Wow. This is the first time on this board that I've ever gotten flustered from a post and the first time I've ever responded with hostilit! It's comments like that, that give the Synergy Board a bad name. Why even stir shit up? I hope using that bandwidth was worth it!
Phew! Anyway, if someone tells me how to move the thread... I will.
Yes I know you are that starved for attention. No need to state the obvious.
Nope, it's threads like yours and all the other countless ones (i.e. Pics where Ed looks hot, the threads where people just post lyrics to a song, etc.) that give this board a bad name. Instead of discussion that is intelligent and of the caliber of the band represented by this board, people start threads on every small detail of their life. Or they start a thread about a very controversial political topic and say they don't want political discussion about it. Very smart.
I hope you mean RE-move the thread and not just move it.
I look forward to your next "response with hostilt".
Wow. Women who have sex should be made to suffer? Illegal abortions don't kill women? Feminists are akin to Nazis, badly hate men, and don't have sex?
You're a teacher, right? Is this the kind of misinformation, hatred, and close-mindednenss you bring to your classroom? Just the thought of someone with this attitude teaching my future children makes me want to abort them for their own protection.
First off, I do not bring my political views into the classroom as liberals everywhere do.
Second, there is no hate in my views, just common sense. The abortion movement has nothing to do with taking away choice from women. What about the choice of the child that was conceived by someone's immature actions?
Thirdly, feminazis is a common expression; I'm not saying they are like nazis, but we all know tons of them are against men in any form.
Fourthly, I have studied the issues over many years and have come to these conclusions. Typical argument from liberals: if you do not agree with them then you are hate-filled and close-minded. I am so sick and tired of this crap. Liberals taught free speech, but they are completely against it when it comes from a different side.
The only anti-abortion rally I ever saw was at a college and some people did have signs with aborted fetuses. I had no problem with this because it showed the side people do not want to see and what the problem is really about, not choice. However, the poor people were lamblasted and threatened and had violence perpetrated against them because they happened to say something different than the brain-washed college kids thought. Every other demonstration I ever saw was women's rights, gay rights, etc. etc. by liberals every day. Conservatives get absolutely no say on college campuses. And you say the Christian kids are brain-washed? Go to any college campus and that's where you will find the brain-washing.
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First off, I do not bring my political views into the classroom as liberals everywhere do.
Second, there is no hate in my views, just common sense. The abortion movement has nothing to do with taking away choice from women. What about the choice of the child that was conceived by someone's immature actions?
Thirdly, feminazis is a common expression; I'm not saying they are like nazis, but we all know tons of them are against men in any form.
Fourthly, I have studied the issues over many years and have come to these conclusions. Typical argument from liberals: if you do not agree with them then you are hate-filled and close-minded. I am so sick and tired of this crap. Liberals taught free speech, but they are completely against it when it comes from a different side.
The only anti-abortion rally I ever saw was at a college and some people did have signs with aborted fetuses. I had no problem with this because it showed the side people do not want to see and what the problem is really about, not choice. However, the poor people were lamblasted and threatened and had violence perpetrated against them because they happened to say something different than the brain-washed college kids thought. Every other demonstration I ever saw was women's rights, gay rights, etc. etc. by liberals every day. Conservatives get absolutely no say on college campuses. And you say the Christian kids are brain-washed? Go to any college campus and that's where you will find the brain-washing.
First off, I do not bring my political views into the classroom as liberals everywhere do.
Second, there is no hate in my views, just common sense. The abortion movement has nothing to do with taking away choice from women. What about the choice of the child that was conceived by someone's immature actions?
Thirdly, feminazis is a common expression; I'm not saying they are like nazis, but we all know tons of them are against men in any form.
Fourthly, I have studied the issues over many years and have come to these conclusions. Typical argument from liberals: if you do not agree with them then you are hate-filled and close-minded. I am so sick and tired of this crap. Liberals taught free speech, but they are completely against it when it comes from a different side.
The only anti-abortion rally I ever saw was at a college and some people did have signs with aborted fetuses. I had no problem with this because it showed the side people do not want to see and what the problem is really about, not choice. However, the poor people were lamblasted and threatened and had violence perpetrated against them because they happened to say something different than the brain-washed college kids thought. Every other demonstration I ever saw was women's rights, gay rights, etc. etc. by liberals every day. Conservatives get absolutely no say on college campuses. And you say the Christian kids are brain-washed? Go to any college campus and that's where you will find the brain-washing.
Isnt Derek Fishers Daughter kinda a baby? I mean she's only a couple of years old, has she passed that cute phase for you that a few months ago you wished death to her due to some Bull shit sports issue you have with her father
I really hate to bring this shit up, but a bunch of us were in a sports thread on ET, and out of fuckin no where you hit all of us with complete hatred
When it comes to abortion, if you dont like it...preach to people around you not to have one, leave the rest of us alone...Its the law of the land
only anti-abortion rally I ever saw was at a college and some people did have signs with aborted fetuses. I had no problem with this because it showed the side people do not want to see and what the problem is really about, not choice.
You do realize that the majority of abortions (VAST MAJORITY!) are not performed on fetuses that are like 6 months (like the ones in the photos.) Yes?
You are aware of this... No?
You do know the writings of Plato and Socrates both indicate they were both "pro-choice."
You do know that when the founding fathers made the laws in the US... originally... it was legal to abort a pregnancy up until "quickening."
Want to see some pictures of kids in foster care? Kids that were carried to term by mothers that didn't want them and treated them as such before they were even born?
Kids born with multiple congenital anomolies... and placed into foster care...
And/Or beaten and treated like shit because NO ONE wants them. They were unwanted before they were even born. Nice way to live, HUH? Addicted kids born to addicts?
Back alley abortions gone wrong?!?!
WHETHER LEGAL OR NOT SAFE ABORTIONS WILL ALWAYS BE AVAILABLE TO THE RICH.
and how can people be anti-war yet pro-baby killing.
Either way- its a huge stretch to post this in the PJ music forum - goto the political one with this crap..
How can you call an abortion 'baby killing'? You make it out to be a savage act of violence against a child. It really is not. It's a mere cancellation.
Contraceptive services, reproductive freedom and personal responsibility must be considered in my opinion.
I hope you mean RE-move the thread and not just move it.
I look forward to your next "response with hostilt".
Man, if this is the worst thing that happens to you all day... you have a damn good life!
I'm sure you do look forward to my next "response with hostilt" because that's all you do is look for things to argue about on a message board that don't even matter. Why are you arguing with me about which forum to post this in and not even making good use of your time and arguing about the topic that everyone else is... which actually IS important. (not that that was my intentions of this thread).
Maybe you're right, this thread about "hey remember MTV Unplugged" IS a waste of time. I think I'll go donate to St. Jude's Children's Hospital like that other active thread. Surely no one has anything to argue about there!
But I asked someone to help me MOVE this thread to the political forum or even RE-MOVE like you suggested... but sorry... I'm not familiar with how to do that. So stop being an asshole, report me to the mods, and get the thread canned already! I don't give a fuck. It's 3 days old now and I didn't think it would generate this kind of response. (especially such a petty one from you)
By the way... good job pointing out my spelling mistake. It really showed people who the smarter of the 2 of us is!
I have fat thumbs. I was typing on my iPhone. (would you like to insult me for that too?)
Also a lot of pro life people are pro death penalty...
Ya, how crazy? We should kill the innocent, save the guilty! That makes even more sense. While we are at it why don't we set free the guilty and let them kill children. You are so right, a pro death society would be great.
On second thought, why don't we embrace what is good in this world? This would be life. Abortion and the death penalty are both EVIL. The Pro life/ pro death penalty people are half wrong, just like you.
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Apparantly you haven't passed a "Nondenomenational church" lately.
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The "Control Women" agitators were there during the Vote for Change tour. In Reading PA they were there shouting in anger and spewing venom about Pearl Jam. They hate Pearl Jam because they are "Pro Choice".
It's a great read. Very helpful in dominating a misguided liberal in a debate.
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Pro life is a misnomer. It should be called the "Control Women's Bodies (and women) Movement". Next they will require burkas. Then we will have to worship at their churches.
Ya, because my top priority in life is dominating your body. I really don't care about saving an innocent life from becoming another victim in a pointless genocide. Ya, just to control you. Definitely, that's it.
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I would say that "pro-life" is a misnomer because it doesn't address the real issue of the debate, which is whether a woman should have a choice regardless of someone else's opinion. I think "anti-choice" is a more appropriate name for a movement that is trying to set itself up in opposition to the pro-choice movement.
Your use of the word "debate" is a misnomer then because what you call a debate is "hey, i'm going to frame the world according to my view."
The real truth here is that pro-choice/pro-abortion people say the issue is the womens choice of killing what she started in her body (yeah, I'm throwing my bias in here since everyone else is).
The anti-choice/anti-abortion people say the issue is that if the child is alive in the womb than its essentially murder. It's as much a choice as walking down the street killing people...
And I LOVE how you want to use anti-choice but would probably scream bloody murder when someone says its not pro-choice but pro-baby murder.
ps. why is this thread still here? It has as much to do with Pearl Jam as my dogs stool. I'd be happy to post threads on that too, if you'd all like.
YES, Stop justifying your wrong through extreme hypotheticals. Your rare examples have dominated the debate for years. At the end of the day, you are killing innocence. This isn't a grey issue.
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here. let me post...guaranteed to be locked or moved or deleted shortly thereafter because that's what happens whenever i respond....
anyways...
for those who are against abortion, please humor me and convince me that you have spent some time in a children's home, a foster care facility, a juvenile detention center, anyplace where unwanted kids are housed. tell me you have sat with a child suffering from fetal alcohol syndrome or a child who has been blinded or crippled from shaken baby syndrome. tell me you willingly changed their diapers, wiped their drool, calmed their fears, stroked their cheek, and felt their incredible desire to be wanted and loved. have you done that? have you honestly and earnestly given your time and attention to kids who are already here? once you do that on a regular, consistent basis, THEN you can worry about the ones who aren't even on the planet.
and to the pro-life men who picket and force their 5 year old daughters to hold up a sign they can't even read or understand at a rally, consider this scenario: if there was a way to implant the fetus of a woman who chooses to have an abortion in *your* abdomen and you could then carry it to term and birth it and raise it, would you line up with your hand raised ready to take on that responsibility? doubt it.
the catholic church lost my vote long before the day they turned and looked the other way at the priests who were molesting children. there is and never will be an excuse or explanation for that. as much as they try, there is no cross big enough for them to hide behind. and don't even get me started on the 'natural family planning' they are promoting. puhleeeeze.
pro-choice is not pro-abortion, plain and simple.
take care of the kids that are here......
take care of the kids that are here......
take care of the kids that are here......
and....for what it's worth....from the late, great george carlin:
"Why...why...why...why...why...why is it that most of the people who are against abortion are people you wouldn't wanna f--- in the first place? Boy, these conservatives are really something, aren't they? They're all in favor of the unborn; they will do anything for the unborn. But once you're born, you're on your own. Pro-life conservatives are obsessed with the fetus from conception to nine months. After that they don't wanna know about you! They don't wanna hear from you. No nothin'! No pre-natal care, no daycare, no headstart, no school lunch, no food stamps, no welfare, no nothin'---if you're preborn, you're fine...if you're preschool, you're f
! Conservatives don't give a s--- about you until you reach...Military Age! Then they think you are just fine, just what they've been lookin' for. Conservatives want live babies so they can raise 'em to be dead soldiers. Pro-life..pro-life...these people aren't pro-life, they're killing doctors! What kinda pro-life is that? What, they'll do anything they can to save a fetus, but if it grows up to be a doctor they just might have to kill it? They're not pro-life. You know what they are? They're anti-woman. Simple as it gets: anti-woman. They don't like 'em. They don't like women. They believe a woman's primary role is to function as a brood-mare for the state. Pro-life...you don't see any of these white, anti-abortion women volunteering to have any black fetuses transplanted into their uteruses, do you? No, you don't see 'em adopting a whole lotta crack babies, do you? No...that might be something "Christ" would do."
"Can I ask you a question?" (.....you just did.....)
YES, Stop justifying your wrong through extreme hypotheticals. Your rare examples have dominated the debate for years. At the end of the day, you are killing innocence. This isn't a grey issue.
You claim to care about innocence but make it seem like you don't give one damn about women once they have a fetus in their bodies. Not everything is as black as white as you think it is.
Rare examples?
From RAINN (Rape, Abuse, and Incest National Network)
"1 out of every 6 American women have been the victims of an attempted or completed rape in their lifetime (14.8% completed rape; 2.8% attempted rape)"
"17.7 million American women have been victims of attempted or completed rape."
"Pregnancies Resulting from Rape
In 2004-2005, 64,080 women were raped. According to medical reports, the incidence of pregnancy for one-time unprotected sexual intercourse is 5%. By applying the pregnancy rate to 64,080 women, RAINN estimates that there were 3,204 pregnancies as a result of rape during that period.
This calculation does not account for the following factors which could lower the actual number of pregnancies:
* Rape, as defined by the NCVS, is forced sexual intercourse. Forced sexual intercourse means vaginal, oral, or anal penetration by offender(s). This category includes incidents where the penetration is from a foreign object such as a bottle. Certain types of rape under this definition cannot cause pregnancy.
* Some victims of rape may be utilizing birth control methods, such as the pill, which will prevent pregnancy.
* Some rapists may wear condoms in an effort to avoid DNA detection.
* Vicims of rape may not be able to become pregnant for medical or age-related reasons.
This calculation does not account for the following factors which could raise the actual number of pregnancies:
* Medical estimates of a 5% pregnancy rate are for one-time, unprotected sexual intercourse. Some victimizations may include multiple incidents of intercourse.
* Because of methodology, NCVS does not measure the victimization of Americans age 12 or younger. Rapes of these young people could results in pregnancies not accounted for in RAINN's estimates."
We can throw at each other propaganda numbers all day. Your hypotheticals smudge out the millions of babies that are killed, because of irresponsible people that resist to take responsibilty for their own actions. In order to protect the women who are raped (which is noble) that need thousads of abortions, you open up abortion for millions of others.
Also, If Roe v. Wade is ever overturned (which it eventually will be) there will be exceptions for rape and incest. So you are wasting your time. Rape victims will ALWAYS have access to abortions. I don't really agree with that, but that is reality. A life is a life. (still not grey).
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We can throw at each other propaganda numbers all day. Your hypotheticals smudge out the millions of babies that are killed, because of irresponsible people that resist to take responsibilty for their own actions. In order to protect the women who are raped (which is noble) that need thousads of abortions, you open up abortion for millions of others.
Also, If Roe v. Wade is ever overturned (which it eventually will be) there will be exceptions for rape and incest. So you are wasting your time. Rape victims will ALWAYS have access to abortions. I don't really agree with that, but that is reality. A life is a life. (still not grey).
There not propaganda numbers. They didn't come from an abortion website at all. They came from a website that gives detailed numbers and stats on sexual abuse in america. Numbers backed up by the US government. The only one throwing propaganda is you.
There not propaganda numbers. They didn't come from an abortion website at all. They came from a website that gives detailed numbers and stats on sexual abuse in america. Numbers backed up by the US government. The only one throwing propaganda is you.
Nobody posts numbers on a website without an agenda. The 1 in 6 number is way off. Has one every six women in your family been raped? Has one of every 6 of your friends been raped? Lets say the average rapist commits two rapes. Has 1 in every twelve guys committed a rape? It is an estimate made up by Feminazis.
I have great sympathy for those who are raped. Don't use their suffering for your agenda.
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Nobody posts numbers on a website without an agenda. The 1 in 6 number is way off. Has one every six women in your family been raped? Has one of every 6 of your friends been raped? Lets say the average rapist commits two rapes. Has 1 in every twelve guys committed a rape? It is an estimate made up by Feminazis.
I have great sympathy for those who are raped. Don't use their suffering for your agenda.
Believe what you will. You're so off your rocker and naive you won't be convinced otherwise anyway. Don't pay attention to the actual number that are backed up but actual data (which is a hell of a lot more than you've produce thus far, other than your ramblings about millions of babies being killed).
By the way, my mother was sexually abused, my aunt was sexually abused, and one of my grandmothers was sexually abused. So yea, the numbers are just pulled out of thin air.
By the way, my mother was sexually abused, my aunt was sexually abused, and one of my grandmothers was sexually abused. So yea, the numbers are just pulled out of thin air.
Not to mention the huge number of women who never tell anyone they were sexually abused.
Nobody posts numbers on a website without an agenda. The 1 in 6 number is way off. Has one every six women in your family been raped? Has one of every 6 of your friends been raped? Lets say the average rapist commits two rapes. Has 1 in every twelve guys committed a rape? It is an estimate made up by Feminazis.
Many women and girls don't tell anyone when they have been sexually abused...
And women who are sexually abused GENERALLY don't tell people who call rape statistics propaganda!!!!!
Of course you don't know people that have been sexually abused and raped.
And another one who uses the word FEMINAZI?
Keep telling yourself you're a good person because you think abortion is wrong.
Nobody posts numbers on a website without an agenda. The 1 in 6 number is way off. Has one every six women in your family been raped? Has one of every 6 of your friends been raped? Lets say the average rapist commits two rapes. Has 1 in every twelve guys committed a rape? It is an estimate made up by Feminazis.
I have great sympathy for those who are raped. Don't use their suffering for your agenda.
I find this post to be extremely interesting because I've never heard of anyone trying to deny that 1 in 6 women is a victim of sexual assault. Do you have any actual data with sources to refute this?
I find this post to be extremely interesting because I've never heard of anyone trying to deny that 1 in 6 women is a victim of sexual assault. Do you have any actual data with sources to refute this?
And he sounds really REALLY ridiculously clueless when he says...
We can throw at each other propaganda numbers all day. Your hypotheticals smudge out the millions of babies that are killed, because of irresponsible people that resist to take responsibilty for their own actions. In order to protect the women who are raped (which is noble) that need thousads of abortions, you open up abortion for millions of others.
Also, If Roe v. Wade is ever overturned (which it eventually will be) there will be exceptions for rape and incest. So you are wasting your time. Rape victims will ALWAYS have access to abortions. I don't really agree with that, but that is reality. A life is a life. (still not grey).
True - a life is a life. And we can debate at what point an embryo becomes a life. And we can debate whether it's okay to take away someone's choice to live (e.g. terrorists and prisoners).
But what I haven't heard explained at all is why, even if it is a life, we shouldn't abort a fetus. It has no free will so we wouldn't be denying its choice. I've heard lots of talk about a fetus being innocent (as opposed to those who are guilty who, many argue, we should kill against their wishes). But saying we have no good reason to kill it still does not provide a reason to not kill it.
Death is a part of life. Embryos die every day, by the millions. Most embryos were never meant to continue living. Everything dies. And we are party to killing much of it. How is aborting a human fetus any different? From where do people get the idea that maintaining human fetal life at all cost is the appropriate goal?
Death is a part of life. Embryos die every day, by the millions. Most embryos were never meant to continue living. Everything dies. And we are party to killing much of it. How is aborting a human fetus any different? From where do people get the idea that maintaining human fetal life at all cost is the appropriate goal?
Spoken as a true liberal I guess - there's no need for personal responsibility...
Wow... that is such an awful statement I can't quite figure out how to respond.
Yes, some fetuses/embryos will die from miscarriages, etc. But that's like saying since millions die from cancer we should just go around killing people.
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Abortion is legal. You don't have to like it, but thats that.
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Yes I know you are that starved for attention. No need to state the obvious.
Nope, it's threads like yours and all the other countless ones (i.e. Pics where Ed looks hot, the threads where people just post lyrics to a song, etc.) that give this board a bad name. Instead of discussion that is intelligent and of the caliber of the band represented by this board, people start threads on every small detail of their life. Or they start a thread about a very controversial political topic and say they don't want political discussion about it. Very smart.
I hope you mean RE-move the thread and not just move it.
I look forward to your next "response with hostilt".
Second, there is no hate in my views, just common sense. The abortion movement has nothing to do with taking away choice from women. What about the choice of the child that was conceived by someone's immature actions?
Thirdly, feminazis is a common expression; I'm not saying they are like nazis, but we all know tons of them are against men in any form.
Fourthly, I have studied the issues over many years and have come to these conclusions. Typical argument from liberals: if you do not agree with them then you are hate-filled and close-minded. I am so sick and tired of this crap. Liberals taught free speech, but they are completely against it when it comes from a different side.
The only anti-abortion rally I ever saw was at a college and some people did have signs with aborted fetuses. I had no problem with this because it showed the side people do not want to see and what the problem is really about, not choice. However, the poor people were lamblasted and threatened and had violence perpetrated against them because they happened to say something different than the brain-washed college kids thought. Every other demonstration I ever saw was women's rights, gay rights, etc. etc. by liberals every day. Conservatives get absolutely no say on college campuses. And you say the Christian kids are brain-washed? Go to any college campus and that's where you will find the brain-washing.
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So, are all abortions wrong no matter what?
Isnt Derek Fishers Daughter kinda a baby? I mean she's only a couple of years old, has she passed that cute phase for you that a few months ago you wished death to her due to some Bull shit sports issue you have with her father
I really hate to bring this shit up, but a bunch of us were in a sports thread on ET, and out of fuckin no where you hit all of us with complete hatred
When it comes to abortion, if you dont like it...preach to people around you not to have one, leave the rest of us alone...Its the law of the land
WRONG. Feminazi is not a common expression. Maybe among misogynists it is. Maybe in Vermont it is. (?) But in the rest of the world...NO...
You do realize that the majority of abortions (VAST MAJORITY!) are not performed on fetuses that are like 6 months (like the ones in the photos.) Yes?
You are aware of this... No?
You do know the writings of Plato and Socrates both indicate they were both "pro-choice."
You do know that when the founding fathers made the laws in the US... originally... it was legal to abort a pregnancy up until "quickening."
Want to see some pictures of kids in foster care? Kids that were carried to term by mothers that didn't want them and treated them as such before they were even born?
Kids born with multiple congenital anomolies... and placed into foster care...
And/Or beaten and treated like shit because NO ONE wants them. They were unwanted before they were even born. Nice way to live, HUH? Addicted kids born to addicts?
Back alley abortions gone wrong?!?!
WHETHER LEGAL OR NOT SAFE ABORTIONS WILL ALWAYS BE AVAILABLE TO THE RICH.
IF YOU ARE AGAINST ABORTION....DON'T HAVE ONE.
How can you call an abortion 'baby killing'? You make it out to be a savage act of violence against a child. It really is not. It's a mere cancellation.
Contraceptive services, reproductive freedom and personal responsibility must be considered in my opinion.
Man, if this is the worst thing that happens to you all day... you have a damn good life!
I'm sure you do look forward to my next "response with hostilt" because that's all you do is look for things to argue about on a message board that don't even matter. Why are you arguing with me about which forum to post this in and not even making good use of your time and arguing about the topic that everyone else is... which actually IS important. (not that that was my intentions of this thread).
Maybe you're right, this thread about "hey remember MTV Unplugged" IS a waste of time. I think I'll go donate to St. Jude's Children's Hospital like that other active thread. Surely no one has anything to argue about there!
But I asked someone to help me MOVE this thread to the political forum or even RE-MOVE like you suggested... but sorry... I'm not familiar with how to do that. So stop being an asshole, report me to the mods, and get the thread canned already! I don't give a fuck. It's 3 days old now and I didn't think it would generate this kind of response. (especially such a petty one from you)
By the way... good job pointing out my spelling mistake. It really showed people who the smarter of the 2 of us is!
I have fat thumbs. I was typing on my iPhone. (would you like to insult me for that too?)
Ya, how crazy? We should kill the innocent, save the guilty! That makes even more sense. While we are at it why don't we set free the guilty and let them kill children. You are so right, a pro death society would be great.
On second thought, why don't we embrace what is good in this world? This would be life. Abortion and the death penalty are both EVIL. The Pro life/ pro death penalty people are half wrong, just like you.
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Apparantly you haven't passed a "Nondenomenational church" lately.
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It's a great read. Very helpful in dominating a misguided liberal in a debate.
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Ya, because my top priority in life is dominating your body. I really don't care about saving an innocent life from becoming another victim in a pointless genocide. Ya, just to control you. Definitely, that's it.
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The real truth here is that pro-choice/pro-abortion people say the issue is the womens choice of killing what she started in her body (yeah, I'm throwing my bias in here since everyone else is).
The anti-choice/anti-abortion people say the issue is that if the child is alive in the womb than its essentially murder. It's as much a choice as walking down the street killing people...
And I LOVE how you want to use anti-choice but would probably scream bloody murder when someone says its not pro-choice but pro-baby murder.
ps. why is this thread still here? It has as much to do with Pearl Jam as my dogs stool. I'd be happy to post threads on that too, if you'd all like.
YES, Stop justifying your wrong through extreme hypotheticals. Your rare examples have dominated the debate for years. At the end of the day, you are killing innocence. This isn't a grey issue.
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anyways...
for those who are against abortion, please humor me and convince me that you have spent some time in a children's home, a foster care facility, a juvenile detention center, anyplace where unwanted kids are housed. tell me you have sat with a child suffering from fetal alcohol syndrome or a child who has been blinded or crippled from shaken baby syndrome. tell me you willingly changed their diapers, wiped their drool, calmed their fears, stroked their cheek, and felt their incredible desire to be wanted and loved. have you done that? have you honestly and earnestly given your time and attention to kids who are already here? once you do that on a regular, consistent basis, THEN you can worry about the ones who aren't even on the planet.
and to the pro-life men who picket and force their 5 year old daughters to hold up a sign they can't even read or understand at a rally, consider this scenario: if there was a way to implant the fetus of a woman who chooses to have an abortion in *your* abdomen and you could then carry it to term and birth it and raise it, would you line up with your hand raised ready to take on that responsibility? doubt it.
the catholic church lost my vote long before the day they turned and looked the other way at the priests who were molesting children. there is and never will be an excuse or explanation for that. as much as they try, there is no cross big enough for them to hide behind. and don't even get me started on the 'natural family planning' they are promoting. puhleeeeze.
pro-choice is not pro-abortion, plain and simple.
take care of the kids that are here......
take care of the kids that are here......
take care of the kids that are here......
and....for what it's worth....from the late, great george carlin:
"Why...why...why...why...why...why is it that most of the people who are against abortion are people you wouldn't wanna f--- in the first place? Boy, these conservatives are really something, aren't they? They're all in favor of the unborn; they will do anything for the unborn. But once you're born, you're on your own. Pro-life conservatives are obsessed with the fetus from conception to nine months. After that they don't wanna know about you! They don't wanna hear from you. No nothin'! No pre-natal care, no daycare, no headstart, no school lunch, no food stamps, no welfare, no nothin'---if you're preborn, you're fine...if you're preschool, you're f
! Conservatives don't give a s--- about you until you reach...Military Age! Then they think you are just fine, just what they've been lookin' for. Conservatives want live babies so they can raise 'em to be dead soldiers. Pro-life..pro-life...these people aren't pro-life, they're killing doctors! What kinda pro-life is that? What, they'll do anything they can to save a fetus, but if it grows up to be a doctor they just might have to kill it? They're not pro-life. You know what they are? They're anti-woman. Simple as it gets: anti-woman. They don't like 'em. They don't like women. They believe a woman's primary role is to function as a brood-mare for the state. Pro-life...you don't see any of these white, anti-abortion women volunteering to have any black fetuses transplanted into their uteruses, do you? No, you don't see 'em adopting a whole lotta crack babies, do you? No...that might be something "Christ" would do."
You claim to care about innocence but make it seem like you don't give one damn about women once they have a fetus in their bodies. Not everything is as black as white as you think it is.
Rare examples?
From RAINN (Rape, Abuse, and Incest National Network)
"1 out of every 6 American women have been the victims of an attempted or completed rape in their lifetime (14.8% completed rape; 2.8% attempted rape)"
"17.7 million American women have been victims of attempted or completed rape."
"Pregnancies Resulting from Rape
In 2004-2005, 64,080 women were raped. According to medical reports, the incidence of pregnancy for one-time unprotected sexual intercourse is 5%. By applying the pregnancy rate to 64,080 women, RAINN estimates that there were 3,204 pregnancies as a result of rape during that period.
This calculation does not account for the following factors which could lower the actual number of pregnancies:
* Rape, as defined by the NCVS, is forced sexual intercourse. Forced sexual intercourse means vaginal, oral, or anal penetration by offender(s). This category includes incidents where the penetration is from a foreign object such as a bottle. Certain types of rape under this definition cannot cause pregnancy.
* Some victims of rape may be utilizing birth control methods, such as the pill, which will prevent pregnancy.
* Some rapists may wear condoms in an effort to avoid DNA detection.
* Vicims of rape may not be able to become pregnant for medical or age-related reasons.
This calculation does not account for the following factors which could raise the actual number of pregnancies:
* Medical estimates of a 5% pregnancy rate are for one-time, unprotected sexual intercourse. Some victimizations may include multiple incidents of intercourse.
* Because of methodology, NCVS does not measure the victimization of Americans age 12 or younger. Rapes of these young people could results in pregnancies not accounted for in RAINN's estimates."
http://www.rainn.org/get-information/statistics/sexual-assault-victims
Also, If Roe v. Wade is ever overturned (which it eventually will be) there will be exceptions for rape and incest. So you are wasting your time. Rape victims will ALWAYS have access to abortions. I don't really agree with that, but that is reality. A life is a life. (still not grey).
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There not propaganda numbers. They didn't come from an abortion website at all. They came from a website that gives detailed numbers and stats on sexual abuse in america. Numbers backed up by the US government. The only one throwing propaganda is you.
Nobody posts numbers on a website without an agenda. The 1 in 6 number is way off. Has one every six women in your family been raped? Has one of every 6 of your friends been raped? Lets say the average rapist commits two rapes. Has 1 in every twelve guys committed a rape? It is an estimate made up by Feminazis.
I have great sympathy for those who are raped. Don't use their suffering for your agenda.
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I do have a damn good life. Pointing out your stupidity has made it even better.
Believe what you will. You're so off your rocker and naive you won't be convinced otherwise anyway. Don't pay attention to the actual number that are backed up but actual data (which is a hell of a lot more than you've produce thus far, other than your ramblings about millions of babies being killed).
By the way, my mother was sexually abused, my aunt was sexually abused, and one of my grandmothers was sexually abused. So yea, the numbers are just pulled out of thin air.
Not to mention the huge number of women who never tell anyone they were sexually abused.
Many women and girls don't tell anyone when they have been sexually abused...
And women who are sexually abused GENERALLY don't tell people who call rape statistics propaganda!!!!!
Of course you don't know people that have been sexually abused and raped.
And another one who uses the word FEMINAZI?
Keep telling yourself you're a good person because you think abortion is wrong.
You really sound like a twisted individual.
Best of luck. Really....
I find this post to be extremely interesting because I've never heard of anyone trying to deny that 1 in 6 women is a victim of sexual assault. Do you have any actual data with sources to refute this?
And he sounds really REALLY ridiculously clueless when he says...
"Let's say the average rapist commits two rapes."
WTF???
The average rapist?
True - a life is a life. And we can debate at what point an embryo becomes a life. And we can debate whether it's okay to take away someone's choice to live (e.g. terrorists and prisoners).
But what I haven't heard explained at all is why, even if it is a life, we shouldn't abort a fetus. It has no free will so we wouldn't be denying its choice. I've heard lots of talk about a fetus being innocent (as opposed to those who are guilty who, many argue, we should kill against their wishes). But saying we have no good reason to kill it still does not provide a reason to not kill it.
Death is a part of life. Embryos die every day, by the millions. Most embryos were never meant to continue living. Everything dies. And we are party to killing much of it. How is aborting a human fetus any different? From where do people get the idea that maintaining human fetal life at all cost is the appropriate goal?
I was going to point that out but I couldn't make enough sense of it to comment.
Wow... that is such an awful statement I can't quite figure out how to respond.
Yes, some fetuses/embryos will die from miscarriages, etc. But that's like saying since millions die from cancer we should just go around killing people.
Only in an Obamatopia, I guess.