nope..when you strip them of their rights and incarcerate them, by your reasoning, you are discriminating. You are labeling them and lumping them into a category.
My point to this analogy was that discrimination is necessary sometimes.
But the flaw in this logic is that I didn't do it. By all intense and purposes they (by committing the crime) did it to themselves.
Wow. They are discriminating against themselves. Forcing themselves to be oppressed and lose their privileges and individual rights.
See, I have nothing to do with that.
Now, bring it around to how gays are also doing it to themselves. How by being gay they deserve to have their rights taken away.
It has absolutely nothing to do with my marriage. It has to do with marriage as a whole. Homosexual marriage goes against the tradition of original marriage. It was designed to incorporate one man and one woman. To allow same sex marriages trivializes that institution.
Weren't you touting individual responsibility in the homeschooling thread?
So why don't you as an individual be responsible for your own marriage and mind your own business when it comes to the personal relationships of other people?
I find it interesting how you can pick and chose what you want to believe based on the situation.
thank god; this sudden flow of reason, intelligence, and humanitarianism has made this thread so much less frustrating. i was dangerously close to changing my major to psychology so i could at least attempt to come to understand how some people could subscribe to such hideously moronic thought processes.
Do you see the way that tree bends?
Does it inspire?
Leaning out to catch the sun's rays...
A lesson to be applied.
Best night of my life. . .
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just because a couple has one person with a penis, and one person with a vagina, doesn't make them any more well-rounded or appropriate to raise a child.
ACtually, I'm gonna diagree with you. Lots of parents taks can be provided by either parent, but only Fathers can provide fathering, and only mothers can provide mothering. I also agree that there are plenty of heterosexual marriages not providing that, and single parents in the same boat, but and you don't have to look far to see the results.
HOwever, hetero marriages provide the opportunity for that, gay marriages don't.
Time will tell just how well- adjusteed and balanced the child raised in those marriages really are. Some will do well, some won't probably.
ACtually, I'm gonna diagree with you. Lots of parents taks can be provided by either parent, but only Fathers can provide fathering, and only mothers can provide mothering. I also agree that there are plenty of heterosexual marriages not providing that, and single parents in the same boat, but and you don't have to look far to see the results.
HOwever, hetero marriages provide the opportunity for that, gay marriages don't.
Time will tell just how well- adjusteed and balanced the child raised in those marriages really are. Some will do well, some won't probably.
yes, some will do well, and some won't. that's how it has always been for ANY family, and how it always will be. it doesn't matter whether there is a father fathering or a mother mothering; what's important is there are responsible and caring parents who are PARENTING.
Do you see the way that tree bends?
Does it inspire?
Leaning out to catch the sun's rays...
A lesson to be applied.
Best night of my life. . .
Noblesville, IN 06-22-03.
yes, some will do well, and some won't. that's how it has always been for ANY family, and how it always will be. it doesn't matter whether there is a father fathering or a mother mothering; what's important is there are responsible and caring parents who are PARENTING.
Ah, but it is necessary for someone to be fathering, and someone to be mothering. They are distinct things which are unique to each sex. You don't have to be the biological parent though to provide it.
I think that accepting gay parents raising kids means accepting a LOT of assumptions, and is ALL about the parents with very littel thought put into the long term effects on kids. Not that that is unique to gay couples of course !!
Ah, but it is necessary for someone to be fathering, and someone to be mothering. They are distinct things which are unique to each sex. You don't have to be the biological parent though to provide it.
I think that accepting gay parents raising kids means accepting a LOT of assumptions, and is ALL about the parents with very littel thought put into the long term effects on kids. Not that that is unique to gay couples of course !!
what is it that you think is so threatening to a child's wellbeing by having same sex parents? so what if a child raised by two fathers adopts a more masculine set of traits? so what if a person raised by two women is more effeminate? nothing is wrong with either of these things. there are certainly things that are distinct to each sex, but what's so wrong with accepting an androgynous upbringing that doesn't stress strict gender roles as hard as the traditional nuclear family has?
Do you see the way that tree bends?
Does it inspire?
Leaning out to catch the sun's rays...
A lesson to be applied.
Best night of my life. . .
Noblesville, IN 06-22-03.
ACtually, I'm gonna diagree with you. Lots of parents taks can be provided by either parent, 1/~ but only Fathers can provide fathering, and only mothers can provide mothering. I also agree that there are plenty of heterosexual marriages not providing that, and single parents in the same boat, but and you don't have to look far to see the results.
HOwever, hetero marriages provide the opportunity for that, gay marriages don't.
2/~Time will tell just how well- adjusteed and balanced the child raised in those marriages really are. Some will do well, some won't probably.
1/~ I would dispute that. I've seen more than enough examples of uncles, aunts, and grandparents providing excellent parenting for children. Not to mention mentoring programs like Big Brother, Big Sister and the adoption and foster parent programs. Then there are teachers, Scout leaders, Football/Netball coaches and a plethora of other adults in mentoring/role model positions in a child's life. The idea that it's all going downhill for a child if either or both of their biological parents don't provide adequate parenting is just another pressure/worry to put on smart kids that aren't in a "conventional" family situation.
I stand by the adage, "It takes a whole village to raise a child."
2/~ Just as time will only tell how balanced and well adjusted a child raised in a heterosexual, conventional marriage will be.
Many do well and many do not.
1/~ I would dispute that. I've seen more than enough examples of uncles, aunts, and grandparents providing excellent parenting for children. Not to mention mentoring programs like Big Brother, Big Sister and the adoption and foster parent programs. Then there are teachers, Scout leaders, Football/Netball coaches and a plethora of other adults in mentoring/role model positions in a child's life. The idea that it's all going downhill for a child if either or both of their biological parents don't provide adequate parenting is just another pressure/worry to put on smart kids that aren't in a "conventional" family situation.
I stand by the adage, "It takes a whole village to raise a child."
2/~ Just as time will only tell how balanced and well adjusted a child raised in a heterosexual, conventional marriage will be.
Many do well and many do not.
very well said.
Do you see the way that tree bends?
Does it inspire?
Leaning out to catch the sun's rays...
A lesson to be applied.
Best night of my life. . .
Noblesville, IN 06-22-03.
Weren't you touting individual responsibility in the homeschooling thread?
So why don't you as an individual be responsible for your own marriage and mind your own business when it comes to the personal relationships of other people?
I find it interesting how you can pick and chose what you want to believe based on the situation.
back at you, the pot calling the kettle black here...but I suppose you don't see that at all do you.
Makes much more sense, to live in the present tense.
A truly liberal person is conservative when necessary.
Ah, but it is necessary for someone to be fathering, and someone to be mothering. They are distinct things which are unique to each sex. You don't have to be the biological parent though to provide it.
I think that accepting gay parents raising kids means accepting a LOT of assumptions, and is ALL about the parents with very littel thought put into the long term effects on kids. Not that that is unique to gay couples of course !!
exactly
Makes much more sense, to live in the present tense.
A truly liberal person is conservative when necessary.
what is it that you think is so threatening to a child's wellbeing by having same sex parents? so what if a child raised by two fathers adopts a more masculine set of traits? so what if a person raised by two women is more effeminate? nothing is wrong with either of these things. there are certainly things that are distinct to each sex, but what's so wrong with accepting an androgynous upbringing that doesn't stress strict gender roles as hard as the traditional nuclear family has?
this comment is just so beyond ignorant it is absurd..... androgynous upbringing? OMG that is just so sad that anyone could see this as ok.
Makes much more sense, to live in the present tense.
A truly liberal person is conservative when necessary.
1/~ I would dispute that. I've seen more than enough examples of uncles, aunts, and grandparents providing excellent parenting for children. Not to mention mentoring programs like Big Brother, Big Sister and the adoption and foster parent programs. Then there are teachers, Scout leaders, Football/Netball coaches and a plethora of other adults in mentoring/role model positions in a child's life. The idea that it's all going downhill for a child if either or both of their biological parents don't provide adequate parenting is just another pressure/worry to put on smart kids that aren't in a "conventional" family situation.
I stand by the adage, "It takes a whole village to raise a child."
2/~ Just as time will only tell how balanced and well adjusted a child raised in a heterosexual, conventional marriage will be.
Many do well and many do not.
See thats the thing...time and study has already proven that children thrive best in a heterosexual environment. Children need the presence of both father AND mother to grow and become well balanced. This has been discussed adnauseum since single parenthood has become so common. Children from broken homes, or from incomplete homes, or who lack the involvement of one parental sex, do not function up to standard...they flounder and have asignificantly higher incidence of behavioral problems.
Makes much more sense, to live in the present tense.
A truly liberal person is conservative when necessary.
Children from broken homes, or from incomplete homes, or who lack the involvement of one parental sex,
Any given child's experience of growing up contains far too many variables for a parallel to be drawn between any of the above mentioned issues and "not functioning up to standard". Anything "proving" otherwise is worthless conservative propaganda.
this comment is just so beyond ignorant it is absurd..... androgynous upbringing? OMG that is just so sad that anyone could see this as ok.
yes, because it would be HORRIBLE for someone to have an androgynous perspective. if a guy's not a macho dick, and if a woman's not a betty homemaker, than by god, they're just not living 'naturally' are they?
i also love your 'time and study have shown' ignorant bullshit....always one of my favorite statements. i'd love to hear what study or studies you're talking about....care to share what organization conducted these studies? i'd be more than happy to check out a credible study and source expressing what you were trying to explain in that post....btw...studies from psychochristian journals won't count...
Do you see the way that tree bends?
Does it inspire?
Leaning out to catch the sun's rays...
A lesson to be applied.
Best night of my life. . .
Noblesville, IN 06-22-03.
See thats the thing...time and study has already proven that children thrive best in a heterosexual environment. Children need the presence of both father AND mother to grow and become well balanced. This has been discussed adnauseum since single parenthood has become so common. Children from broken homes, or from incomplete homes, or who lack the involvement of one parental sex, do not function up to standard...they flounder and have asignificantly higher incidence of behavioral problems.
this is such fucked-up bullshit i don't even know where to begin. I raised both my daughter and son by myself since they were tiny. their father hasn't been in their lives for about 14 years. they're now both well adjusted adults. they both living out on their own. they both hold full time jobs(actually she also works a part-time job too) both are going to school as well. I'd love to know wtf standard they're not living up to?
this is such fucked-up bullshit i don't even know where to begin. I raised both my daughter and son by myself since they were tiny. their father hasn't been in their lives for about 14 years. they're now both well adjusted adults. they both living out on their own. they both hold full time jobs(actually she also works a part-time job too) both are going to school as well. I'd love to know wtf standard they're not living up to?
well come on prism, without a full time set of balls in the house, CLEARLY they're not going to have a proper and appropriate upbringing!! how could children without a daddy EVER be normal, functioning adults!?!?!?! that's just crazy! SURELY there is only one way to raise a family! i mean, with over 300 million people in this country, isn't it intelligent to assume that there is only one healthy and successful family structure???
god, i can't even carry the sarcasm on this post anymore. how can someone be so stupid? i mean, honeslty? how can someone be so, so stupid? it saddens me that human thought hasn't evolved beyond this point yet.
Do you see the way that tree bends?
Does it inspire?
Leaning out to catch the sun's rays...
A lesson to be applied.
Best night of my life. . .
Noblesville, IN 06-22-03.
See thats the thing...time and study has already proven that children thrive best in a heterosexual environment. Children need the presence of both father AND mother to grow and become well balanced. This has been discussed adnauseum since single parenthood has become so common. Children from broken homes, or from incomplete homes, or who lack the involvement of one parental sex, do not function up to standard...they flounder and have asignificantly higher incidence of behavioral problems.
who is saying this? is this in the sociology literature? or is this something that you have witnessed?? this argument about needing both parents and a heterosexual environment sounds like propaganda from the religious right.
i have known plenty of kids in my 32 years who have come from broken homes that are very successful and "well balanced". 2 of them are my best friends. this is a major generalization, and if you are going to spout that kind of "fact" you should bring a link or two to post.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
well come on prism, without a full time set of balls in the house, CLEARLY they're not going to have a proper and appropriate upbringing!! how could children without a daddy EVER be normal, functioning adults!?!?!?! that's just crazy! SURELY there is only one way to raise a family! i mean, with over 300 million people in this country, isn't it intelligent to assume that there is only one healthy and successful family structure???
god, i can't even carry the sarcasm on this post anymore. how can someone be so stupid? i mean, honeslty? how can someone be so, so stupid? it saddens me that human thought hasn't evolved beyond this point yet.
it's sad to see that some people are still stick in that mid 90's republican mindset. you know when it was preached from Congress that every single problem facing the good ole US of A was the the fault of single Mom's. this decade their scapegoats for every single probem facing this country has switched to gays seeking to marry or illegial aliens. why can't they just address the actual problems in this country without looking for scapegoats to blame. this is complete bullshit and it's beyond comprehension that more people can't see through it
it's sad to see that some people are still stick in that mid 90's republican mindset. you know when it was preached from Congress that every single problem facing the good ole US of A was the the fault of single Mom's. this decade their scapegoats for every single probem facing this country has switched to gays seeking to marry or illegial aliens. why can't they just address the actual problems in this country without looking for scapegoats to blame. this is complete bullshit and it's beyond comprehension that more people can't see through it
because the actual problems would actually take a lot of time, effort, and resources to reform and improve. it's much easier to conjure up potential scapegoats for social issues than to actually delve into the genuine causes and repair them. who wants to exert effort and change faulty ways when there are gays, illegal aliens, and god knows what other asinine, random, and irrelevant subject to blame?
Do you see the way that tree bends?
Does it inspire?
Leaning out to catch the sun's rays...
A lesson to be applied.
Best night of my life. . .
Noblesville, IN 06-22-03.
because the actual problems would actually take a lot of time, effort, and resources to reform and improve. it's much easier to conjure up potential scapegoats for social issues than to actually delve into the genuine causes and repair them. who wants to exert effort and change faulty ways when there are gays, illegal aliens, and god knows what other asinine, random, and irrelevant subject to blame?
exfuckingactly! you got it
I just more people would get it and see this bullshit for what it is
don't hold your breath, friend. the average american would probably be more concerned with getting good seats at a nascar event than trying to figure out how to fix social issues. as long as some dickweed in a suit is telling them there's someone else to blame, they'll swallow that hot, sticky, conservative load before trying to think for themselves.
Do you see the way that tree bends?
Does it inspire?
Leaning out to catch the sun's rays...
A lesson to be applied.
Best night of my life. . .
Noblesville, IN 06-22-03.
who is saying this? is this in the sociology literature? or is this something that you have witnessed?? this argument about needing both parents and a heterosexual environment sounds like propaganda from the religious right.
i have known plenty of kids in my 32 years who have come from broken homes that are very successful and "well balanced". 2 of them are my best friends. this is a major generalization, and if you are going to spout that kind of "fact" you should bring a link or two to post.
thank you! this is what i've been trying to say! i would absolutely LOVE to see a prominent sociological scientific journal publish results on a study that proves this heap of bullshit, mainly because then i'd at least be able to rest assured that some of these people posting aren't actually as dumb as i'm fearing they might be....i mean, jesus h. christ in a chicken basket....these people walk among us!
Do you see the way that tree bends?
Does it inspire?
Leaning out to catch the sun's rays...
A lesson to be applied.
Best night of my life. . .
Noblesville, IN 06-22-03.
don't hold your breath, friend. the average american would probably be more concerned with getting good seats at a nascar event than trying to figure out how to fix social issues. as long as some dickweed in a suit is telling them there's someone else to blame, they'll swallow that hot, sticky, conservative load before trying to think for themselves.
oh i know better than to hold my breath....but a girl can dream can't she? (and no i'm not dreaming about swallowing any hot, sticky conservative load before trying to think for myself)
back at you, the pot calling the kettle black here...but I suppose you don't see that at all do you.
I don't see it cause you are full of it and are just making stuff up now. Because I haven't in any way double talked the way that you have been on these forums... picking and choosing what I believe in.
I'm not! I don't give a flying fuck what you do as long as you leave me alone. See cause your right to punch me ends where my nose begins.
very good. juberoo seems to fail to understand this relatively simple concept that you can obviously be against it, and that's your right, but people who disagree with you juberoo aren't attempting to interfere with your personal affairs. people who disagree with you don't give a good goddamn about your married life or family life, or anything else that has to do with what happens inside your head or your home....so why is it that because you don't agree with them, you feel you should have some kind of say over what happens in THEIR personal lives or in their homes? are you really so self-satisfied and arrogant that you feel it's okay to mandate what is okay for other people to do (when it harms no one and has nothing to do with you), yet you seem offended when they just want to practice a lifestyle that's independent of and irrelevent to yours?
it's not that people want to be able to tell you what to think and not have you be able to do the same; it's that people don't want you to be able to tell them what to DO, just as they would not do to you. what you think and how you feel are completely seperate from what you or other people are allowed to do.
i've seen the previous posts...yeah yeah yeah, so it's 'disgusting,' or it's 'unnatural'....but all bullshit aside, in all absolute honestly, give one intellectual statement that explains what the fuck same sex marriage for other couples has to do with you, or the life you lead. i'll be EXTREMELY impressed if something worthwhile comprises the following response....
Do you see the way that tree bends?
Does it inspire?
Leaning out to catch the sun's rays...
A lesson to be applied.
Best night of my life. . .
Noblesville, IN 06-22-03.
See thats the thing...time and study has already proven that children thrive best in a heterosexual environment. Children need the presence of both father AND mother to grow and become well balanced. This has been discussed adnauseum since single parenthood has become so common. Children from broken homes, or from incomplete homes, or who lack the involvement of one parental sex, do not function up to standard...they flounder and have asignificantly higher incidence of behavioral problems.
Some serious backing is needed to claim something is "proven". Especially concerning purely social matters like this. Show me the stats that depict hetero couple children vs single parent/broken home children that makes this case.
And as for divorces, they may be harmful, but then it's because the family breaks apart, and probably a certain amount of animosity between the parents. A loving, happy married couple is of course better for children than parents constantly fighting. But it doesn't then follow that hetero married couples is the only ones capable of bringing up balanced children, nor that they are inherently better. That just shows that conflicts are bad, and love is good. Love can come in many shapes and preferences. So a loving, caring gay couple would probably be a lot better for kids than an abusive and conflictful hetero marriage for instance.
Anyway, I'm waiting for some statistics to be produced here unanimously backing those claims. I'll be interested as a social scientist to see them.
Peace
Dan
"YOU [humans] NEED TO BELIEVE IN THINGS THAT AREN'T TRUE. HOW ELSE CAN THEY BECOME?" - Death
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But the flaw in this logic is that I didn't do it. By all intense and purposes they (by committing the crime) did it to themselves.
Wow. They are discriminating against themselves. Forcing themselves to be oppressed and lose their privileges and individual rights.
See, I have nothing to do with that.
Now, bring it around to how gays are also doing it to themselves. How by being gay they deserve to have their rights taken away.
I can't wait to hear this...
Peace and Love
Deni
Weren't you touting individual responsibility in the homeschooling thread?
So why don't you as an individual be responsible for your own marriage and mind your own business when it comes to the personal relationships of other people?
I find it interesting how you can pick and chose what you want to believe based on the situation.
Peace and Love
Deni
Does it inspire?
Leaning out to catch the sun's rays...
A lesson to be applied.
Best night of my life. . .
Noblesville, IN 06-22-03.
myspace.com/justonemorebottle
ACtually, I'm gonna diagree with you. Lots of parents taks can be provided by either parent, but only Fathers can provide fathering, and only mothers can provide mothering. I also agree that there are plenty of heterosexual marriages not providing that, and single parents in the same boat, but and you don't have to look far to see the results.
HOwever, hetero marriages provide the opportunity for that, gay marriages don't.
Time will tell just how well- adjusteed and balanced the child raised in those marriages really are. Some will do well, some won't probably.
yes, some will do well, and some won't. that's how it has always been for ANY family, and how it always will be. it doesn't matter whether there is a father fathering or a mother mothering; what's important is there are responsible and caring parents who are PARENTING.
Does it inspire?
Leaning out to catch the sun's rays...
A lesson to be applied.
Best night of my life. . .
Noblesville, IN 06-22-03.
myspace.com/justonemorebottle
Ah, but it is necessary for someone to be fathering, and someone to be mothering. They are distinct things which are unique to each sex. You don't have to be the biological parent though to provide it.
I think that accepting gay parents raising kids means accepting a LOT of assumptions, and is ALL about the parents with very littel thought put into the long term effects on kids. Not that that is unique to gay couples of course !!
Does it inspire?
Leaning out to catch the sun's rays...
A lesson to be applied.
Best night of my life. . .
Noblesville, IN 06-22-03.
myspace.com/justonemorebottle
1/~ I would dispute that. I've seen more than enough examples of uncles, aunts, and grandparents providing excellent parenting for children. Not to mention mentoring programs like Big Brother, Big Sister and the adoption and foster parent programs. Then there are teachers, Scout leaders, Football/Netball coaches and a plethora of other adults in mentoring/role model positions in a child's life. The idea that it's all going downhill for a child if either or both of their biological parents don't provide adequate parenting is just another pressure/worry to put on smart kids that aren't in a "conventional" family situation.
I stand by the adage, "It takes a whole village to raise a child."
2/~ Just as time will only tell how balanced and well adjusted a child raised in a heterosexual, conventional marriage will be.
Many do well and many do not.
*~You're IT Bert!~*
Hold on to the thread
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very well said.
Does it inspire?
Leaning out to catch the sun's rays...
A lesson to be applied.
Best night of my life. . .
Noblesville, IN 06-22-03.
myspace.com/justonemorebottle
A truly liberal person is conservative when necessary.
Pro-life by choice.
back at you, the pot calling the kettle black here...but I suppose you don't see that at all do you.
A truly liberal person is conservative when necessary.
Pro-life by choice.
exactly
A truly liberal person is conservative when necessary.
Pro-life by choice.
A truly liberal person is conservative when necessary.
Pro-life by choice.
See thats the thing...time and study has already proven that children thrive best in a heterosexual environment. Children need the presence of both father AND mother to grow and become well balanced. This has been discussed adnauseum since single parenthood has become so common. Children from broken homes, or from incomplete homes, or who lack the involvement of one parental sex, do not function up to standard...they flounder and have asignificantly higher incidence of behavioral problems.
A truly liberal person is conservative when necessary.
Pro-life by choice.
This simply isn't true.
Any given child's experience of growing up contains far too many variables for a parallel to be drawn between any of the above mentioned issues and "not functioning up to standard". Anything "proving" otherwise is worthless conservative propaganda.
i also love your 'time and study have shown' ignorant bullshit....always one of my favorite statements. i'd love to hear what study or studies you're talking about....care to share what organization conducted these studies? i'd be more than happy to check out a credible study and source expressing what you were trying to explain in that post....btw...studies from psychochristian journals won't count...
Does it inspire?
Leaning out to catch the sun's rays...
A lesson to be applied.
Best night of my life. . .
Noblesville, IN 06-22-03.
myspace.com/justonemorebottle
this is such fucked-up bullshit i don't even know where to begin. I raised both my daughter and son by myself since they were tiny. their father hasn't been in their lives for about 14 years. they're now both well adjusted adults. they both living out on their own. they both hold full time jobs(actually she also works a part-time job too) both are going to school as well. I'd love to know wtf standard they're not living up to?
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god, i can't even carry the sarcasm on this post anymore. how can someone be so stupid? i mean, honeslty? how can someone be so, so stupid? it saddens me that human thought hasn't evolved beyond this point yet.
Does it inspire?
Leaning out to catch the sun's rays...
A lesson to be applied.
Best night of my life. . .
Noblesville, IN 06-22-03.
myspace.com/justonemorebottle
who is saying this? is this in the sociology literature? or is this something that you have witnessed?? this argument about needing both parents and a heterosexual environment sounds like propaganda from the religious right.
i have known plenty of kids in my 32 years who have come from broken homes that are very successful and "well balanced". 2 of them are my best friends. this is a major generalization, and if you are going to spout that kind of "fact" you should bring a link or two to post.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
it's sad to see that some people are still stick in that mid 90's republican mindset. you know when it was preached from Congress that every single problem facing the good ole US of A was the the fault of single Mom's. this decade their scapegoats for every single probem facing this country has switched to gays seeking to marry or illegial aliens. why can't they just address the actual problems in this country without looking for scapegoats to blame. this is complete bullshit and it's beyond comprehension that more people can't see through it
angels share laughter
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Does it inspire?
Leaning out to catch the sun's rays...
A lesson to be applied.
Best night of my life. . .
Noblesville, IN 06-22-03.
myspace.com/justonemorebottle
exfuckingactly! you got it
I just more people would get it and see this bullshit for what it is
angels share laughter
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Does it inspire?
Leaning out to catch the sun's rays...
A lesson to be applied.
Best night of my life. . .
Noblesville, IN 06-22-03.
myspace.com/justonemorebottle
Does it inspire?
Leaning out to catch the sun's rays...
A lesson to be applied.
Best night of my life. . .
Noblesville, IN 06-22-03.
myspace.com/justonemorebottle
oh i know better than to hold my breath....but a girl can dream can't she? (and no i'm not dreaming about swallowing any hot, sticky conservative load before trying to think for myself)
angels share laughter
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I don't see it cause you are full of it and are just making stuff up now. Because I haven't in any way double talked the way that you have been on these forums... picking and choosing what I believe in.
Peace and Love
Deni
I'm not! I don't give a flying fuck what you do as long as you leave me alone. See cause your right to punch me ends where my nose begins.
Peace and Love
Deni
it's not that people want to be able to tell you what to think and not have you be able to do the same; it's that people don't want you to be able to tell them what to DO, just as they would not do to you. what you think and how you feel are completely seperate from what you or other people are allowed to do.
i've seen the previous posts...yeah yeah yeah, so it's 'disgusting,' or it's 'unnatural'....but all bullshit aside, in all absolute honestly, give one intellectual statement that explains what the fuck same sex marriage for other couples has to do with you, or the life you lead. i'll be EXTREMELY impressed if something worthwhile comprises the following response....
Does it inspire?
Leaning out to catch the sun's rays...
A lesson to be applied.
Best night of my life. . .
Noblesville, IN 06-22-03.
myspace.com/justonemorebottle
Thank you.
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And as for divorces, they may be harmful, but then it's because the family breaks apart, and probably a certain amount of animosity between the parents. A loving, happy married couple is of course better for children than parents constantly fighting. But it doesn't then follow that hetero married couples is the only ones capable of bringing up balanced children, nor that they are inherently better. That just shows that conflicts are bad, and love is good. Love can come in many shapes and preferences. So a loving, caring gay couple would probably be a lot better for kids than an abusive and conflictful hetero marriage for instance.
Anyway, I'm waiting for some statistics to be produced here unanimously backing those claims. I'll be interested as a social scientist to see them.
Peace
Dan
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965