That's cool. I also respect and completely understand your position. I have gone back and forth about this one. The reason I find myself on the other side of the issue at this point is that he wasn't merely tased for being obnoxious. He was asked to leave for being obnoxious. Once he started moving toward the front of the venue, the cops really started clamping down on him. Then he started thrashing around and resisting. He escalated it from a simple outburst like you mentioned with the Code Pink ladies to something involving a physical altercation. At that point all bets are off.
I'm with you on this, he did thrash around and run from the cops...I've got to give you that one...sadly, it was a lose-lose situation...
one good thing is, next week we'll have a new viral video to discuss...they seem to be coming out on mondays...miss SC, this smuck, what's next...?
edit: "I happen to think the punk got what he deserved." -jeffbr, fascist
Yes, Kop Killa, that was my quote. But where your reading comprehension fails you is that I don't think he deserved it for simply being obnoxious or self-promoting. I'll leave it as an exercise to you, dear Killa, to try to figure out what you're missing.
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The guy was obviously there to cause a scene and be disruptive. He should have been removed. I do think the tazer was a bit much, but then again I think he would have kept on being disruptive until they eventually resorted to it anyway. Also, he was warned that they would tazer him and didn't stop resisting. He had this stunt planned all along.
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Yes, Kop Killa, that was my quote. But where your reading comprehension fails you is that I don't think he deserved it for simply being obnoxious or self-promoting. I'll leave it as an exercise to you, dear Killa, to try to figure out what you're missing.
Maybe you should try writing.
The problem is, that there is absolutely no excuse for any sort of force at all in that scenario.
I disagree with you that there was a reason for force, regardless.
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Submitted by Jeff Tiedrich on Tue, 2007/09/18 - 12:55pm.
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Sen. John Kerry on Tuesday comdemned the arrest of a University of Florida student at one of his speeches, saying that he was engaged in a "good healthy discussion" with 21-year-old Andrew Meyer when he was Tasered and taken into custody. "In 37 years of public appearances, through wars, protests and highly emotional events, I have never had a dialogue end this way," Kerry said in a statement.
"Ladies and gentlemen, the President of the United States, Barack Obama."
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The guy was obviously there to cause a scene and be disruptive. He should have been removed. I do think the tazer was a bit much, but then again I think he would have kept on being disruptive until they eventually resorted to it anyway. Also, he was warned that they would tazer him and didn't stop resisting. He had this stunt planned all along.
He was asking questions. You and many others like you may not have liked the questions, but that was his right, and it was taken away from him by force.
The guy was obviously there to cause a scene and be disruptive. He should have been removed. I do think the tazer was a bit much, but then again I think he would have kept on being disruptive until they eventually resorted to it anyway. Also, he was warned that they would tazer him and didn't stop resisting. He had this stunt planned all along.
Agreed... the tasering was a bit much but when planning a stunt you have to expect some consequences.
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He was asking questions. You and many others like you may not have liked the questions, but that was his right, and it was taken away from him by force.
I don't have any issue whatsoever with his questions, but it's obvious he planned to monopolize the event until they physically removed him.
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
So? It was a number of stunts disguised as a question. Wait! It was a stunt in the guise of too many questions.
Tase the motherfucker. Remove him!
Chill out. I already said I thought it was overkill to tase him at that point.
....but I think he was going to stand there and be belligerant until they eventually did something. He obviously had an agenda or intent.
I'm fine with people asking question, but it's obvious if you go to an event and are purposefully disruptive, they're probably going to have you removed.
I'll bet the school paid a pretty good sum to have him there and it's not alright for a small minority of students to basically ruin the event.
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
Chill out. I already said I thought it was overkill to tase him at that point.
....but I think he was going to stand there and be belligerant until they eventually did something. He obviously had an agenda or intent.
I'm fine with people asking question, but it's obvious if you go to an event and are purposefully disruptive, they're probably going to have you removed.
I'll bet the school paid a pretty good sum to have him there and it's not alright for a small minority of students to basically ruin the event.
Obviously you haven't read the story. The event was essentially over. The student was the last in line to ask questions. If anyone thought he was being truly uncivil they could have walked out. The thing was over with anyway. He wasn't blocking anyone else from speaking. But no, Old Blue had to have a little say in the matter and assert themselves to show all the students that in spite of everything else, it is the people in uniform that have the power.
Quit being such a dumbass. Are you not able to understand words you read? I specifically said I am outraged when cops abuse their positions.
show me a case where someone is not creating a situation and gets tasered
no... i think i'm reading it right. you asked to show a case where someone is not creating a situation and gets tasered. so that's what i did. there have been about 9 or so of these cases here in austin. but, no wait, they weren't tasered. they were shot.... even worse.
I don't want tasers used unecessarily. The disagreement in this thread is about whether this incident fits that category. I happen to think the punk got what he deserved. Others think the cops overstepped. Still others in this thread have the reading comprehension of junior high students and can't seem to follow along.
well, if you think he got what he deserved it's because you've got different disciplinary standards. i don't agree that he should've been tasered but i can understand the cops perspective... although i don't agree with it. it's all in your own interpretation. some people would discipline their children with a belt, some wouldn't.
Each one of your 9 cases will probably piss me off. I am glad the woman in the case above got a reduced sentence. It sounds like she was trying to protect her child rather than endanger it, may have made a bad decision or two, but that clearly shouldn't translate to 10 years in jail (or any time at all for that matter).
Again, if this case was presented to me as a poor kid simply asking a question and getting tasered, I'd be pissed. But that is not what happened here. This was an obnoxious journalism student who wanted to promote himself and his website. He did. It worked. He can be happy because he got the attention he was looking for. The cops can be happy because they got to taser someone. I can be happy because it provided a little comic relief yesterday. It was a win/win/win situation!
i don't care.
This isn't the land of opportunity, it's the land of competition.
Watch the footage before they started trying to remove him. He was being obnoxious on purpose.
yeah... i'm sorry i'm gonna have to disagree with you on this one. no one should get tasered just for being abnoxious on purpose. i think if he was being abnoxious they did exactly what they should do.... escort him out the building. just like in any other event. but since they were cops he was "resisting" so it gets technical from that point and onward.
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yeah... i'm sorry i'm gonna have to disagree with you on this one. no one should get tasered just for being abnoxious on purpose. i think if he was being abnoxious they did exactly what they should do.... escort him out the building. just like in any other event. but since they were cops he was "resisting" so it gets technical from that point and onward.
I pretty much agree with you. I said in my first post that I didn't really think the tasering was necessary. I do think they were right to remove him, though.
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...are those who've helped us.
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is it enough to arrest him? Prisons would be super full, if people acting immature could be arrested for that
Last time I checked resisting the police was punishable by a fine or jail time. Resisting arrest is why he was jailed, not him being immature. Had he cooperated I'm sure he would've been escorted outside and that'd have been the end of it.
When Rosa Parks was arrested in Montgomery, Alabama for not giving up her seat on the bus to a white man......she didn't raise a ruckus, resist arrest or cause a scene. If protesters want to win the hearts of the middle....they're going to have some manners, class and civility about it. If they don't......the majority will simply stare at them or ignore them.
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Last time I checked resisting the police was punishable by a fine or jail time. Resisting arrest is why he was jailed, not him being immature. Had he cooperated I'm sure he would've been escorted outside and that'd have been the end of it.
Resisting arrest is not punishable when it is an illegal arrest.
When Rosa Parks was arrested in Montgomery, Alabama for not giving up her seat on the bus to a white man......she didn't raise a ruckus, resist arrest or cause a scene. If protesters want to win the hearts of the middle....they're going to have some manners, class and civility about it. If they don't......the majority will simply stare at them or ignore them.
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I'm with you on this, he did thrash around and run from the cops...I've got to give you that one...sadly, it was a lose-lose situation...
one good thing is, next week we'll have a new viral video to discuss...they seem to be coming out on mondays...miss SC, this smuck, what's next...?
Yes, Kop Killa, that was my quote. But where your reading comprehension fails you is that I don't think he deserved it for simply being obnoxious or self-promoting. I'll leave it as an exercise to you, dear Killa, to try to figure out what you're missing.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
Maybe you should try writing.
The problem is, that there is absolutely no excuse for any sort of force at all in that scenario.
I disagree with you that there was a reason for force, regardless.
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Submitted by Jeff Tiedrich on Tue, 2007/09/18 - 12:55pm.
(via blogs.abcnews.com)
Sen. John Kerry on Tuesday comdemned the arrest of a University of Florida student at one of his speeches, saying that he was engaged in a "good healthy discussion" with 21-year-old Andrew Meyer when he was Tasered and taken into custody. "In 37 years of public appearances, through wars, protests and highly emotional events, I have never had a dialogue end this way," Kerry said in a statement.
"Obama's main opponent in this election on November 4th (was) not John McCain, it (was) ignorance."~Michael Moore
"i'm feeling kinda righteous right now. with my badass motherfuckin' ukulele!"
~ed, 8/7
He was asking questions. You and many others like you may not have liked the questions, but that was his right, and it was taken away from him by force.
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Agreed... the tasering was a bit much but when planning a stunt you have to expect some consequences.
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What was the stunt? Kerry wanted to answer the questions, apparently.
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Yes, and both times he tried to the kid would start yelling and screaming again.
I don't have any issue whatsoever with his questions, but it's obvious he planned to monopolize the event until they physically removed him.
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Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
The guy was not "yelling and screaming". He was trying to get in as many questions as possible.
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Also, according to the format he was really only allowed to ask one question. He was pulling a stunt, it's obvious.
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Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
How is that obvious? If the police hadn't been asked to remove him it would be a non-event. I don't see the reason to remove him.
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So? It was a number of stunts disguised as a question. Wait! It was a stunt in the guise of too many questions.
Tase the motherfucker. Remove him!
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Chill out. I already said I thought it was overkill to tase him at that point.
....but I think he was going to stand there and be belligerant until they eventually did something. He obviously had an agenda or intent.
I'm fine with people asking question, but it's obvious if you go to an event and are purposefully disruptive, they're probably going to have you removed.
I'll bet the school paid a pretty good sum to have him there and it's not alright for a small minority of students to basically ruin the event.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
Obviously you haven't read the story. The event was essentially over. The student was the last in line to ask questions. If anyone thought he was being truly uncivil they could have walked out. The thing was over with anyway. He wasn't blocking anyone else from speaking. But no, Old Blue had to have a little say in the matter and assert themselves to show all the students that in spite of everything else, it is the people in uniform that have the power.
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Are you him?
Watch the footage before they started trying to remove him. He was being obnoxious on purpose.
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Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
so what..?
I've had my say on this matter. If you need to read it again you know how to use the back button.
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no... i think i'm reading it right. you asked to show a case where someone is not creating a situation and gets tasered. so that's what i did. there have been about 9 or so of these cases here in austin. but, no wait, they weren't tasered. they were shot.... even worse.
well, if you think he got what he deserved it's because you've got different disciplinary standards. i don't agree that he should've been tasered but i can understand the cops perspective... although i don't agree with it. it's all in your own interpretation. some people would discipline their children with a belt, some wouldn't.
i don't care.
I pretty much agree with you. I said in my first post that I didn't really think the tasering was necessary. I do think they were right to remove him, though.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
you do remember that a senator and someone that ran for the presidency was speaking, right? should they carry spitwads instead of weapons?
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When Rosa Parks was arrested in Montgomery, Alabama for not giving up her seat on the bus to a white man......she didn't raise a ruckus, resist arrest or cause a scene. If protesters want to win the hearts of the middle....they're going to have some manners, class and civility about it. If they don't......the majority will simply stare at them or ignore them.
Resisting arrest is not punishable when it is an illegal arrest.
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“Citizens may resist unlawful arrest to the point of taking an arresting officer's life if necessary.”
http://www.constitution.org/uslaw/defunlaw.htm
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it wouldn't matter if you did.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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