True, but many Catholics which make up 26% of the voting population will sway over especially after the Pelosi trying to define abortion flap. I mean having a female pro-life vp against Beiden a pro-choice Catholic will make the decision easier for them to switch to the right.
One of the main reasons Kerry lost is even though he is Catholic he lost the Catholic vote to W.
I can't see how Catholics are going to switch back to the left in this election.
It was a great strategic move by McCain.
i grew up catholic...and beyond JFK...it seems to me the catholics i have known have always held conservative views and thus mostly republicans. i didn't expect any changes on that front in this election.
i am simply pointing to the fact that she is female, alone, really will make zero difference for most women who support choice.
Well then, it doesn't really matter what you think abotu McCain's choice then does it, it doesn't matter at all.
and why is that? i have said from day one NO way would mccain be my candidate, so no,m nothing would change that. however, i do believe it is a-ok for me to share my opinion on him, his choice for VP, etc. again, there was 'suggestion' made that it might attract women, and/or hillary supporters...and while i never supported hillary for prez, i am a woman...and thus weighed in with why palin being a woman means nothing, it is policies that matter.
and solat...absolutely....VERY, very strategic. my very first thought.
i grew up catholic...and beyond JFK...it seems to me the catholics i have known have always held conservative views and thus mostly republicans. i didn't expect any changes on that front in this election.
i am simply pointing to the fact that she is female, alone, really will make zero difference for most women who support choice.
and why is that? i have said from day one NO way would mccain be my candidate, so no,m nothing would change that. however, i do believe it is a-ok for me to share my opinion on him, his choice for VP, etc. again, there was 'suggestion' made that it might attract women, and/or hillary supporters...and while i never supported hillary for prez, i am a woman...and thus weighed in with why palin being a woman means nothing, it is policies that matter.
and solat...absolutely....VERY, very strategic. my very first thought.
so you think 18 million people wouldnt have voted for hillary if she was pro life?
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I like the pick but it matters NONE, Obama is gauranteed to be the next President.
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so you think 18 million people wouldnt have voted for hillary if she was pro life?
no.
that wasn't my point....at all.
i simply was stating that focusing on the fact that palin is a woman, while her policies are very much in tune with mccain's...would not make her appeal to hillary voters, or pro-choice females...etc. obviously, candidates are a LOT more than simply one issue, and no...i don't think hillary would appeal to catholics necessarily pro-life or pro-choice.
I like the pick but it matters NONE, Obama is gauranteed to be the next President.
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and i REALLY wish people would stop saying that. while it was i HOPE...i do NOT think overconfidence is EVER wise.
adding palin to the ticket DOES spiff up mccain on many levels...and it is a GREAt and strategic choice. makes him appear progressive, on the surface anyway....while really choosing a candidate who supports many of his same views. very smart! as to the war, she can do MUCH to improve mccain's image, that perhaps is the biggest impact she has, so far, imo.
I like the pick but it matters NONE, Obama is gauranteed to be the next President.
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LOL. This kind of humbleness and humility is exactly why I look forward to seeing Obama lose this year. This doesn't fly in the red states. Kerry/Edwards version 2!
I am not voting republican, but truthfully I was very happy that McCain put a woman on his ticket! It was a smart move, I don't know if it will sway the female vote. I mean, atleast us women that pay attention to the issues. But good choice McCain.
This is my sentiment also. I can't vote Republican because I have principles , and I avoided the kool-aid so I'm not on the Obama train either. Picking Sarah just makes this race all the more interesting. And I might add, it only helps McCain.
The dems who are hating on Palin are just skeered.
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i grew up catholic...and beyond JFK...it seems to me the catholics i have known have always held conservative views and thus mostly republicans. i didn't expect any changes on that front in this election.
i am simply pointing to the fact that she is female, alone, really will make zero difference for most women who support choice.
and why is that? i have said from day one NO way would mccain be my candidate, so no,m nothing would change that. however, i do believe it is a-ok for me to share my opinion on him, his choice for VP, etc. again, there was 'suggestion' made that it might attract women, and/or hillary supporters...and while i never supported hillary for prez, i am a woman...and thus weighed in with why palin being a woman means nothing, it is policies that matter.
and solat...absolutely....VERY, very strategic. my very first thought.
You took it the wrong way, you obviously can share your opinion, but no matter who he chose, it didn't matter to you is all I meant, so the choice was obviously "NOt for You".
You took it the wrong way, you obviously can share your opinion, but no matter who he chose, it didn't matter to you is all I meant, so the choice was obviously "NOt for You".
well alrighty then.
bottomline...she's a very smart choice!
that's why i think many obama supporters rejoice far too soon...it's gonna be a tough race, and this just makes it that much more interesting.
Just stay away frmo MSNBC - they already had the devil horns ready to superimpose over Palin's head...
No kidding...MSNBC is the Liberal Fox News and Keith Ober-idiot is nothing more than a liberal Bill O'Reilly...it makes me sick to listen to them too long.
No kidding...MSNBC is the Liberal Fox News and Keith Ober-idiot is nothing more than a liberal Bill O'Reilly...it makes me sick to listen to them too long.
I agree 100%. Keith's ego is getting the best of him now. MSNBC looked like chumps during the DNC convention. He is putting that networks credibility on the line every night. For christ sake he wanted to take Tom Brokaw off the air...
No kidding...MSNBC is the Liberal Fox News and Keith Ober-idiot is nothing more than a liberal Bill O'Reilly...it makes me sick to listen to them too long.
Oberman, O'Reilly, Limbaugh, Hannity, etc.. have to be the biggest douche bags around. Just the near mention of them makes me want vomit. I personally found great comfort, and pleasure, in how Joe Scarsborrough went after Shuster and Oberman this week.
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bottomline...she's a very smart choice!
that's why i think many obama supporters rejoice far too soon...it's gonna be a tough race, and this just makes it that much more interesting.
As much as the media doesn't want us to believe it we do have a choice in this election. I too think this is an excellent choice because I don't believe the GOP had a chance in hell with a McCain/Romney ticket....this, I think, gives the campaign a HUGE lift.
Hmmm, I wonder how many homes Palin owns?
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and i REALLY wish people would stop saying that. while it was i HOPE...i do NOT think overconfidence is EVER wise.
Is that statement something you want to hear or see? He'll NOT get my vote or support it's just what i see here in DC. Obama will be In the White House cause it comes down to money. I love McCain's VP choice she's my kind of lady a hockey fan.
BTW I don't care for either candidate.
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i grew up catholic...and beyond JFK...it seems to me the catholics i have known have always held conservative views and thus mostly republicans. i didn't expect any changes on that front in this election.
i am simply pointing to the fact that she is female, alone, really will make zero difference for most women who support choice.
and solat...absolutely....VERY, very strategic. my very first thought.
The thing is that among Catholic registered Dems, Hillary was by far the preferred choice to Obama. Hillary got soemthing like over 70% of Catholic voters in the PA primary. Palin, being a woman and pro-life may attract a good number over to the right when the alternative is Obama who beat their first choice and Biden who like Kerry and Pelosi is another Pro-Choice Catholic.
The only thing that makes sense about this pick is her sex. Mccain looks like a desperate hypocrite today...
lol...hypocrite? Obama has been preaching change to Washington for how long? And he picks a dude to run with him that has been in Washington for 35 years?
McCain is the hypocrit for picking a conservative Governor? Where do some of you libs come up with this stuff??
As much as the media doesn't want us to believe it we do have a choice in this election. I too think this is an excellent choice because I don't believe the GOP had a chance in hell with a McCain/Romney ticket....this, I think, gives the campaign a HUGE lift.
Hmmm, I wonder how many homes Palin owns?
Considering her dad was a science teacher and her husband a commercial fisherman and oil rig worker probably not too many.
lol...hypocrite? Obama has been preaching change to Washington for how long? And he picks a dude to run with him that has been in Washington for 35 years?
McCain is the hypocrit for picking a conservative Governor? Where do some of you libs come up with this stuff??
There is nothing hypocritical about Obama picking Biden. Joe Biden is still the same man today as he was when he was first elected. He's proof that you can serve in Washington, but not be a part of the Washington culture.
Honestly, Mccain is 72 and has had health issues before. If something awful occurs, we then have a 44 year old with 2 years experience in governing Alaska (sex matters none) running our nation. How can you base your campaign on experience, then select a vp with this amount of experience?
Further back and forth a wave will break on me, today...
Honestly, Mccain is 72 and has had health issues before. If something awful occurs, we then have a 44 year old with 2 years experience in governing Alaska (sex matters none) running our nation. How can you base your campaign on experience, then select a vp with this amount of experience?
lol...hypocrite? Obama has been preaching change to Washington for how long? And he picks a dude to run with him that has been in Washington for 35 years?
McCain is the hypocrit for picking a conservative Governor? Where do some of you libs come up with this stuff??
Funny, Im about as liberal as you are. It has nothing to do with Obama, I'm not an Obama supporter. The bottom line is she has 2 years experience and if something happens to mccain she will be running our nation. That is scary to me. If Hillary wasn't involved in this election would mccain have made this vp pick? Not a shot.
Further back and forth a wave will break on me, today...
And as for any question about her experience....how long has Obama been in the game again? Yeah, he's been around the block more than a handful of times
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It was a very interesting move that now needs to shift the debate away from age/experience/insider/etc...
On both tickets are old, white, Washington insider males. On both tickets are people with vast experience. On both sides are candidates with little experience but lots of energy and enthusiasm. On both sides we find an underrepresented class of voter. On both sides we find young, good looking candidates standing next to old wrinkly men.
So hopefully we can move past the shallow analysis we've seen too much of, and start worrying about substance.
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i grew up catholic...and beyond JFK...it seems to me the catholics i have known have always held conservative views and thus mostly republicans. i didn't expect any changes on that front in this election.
i am simply pointing to the fact that she is female, alone, really will make zero difference for most women who support choice.
and why is that? i have said from day one NO way would mccain be my candidate, so no,m nothing would change that. however, i do believe it is a-ok for me to share my opinion on him, his choice for VP, etc. again, there was 'suggestion' made that it might attract women, and/or hillary supporters...and while i never supported hillary for prez, i am a woman...and thus weighed in with why palin being a woman means nothing, it is policies that matter.
and solat...absolutely....VERY, very strategic. my very first thought.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
Hey. I saw your boy Bob Huggins out the other night!
so you think 18 million people wouldnt have voted for hillary if she was pro life?
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*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
no.
that wasn't my point....at all.
i simply was stating that focusing on the fact that palin is a woman, while her policies are very much in tune with mccain's...would not make her appeal to hillary voters, or pro-choice females...etc. obviously, candidates are a LOT more than simply one issue, and no...i don't think hillary would appeal to catholics necessarily pro-life or pro-choice.
anyhooo...this thread is about palin, no?
and i REALLY wish people would stop saying that. while it was i HOPE...i do NOT think overconfidence is EVER wise.
adding palin to the ticket DOES spiff up mccain on many levels...and it is a GREAt and strategic choice. makes him appear progressive, on the surface anyway....while really choosing a candidate who supports many of his same views. very smart! as to the war, she can do MUCH to improve mccain's image, that perhaps is the biggest impact she has, so far, imo.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
LOL. This kind of humbleness and humility is exactly why I look forward to seeing Obama lose this year. This doesn't fly in the red states. Kerry/Edwards version 2!
Great choice by McCain.
This is my sentiment also. I can't vote Republican because I have principles
The dems who are hating on Palin are just skeered.
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It seems like Lube is gonna be the deciding factor in this election. just ask fanch
You took it the wrong way, you obviously can share your opinion, but no matter who he chose, it didn't matter to you is all I meant, so the choice was obviously "NOt for You".
well alrighty then.
bottomline...she's a very smart choice!
that's why i think many obama supporters rejoice far too soon...it's gonna be a tough race, and this just makes it that much more interesting.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
No kidding...MSNBC is the Liberal Fox News and Keith Ober-idiot is nothing more than a liberal Bill O'Reilly...it makes me sick to listen to them too long.
I agree 100%. Keith's ego is getting the best of him now. MSNBC looked like chumps during the DNC convention. He is putting that networks credibility on the line every night. For christ sake he wanted to take Tom Brokaw off the air...
http://www.reverbnation.com/brianzilm
Oberman, O'Reilly, Limbaugh, Hannity, etc.. have to be the biggest douche bags around. Just the near mention of them makes me want vomit. I personally found great comfort, and pleasure, in how Joe Scarsborrough went after Shuster and Oberman this week.
Hmmm, I wonder how many homes Palin owns?
They say every sin is deadly but I believe they may be wrong...I'm guilty of all seven and I don't feel too bad at all
Is that statement something you want to hear or see? He'll NOT get my vote or support it's just what i see here in DC. Obama will be In the White House cause it comes down to money. I love McCain's VP choice she's my kind of lady a hockey fan.
BTW I don't care for either candidate.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
They say every sin is deadly but I believe they may be wrong...I'm guilty of all seven and I don't feel too bad at all
The thing is that among Catholic registered Dems, Hillary was by far the preferred choice to Obama. Hillary got soemthing like over 70% of Catholic voters in the PA primary. Palin, being a woman and pro-life may attract a good number over to the right when the alternative is Obama who beat their first choice and Biden who like Kerry and Pelosi is another Pro-Choice Catholic.
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lol...hypocrite? Obama has been preaching change to Washington for how long? And he picks a dude to run with him that has been in Washington for 35 years?
McCain is the hypocrit for picking a conservative Governor? Where do some of you libs come up with this stuff??
Considering her dad was a science teacher and her husband a commercial fisherman and oil rig worker probably not too many.
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There is nothing hypocritical about Obama picking Biden. Joe Biden is still the same man today as he was when he was first elected. He's proof that you can serve in Washington, but not be a part of the Washington culture.
http://www.reverbnation.com/brianzilm
http://www.reverbnation.com/brianzilm
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=301359
And as for any question about her experience....how long has Obama been in the game again? Yeah, he's been around the block more than a handful of times
They say every sin is deadly but I believe they may be wrong...I'm guilty of all seven and I don't feel too bad at all
On both tickets are old, white, Washington insider males. On both tickets are people with vast experience. On both sides are candidates with little experience but lots of energy and enthusiasm. On both sides we find an underrepresented class of voter. On both sides we find young, good looking candidates standing next to old wrinkly men.
So hopefully we can move past the shallow analysis we've seen too much of, and start worrying about substance.