Some serious backing is needed to claim something is "proven". Especially concerning purely social matters like this. Show me the stats that depict hetero couple children vs single parent/broken home children that makes this case.
And as for divorces, they may be harmful, but then it's because the family breaks apart, and probably a certain amount of animosity between the parents. A loving, happy married couple is of course better for children than parents constantly fighting. But it doesn't then follow that hetero married couples is the only ones capable of bringing up balanced children, nor that they are inherently better. That just shows that conflicts are bad, and love is good. Love can come in many shapes and preferences. So a loving, caring gay couple would probably be a lot better for kids than an abusive and conflictful hetero marriage for instance.
Anyway, I'm waiting for some statistics to be produced here unanimously backing those claims. I'll be interested as a social scientist to see them.
Peace
Dan
EXACTLY!
funny, i guess it depends what you read b/c i've read, numerous times...that simply having a LOVING/SUPPORTIVE home environment...whether a hetero-intact parent-couple...a single-parent...a same-sex parent-couple.......was the SINGLE most important factor to a well-adjusted child.
honestly, to me, a child raised with homosexual parents, sure, may get some bad hazing at school.....but kids are cruel to other kids for all SORTS of reasons, so not having same-sex parents alone will not 'save' a child from such a fate, kids may haze/harrass them for other things. however, for what a set of parents must go through to adopt a child...especially a gay set of parents...to ME, illustrates their great desire to be parents, that they have the love and the means to provide a wonderul and caring home environment....and that said child would be loved. who wouldn't thrive in such an environment?
there are PLENTY of parents out there...simply parents b/c they can fuck, they fuck someone of the oppositie sex...and they are fertile and don't use birth-control. not b/c they so 'want' children, will be good role models, provide a loving/supportive environment, etc. man, there are SO many parents, who simply should not be parents. so that said, those who DO so want children enough to jump thru the hoops necesaary to adopt...hetero or homosexual...i say kudos to taking unwanted children into their homes giving them a chance at a loving home environment.
btw - while i see a logial link to some degree...but honestly, WHY is a thread about same-sex marriage being given the ok in iowa - which btw kudos to iowa for being forward-thinkers! - being reduced to a convo about having kids? seriously? we're talking marriage here. now while i know for MANY marriage is synonymous with family and having children....that is NOT always the case, and in fact is growing ever more NOT to be the case. sure married couples starting families is the vast majority, but it is more and more 'acceptable' and a viable option for ALL couples hetero and homosexual alike...NOT to have families. to me, this is about homosexuals simply wanting the same LEGAl rights afforded by marriage to a hetero couple. as we all well know there ARE many legal rights afforded by marriager...especially in sickness and in death. i do believe EVERY consenting adult couple, regardless of sexual orientation...should be afforded said rights if they so want to go that route. some heterocouples choose NOT to marry, so why shouldn't homosexual couples be afforded the same choice..to marry, or not, as they see fit...and the rigthst that accompany said choices?
again....kudos to iowa! i look forward to the day when all of 'this' is a non-issue.....when hetero and homo sexual couples afforded the same rights...and all, whether they personally agree/disagree with such lifestyles...at the very least recognize the RIGHTS of others to live their lives as they see fit, and benmefit from the same basic rights/freedoms as every other citizen.
Any given child's experience of growing up contains far too many variables for a parallel to be drawn between any of the above mentioned issues and "not functioning up to standard". Anything "proving" otherwise is worthless conservative propaganda.
prove it
Makes much more sense, to live in the present tense.
A truly liberal person is conservative when necessary.
why don't YOU provide some supporting data to YOUR claim since you are the one to introduce the idea to be countered in the first place? would seem logical. why should someone back up a counterpoint when the first in the debate didn't even provide any support to their original point in the first place?
why don't YOU provide some supporting data to YOUR claim since you are the one to introduce the idea to be countered in the first place? would seem logical. why should someone back up a counterpoint when the first in the debate didn't even provide any support to their original point in the first place?
just askin'........;)
I agree.
I'd love to view some of the data yielded from the "time and study" you referenced.
If you can provide such information, and from sources other than conservative-leaning web sites or books, I'd be happy to oblige.
and will you provide data from sources other than liberal-leaning web sites or books?
It's really not worth my time to try to talk some sense into you. I think you're a lost cause. But if you actually provide some unbiased proof that children of homosexual parents are so much worse off than children of heterosexual parents, I'll eat my hat.
See thats the thing...time and study has already proven that children thrive best in a heterosexual environment. Children need the presence of both father AND mother to grow and become well balanced. This has been discussed adnauseum since single parenthood has become so common. Children from broken homes, or from incomplete homes, or who lack the involvement of one parental sex, do not function up to standard...they flounder and have asignificantly higher incidence of behavioral problems.
From the Division of Adolescent Medicine, Albert Einstein College of Medicine/Montefiore Medical Center, Bronx, NY:
"There are no data to suggest that children who have gay or lesbian parents are different in any aspects of psychological, social, and sexual development from children in heterosexual families." http://pedsinreview.aappublications.org/cgi/content/abstract/15/9/354
From the School of Psychology, Birkbeck College University of London:
From Department of Obstetrics and Gynecology, Yale University School of Medicine:
"The literature supports the notion that children of lesbian mothers and gay fathers are not more likely to become homosexual and are not measurably different from children raised by heterosexual parents in terms of personality development, psychological development, and gender identity."
From the Division of Adolescent Medicine, Albert Einstein College of Medicine/Montefiore Medical Center, Bronx, NY:
"There are no data to suggest that children who have gay or lesbian parents are different in any aspects of psychological, social, and sexual development from children in heterosexual families."
Oh, come on. Everyone knows that Yale University School of Medicine and Albert Einstein College of Medicine/Montefiore Medical Center are just liberal propaganda machines.
"Numerous studies over the last three decades consistently demonstrate that children raised by gay or lesbian parents exhibit the same level of emotional, cognitive, social, and sexual functioning as children raised by heterosexual parents." http://www.psych.org/edu/other_res/lib_archives/archives/200214.pdf
From the American Academy of Pediatrics:
"A growing body of scientific literature demonstrates that children who grow up with 1 or 2 gay and/or lesbian parents fare as well in emotional, cognitive, social, and sexual functioning as do children whose parents are heterosexual. Children’s optimal development seems to be influenced more by the nature of the relationships and interactions within the family unit than by the particular structural form it takes." http://aappolicy.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/pediatrics;109/2/341?fulltext=homosexuality&searchid=QID_NOT_SET
think as soon as we get short sighted folks to realize sexual orientation bears no importance and we see homosexuality as a norm the sooner we'll see the end to the stigma of homosexual parents on their children.
Key is love & support....and neithers affected by sexual orientation....
I'm thinking even if there currently is an affect on children of homosexual parents, its way more harmful to lie to a kid tellng them there's a santa clause, easter bunny and the world was made in 8 days and they'll go to hell if they don't act a certain way.
think as soon as we get short sighted folks to realize sexual orientation bears no importance and we see homosexuality as a norm the sooner we'll see the end to the stigma of homosexual parents on their children.
Key is love & support....and neithers affected by sexual orientation....
I'm thinking even if there currently is an affect on children of homosexual parents, its way more harmful to lie to a kid tellng them there's a santa clause, easter bunny and the world was made in 8 days and they'll go to hell if they don't act a certain way.
"I'd rather be with an animal." "Those that can be trusted can change their mind." "The in between is mine." "If I don't lose control, explore and not explode, a preternatural other plane with the power to maintain." "Yeh this is living." "Life is what you make it."
From the Division of Adolescent Medicine, Albert Einstein College of Medicine/Montefiore Medical Center, Bronx, NY:
"There are no data to suggest that children who have gay or lesbian parents are different in any aspects of psychological, social, and sexual development from children in heterosexual families." http://pedsinreview.aappublications.org/cgi/content/abstract/15/9/354
From the School of Psychology, Birkbeck College University of London:
From the Division of Adolescent Medicine, Albert Einstein College of Medicine/Montefiore Medical Center, Bronx, NY:
"There are no data to suggest that children who have gay or lesbian parents are different in any aspects of psychological, social, and sexual development from children in heterosexual families." http://pedsinreview.aappublications.org/cgi/content/abstract/15/9/354
From the School of Psychology, Birkbeck College University of London:
think as soon as we get short sighted folks to realize sexual orientation bears no importance and we see homosexuality as a norm the sooner we'll see the end to the stigma of homosexual parents on their children.
Key is love & support....and neithers affected by sexual orientation....
I'm thinking even if there currently is an affect on children of homosexual parents, its way more harmful to lie to a kid tellng them there's a santa clause, easter bunny and the world was made in 8 days and they'll go to hell if they don't act a certain way.
and truly....bravo!
who'da thunk it's so damn difficult to be tolerant, perhaps even accepting..of others outside your own way of thinking/living? people make up all sorts of 'excuses'...but really, that's what it comes down to. funny too...those who like to argue about it 'going against the laws of nature'...or whatever such BS....whereas in reality, i think?...my #s/species may be off...but i believe there's at least 20% of other species that exhibit homosexual behavior....yep...animals in nature. me, my personal hypothesis...with no scientific backing mind you...but my own thoughts on homosexuality...and infertility in general...whether for homosapiens or any other species....is it is simply mother nature exhibiting some 'controls' over various species populations. it harms NO one. besides the fact...on a very UNscientific notion....love is love.
Good job SundaySilence. I tried to look for those things myself, but I am not familiar with where to find american data on such subjects. I am too used to the Norwegian sites and sources for such purposes. Why dont you americans have a central statistics bureau anyway?
Anyway, good finds! Still waiting for the counter-evidence.
Peace
Dan
"YOU [humans] NEED TO BELIEVE IN THINGS THAT AREN'T TRUE. HOW ELSE CAN THEY BECOME?" - Death
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
"Numerous studies over the last three decades consistently demonstrate that children raised by gay or lesbian parents exhibit the same level of emotional, cognitive, social, and sexual functioning as children raised by heterosexual parents." http://www.psych.org/edu/other_res/lib_archives/archives/200214.pdf
From the American Academy of Pediatrics:
"A growing body of scientific literature demonstrates that children who grow up with 1 or 2 gay and/or lesbian parents fare as well in emotional, cognitive, social, and sexual functioning as do children whose parents are heterosexual. Children’s optimal development seems to be influenced more by the nature of the relationships and interactions within the family unit than by the particular structural form it takes." http://aappolicy.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/pediatrics;109/2/341?fulltext=homosexuality&searchid=QID_NOT_SET
thank you, sunday i was waiting for someone to make some of the fools in here choke on their own ignorance.
lol at the pat robertson thing, too. i can't wait for someone to post a link to youtube of an anti-same sex marriage segment on the 700 club!
Do you see the way that tree bends?
Does it inspire?
Leaning out to catch the sun's rays...
A lesson to be applied.
Best night of my life. . .
Noblesville, IN 06-22-03.
Corporate Whore you are not helping to make a stand against gay marriage with comments like "gays brought AIDS". That is rediculous.
While the male homosexual community has consistently held the highest census for the disease, it came from contamination in humans via monkeys in the Congo. SIV (Simian Immunodeficiency Virus) is scientifically believed to be the origin of HIV. It is thought to have crossed species via butchering techniques or eating of raw monkey flesh, specifically the brain.
Oh shit. CW, Juberoo came down on for for your gay bashing. Juberoo! You know when that happens you may as well just grab a white hood and move on to a new stage of life. That's like David Duke calling you a racist or Hitler coming back from the dead to call you an anti-semite. I never thought someone's gay bashing would get criticism from Juberoo. Juberoo! Congrats!
I cannot come up with a new sig till I get this egg off my face.
Good job SundaySilence. I tried to look for those things myself, but I am not familiar with where to find american data on such subjects. I am too used to the Norwegian sites and sources for such purposes. Why dont you americans have a central statistics bureau anyway?
Anyway, good finds! Still waiting for the counter-evidence.
Peace
Dan
true that on the central statistics bureau statement! believe me, it's just one of the many silly aspects of life in the u.s. don't get me wrong, i love it here and there really are a lot of good things about this country, but for every good and respectable characteristic of america, there is something lame and nonsensical. now i better duck out before i get hit up by the 'love it or leave it!' people...
Do you see the way that tree bends?
Does it inspire?
Leaning out to catch the sun's rays...
A lesson to be applied.
Best night of my life. . .
Noblesville, IN 06-22-03.
for excellent information/links posted above...and to see any counter-arguements links...if any....possibly provided.
especially b/c i see the same BS about children 'suffering' in homosexual homes being spewed elsewhere in other threads...and STILL not one shred of substantive evidence.
saying/typing it over and over...simply doesn't make it true!
hail, hail for accurate information!
kudos to sundaysilence for providing said info again...much obliged.
for excellent information/links posted above...and to see any counter-arguements links...if any....possibly provided.
especially b/c i see the same BS about children 'suffering' in homosexual homes being spewed elsewhere in other threads...and STILL not one shred of substantive evidence.
saying/typing it over and over...simply doesn't make it true!
hail, hail for accurate information!
kudos to sundaysilence for providing said info again...much obliged.
i wouldn't argue if kids growing up in homosexual homes suffer.... but i would argue that the mother of the child who's growing up with two daddies must suck for them.
put it this way.... if i empregnated this girl and turns out she's a lesbian.... i wouldn't want her to be influencing my child's point-of-view by telling my kid that he/she's got two mommies. god, it's like she's literally yanked my balls out..... that would really hurt me.
This isn't the land of opportunity, it's the land of competition.
i wouldn't argue if kids growing up in homosexual homes suffer.... but i would argue that the mother of the child who's growing up with two daddies must suck for them.
put it this way.... if i empregnated this girl and turns out she's a lesbian.... i wouldn't want her to be influencing my child's point-of-view by telling my kid that he/she's got two mommies. god, it's like she's literally yanked my balls out..... that would really hurt me.
well personal choicese are just that, personal. i'm looking at the broader picture.
btw - more often than not, lesbians/gays adopt....OR go for artificial insemination, either from a sperm donor, or a trusted friend. it is quite 'rare' for a woman to 'turn' lesbian...at most she may be bisexual, and again....most people do share with their partners who they are. at least i hope so!
It's interesting. I finally googled and the only negative statements I could find were from religious sites. All others were either that same parent households were no different and quite a few actually said the kids were better off. This was one. http://www.canada.com/theprovince/news/story.html?id=38cc20ce-7f14-44ea-b4d9-d4cd16d7a269&k=9378
I can't say I'm surprised. It is just common sense that two people who would go through all that they have to to have a child would be loving parents and provide a loving home and upbringing.
"I'd rather be with an animal." "Those that can be trusted can change their mind." "The in between is mine." "If I don't lose control, explore and not explode, a preternatural other plane with the power to maintain." "Yeh this is living." "Life is what you make it."
It's interesting. I finally googled and the only negative statements I could find were from religious sites. All others were either that same parent households were no different and quite a few actually said the kids were better off. This was one. http://www.canada.com/theprovince/news/story.html?id=38cc20ce-7f14-44ea-b4d9-d4cd16d7a269&k=9378
I can't say I'm surprised. It is just common sense that two people who would go through all that they have to to have a child would be loving parents and provide a loving home and upbringing.
*smooch*
indeed!
i've always thought the same myself...and have read similar findings in the past.
I guess the reason Juberoo hasn't been able to respond just yet is that she is sorting through tons of facts and figures to support her own argument. Surely, she wouldn't just cut and run on us.
It's interesting. I finally googled and the only negative statements I could find were from religious sites. All others were either that same parent households were no different and quite a few actually said the kids were better off. This was one. http://www.canada.com/theprovince/news/story.html?id=38cc20ce-7f14-44ea-b4d9-d4cd16d7a269&k=9378
I can't say I'm surprised. It is just common sense that two people who would go through all that they have to to have a child would be loving parents and provide a loving home and upbringing.
i'm not buying the part about same sex couples being better at parenting.... it kinda degrades what my father and mother have done and taught me. they are great people.... anyone on here would never and could never ask for more than what they've done.
that link is just a little tooo biased..
This isn't the land of opportunity, it's the land of competition.
i'm not buying the part about same sex couples being better at parenting.... it kinda degrades what my father and mother have done and taught me. they are great people.... anyone on here would never and could never ask for more than what they've done.
that link is just a little tooo biased..
I dont understand how that degrades your parents in any way. Because same-sex parents can be as good? That isn't an indictment of your parents, you know.
And how is it biased? It shows the results of an official canadian study.
Peace
Dan
"YOU [humans] NEED TO BELIEVE IN THINGS THAT AREN'T TRUE. HOW ELSE CAN THEY BECOME?" - Death
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
I figured that I might as well poke the hornet's nest with this article...
Iowa court rules same-sex couples can marry
(CNN) -- An Iowa district court ruled Thursday that same-sex couples can marry based on the state constitution's guarantee of equal treatment, court documents show.
The ruling was in response to a December 2005 lawsuit brought by six same-sex couples seeking to wed. They were denied marriage licenses and claimed such treatment violates equal-protection and due-process clauses in the Iowa constitution.
The court also struck down a state law declaring valid marriages are only between a man and woman.
The Iowa District Court for Polk County advances the case to the Iowa Supreme Court which will make a final decision on same-sex marriage, according to Lambda Legal, a gay and lesbian legal organization representing the couples.
The 63-page ruling, written by Judge Robert Hanson states: "Couples, such as plaintiffs, who are otherwise qualified to marry one another may not be denied licenses to marry or certificates of marriage or in any other way prevented from entering into a civil marriage pursuant to Iowa Code Chapter 595 by reason of the fact that both persons compromising such a couple are of the same sex."
The law describing marriage as between a man and a woman, "constitutes the most intrusive means by the state to regulate marriage. This statute is an absolute prohibition on the ability of gay and lesbian individuals to marry a person of their choosing," Hanson wrote.
Lambda says the six couples are all in long-term relationship - one couple has been together for six years, another couple has been together for 17 years.
"Three of the couples are raising children, others are planning families, and all want the responsibilities of marriage and the protections only marriage can provide," according to the organization.
"We respectfully disagree with the court's decision, and we're going to ask for a stay," said Polk County Attorney John Sarcone.
He said his office will examine whether it's best to file a motion to reconsider. But barring a change in the court's opinion, Sarcone will appeal the ruling.
Co-counsel for the plaintiffs along with Lambda Legal, Dennis Johnson called the ruling "a significant step forward in recognizing the constitutional rights of all Iowans, and it's an amazing day for same-sex couples and their families all across Iowa."
i wouldn't argue if kids growing up in homosexual homes suffer.... but i would argue that the mother of the child who's growing up with two daddies must suck for them.
put it this way.... if i empregnated this girl and turns out she's a lesbian.... i wouldn't want her to be influencing my child's point-of-view by telling my kid that he/she's got two mommies. god, it's like she's literally yanked my balls out..... that would really hurt me.
So a human life to you, comes down to your testes? I mean, I'm sure you have some really pretty balls, but in spite of the fact that there's some sperm production going on there...once born...it isn't quite the same thing, is it?
I guess the reason Juberoo hasn't been able to respond just yet is that she is sorting through tons of facts and figures to support her own argument. Surely, she wouldn't just cut and run on us.
:rolleyes:
honestly..i am just soooo ANTI misinformtion...and i hate to see it spread. there are enough questionable sources out there on any given topic...and even amongst truly educated experts at times, no consencus is reached on certain topics. however, when valid and documented information is out there...i like to see such wisdom shared. not to say it is the end-all, be-all of research...but it's always good to share and build on educated knowledge.
and yes...to see less opinions presented as fact. if it is your psychobabble belief...or your religious belief...or simply your personal bias on any given topic.....that's all good. truly. i couldn't care less where one forms their personal beliefs. it is ONLY when they try to pass them on as some sort of factual information that i ever take isssue. so yes....just thought, sunday really shared some excellent information with us.
So a human life to you, comes down to your testes? I mean, I'm sure you have some really pretty balls, but in spite of the fact that there's some sperm production going on there...once born...it isn't quite the same thing, is it?
wow.
you just don't get it, do you?
never had a father to teach you of a woman's value? a man's value? what honor it is to have a father? to have a mother? i guess..... my dad must be a real old timer.... samurai ancient or something.
This isn't the land of opportunity, it's the land of competition.
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EXACTLY!
funny, i guess it depends what you read b/c i've read, numerous times...that simply having a LOVING/SUPPORTIVE home environment...whether a hetero-intact parent-couple...a single-parent...a same-sex parent-couple.......was the SINGLE most important factor to a well-adjusted child.
honestly, to me, a child raised with homosexual parents, sure, may get some bad hazing at school.....but kids are cruel to other kids for all SORTS of reasons, so not having same-sex parents alone will not 'save' a child from such a fate, kids may haze/harrass them for other things. however, for what a set of parents must go through to adopt a child...especially a gay set of parents...to ME, illustrates their great desire to be parents, that they have the love and the means to provide a wonderul and caring home environment....and that said child would be loved. who wouldn't thrive in such an environment?
there are PLENTY of parents out there...simply parents b/c they can fuck, they fuck someone of the oppositie sex...and they are fertile and don't use birth-control. not b/c they so 'want' children, will be good role models, provide a loving/supportive environment, etc. man, there are SO many parents, who simply should not be parents. so that said, those who DO so want children enough to jump thru the hoops necesaary to adopt...hetero or homosexual...i say kudos to taking unwanted children into their homes giving them a chance at a loving home environment.
btw - while i see a logial link to some degree...but honestly, WHY is a thread about same-sex marriage being given the ok in iowa - which btw kudos to iowa for being forward-thinkers! - being reduced to a convo about having kids? seriously? we're talking marriage here. now while i know for MANY marriage is synonymous with family and having children....that is NOT always the case, and in fact is growing ever more NOT to be the case. sure married couples starting families is the vast majority, but it is more and more 'acceptable' and a viable option for ALL couples hetero and homosexual alike...NOT to have families. to me, this is about homosexuals simply wanting the same LEGAl rights afforded by marriage to a hetero couple. as we all well know there ARE many legal rights afforded by marriager...especially in sickness and in death. i do believe EVERY consenting adult couple, regardless of sexual orientation...should be afforded said rights if they so want to go that route. some heterocouples choose NOT to marry, so why shouldn't homosexual couples be afforded the same choice..to marry, or not, as they see fit...and the rigthst that accompany said choices?
again....kudos to iowa! i look forward to the day when all of 'this' is a non-issue.....when hetero and homo sexual couples afforded the same rights...and all, whether they personally agree/disagree with such lifestyles...at the very least recognize the RIGHTS of others to live their lives as they see fit, and benmefit from the same basic rights/freedoms as every other citizen.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
A truly liberal person is conservative when necessary.
Pro-life by choice.
why don't YOU provide some supporting data to YOUR claim since you are the one to introduce the idea to be countered in the first place? would seem logical. why should someone back up a counterpoint when the first in the debate didn't even provide any support to their original point in the first place?
just askin'........;)
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
I'd love to view some of the data yielded from the "time and study" you referenced.
If you can provide such information, and from sources other than conservative-leaning web sites or books, I'd be happy to oblige.
A truly liberal person is conservative when necessary.
Pro-life by choice.
It's really not worth my time to try to talk some sense into you. I think you're a lost cause. But if you actually provide some unbiased proof that children of homosexual parents are so much worse off than children of heterosexual parents, I'll eat my hat.
Enjoy your research. :rolleyes:
You are a complete moron.
Nuclear fission
"The literature supports the notion that children of lesbian mothers and gay fathers are not more likely to become homosexual and are not measurably different from children raised by heterosexual parents in terms of personality development, psychological development, and gender identity."
http://www.co-obgyn.com/pt/re/coobgyn/abstract.00001703-200506000-00014.htm;jsessionid=Gc5bJQnsYSn86F452DRfHkW5qrr69Vzqp56cnR8z0p3jznh6vryC!-933386751!181195628!8091!-1
From the Division of Adolescent Medicine, Albert Einstein College of Medicine/Montefiore Medical Center, Bronx, NY:
"There are no data to suggest that children who have gay or lesbian parents are different in any aspects of psychological, social, and sexual development from children in heterosexual families."
http://pedsinreview.aappublications.org/cgi/content/abstract/15/9/354
From the School of Psychology, Birkbeck College University of London:
"Findings from research suggest that children with lesbian or gay parents are comparable with children with heterosexual parents on key psychosocial developmental outcomes."
http://www.jrnldbp.com/pt/re/jdbp/abstract.00004703-200506000-00012.htm;jsessionid=Gc8cPvQ7dmNWM3JyLTGD1Vj8k28qvLX1sV2gbkJSbnJLgdnc3ZVy!-933386751!181195628!8091!-1
Oh, come on. Everyone knows that Yale University School of Medicine and Albert Einstein College of Medicine/Montefiore Medical Center are just liberal propaganda machines.
On a more serious note, good finds.
"Numerous studies over the last three decades consistently demonstrate that children raised by gay or lesbian parents exhibit the same level of emotional, cognitive, social, and sexual functioning as children raised by heterosexual parents."
http://www.psych.org/edu/other_res/lib_archives/archives/200214.pdf
From the American Academy of Pediatrics:
"A growing body of scientific literature demonstrates that children who grow up with 1 or 2 gay and/or lesbian parents fare as well in emotional, cognitive, social, and sexual functioning as do children whose parents are heterosexual. Children’s optimal development seems to be influenced more by the nature of the relationships and interactions within the family unit than by the particular structural form it takes."
http://aappolicy.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/pediatrics;109/2/341?fulltext=homosexuality&searchid=QID_NOT_SET
Key is love & support....and neithers affected by sexual orientation....
I'm thinking even if there currently is an affect on children of homosexual parents, its way more harmful to lie to a kid tellng them there's a santa clause, easter bunny and the world was made in 8 days and they'll go to hell if they don't act a certain way.
i am waiting for some "research" from oral roberts or pat robertson's college to refute these lol...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
man, i truly *heart* sunday.
and truly....bravo!
who'da thunk it's so damn difficult to be tolerant, perhaps even accepting..of others outside your own way of thinking/living? people make up all sorts of 'excuses'...but really, that's what it comes down to. funny too...those who like to argue about it 'going against the laws of nature'...or whatever such BS....whereas in reality, i think?...my #s/species may be off...but i believe there's at least 20% of other species that exhibit homosexual behavior....yep...animals in nature. me, my personal hypothesis...with no scientific backing mind you...but my own thoughts on homosexuality...and infertility in general...whether for homosapiens or any other species....is it is simply mother nature exhibiting some 'controls' over various species populations. it harms NO one. besides the fact...on a very UNscientific notion....love is love.
edited for particularly atrocious typos.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
Anyway, good finds! Still waiting for the counter-evidence.
Peace
Dan
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
lol at the pat robertson thing, too. i can't wait for someone to post a link to youtube of an anti-same sex marriage segment on the 700 club!
Does it inspire?
Leaning out to catch the sun's rays...
A lesson to be applied.
Best night of my life. . .
Noblesville, IN 06-22-03.
myspace.com/justonemorebottle
Oh shit. CW, Juberoo came down on for for your gay bashing. Juberoo! You know when that happens you may as well just grab a white hood and move on to a new stage of life. That's like David Duke calling you a racist or Hitler coming back from the dead to call you an anti-semite. I never thought someone's gay bashing would get criticism from Juberoo. Juberoo! Congrats!
Does it inspire?
Leaning out to catch the sun's rays...
A lesson to be applied.
Best night of my life. . .
Noblesville, IN 06-22-03.
myspace.com/justonemorebottle
especially b/c i see the same BS about children 'suffering' in homosexual homes being spewed elsewhere in other threads...and STILL not one shred of substantive evidence.
saying/typing it over and over...simply doesn't make it true!
hail, hail for accurate information!
kudos to sundaysilence for providing said info again...much obliged.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
put it this way.... if i empregnated this girl and turns out she's a lesbian.... i wouldn't want her to be influencing my child's point-of-view by telling my kid that he/she's got two mommies. god, it's like she's literally yanked my balls out..... that would really hurt me.
well personal choicese are just that, personal. i'm looking at the broader picture.
btw - more often than not, lesbians/gays adopt....OR go for artificial insemination, either from a sperm donor, or a trusted friend. it is quite 'rare' for a woman to 'turn' lesbian...at most she may be bisexual, and again....most people do share with their partners who they are. at least i hope so!
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
http://www.canada.com/theprovince/news/story.html?id=38cc20ce-7f14-44ea-b4d9-d4cd16d7a269&k=9378
I can't say I'm surprised.
*smooch*
indeed!
i've always thought the same myself...and have read similar findings in the past.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
I guess the reason Juberoo hasn't been able to respond just yet is that she is sorting through tons of facts and figures to support her own argument. Surely, she wouldn't just cut and run on us.
:rolleyes:
that link is just a little tooo biased..
And how is it biased? It shows the results of an official canadian study.
Peace
Dan
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
That's amazing, coming from Iowa.
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So a human life to you, comes down to your testes? I mean, I'm sure you have some really pretty balls, but in spite of the fact that there's some sperm production going on there...once born...it isn't quite the same thing, is it?
wow.
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honestly..i am just soooo ANTI misinformtion...and i hate to see it spread. there are enough questionable sources out there on any given topic...and even amongst truly educated experts at times, no consencus is reached on certain topics. however, when valid and documented information is out there...i like to see such wisdom shared. not to say it is the end-all, be-all of research...but it's always good to share and build on educated knowledge.
and yes...to see less opinions presented as fact. if it is your psychobabble belief...or your religious belief...or simply your personal bias on any given topic.....that's all good.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
never had a father to teach you of a woman's value? a man's value? what honor it is to have a father? to have a mother? i guess..... my dad must be a real old timer.... samurai ancient or something.