, the person attempting the arrest stands in the position of a wrongdoer and may be resisted by the use of force, as in self- defense.” (State v. Mobley, 240 N.C. 476, 83 S.E. 2d 100).
you do remember that a senator and someone that ran for the presidency was speaking, right? should they carry spitwads instead of weapons?
And point guns at peoples heads for asking questions thy don't like?
yeah....right...screw head #2 pointed a gun point blank at his head in under 10 seconds...insane... America is fucked
have some more kool-aid
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
“One may come to the aid of another being unlawfully arrested, just as he may where one is being assaulted, molested, raped or kidnapped. Thus it is not an offense to liberate one from the unlawful custody of an officer, even though he may have submitted to such custody, without resistance.” (Adams v. State, 121 Ga. 16, 48 S.E. 910).
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
“One may come to the aid of another being unlawfully arrested, just as he may where one is being assaulted, molested, raped or kidnapped. Thus it is not an offense to liberate one from the unlawful custody of an officer, even though he may have submitted to such custody, without resistance.” (Adams v. State, 121 Ga. 16, 48 S.E. 910).
probably wouldnt stop you from getting your skull crushed though
And point guns at peoples heads for asking questions thy don't like?
yeah....right...screw head #2 pointed a gun point blank at his head in under 10 seconds...insane... America is fucked
have some more kool-aid
oh, go fuck yourself with the parroting of the kool-aid statement. here's what you said:
"...armed policemen stationed a few feet from the microphone is bloody fascism right there.
Man I tell ya people are getting blind these days. Conditioned to not noticing or questioning the blatantly obvious."
you said nothing about how quickly a gun was pointed at anyone. you pick and choose what you don't like and run with it. it's not fascism, and nobody is blind. armed policemen were there for protection of the speaker, not for any other reason you may dream up. i'm not saying anyone was justified in drawing a gun, just pointing out that there was a reason for guns to be at the venue.
oh, go fuck yourself with the parroting of the kool-aid statement. here's what you said:
"...armed policemen stationed a few feet from the microphone is bloody fascism right there.
Man I tell ya people are getting blind these days. Conditioned to not noticing or questioning the blatantly obvious."
you said nothing about how quickly a gun was pointed at anyone. you pick and choose what you don't like and run with it. it's not fascism, and nobody is blind. armed policemen were there for protection of the speaker, not for any other reason you may dream up. i'm not saying anyone was justified in drawing a gun, just pointing out that there was a reason for guns to be at the venue.
whoa...chill pill...
pick and choose;..huh? You watched the vid right? So how observant are you, and how exactly is that my fault?
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
are you reading anything i wrote? you clearly said it was fascist because there were armed policemen there. once again, do you not understand why there were armed policemen in attendance? nevermind the fact he got tasered, nevermind someone pulled a gun. your original statement that made me reply (do i really need to copy and paste it again?) said nothing about pulling a gun out, only that you were disgusted that there were guns in attendance and labeled it fascist. it is not fascist. if anything, it's part of regulations.
i don't want to argue with you about whether someone should have pulled a gun out or not, but if you want my opinion, it shouldn't have happened. keep it holstered. stupid move on the part of the cops. i'm not willing to go so far as to call it fascist. just stupid.
and contrary to what you may believe, you're not right all the time. i'd have an easier time digesting what you have to say if you weren't so condescending all the time.
are you reading anything i wrote? you clearly said it was fascist because there were armed policemen there. once again, do you not understand why there were armed policemen in attendance? nevermind the fact he got tasered, nevermind someone pulled a gun. your original statement that made me reply (do i really need to copy and paste it again?) said nothing about pulling a gun out, only that you were disgusted that there were guns in attendance and labeled it fascist. it is not fascist. if anything, it's part of regulations.
i don't want to argue with you about whether someone should have pulled a gun out or not, but if you want my opinion, it shouldn't have happened. keep it holstered. stupid move on the part of the cops. i'm not willing to go so far as to call it fascist. just stupid.
and contrary to what you may believe, you're not right all the time. i'd have an easier time digesting what you have to say if you weren't so condescending all the time.
well..what policemen aren't armed these days? It's assumed no?
I have no clue what you're trying to say now...
The cops (three?) were practically humping the mic...
That's intimidation.
If they wanted to actually protect the speaker they should have been near the stage, not at the microphone.
The intent was obvious.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
my take is that the freakin kid deserved it ...my god BRO shut up ...someone please tazzz his assssssss .....
sheep are calm...patriots aren't
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
well..what policemen aren't armed these days? It's assumed no?
I have no clue what you're trying to say now...
The cops (three?) were practically humping the mic...
That's intimidation.
If they wanted to actually protect the speaker they should have been near the stage, not at the microphone.
The intent was obvious.
you know what, after watching that video again and trying to see when a gun was pulled, the only time i see one is when he tries to get free from the cops and moves in the direction of the stage, which would more than likely warrant anyone put in charge of protecting kerry to draw their weapon. also, the video is a bit grainy, but could the gun actually be a stun gun? it looks rather boxy at the end of the barrel.
you know what, after watching that video again and trying to see when a gun was pulled, the only time i see one is when he tries to get free from the cops and moves in the direction of the stage, which would more than likely warrant anyone put in charge of protecting kerry to draw their weapon. also, the video is a bit grainy, but could the gun actually be a stun gun? it looks rather boxy at the end of the barrel.
It looked like a gun. I would imagine they all passed through metal detectors prior to entering. Perhaps not.
I think it was purely an act of intimidation.
a power trip...
Cops power trip all the time...they get a high from it.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
It looked like a gun. I would imagine they all passed through metal detectors prior to entering. Perhaps not.
I think it was purely an act of intimidation.
a power trip...
Cops power trip all the time...they get a high from it.
well, that's where we differ. the only thing i might partially agree with you is pulling an actual gun out. the thing that would worry me most about that is if it accidentally went off and hit someone in the crowd. i can understand someone being jittery when a person makes a move towards the stage, but pulling an actual firearm should be the last thing they do. but i don't even know if i agree that it was a gun and not a stun gun. it really does look very large and boxy at the end of the barrel. i watched the cops in LA use a stun gun on a guy in a disabled car, holding a hostage. i can't say it looked exactly the same as what i see in this video, but kinda similar. is there a clearer video out of this kid getting arrested?
well, that's where we differ. the only thing i might partially agree with you is pulling an actual gun out. the thing that would worry me most about that is if it accidentally went off and hit someone in the crowd. i can understand someone being jittery when a person makes a move towards the stage, but pulling an actual firearm should be the last thing they do. but i don't even know if i agree that it was a gun and not a stun gun. it really does look very large and boxy at the end of the barrel. i watched the cops in LA use a stun gun on a guy in a disabled car, holding a hostage. i can't say it looked exactly the same as what i see in this video, but kinda similar. is there a clearer video out of this kid getting arrested?
Gone are the good old days when a person could get passionate about something and speak their mind...
Now they just get manhandled and arrested..
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Gone are the good old days when a person could get passionate about something and speak their mind...
Now they just get manhandled and arrested..
i don't agree. this kid was getting thrown out by the organizers of the event (the people that paid kerry to speak, not this kid), police went to escort him out, he got extremely loud and disruptive and tried numerous times to break free from the cops. there's no way of knowing for sure, but i'd be willing to bet all the money i have if he just let the cops walk him out, speaking his mind on the way out (not shouting his mind, but speaking), he wouldn't have been tased or arrested.
i've seen numerous videos here on the train of people protesting many different things, and when they act civil (even when breaking the law), they're treated with respect. when you get out of control, nobody knows what you're going to do next and things that don't have to happen, happen.
i don't agree. this kid was getting thrown out by the organizers of the event (the people that paid kerry to speak, not this kid), police went to escort him out, he got extremely loud and disruptive and tried numerous times to break free from the cops. there's no way of knowing for sure, but i'd be willing to bet all the money i have if he just let the cops walk him out, speaking his mind on the way out (not shouting his mind, but speaking), he wouldn't have been tased or arrested.
i've seen numerous videos here on the train of people protesting many different things, and when they act civil (even when breaking the law), they're treated with respect. when you get out of control, nobody knows what you're going to do next and things that don't have to happen, happen.
He asked a question they grabbed him. The police assaulted him. You can't just grab people and start twisting their arms behind their back for talking.
He was right to question the police. The police were the ones breaking the law...namely the right to freedom of speech .
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Resisting arrest is not punishable when it is an illegal arrest.
He was being escorted outside. His refusal to cooperate led to his arrest. Doesn't matter if the cops were wrong, you DO NOT resist or refuse cooperation under any circumstances. If the arrest was illegal he could've pressed charges for false arrest. But since he DID resist (regardless of his innocence or guilt) he qualifies for punishment.
He was being escorted outside. His refusal to cooperate led to his arrest. Doesn't matter if the cops were wrong, you DO NOT resist or refuse cooperation under any circumstances. If the arrest was illegal he could've pressed charges for false arrest. But since he DID resist (regardless of his innocence or guilt) he qualifies for punishment.
He was being escorted outside. His refusal to cooperate led to his arrest. Doesn't matter if the cops were wrong, you DO NOT resist or refuse cooperation under any circumstances. If the arrest was illegal he could've pressed charges for false arrest. But since he DID resist (regardless of his innocence or guilt) he qualifies for punishment.
im with ya there ...i cant believe anyone has compassion from this punk....i guess from people that know him...they say that he is a classclown ... always startin crap... all for laughs ... looks like the laughs on him this time ....next he should act civil instead of a whining baby
Go back a page and read the links to your rights as a citizen in this country concerning illegal arrest. He had the right to kill those cops in self-defense for their assault and battery.
im with ya there ...i cant believe anyone has compassion from this punk....i guess from people that know him...they say that he is a classclown ... always startin crap... all for laughs ... looks like the laughs on him this time ....next he should act civil instead of a whining baby
You need to learn your rights. Otherwise you're just agreeing to police abuse like a kicked dog that lingers on with an abusive owner.
Go back a page and read the links to your rights as a citizen in this country concerning illegal arrest. He had the right to kill those cops in self-defense for their assault and battery.
When being arrested:
1) You have the Constitutional right to remain silent;
2) Anything you say can be held against you in the court of law;
3) You have the right to legal counsel and that if you cannot afford a lawyer, one will be appointed for you; and
4) If you choose, you may have a lawyer present during interrogation.
These are your rights (Miranda Rights) when you are under arrest. You also have the Bill of Rights. If it is illegal you can take action afterwards (nobody has convinced me this arrest was illegal).
im still laughing my ass off everytime i see this clip .....dont taze me bro....lol
this is a lame thread .... this guys an IDIOT ... im done wasting my time talkin bout this fool ....
fight the power
I'm glad he did what he did. I think this is a perfect case-study in what cops can and cannot do in a free society, and sheds a lot of light on the attitudes of the american people when it comes to abuse of power and police brutality. This is something that should be built on.
I was watching one of this guys friends being interviewed today on CNN, and it makes me think not everybody is getting the whole story. This girl, whom was asked by this guy to record the whole thing, shed a little more light on the whole thing. As she pointed out, not all of these videos caught the whole thing, as most people started recording after things started getting crazy. According to her (who was there with him, and recorded his footage) the young man didn't just wait his turn to ask his question and get accosted, he plowed is way up to the front, and cut somebody else off whose turn it was to talk, and then started his ramblings. Already he was being disorderly, and this led to the inital police reaction, not because of his opinions/questions. His continued conduct and resistance, not to mention the fact that there was a Senator in the building, whose protection was their responsibility, is what led to his being tasered. This young man wasn't just being abused for "being a dick" or for his opinions, he was being dragged off and tasered for billigerant and possibly dangerous behaviour.
I was reading a story on the web, and they were talking about this kids website, which I have not visited, which makes it pretty obvious this was a stunt he planned for attention, and got a response he was probably happy with. It said his site had videos of him standing outside of a bookstore the day the last Harry Potter book was being released holding a sign that said "Harry Dies", and other such stuff. Now is a prank or a stunt something that should get you tasered? No it isn't. But in a forum like this, he knew he would get a reaction like he did (being removed that is) and he should have just not resisted. When he started resisting and acting crazy, he brought the tasing on himself.
As for his freedom of speech, it wasn't his speech that got him in trouble, it was his actions. And what about the freedom of speech for the person who he cut off? That person had the right, and was following the rules of the forum, to ask his/her question or state an opinion, and "Johnny LookAtMe" decided to strip that away for his own little stunt.
If somebody ran up on stage during a Pearl Jam show, and took the microphone from Ed to start rambling his personal politics stopping the show in it's tracks, and was forcibly dragged from the stage and possibly tasered, would you be angry? Or would you still think he should be allowed to do it because it is "his right"?
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And point guns at peoples heads for asking questions thy don't like?
yeah....right...screw head #2 pointed a gun point blank at his head in under 10 seconds...insane... America is fucked
have some more kool-aid
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probably wouldnt stop you from getting your skull crushed though
Maybe, maybe not. It's good to know your rights though, eh?
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oh, go fuck yourself with the parroting of the kool-aid statement. here's what you said:
"...armed policemen stationed a few feet from the microphone is bloody fascism right there.
Man I tell ya people are getting blind these days. Conditioned to not noticing or questioning the blatantly obvious."
you said nothing about how quickly a gun was pointed at anyone. you pick and choose what you don't like and run with it. it's not fascism, and nobody is blind. armed policemen were there for protection of the speaker, not for any other reason you may dream up. i'm not saying anyone was justified in drawing a gun, just pointing out that there was a reason for guns to be at the venue.
~D.K.S.
whoa...chill pill...
pick and choose;..huh? You watched the vid right? So how observant are you, and how exactly is that my fault?
Hello...reality check...planet earth.... fascism 101...
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are you reading anything i wrote? you clearly said it was fascist because there were armed policemen there. once again, do you not understand why there were armed policemen in attendance? nevermind the fact he got tasered, nevermind someone pulled a gun. your original statement that made me reply (do i really need to copy and paste it again?) said nothing about pulling a gun out, only that you were disgusted that there were guns in attendance and labeled it fascist. it is not fascist. if anything, it's part of regulations.
i don't want to argue with you about whether someone should have pulled a gun out or not, but if you want my opinion, it shouldn't have happened. keep it holstered. stupid move on the part of the cops. i'm not willing to go so far as to call it fascist. just stupid.
and contrary to what you may believe, you're not right all the time. i'd have an easier time digesting what you have to say if you weren't so condescending all the time.
~D.K.S.
well..what policemen aren't armed these days? It's assumed no?
I have no clue what you're trying to say now...
The cops (three?) were practically humping the mic...
That's intimidation.
If they wanted to actually protect the speaker they should have been near the stage, not at the microphone.
The intent was obvious.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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KEEP OUR COUNTRY ....COUNTRY
sheep are calm...patriots aren't
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you know what, after watching that video again and trying to see when a gun was pulled, the only time i see one is when he tries to get free from the cops and moves in the direction of the stage, which would more than likely warrant anyone put in charge of protecting kerry to draw their weapon. also, the video is a bit grainy, but could the gun actually be a stun gun? it looks rather boxy at the end of the barrel.
~D.K.S.
It looked like a gun. I would imagine they all passed through metal detectors prior to entering. Perhaps not.
I think it was purely an act of intimidation.
a power trip...
Cops power trip all the time...they get a high from it.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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i think yur tellin your age ....or maybe yur just that mental, small that u would think this class clown is a patriot .... baaaaaaaaaaaaaa
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well, that's where we differ. the only thing i might partially agree with you is pulling an actual gun out. the thing that would worry me most about that is if it accidentally went off and hit someone in the crowd. i can understand someone being jittery when a person makes a move towards the stage, but pulling an actual firearm should be the last thing they do. but i don't even know if i agree that it was a gun and not a stun gun. it really does look very large and boxy at the end of the barrel. i watched the cops in LA use a stun gun on a guy in a disabled car, holding a hostage. i can't say it looked exactly the same as what i see in this video, but kinda similar. is there a clearer video out of this kid getting arrested?
~D.K.S.
Gone are the good old days when a person could get passionate about something and speak their mind...
Now they just get manhandled and arrested..
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i don't agree. this kid was getting thrown out by the organizers of the event (the people that paid kerry to speak, not this kid), police went to escort him out, he got extremely loud and disruptive and tried numerous times to break free from the cops. there's no way of knowing for sure, but i'd be willing to bet all the money i have if he just let the cops walk him out, speaking his mind on the way out (not shouting his mind, but speaking), he wouldn't have been tased or arrested.
i've seen numerous videos here on the train of people protesting many different things, and when they act civil (even when breaking the law), they're treated with respect. when you get out of control, nobody knows what you're going to do next and things that don't have to happen, happen.
~D.K.S.
He asked a question they grabbed him. The police assaulted him. You can't just grab people and start twisting their arms behind their back for talking.
He was right to question the police. The police were the ones breaking the law...namely the right to freedom of speech .
cmon...smarten up..
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Go back a page and read the links to your rights as a citizen in this country concerning illegal arrest. He had the right to kill those cops in self-defense for their assault and battery.
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You need to learn your rights. Otherwise you're just agreeing to police abuse like a kicked dog that lingers on with an abusive owner.
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this is a lame thread .... this guys an IDIOT ... im done wasting my time talkin bout this fool ....
fight the power
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1) You have the Constitutional right to remain silent;
2) Anything you say can be held against you in the court of law;
3) You have the right to legal counsel and that if you cannot afford a lawyer, one will be appointed for you; and
4) If you choose, you may have a lawyer present during interrogation.
These are your rights (Miranda Rights) when you are under arrest. You also have the Bill of Rights. If it is illegal you can take action afterwards (nobody has convinced me this arrest was illegal).
I'm glad he did what he did. I think this is a perfect case-study in what cops can and cannot do in a free society, and sheds a lot of light on the attitudes of the american people when it comes to abuse of power and police brutality. This is something that should be built on.
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I was reading a story on the web, and they were talking about this kids website, which I have not visited, which makes it pretty obvious this was a stunt he planned for attention, and got a response he was probably happy with. It said his site had videos of him standing outside of a bookstore the day the last Harry Potter book was being released holding a sign that said "Harry Dies", and other such stuff. Now is a prank or a stunt something that should get you tasered? No it isn't. But in a forum like this, he knew he would get a reaction like he did (being removed that is) and he should have just not resisted. When he started resisting and acting crazy, he brought the tasing on himself.
As for his freedom of speech, it wasn't his speech that got him in trouble, it was his actions. And what about the freedom of speech for the person who he cut off? That person had the right, and was following the rules of the forum, to ask his/her question or state an opinion, and "Johnny LookAtMe" decided to strip that away for his own little stunt.
If somebody ran up on stage during a Pearl Jam show, and took the microphone from Ed to start rambling his personal politics stopping the show in it's tracks, and was forcibly dragged from the stage and possibly tasered, would you be angry? Or would you still think he should be allowed to do it because it is "his right"?