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  • Pats54Pats54 Posts: 276
    PEPPER wrote:
    These "unborn children" are fucking living beings and your presidential candidate is all for killing them because the "parent" does not want them...sadly I once believed like you that abortion was OK and it wasn’t my choice to decide for a person what to do...but after seeing a child develop right in front of me I just cannot justify that reasoning anymore...and hopefully when your chance comes to become a parent you will see this also. Abortion is murder and is no different then someone killing another human being for money.

    Ok, so it is republicans fault you raise your baby in a ghetto....shitty public school system you believe is the result of the federal government...then you voluntarily sign up to join the army and get sent to fight a war......I am with you on the vet benefits but the rest of your arguments are pretty off base.

    Ghetto living and shitty public schools are a result of your local government not the feds....Bush can't be blamed for those and if you can convince me otherwise have at it

    And 90% plus in the Ghetto's/Inner City have voted for Dems (Mayors etc)for years and things have gotten worse. At some point one would think maybe what is going on here is not working. Must be nice to have sheep in the flock that will vote for you no matter how bad things are.
  • digsterdigster Posts: 1,293
    PEPPER wrote:
    when are we going to impeach Bush...when are we going to end the Iraq war.....all things said they would do the last election, which is why people gave them the power and they did nothing....keep believing the lies…

    More than anything else, this is my favorite argument I here from Republican supporters. I believe it goes something like this..."the Democrats are failures because they've done a terrible job of solving all the many things that we screwed up." And somehow they can keep this completely contradictory statement in their head without imploding.
  • digster wrote:
    More than anything else, this is my favorite argument I here from Republican supporters. I believe it goes something like this..."the Democrats are failures because they've done a terrible job of solving all the many things that we screwed up." And somehow they can keep this completely contradictory statement in their head without imploding.

    Here's the reality...this Republican administration is a failure...the Dem congress is a failure...that's why it's ok to have outsiders on the ballot.
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  • digsterdigster Posts: 1,293
    Here's the reality...this Republican administration is a failure...the Dem congress is a failure...that's why it's ok to have outsiders on the ballot.

    Fine by me. I was responding to the other guy. The logic astounds me.

    Step 1: Republican administration and Congress fail. Miserably. Screw up practically everything possible, and Democrats don't stop them cause they're gutless.
    Step 2: Democratic congress comes in.
    Step 3: Republican administration and members of congress criticize Democrats for not fixing things THE SAME REPUBLICANS screwed up.

    This will never, ever, ever make any sense whatsoever.

    I think it was Lewis Black that described it best for me; "The Democrats are the party of no ideas. The Republicans are the party of bad ideas."
  • digster wrote:
    I think it was Lewis Black that described it best for me; "The Democrats are the party of no ideas. The Republicans are the party of bad ideas."

    That reminds me of a good G.K. Chesterton quote:

    "The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of Conservatives is to prevent mistakes from being corrected."
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  • digsterdigster Posts: 1,293
    That reminds me of a good G.K. Chesterton quote:

    "The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of Conservatives is to prevent mistakes from being corrected."

    Paraphrased:

    Republican: "I've got a really shitty idea!"
    Democrat: "And I've got a way to make it even shittier!"

    And my favorite quote from one of my favorite Americans, Mark Twain,

    "Suppose I was an idiot. And suppose I was a member of Congress. But I'm repeating myself."

    I have a good feeling about Obama; speaking as someone who has worked in community organizing, a background in community organizing and grassroots politics is exactly the kind of professions that could be valuable preparation to confront the freakshow that is D.C. However, if he is just like all the others I'll be the first to call him on it.
  • digsterdigster Posts: 1,293
    While we're talking about community organizing in the last post, I found this nugget from Senator McCain's interview on Fox News Sunday:

    "MCCAIN: Well, by the way, also she was a member of the PTA. I think it's wonderful. But the point is she has been to Kuwait. She has been over there. She has been with her troops, the National Guard that she commands, who had been over there and had the experience. I'm proud of her knowledge of these challenges and issues.

    And of course, as governor she has had enormous responsibilities, none of which Senator Obama had. He -- when she was in government, he was a community organizer."

    Although this is wrong by the way (Obama was a community organizer before Palin ever entered government. He became State Senator in Illinois and she joined the City Council of her town at the same time), I found it pretty baffling that a presidential candidate belittles a profession such as community organizer. Imagine the patented McCain scoffing grin when saying it and you can get a pretty clear image.

    The profession of community organizing is one of the most important jobs in this country. They organize voter registration, mobilize residents to confront and make demands of their elected officials. It is a difficult, grueling job with little dazzle and many setbacks. My best friend currently works as a community organizer, working for ten hours a day sometimes 6 days a week for 20 grand a year. But he is doing great work in the community where he works; they just got the City Council to agree to deliver funds to establish an after-school center so kids in the neighborhood could have an alternative to the street. Countless people in this country have improved lives due to these people. And McCain belittles them? What the fuck is his problem?

    I mean, I see it when I watch Sean Hannity, or hear Limbaugh, or O'Reilly. They say Obama was a "community organizer" with a snort, and they are stupid enough to think it is an insult. Fine, they're newscasters; stupidity comes with the profession. But I didn't like finding out that McCain is also stupid enough to think the same thing.

    Rant over, whew.
  • digsterdigster Posts: 1,293
    PEPPER wrote:

    O please tell me more. Maybe your friend shoud run for president. I can assure you Obama made well over 20 grand a year. I think your "one of the most important jobs in this country" line is an overstatement. I agree it is important I do not agree it merits a push for president

    Palin has used the veto pen, commanded the National Guard, drawn up budgets, in fact, she’s the only one on either ticket that has any kind of executive experience at all.

    Being president is not all about putting in long hours at your current job. As for the media snorting at this they are the same media that trivializes that he was a POW in Vieitnam...anything they can do to discredit him for their own political agenda

    rant on

    You can assure me Obama made more than 20 grand? So, Obama, his bosses, his tax returns, his political campaign and any number of hundreds of editorials and articles written about his time in Chicago as an organizer (not to mention the universally shitty salaries organizers make) states that he made 11,000 a year. Your assurances ring pretty hollow.

    It is one of the most important jobs in the country. In this job, you must build diverse coalitions to achieve objectives, must reach across different political spectrums, must confront corruption. Hm, sounds like another job these guys are running for. You don't believe a President would gain worthwhile experience from working in impoverished communities, gaining a grounded understanding of how economic policies and pressures can ravage such communities, building coalitions, etc? I'm not saying that it makes Obama qualified to be President; I believe it's something that does, but I don't expect Obama's detractors to agree. But McCain, the Republican presidential candidate, considers this job as something to be scoffed at. This job, which is geared towards voter registration, community development, and grassroots organizing. I think for a presidential candidate to belittle these goals is idiotic, and just another sign that McCain has little idea of what he's talking about when he speaks about the problems Americans are facing.
  • Sarah Palin's daughter is pregnant.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26496189/

    The Republicans are turning this election into a soap opera.
  • digsterdigster Posts: 1,293
    Obama would do both himself, his campaign, and the entire race alot of good to get out in front of this story and say it has no bearings on the issues. The main differentiation between Democrats and Republicans in the past two presidential races is that they have not extensively used Karl Rove-anything goes type tactics. Obama needs to jump on this; it'll put the focus back on the issues, and I think he'd gain alot of respect for doing so.
  • dignindignin Posts: 9,338
    Am i the only one who believes that Sarah Palin is irresponsible for having a baby at the age of 42 or 43. The risks are so great for problems...and now her 17 year old daughter is pregnant, and she could possibly be the next leader of your country. I find that a little scary. But maybe thats just me.
  • digsterdigster Posts: 1,293
    yield6 wrote:
    Am i the only one who believes that Sarah Palin is irresponsible for having a baby at the age of 42 or 43. The risks are so great for problems...and now her 17 year old daughter is pregnant, and she could possibly be the next leader of your country. I find that a little scary. But maybe thats just me.

    To be fair, it has no bearing on the issues. And it does cut both ways. The Obamas have a six-year old daughter, which requires alot of attention. It's not quite as high-maintenence, but it's not like the Bush girls who were off at college when Daddy took office.
  • dignindignin Posts: 9,338
    thats not what im getting at....having a child at that age greatly increases the chances of mental and physical defects. Which in my mind if you dont believe in abortion is irresponsible.
  • digster wrote:
    Obama would do both himself, his campaign, and the entire race alot of good to get out in front of this story and say it has no bearings on the issues. The main differentiation between Democrats and Republicans in the past two presidential races is that they have not extensively used Karl Rove-anything goes type tactics. Obama needs to jump on this; it'll put the focus back on the issues, and I think he'd gain alot of respect for doing so.

    agreed. McCain and Palin are using the politics of distraction in more way than one.
  • darkcrowdarkcrow Posts: 1,102
    http://www.washingtonindependent.com/3767/palin-involved-in-ousting-scandals-from-the-start

    Palin: The Iron-Fist Mayor?
    By Laura McGann 9/1/08 8:49 PM
    WASILLA, Alaska — Earlier today, First Lady Laura Bush urged us to remember Gov. Sarah Palin’s record as mayor of her hometown from 1996-2002 when assessing her experience. I agree.

    Driving around this city today, I decided it looks more or less like a string of strip malls, 45 minutes northeast of Anchorage. I couldn’t help but think that being mayor of a place like this would be something akin to running a large neighborhood watch.

    The main highway that runs through town is lined with new big-box stores, including a Target and a Wal-Mart. A handful of fast-food chains as well as some local restaurants also sprinkle the main drag. Breathtaking mountains, the peaks still lightly dusted with snow, create a striking backdrop. Despite the chain stores, this small city feels distant from the rest of the world. I’d have guessed Palin would have run the city with a “we’re in this together” theme.

    It turns out she had a somewhat different approach. If a small-town mayor ever ruled with an iron fist — it was Palin. Eleven days after taking office in 1996, she mailed letters to each of the city’s top managers requesting that they resign as a test of loyalty.

    The Anchorage Daily News at the time reported the strange events: (via Nexis)

    Mayor Sarah Palin sent the resignation requests Thursday to Police Chief Irl Stambaugh, public works director Jack Felton, finance director Duane Dvorak and Mary Ellen Emmons, the head of libraries. A fifth director — John Cooper, who oversaw the city museum — resigned earlier this month after Palin eliminated his position.

    Cooper initially resisted resigning, but to no avail. Palin also later fired the police chief, saying she knew in her “heart” that he did not support her. She left the head of libraries a letter saying she was out — though Palin later decided to spare the librarian after being convinced that she would tow the line.

    The whole saga is unusual — considering Palin prides herself on being independent and seems to enjoy butting heads with her own party. But, this sounds like she requires fierce loyalty of those who work for her.

    I’m still reporting on Palin’s time as mayor. More to come soon.
  • From Time magazine, she wanted to ban books in the library!! Are you FUCKING kidding me?

    http://www.time.com/time/printout/0,8816,1837918,00.html

    "Palin continued to inject religious beliefs into her policy at times. "She asked the library how she could go about banning books," he says, because some voters thought they had inappropriate language in them. "The librarian was aghast." The librarian, Mary Ellen Baker, couldn't be reached for comment, but news reports from the time show that Palin had threatened to fire her for not giving "full support" to the mayor."
  • From Time magazine, she wanted to ban books in the library!! Are you FUCKING kidding me?

    http://www.time.com/time/printout/0,8816,1837918,00.html

    "Palin continued to inject religious beliefs into her policy at times. "She asked the library how she could go about banning books," he says, because some voters thought they had inappropriate language in them. "The librarian was aghast." The librarian, Mary Ellen Baker, couldn't be reached for comment, but news reports from the time show that Palin had threatened to fire her for not giving "full support" to the mayor."


    Now, stuff like this is disturbing and what we should be focusing on. Not personal stuff like her daughter getting knocked up.

    Palin has plenty of flaws directly related to her values and actions as mayor/governor that can be focused on to show why she shouldn't be VP. No need to drag her daughter through the mud.
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  • NMyTreeNMyTree Posts: 2,374
    I think it's infinitly funny that the same people who are "fighting for the right's of embryos" , are the very same people who want to strip the rights of everyone in this country and force/bully people to live their lives according to their demented religious beliefs.

    And by funny, I don't mean ...hahaha....funny.

    I mean, you're a major asshole......funny.
  • darkcrowdarkcrow Posts: 1,102
    From Time magazine, she wanted to ban books in the library!! Are you FUCKING kidding me?

    http://www.time.com/time/printout/0,8816,1837918,00.html

    "Palin continued to inject religious beliefs into her policy at times. "She asked the library how she could go about banning books," he says, because some voters thought they had inappropriate language in them. "The librarian was aghast." The librarian, Mary Ellen Baker, couldn't be reached for comment, but news reports from the time show that Palin had threatened to fire her for not giving "full support" to the mayor."

    Are there any titles specified? Just curious to what she would think should be banned. I can't imagin a small town library to be filled with that many different titles.
  • darkcrow wrote:
    Are there any titles specified? Just curious to what she would think should be banned. I can't imagin a small town library to be filled with that many different titles.

    Usually, the books people try to ban are ones that are "too violent", "too graphic" or "too sex-oriented." Also, the religious right has tried to ban books that are about witchcraft and sorcery. I believe Harry Potter has been targetted by some Christian groups in the past because it is about "unnatural religion" or something.

    I don't know the specific books that Palin was concerned about, but those are your usual suspects.
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  • darkcrow wrote:
    Are there any titles specified? Just curious to what she would think should be banned. I can't imagin a small town library to be filled with that many different titles.

    That's what I thought as well. I'm sure a town library for 7,000 people was just full of porn. ;) Shit, if you checked it out...everyone would know about it anyway!
  • darkcrowdarkcrow Posts: 1,102
    no surprises....

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/02/palins-church-may-have-sh_n_123205.html


    Three months before she was thrust into the national political spotlight, Gov. Sarah Palin was asked to handle a much smaller task: addressing the graduating class of commission students at her one-time church, Wasilla Assembly of God.

    Her speech in June provides as much insight into her policy leanings as anything uncovered since she was asked to be John McCain's running mate.

    Speaking before the Pentecostal church, Palin painted the current war in Iraq as a messianic affair in which the United States could act out the will of the Lord.

    "Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending [U.S. soldiers] out on a task that is from God," she exhorted the congregants. "That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God's plan."

    Religion, however, was not strictly a thread in Palin's foreign policy. It was part of her energy proposals as well. Just prior to discussing Iraq, Alaska's governor asked the audience to pray for another matter -- a $30 billion national gas pipeline project that she wanted built in the state. "I think God's will has to be done in unifying people and companies to get that gas line built, so pray for that," she said.

    Video of Kalnins and Palin from June 8, 2008 (via wasillaag.net):

    Palin's address, much of which was spent reflecting on the work of the church in which she grew up and was baptized, underscores the notion that her world view is deeply impacted by religion. In turn, her remarks raise important questions: mainly, what is Palin's faith and how exactly has it influenced her policies?

    A review of recorded sermons by Ed Kalnins, the senior pastor of Wasilla Assembly of God since 1999, offers a provocative and, for some, eyebrow-raising sketch of Palin's longtime spiritual home.
  • darkcrow wrote:
    "Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending [U.S. soldiers] out on a task that is from God," she exhorted the congregants. "That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God's plan."

    Religion, however, was not strictly a thread in Palin's foreign policy. It was part of her energy proposals as well. Just prior to discussing Iraq, Alaska's governor asked the audience to pray for another matter -- a $30 billion national gas pipeline project that she wanted built in the state. "I think God's will has to be done in unifying people and companies to get that gas line built, so pray for that," she said.

    Great... an ideological nutjob... As many problems that I have with McCain's policies, after 8 years of it, I was a least ok that if he was elected, his policy wouldn't be based on religious ideology. Now I'm not so sure.

    Why the heck would McCain pick someone so different from him?
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  • digsterdigster Posts: 1,293
    Why the heck would McCain pick someone so different from him?

    He wants to be elected, and thinks that he cannot do it with the Christian right. He may be wrong, but I think the social conservatives have definetely and successfully hijacked the Republican Party in the last two decades.
  • digster wrote:
    He wants to be elected, and thinks that he cannot do it with the Christian right. He may be wrong, but I think the social conservatives have definetely and successfully hijacked the Republican Party in the last two decades.

    Yeah... maybe I gave McCain too much credit... Besides from the required campaign pandering, I thought he would keep at arm's length of this crap. I guess it's good news for democrats, because I just can't see his campaign making this move unless they were absolutely desperate.
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  • digsterdigster Posts: 1,293
    Yeah... maybe I gave McCain too much credit... Besides from the required campaign pandering, I thought he would keep at arm's length of this crap. I guess it's good news for democrats, because I just can't see his campaign making this move unless they were absolutely desperate.

    It's the same reason he called Jerry Falwell decisive, and then met with him in 2000. It's the same reason he supported Bush in 2004, even though Bush was responsible for some horrific negative campaigning in South Carolina in 2000. Same reason he flip-flopped on the tax cuts, shifted his poisitions on immigration reform, so on and so forth. After 2000, I think McCain saw that he was at odds with the most powerful part of the Republican Party at the time (i.e. social conservatives). So he started shifting his positions and stances to make himself acceptable, if not desirable, to that group of people. It worked, he got the nomination. However, I think he underestimated just how much the rest of the country was going to hate Bush by the end of his presidency. So he took a calculated risk by buddying up with Bush on more issues, but I think it's ended up being a liability.
  • Hmmmm, Sarah Palin's selection has a lot of folks skeered.

    I wonder why? ;)
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  • It is being reported that her husband was a member of the secessionist roup that wanted Alaska to leave the US as recent as 2002.

    http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/09/todd_palin_was_registered_memb.php

    Todd Palin, why do you hate America? :p:D
  • As with anything else we don't understand...start tearing it down.

    Didn't Obama even say, we can disagree without becoming disagreeable?

    This shit is getting old...not as old as John McCain or as old as Biden's tenure in Washington though. Now those too things are very old.
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  • As with anything else we don't understand...start tearing it down.

    So, don't question anything?
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