Michael Vick

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  • tybird
    tybird Posts: 17,388
    Pacomc79 wrote:
    All you really need to know about how phony college football is...

    Michael Vick was actually allowed to enroll at Va Tech.

    Stephon Marbury was actually allowed to enroll at Ga Tech.

    wow, both of these schools should be publically embarrassed and put on probation for just those two.

    Think they actually did any of the class work?
    I wonder how many classes those two attended in the COMBINED three years that they were in "college"?
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  • Pacomc79
    Pacomc79 Posts: 9,404
    tybird wrote:
    I wonder how many classes those two attended in the COMBINED three years that they were in "college"?


    well, I mean Mike bought the athletic center I believe for Va Tech or at least donated enought to put his name on it so I guess they got thier investment back.
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  • inmytree
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    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    People who defend the guy are either cracked out on too much TV...or just evil.

    who the fuck is defending the guy...I'm serious...please read through this thread...

    I say he should be punished...I say he should be treated like any other person...plain and simple...
  • tybird
    tybird Posts: 17,388
    inmytree wrote:
    who the fuck is defending the guy...I'm serious...please read through this thread...

    I say he should be punished...I say he should be treated like any other person...plain and simple...
    I think the reference is to Stephen Starbury and the other folks pimping to every camera or mic that ESPN or whoever owns.......Starbury actually compared hunting to dog fighting....which to him is a "sport, it's just behind closed doors." :rolleyes:
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  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    tybird wrote:
    I think the reference is to Stephen Starbury and the other folks pimping to every camera or mic that ESPN or whoever owns.......Starbury actually compared hunting to dog fighting....which to him is a "sport, it's just behind closed doors." :rolleyes:

    gotcha...

    I guess it all comes down to social norms...

    killing a "wild" animal = good clean fun

    killing a dog = bad

    basically one is accepted as "normal", the other is not...please note: I'm discussing social norms and not saying dogfighting is ok...
  • blackredyellow
    blackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    inmytree wrote:
    gotcha...

    I guess it all comes down to social norms...

    killing a "wild" animal = good clean fun

    killing a dog = bad

    basically one is accepted as "normal", the other is not...please note: I'm discussing social norms and not saying dogfighting is ok...

    I don't know if that's the social norm... I would bet that most people have different levels of comfort with hunting.

    For me, if you are going to eat the animal and it's done in a legal way that has been set up with conservation and population control in mind (like deer season), then I am ok with it. If you are just sport hunting for the thrill of the kill and don't eat what you shoot, or poach for profit, then you are no better than someone who participates in dog fighting.
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  • Pacomc79
    Pacomc79 Posts: 9,404
    one thing that's wierd well not really is that we have another dog killer on the team and no one seems to care.

    Jonathan Babaneaux is on trial for basically clubbing his "girlfriend's" pit bull to death earlier this year (pre Vick Trial) but since most people haven't heard of him I guess there isn't any publicity to get from protesting.
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  • tybird
    tybird Posts: 17,388
    inmytree wrote:
    gotcha...

    I guess it all comes down to social norms...

    killing a "wild" animal = good clean fun

    killing a dog = bad

    basically one is accepted as "normal", the other is not...please note: I'm discussing social norms and not saying dogfighting is ok...
    killing a "wild" animal = good clean fun=a food source=an industry for many states=legal and accepted by majority
    killing a dog (for sport only) = bad=illegal and not accepted by majority
    dog fighting (and/or cock fighting, dog vs. hog, etc.)=illegal gambling=two illegal activities combined together
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  • FiveB247x
    FiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    If he was treated like any other person, he wouldn't be getting the lighter sentencing that he will be receiving.

    So as much as the media may not stop hyping the story or animal rights groups denouncing him, there's a price to pay for being famous. And albeit he's receiving terrible press and pr from all this, his status as a star/ famous person actually helps his standing and will give him less to be sorry and accountable for.
    inmytree wrote:
    who the fuck is defending the guy...I'm serious...please read through this thread...

    I say he should be punished...I say he should be treated like any other person...plain and simple...
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  • fanch75
    fanch75 Posts: 3,734
    Pacomc79 wrote:
    well, I mean Mike bought the athletic center I believe for Va Tech or at least donated enought to put his name on it so I guess they got thier investment back.

    What's the buzz on Petrino coaching the Falcons this year? ARe folks excited or disappointed?
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  • NMyTree
    NMyTree Posts: 2,374
    inmytree wrote:
    gotcha...

    I guess it all comes down to social norms...

    killing a "wild" animal = good clean fun

    killing a dog = bad

    basically one is accepted as "normal", the other is not...please note: I'm discussing social norms and not saying dogfighting is ok...

    Marbury compared dogfighting to hunting.

    Most hunters don't kill for " good, clean fun ". Most hunters while they enjoy the hunting, they hunt within the laws of their state; they kill the deer and then use the deer meat for food.

    Most hunters I know don't appreciate those who go hunting for sport or for "fun".

    Killing animals for food is not even in the same universe as what Vick (or any other of these scumbags) have been doing (and continue to do), with these dogs and dogfighing.

    Although what a lot of these corporations do to animals to provide us with their meat, is vile and an outrage.

    Killing for sport is dispicable. You know, like Cheney and his hunting pals.
  • FiveB247x
    FiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    Also, regardless of moral equivocation, Hunting certain animals is legal with permits, etc... dog fighting is not.
    NMyTree wrote:
    Marbury compared dogfighting to hunting.

    Most hunters don't kill for " good, clean fun ". Most hunters while they enjoy the hunting, they hunt within the laws of their state; they kill the deer and then use the deer meat for food.

    Most hunters I know don't appreciate those who go hunting for sport or for "fun".

    Killing animals for food is not even in the same universe as what Vick (or any other of these scumbags) have been doing (and continue to do), with these dogs and dogfighing.

    Although what a lot of these corporations do to animals to provide us with their meat, is vile and an outrage.

    Killing for sport is dispicable. You know, like Cheney and his hunting pals.
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    tybird wrote:
    killing a "wild" animal = good clean fun=a food source=an industry for many states=legal and accepted by majority
    killing a dog (for sport only) = bad=illegal and not accepted by majority
    dog fighting (and/or cock fighting, dog vs. hog, etc.)=illegal gambling=two illegal activities combined together


    exactly....!
  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    NMyTree wrote:
    Marbury compared dogfighting to hunting.

    Most hunters don't kill for " good, clean fun ". Most hunters while they enjoy the hunting, they hunt within the laws of their state; they kill the deer and then use the deer meat for food.

    Most hunters I know don't appreciate those who go hunting for sport or for "fun".

    Killing animals for food is not even in the same universe as what Vick (or any other of these scumbags) have been doing (and continue to do), with these dogs and dogfighing.

    Although what a lot of these corporations do to animals to provide us with their meat, is vile and an outrage.

    Killing for sport is dispicable. You know, like Cheney and his hunting pals.

    yup, this is about right...

    I do find it interesting that most hunting is seen as "hunting for food"...I contend the food part of hunting is a bonus...I say people hunt for the thrill...the food is a byproduct hunting...there is plenty of food available...in fact wild game can be purchased fairly easily...

    http://gourmetfood.about.com/od/wheretobuygourmetfoods/tp/wildgameshop.htm

    but that's another debate...
  • Pacomc79
    Pacomc79 Posts: 9,404
    fanch75 wrote:
    What's the buzz on Petrino coaching the Falcons this year? ARe folks excited or disappointed?


    The hard core fans.... around 35K in the stadium and maybe 65K without season tickets are very excited. They've only given up one sack in 67 attempts and the offense is wide open and moving the ball.

    You'll see tons of empty seats or other team color jerseys quite a bit, monday night will be no exception but that's par for the course in Atlanta. Hey, if they built the freaking stadium on the northside and it didn't take the whole day to go, more butts would be in the seats but oh well. They've never had B2B winning seasons either so that's got a lot to do with it.

    This is the best coach we have had since Dan Reeves thankfully he's only coaching where as Dan's achilles heal was his GM job.

    I've you're a Lou ville fan you've seen the offense, the flexibility is what makes it ingenious I'm just not sure they have the talent to execute.

    I'm thinking they will have a better year than many think though, but in general... the town is depressed and waiting for the draft.
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  • tybird
    tybird Posts: 17,388
    Pacomc79 wrote:
    You'll see tons of empty seats or other team color jerseys quite a bit, monday night will be no exception but that's par for the course in Atlanta.
    True......lived right next door to Atlanta all of my life....been to two Falcons games.....but times to see the other time. Go Cowboys. :D
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  • FiveB247x
    FiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    The irony of this situation from a football perspective, I think the Falcons will be better off without Vick in the long term. He's great and exciting to watch, but you can't simply win by running the ball and their passing offense has always been sub-par with him at the helm. In my opinion, they'll be better off in the long term with a more stable pocket passer. You have to be balanced in all aspects of the game to be very successful in the NFL and the Falcons under Vick were not (they couldn't pass).
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  • Vedd Hedd
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    inmytree wrote:
    yup, this is about right...

    I do find it interesting that most hunting is seen as "hunting for food"...I contend the food part of hunting is a bonus...I say people hunt for the thrill...the food is a byproduct hunting...there is plenty of food available...in fact wild game can be purchased fairly easily...

    http://gourmetfood.about.com/od/wheretobuygourmetfoods/tp/wildgameshop.htm

    but that's another debate...

    Hehe yeah, it is another debate. My roomate in college was an avid hunter, and being from Chicago I was a little naive about the whole process. Most people who hunt for food keep most of the carcass. Those who hunt for the "Thrill" have to hunt within certain limits, ie, not killing pregnant females, (if they happen to be pregnant for some reason out of season) not killing certain size deer, etc. If they decide to keep the "trophy" of the deer, ie, the rack or head, they typically donate the meat, so that others can buy it in the type sof wild game shops you listed above.

    And in many cases, they donate the meat to local homeless shelters.

    Again, I couldnt hunt, but there is a need for it, as deer have lost their natural predators and populations have increased.

    http://www.lib.niu.edu/ipo/1996/ic961104.html

    EDIT: Sorry, this was as of 1996. I quoted the wrong article. Current estimates are well over 1 mil.

    Illinois deer population is near 800,000. And its widely regulated. You cant just go wandering off slaughtering deer. But if someone does that whos just a popular as Michael Vick, he would be under similar scrutiny.
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  • fanch75
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    Pacomc79 wrote:
    I've you're a Lou ville fan you've seen the offense, the flexibility is what makes it ingenious I'm just not sure they have the talent to execute.

    Vick isn't the type of quarterback that the Louisville offense was built around. It's odd to think of him running. It may be better without him, given the scheme. It'll be interesting for sure!
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  • Vedd Hedd
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    http://www.lib.niu.edu/ipo/1996/ic961104.html

    And I forgot to post this.
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