Iowa court rules same-sex couples can marry

deadnothingbetter

OutOfBreath wrote:

Ah forget it. My main beef was anyway this statement here (and the ones like it):

It is always, always wrong to infer such large scale studies down to the personal level in any way. What a big statistic study shows as mean and average tendencies does nothing to you or yours in particular. And, in this case, what was measured was average tendencies for children with different types of parents and how well they adjusted on various scales. If there are tendencies of ethnicity (like your mexican example), doesn't mean that everyone becoming mexican would soilve anything. Gay parents being better on average does not mean that everyone should have gay parents. This is a type of mistake that is one of the first kinds you learn in social sciences. They go like this:
1. Because one person can do it, everyone can do it.
2. If an average or tendency say most people do it, means that you do it.

Both if these are wrong.

And dont mess with me on this, I am teaching method in social sciences at the university right now.

And further, you seemed to imply that being compared with gays were an insult in itself ie. gays suck, if they are better at something, than those being beaten must then suck harder.

Now if you can see what my main objections here have been, then we can probably lay this to rest, as I dont think we disagree that much anyway.

Peace
Dan

yeah, of course, you're telling me. don't worry, it's not affecting you. it should never affect you personally, so we're both on the same page here. not really. but it doesn't matter anyways.

the thing is that if they are saying that on AVERAGE gay parenting can be better than straight parenting...... i don't know, man.... sounds kinda fishy.

but like i said before.... i can agree that gay parents can actually raise a child better than a straight couple.... afterall, there are many straight couples who cheat on each other, are abusive to each other, etc. so i can understand taht. but my problem is when the title makes it sound as if it's saying that gay parenting is much more beneficial than straight parenting (on average). see what i'm saying?

OutOfBreath

deadnothingbetter wrote:

yeah, of course, you're telling me. don't worry, it's not affecting you. it should never affect you personally, so we're both on the same page here. not really. but it doesn't matter anyways.

Yes, and more specifically, such studies cannot be reduced to individuals, unless the individuals were part of the study.

the thing is that if they are saying that on AVERAGE gay parenting can be better than straight parenting...... i don't know, man.... sounds kinda fishy.

Which is what the study found at a very small degree. Doesn't mean that it is definitely the way it is, but this study indicates that it is so in this particular case(s). More studies would be needed to back it up if we're gonna accept it as the truth, yes. No reason to question motives and attitudes when presenting results from a study that shows what it shows.

but like i said before.... i can agree that gay parents can actually raise a child better than a straight couple.... afterall, there are many straight couples who cheat on each other, are abusive to each other, etc. so i can understand taht. but my problem is when the title makes it sound as if it's saying that gay parenting is much more beneficial than straight parenting (on average). see what i'm saying?

And since the study slightly supports that position, it is sortof justified. (Although it should be no surprise that headlines are usually juiced up to get attention.) What it definitely shows is that kids with gay parents are not worse off on average in a large sample, than "regular" kids.

I'm still open as to how it really hangs together, my theory would also be little difference. But this study shows what it shows, even though it may not be the full truth, that would need more studies.

Peace
Dan

deadnothingbetter

OutOfBreath wrote:

Yes, and more specifically, such studies cannot be reduced to individuals, unless the individuals were part of the study.

so they why even bother taking into consideration any type of studies? doesn't make sense.

Which is what the study found at a very small degree. Doesn't mean that it is definitely the way it is, but this study indicates that it is so in this particular case(s). More studies would be needed to back it up if we're gonna accept it as the truth, yes. No reason to question motives and attitudes when presenting results from a study that shows what it shows.

it's just common sense.... we don't even need to rely on studies. fuck the studies. why not just realize that in reality anybody, gay/single/straight/couple have the potential of raising children right? i've always believed that.

take single parents in this case.... they too are capable of raising children just as good as couples can, whether straight/gay.

And since the study slightly supports that position, it is sortof justified. (Although it should be no surprise that headlines are usually juiced up to get attention.) What it definitely shows is that kids with gay parents are not worse off on average in a large sample, than "regular" kids.

that's all i'm saying

I'm still open as to how it really hangs together, my theory would also be little difference. But this study shows what it shows, even though it may not be the full truth, that would need more studies.

ok

Peace
Dan

ahhh.... whatever... j/k

OutOfBreath

deadnothingbetter wrote:

so they why even bother taking into consideration any type of studies? doesn't make sense.

Because it says something about the large scale of things. It says something about populations, not individuals.

But I think we're done now. We dont really disagree. I am just trying to drive home how statistics work. I can't help myself, I teach the stuff after all.

Peace
Dan

RolandTD20Kdrummer

forget about who likes who...

live your own live...

again...

live your own life...

worry about what you do, and what you do to improve it.

Don't point to other people in order to belittle them in order to justify your own shortcomings in life.

fuckers...

yeah fuckers... don't be one...

smarten up...

Think about it. So...you're perfect?

My ass you are...

like anybody is....

deadnothingbetter

OutOfBreath wrote:

Because it says something about the large scale of things. It says something about populations, not individuals.

But I think we're done now. We dont really disagree. I am just trying to drive home how statistics work. I can't help myself, I teach the stuff after all.

Peace
Dan

ok

decides2dream

deadnothingbetter wrote:

so they why even bother taking into consideration any type of studies? doesn't make sense.

it's just common sense.... we don't even need to rely on studies. fuck the studies. why not just realize that in reality anybody, gay/single/straight/couple have the potential of raising children right? i've always believed that.

take single parents in this case.... they too are capable of raising children just as good as couples can, whether straight/gay.

that's all i'm saying

ok

ahhh.... whatever... j/k

evidently you don't even read our little MT all that much if you say that. why? b/c there will always be people who *disapprove* of others' lifestyles, why? fuck if i know...but they do...and they will take any/all ammunition they can to use against said 'different' groups...so then we need studies to prove the obvious, as you state...it IS common sense. sadly, it is quite uncommon, this common sense....:p....since all too many like to state their OPINION...such as homosexuals providing a poor home environment....as FACT. thus, we get studies to PROVE otherwise, to combat those with not too much common sense. sad, but true.

fanch75

Original article at:
http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.wordpress.com/2008/03/14/88-having-gay-friends/

"Stuff White People Like"

#88 Having Gay Friends
March 14, 2008 by clander

If white people could draft friends the way that the NFL drafts prospects it would go like this: black friends, gay friends, and then all other minorities would be drafted based on need and rarity to the region.

When choosing gay friends, white people like to base their decision on their own needs and requirements. Younger white people tend to prefer young, high social social gay people-this is their all important ticket into nightclubs and parties.

When a straight person goes to a gay night club, they are reminded of how progressive and tolerant they are. If they are hit on by a member of the same sex, it provides them with a valuable story that they can use to prove to their other friends that they are more progressive and tolerant. “This guy/girl hit on me, I said I was ’straight but not narrow,’ and it was totally chill. Oh, you went to an Irish bar this weekend? That’s cool, I guess. “

Older white people prefer to be friends with gay parents because it enables their children to experience much needed diversity with people who are, for all intents and purposes, exactly the same as them.

It is also worth noting that a gay friendship of any sort allows white people to feel as though they are a part of the gay rights movement. While white people love being a part of any movement, the gay movement is especially important to them because they can blend in at rallies and protests and spend an afternoon feeling the sting of oppression.

Gay friends are an essential part of a white person’s all-star diversity roster. But they are always on the lookout for the ultimate friend; a gay minority.

It is generally accepted that a gay black friend with a child is considered a once in a lifetime opportunity - like a quarterback who can pass, run, kick, and play linebacker. White people will crawl over each other for the opportunity to claim this person as a friend and add them to their roster of diversity.

Other minorities are also highly prized and assigned a ranking based on the level of intolerance in they face from their respective cultures and family members.

Once a white person has told you about their gay friends, it is recommended that you say “I wish more people were like you,” every few months. This will allow them to feel good about their progressive choice of friends and remind them that they are better than other white people.

If you follow this simple rule, you should be able to maximize all benefits of white friendship including assistance in moving and free drinks.