Here is an explanation. He wasn't placed in charge over Norad on 9/11.
Below is from Bush's speech. What I copied are in "".
"Where are the references to NORAD? It mentions the Department of Defence, yes, but only in connection with “programs dealing with weapons of mass destruction consequence management “. These seems to be more about planning and training for what might happen if a WMD were to be used in a US city.
"Statement by the President
Domestic Preparedness Against Weapons of Mass Destruction
Protecting America's homeland and citizens from the threat of weapons of mass destruction is one of our Nation's important national security challenges. Today, more nations possess chemical, biological, or nuclear weapons than ever before. Still others seek to join them. Most troubling of all, the list of these countries includes some of the world's least-responsible states -- states for whom terror and blackmail are a way of life. Some non-state terrorist groups have also demonstrated an interest in acquiring weapons of mass destruction.
Against this backdrop, it is clear that the threat of chemical, biological, or nuclear weapons being used against the United States -- while not immediate -- is very real. That is why our Nation actively seeks to deny chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons to those seeking to acquire them. That is why, together with our allies, we seek to deter anyone who would contemplate their use. And that is also why we must ensure that our Nation is prepared to defend against the harm they can inflict.
Should our efforts to reduce the threat to our country from weapons of mass destruction be less than fully successful, prudence dictates that the United States be fully prepared to deal effectively with the consequences of such a weapon being used here on our soil.
Today, numerous Federal departments and agencies have programs to deal with the consequences of a potential use of a chemical, biological, radiological, or nuclear weapon in the United States. Many of these Federal programs offer training, planning, and assistance to state and local governments. But to maximize their effectiveness, these efforts need to be seamlessly integrated, harmonious, and comprehensive.
Therefore, I have asked Vice President Cheney to oversee the development of a coordinated national effort so that we may do the very best possible job of protecting our people from catastrophic harm. I have also asked Joe Allbaugh, the Director of the Federal Emergency Management Agency, to create an Office of National Preparedness. This Office will be responsible for implementing the results of those parts of the national effort overseen by Vice President Cheney that deal with consequence management. Specifically it will coordinate all Federal programs dealing with weapons of mass destruction consequence management within the Departments of Defense, Health and Human Services, Justice, and Energy, the Environmental Protection Agency, and other federal agencies. The Office of National Preparedness will work closely with state and local governments to ensure their planning, training, and equipment needs are addressed. FEMA will also work closely with the Department of Justice, in its lead role for crisis management, to ensure that all facets of our response to the threat from weapons of mass destruction are coordinated and cohesive. I will periodically chair a meeting of the National Security Council to review these efforts.
No governmental responsibility is more fundamental than protecting the physical safety of our Nation and its citizens. In today's world, this obligation includes protection against the use of weapons of mass destruction. I look forward to working closely with Congress so that together we can meet this challenge." http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/05/20010508.html"
sounds like a bunch of Bush-isms to me.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
lol..it is Bush-isms but this is where people got the idea of Cheney being in charge of NORAD.
Seeing visions of falling up somehow.
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The guy that worked at WTC for 8 days said #7 was cleared up so fast, they couldn't even hope to acquire any real evidence from it.
Also he just didn't hear a bunch of random explosions somewhere ...he heard them coming from #7 as it fell.
I don't doubt they came from #7 and I have never been around a collapsing building but I am pretty sure there sounds of explosions.
Seeing visions of falling up somehow.
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Here is an explanation. He wasn't placed in charge over Norad on 9/11.
Below is from Bush's speech. What I copied are in "".
"Where are the references to NORAD? It mentions the Department of Defence, yes, but only in connection with “programs dealing with weapons of mass destruction consequence management “. These seems to be more about planning and training for what might happen if a WMD were to be used in a US city.
"Statement by the President
Domestic Preparedness Against Weapons of Mass Destruction
Protecting America's homeland and citizens from the threat of weapons of mass destruction is one of our Nation's important national security challenges. Today, more nations possess chemical, biological, or nuclear weapons than ever before. Still others seek to join them. Most troubling of all, the list of these countries includes some of the world's least-responsible states -- states for whom terror and blackmail are a way of life. Some non-state terrorist groups have also demonstrated an interest in acquiring weapons of mass destruction.
Against this backdrop, it is clear that the threat of chemical, biological, or nuclear weapons being used against the United States -- while not immediate -- is very real. That is why our Nation actively seeks to deny chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons to those seeking to acquire them. That is why, together with our allies, we seek to deter anyone who would contemplate their use. And that is also why we must ensure that our Nation is prepared to defend against the harm they can inflict.
Should our efforts to reduce the threat to our country from weapons of mass destruction be less than fully successful, prudence dictates that the United States be fully prepared to deal effectively with the consequences of such a weapon being used here on our soil.
Today, numerous Federal departments and agencies have programs to deal with the consequences of a potential use of a chemical, biological, radiological, or nuclear weapon in the United States. Many of these Federal programs offer training, planning, and assistance to state and local governments. But to maximize their effectiveness, these efforts need to be seamlessly integrated, harmonious, and comprehensive.
Therefore, I have asked Vice President Cheney to oversee the development of a coordinated national effort so that we may do the very best possible job of protecting our people from catastrophic harm. I have also asked Joe Allbaugh, the Director of the Federal Emergency Management Agency, to create an Office of National Preparedness. This Office will be responsible for implementing the results of those parts of the national effort overseen by Vice President Cheney that deal with consequence management. Specifically it will coordinate all Federal programs dealing with weapons of mass destruction consequence management within the Departments of Defense, Health and Human Services, Justice, and Energy, the Environmental Protection Agency, and other federal agencies. The Office of National Preparedness will work closely with state and local governments to ensure their planning, training, and equipment needs are addressed. FEMA will also work closely with the Department of Justice, in its lead role for crisis management, to ensure that all facets of our response to the threat from weapons of mass destruction are coordinated and cohesive. I will periodically chair a meeting of the National Security Council to review these efforts.
No governmental responsibility is more fundamental than protecting the physical safety of our Nation and its citizens. In today's world, this obligation includes protection against the use of weapons of mass destruction. I look forward to working closely with Congress so that together we can meet this challenge." http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/05/20010508.html"
i never said he was placed in charge of NORAD, just they stripped NORAD of the authority to send fighters to intercept planes that are hijacked, deviate from their flight path or won't respond to radio
As a Director for Operations of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Admiral Fry issued an 'Instruction', CJCSI 3610.01A, which superseded earlier Department of Defence procedures for dealing with hijacked aircraft. The document, dated June 1, 2001, effectively stripped commanders in the field of all authority to act expeditiously, by stipulating approval for any requests involving "potentially lethal support" must be personally authorized by the Secretary of Defense, then as now Donald Rumsfeld. The order further requires the Secretary of Defense to be personally responsible for issuing intercept orders.
Fry issued CJCSI 3610.01A for the purpose of providing "guidance to the Deputy Director for Operations (DDO), National Military Command Center (NMCC), and operational commanders in the event of an aircraft piracy (hijacking) or request for destruction of derelict airborne objects." The CJCSI further states, "In the event of a hijacking, the NMCC will be notified by the most expeditious means by the FAA. The NMCC will, with the exception of immediate responses as authorized by referenced, forward requests for DOD assistance to the Secretary of Defense for approval."
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
I don't doubt they came from #7 and I have never been around a collapsing building but I am pretty sure there sounds of explosions.
enough to register multiple times on seismagraphs and register at 2.1 and 2.3??
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
lol..it is Bush-isms but this is where people got the idea of Cheney being in charge of NORAD.
no, you pulled that from the depths of your ass
again,
i never said he was placed in charge of NORAD, just they stripped NORAD of the authority to send fighters to intercept planes that are hijacked, deviate from their flight path or won't respond to radio
As a Director for Operations of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Admiral Fry issued an 'Instruction', CJCSI 3610.01A, which superseded earlier Department of Defence procedures for dealing with hijacked aircraft. The document, dated June 1, 2001, effectively stripped commanders in the field of all authority to act expeditiously, by stipulating approval for any requests involving "potentially lethal support" must be personally authorized by the Secretary of Defense, then as now Donald Rumsfeld. The order further requires the Secretary of Defense to be personally responsible for issuing intercept orders.
Fry issued CJCSI 3610.01A for the purpose of providing "guidance to the Deputy Director for Operations (DDO), National Military Command Center (NMCC), and operational commanders in the event of an aircraft piracy (hijacking) or request for destruction of derelict airborne objects." The CJCSI further states, "In the event of a hijacking, the NMCC will be notified by the most expeditious means by the FAA. The NMCC will, with the exception of immediate responses as authorized by referenced, forward requests for DOD assistance to the Secretary of Defense for approval."
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
I don't doubt they came from #7 and I have never been around a collapsing building but I am pretty sure there sounds of explosions.
I hope they can lift the whatever it is communications ban on the fire and policemen transcripts at some point.
I don't get the intimidation aspect placed on them for talking about it. I'm sure a lot of them would like to talk about it.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
in reality the people that don't question #7, are the greatest examples possible of someone putting their blind love for a single person (George Bush) over their love of the entire country. That says something.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
I can only guess because he is accusing them of covering up the facts that people are getting sick and dying from the debris of ground zero and the fact that in his speech he said the entire administration needs to be put in coffins. Saying something like that when you have become a public figure will grab the attention of some people.
I'm sorry but i thought you lived in the land of the free, that doesn't sound like freedom of speech to me.
Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
in reality the people that don't question #7, are the greatest examples possible of someone putting their blind love for a single person (George Bush) over their love of the entire country. That says something.
if you like; i can modify the video to show bin ladan in the doorway lighting a fuse. if you're going to put your faith in videos; why not look at the originals? not the ones made 6 years later.
if you like; i can modify the video to show bin ladan in the doorway lighting a fuse. if you're going to put your faith in videos; why not look at the originals? not the ones made 6 years later.
The originals... like the footage of the twin towers coming down in approximately 10 seconds, directly into their own footprints?
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if you like; i can modify the video to show bin ladan in the doorway lighting a fuse. if you're going to put your faith in videos; why not look at the originals? not the ones made 6 years later.
perhaps you can show me the 'disproportionate' collapse of building 7 from fire??
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
if you like; i can modify the video to show bin ladan in the doorway lighting a fuse. if you're going to put your faith in videos; why not look at the originals? not the ones made 6 years later.
The videos were taped and modified on sept 11, 2007? ....well then that explains everything... it came from the future....
lol
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
So it is a fake Bin Laden on the tapes...I can't even debate this with you anymore. You are just making up stuff.
One of my previous post are words from Bin Laden...but hold on that was a fake Bin Laden. This is the type of stuff that makes it impossible to debate this.
if you look up his profile the cia has on him it states he is left handed...on the video he is seen writing w/ his right hand....if you want i can find the montage of various pics of bin laden next to a still of him from the video they found in that routine raid?
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
I don't doubt they came from #7 and I have never been around a collapsing building but I am pretty sure there sounds of explosions.
it's funny how tons of concrete and steel hitting (falling on) tons of concrete and steel make a noise.
i can hear a gunshot and tell you the calibre with 85% accuracy. yet witnesses to shootings say it sounded like a firecracker. i'll take solid proof over any eye witness.
do they usually register on seisamagraphs a mile or more away as 2.1 and 2.3's w/ multiple spikes? does it usually show the most energy before or after the collapse? b/c according to the actual data the most energy was given off BEFORE it collapsed, so yes, that is one crazy concept
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
it's funny how tons of concrete and steel hitting (falling on) tons of concrete and steel make a noise.
i can hear a gunshot and tell you the calibre with 85% accuracy. yet witnesses to shootings say it sounded like a firecracker. i'll take solid proof over any eye witness.
so, what made building 7 fall like that?? i thought building 7 was damaged at it's base? if that were the case what were those puffs coming from the TOP floors???
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
"The order was given to pull #7...then we watched it fall"
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
do they usually register on seisamagraphs a mile or more away as 2.1 and 2.3's w/ multiple spikes? does it usually show the most energy before or after the collapse? b/c according to the actual data the most energy was given off BEFORE it collapsed, so yes, that is one crazy concept
we had an old wooden shed on the farm. it had to be at least 100 years old. we cut a few timbers and pushed it over with a tractor. the vibrations broke windows in the neighbors house nearly a half mile away. a bit later the sheriff showed up saying neighbors reported an explosion. as each floor collapsed; it should have registered on siesmagraphs miles away. HOWEVER; explosions should not have registered. unless; of course; the explosives were planted in the ground. even then; it would take one hell of an explosion to register.
the energy given off before the collapse was a plane hitting the building. i think there were eye witnesses to that.
so, what made building 7 fall like that?? i thought building 7 was damaged at it's base? if that were the case what were those puffs coming from the TOP floors???
This is one explanation.
the “squibs” appear after WTC7 has begun to fall, as floors sag across the building, and at almost exactly the same time as this effect causes other windows to break. As these also appear to eject more material than the “squibs”, then the most plausible explanation is they’re nothing more than windows breaking as the building falls.
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Anyone care to answer my question from earlier on today:
"Considering whoever set the explosives were part of a mass conspiracy to make this appear to be soley a terroist act, and who needed to have the melted steel and weakening structure of the WTC story to back them up, why wouldn't they take down the buildings in the order they were hit?"
"The leads are weak!"
"The leads are weak? Fuckin' leads are weak? You're Weak! I've Been in this business 15 years"
I'm sorry but i thought you lived in the land of the free, that doesn't sound like freedom of speech to me.
You can't say things like the President and his staff deserve to die in a public forum and not expect Secret Service or others to keep an eye on you. That is their job.
Seeing visions of falling up somehow.
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i never said he was placed in charge of NORAD, just they stripped NORAD of the authority to send fighters to intercept planes that are hijacked, deviate from their flight path or won't respond to radio
As a Director for Operations of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Admiral Fry issued an 'Instruction', CJCSI 3610.01A, which superseded earlier Department of Defence procedures for dealing with hijacked aircraft. The document, dated June 1, 2001, effectively stripped commanders in the field of all authority to act expeditiously, by stipulating approval for any requests involving "potentially lethal support" must be personally authorized by the Secretary of Defense, then as now Donald Rumsfeld. The order further requires the Secretary of Defense to be personally responsible for issuing intercept orders.
Fry issued CJCSI 3610.01A for the purpose of providing "guidance to the Deputy Director for Operations (DDO), National Military Command Center (NMCC), and operational commanders in the event of an aircraft piracy (hijacking) or request for destruction of derelict airborne objects." The CJCSI further states, "In the event of a hijacking, the NMCC will be notified by the most expeditious means by the FAA. The NMCC will, with the exception of immediate responses as authorized by referenced, forward requests for DOD assistance to the Secretary of Defense for approval."
You are only looking at certain areas of the order and leaving out some other stuff. You have to look at the whole picture. Not pick and choose.
"but perhaps that’s because you’re not seeing the full picture. In particular, what the earlier document said. So, here’s the wording of the July 1997 document:
In the event of a hijacking, the NMCC will be notified by the most expeditious means by the FAA. The NMCC will monitor the situation and forward all requests or proposals for DOD military assistance for aircraft piracy (hijacking) to the Secretary of Defense for approval. http://www.dtic.mil/doctrine/jel/cjcsd/cjcsi/3610_01.pdf
And for easy comparison, the June 2001 document that “profoundly changed intercept procedures”:
In the event of a hijacking, the NMCC will be notified by the most expeditious means by the FAA. The NMCC will, with the exception of immediate responses as authorized by reference D, forward requests for DOD assistance to the Secretary of Defense for approval. http://www.dtic.mil/doctrine/jel/cjcsd/cjcsi/3610_01a.pdf
So what’s changed?
#1, the statement that the NMCC “will monitor the situation” has been dropped. Seems odd, as it’s hard to believe they would do anything else, but in any event, as long as they deal with requests as they arrive then there’s no issue here.
#2, there’s a new exception of “immediate responses as authorized by reference D” (see the 911research quote) to this rule, therefore under some circumstances the new regulations require less approval than the old.
#3, Previously both “requests and proposals” for assistance required approval, now it’s “requests” only. Doesn’t seem to be a significant change.
#4, “DOD military assistance for aircraft piracy (hijacking)” is replaced by “DOD assistance”. This appears to do no more than remove a little redundancy, in that we already know from the beginning of the paragraph that this is about assistance for a hijacking.
And, ah, that’s it, at least with this paragraph: no evidence here that the new regulations affected the 9/11 response, at all.
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Anyone care to answer my question from earlier on today:
"Considering whoever set the explosives were part of a mass conspiracy to make this appear to be soley a terroist act, and who needed to have the melted steel and weakening structure of the WTC story to back them up, why wouldn't they take down the buildings in the order they were hit?"
That really does nothing to clarify or prove anything. It could have been a matter of discretion of the person who "pushed the button" at the time so to speak and what they deemed logical.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
You can't say things like the President and his staff deserve to die in a public forum and not expect Secret Service or others to keep an eye on you. That is their job.
yeah, but this was said after the fact of his circumstances. His premise wasn't to kill the US gov't from the onset. This is his conclusion from his treatment. He still works for the government
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
"The order was given to pull #7...then we watched it fall"
Don't go back to this pull crap. All that meant was for them to pull back and leave the area.
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That really does nothing to clarify or prove anything. It could have been a matter of discretion of the person who "pushed the button" at the time so to speak and what they deemed logical.
So were explosives, not thermite, used to bring down WTC 1 & 2 in your opinion??
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so, what made building 7 fall like that?? i thought building 7 was damaged at it's base? if that were the case what were those puffs coming from the TOP floors???
the base of #7 was damaged by the vibrations. as you said yourself; the vibrations were measured as earthquakes several miles away. if you look at california earthquakes; some buildings stand while those next to them fall. #7 was not built to withstand earthquakes; which; by your own admission; it was subject to. a solid core foundation is going to crack and crumble during an earthquake while others will "float". some buildings will shift on their footings while holding the integrity of the structure. one must look at the construction and the stress put upon it. one must also consider cause and effect.
Don't go back to this pull crap. All that meant was for them to pull back and leave the area.
Where has that been clarified on the record?
The guy says the "order to pull was given then we watched it fall". Not the order to pull was given and the building fell unexpectedly sometime afterwards.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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sounds like a bunch of Bush-isms to me.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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lol..it is Bush-isms but this is where people got the idea of Cheney being in charge of NORAD.
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I don't doubt they came from #7 and I have never been around a collapsing building but I am pretty sure there sounds of explosions.
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i never said he was placed in charge of NORAD, just they stripped NORAD of the authority to send fighters to intercept planes that are hijacked, deviate from their flight path or won't respond to radio
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Fry#CJCSI_3610.01A
As a Director for Operations of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Admiral Fry issued an 'Instruction', CJCSI 3610.01A, which superseded earlier Department of Defence procedures for dealing with hijacked aircraft. The document, dated June 1, 2001, effectively stripped commanders in the field of all authority to act expeditiously, by stipulating approval for any requests involving "potentially lethal support" must be personally authorized by the Secretary of Defense, then as now Donald Rumsfeld. The order further requires the Secretary of Defense to be personally responsible for issuing intercept orders.
Fry issued CJCSI 3610.01A for the purpose of providing "guidance to the Deputy Director for Operations (DDO), National Military Command Center (NMCC), and operational commanders in the event of an aircraft piracy (hijacking) or request for destruction of derelict airborne objects." The CJCSI further states, "In the event of a hijacking, the NMCC will be notified by the most expeditious means by the FAA. The NMCC will, with the exception of immediate responses as authorized by referenced, forward requests for DOD assistance to the Secretary of Defense for approval."
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
enough to register multiple times on seismagraphs and register at 2.1 and 2.3??
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
no, you pulled that from the depths of your ass
again,
i never said he was placed in charge of NORAD, just they stripped NORAD of the authority to send fighters to intercept planes that are hijacked, deviate from their flight path or won't respond to radio
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Fry#CJCSI_3610.01A
As a Director for Operations of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Admiral Fry issued an 'Instruction', CJCSI 3610.01A, which superseded earlier Department of Defence procedures for dealing with hijacked aircraft. The document, dated June 1, 2001, effectively stripped commanders in the field of all authority to act expeditiously, by stipulating approval for any requests involving "potentially lethal support" must be personally authorized by the Secretary of Defense, then as now Donald Rumsfeld. The order further requires the Secretary of Defense to be personally responsible for issuing intercept orders.
Fry issued CJCSI 3610.01A for the purpose of providing "guidance to the Deputy Director for Operations (DDO), National Military Command Center (NMCC), and operational commanders in the event of an aircraft piracy (hijacking) or request for destruction of derelict airborne objects." The CJCSI further states, "In the event of a hijacking, the NMCC will be notified by the most expeditious means by the FAA. The NMCC will, with the exception of immediate responses as authorized by referenced, forward requests for DOD assistance to the Secretary of Defense for approval."
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
I hope they can lift the whatever it is communications ban on the fire and policemen transcripts at some point.
I don't get the intimidation aspect placed on them for talking about it. I'm sure a lot of them would like to talk about it.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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crazy concept isnt it?
fast forward to 23mins to where parts of the building are circled.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2283625397351664218
in reality the people that don't question #7, are the greatest examples possible of someone putting their blind love for a single person (George Bush) over their love of the entire country. That says something.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
I'm sorry but i thought you lived in the land of the free, that doesn't sound like freedom of speech to me.
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
if you like; i can modify the video to show bin ladan in the doorway lighting a fuse. if you're going to put your faith in videos; why not look at the originals? not the ones made 6 years later.
The originals... like the footage of the twin towers coming down in approximately 10 seconds, directly into their own footprints?
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originals like these???
http://www.wtc7.net/videos.html
perhaps you can show me the 'disproportionate' collapse of building 7 from fire??
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
The videos were taped and modified on sept 11, 2007? ....well then that explains everything... it came from the future....
lol
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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if you look up his profile the cia has on him it states he is left handed...on the video he is seen writing w/ his right hand....if you want i can find the montage of various pics of bin laden next to a still of him from the video they found in that routine raid?
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/binladen8.jpg
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/osamatape.html
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
it's funny how tons of concrete and steel hitting (falling on) tons of concrete and steel make a noise.
i can hear a gunshot and tell you the calibre with 85% accuracy. yet witnesses to shootings say it sounded like a firecracker. i'll take solid proof over any eye witness.
do they usually register on seisamagraphs a mile or more away as 2.1 and 2.3's w/ multiple spikes? does it usually show the most energy before or after the collapse? b/c according to the actual data the most energy was given off BEFORE it collapsed, so yes, that is one crazy concept
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
so, what made building 7 fall like that?? i thought building 7 was damaged at it's base? if that were the case what were those puffs coming from the TOP floors???
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d79_1174544516
"The order was given to pull #7...then we watched it fall"
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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we had an old wooden shed on the farm. it had to be at least 100 years old. we cut a few timbers and pushed it over with a tractor. the vibrations broke windows in the neighbors house nearly a half mile away. a bit later the sheriff showed up saying neighbors reported an explosion. as each floor collapsed; it should have registered on siesmagraphs miles away. HOWEVER; explosions should not have registered. unless; of course; the explosives were planted in the ground. even then; it would take one hell of an explosion to register.
the energy given off before the collapse was a plane hitting the building. i think there were eye witnesses to that.
This is one explanation.
the “squibs” appear after WTC7 has begun to fall, as floors sag across the building, and at almost exactly the same time as this effect causes other windows to break. As these also appear to eject more material than the “squibs”, then the most plausible explanation is they’re nothing more than windows breaking as the building falls.
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"Considering whoever set the explosives were part of a mass conspiracy to make this appear to be soley a terroist act, and who needed to have the melted steel and weakening structure of the WTC story to back them up, why wouldn't they take down the buildings in the order they were hit?"
"The leads are weak? Fuckin' leads are weak? You're Weak! I've Been in this business 15 years"
"What's your name?"
"FUCK YOU! THAT"S MY NAME!"
You can't say things like the President and his staff deserve to die in a public forum and not expect Secret Service or others to keep an eye on you. That is their job.
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You are only looking at certain areas of the order and leaving out some other stuff. You have to look at the whole picture. Not pick and choose.
"but perhaps that’s because you’re not seeing the full picture. In particular, what the earlier document said. So, here’s the wording of the July 1997 document:
In the event of a hijacking, the NMCC will be notified by the most expeditious means by the FAA. The NMCC will monitor the situation and forward all requests or proposals for DOD military assistance for aircraft piracy (hijacking) to the Secretary of Defense for approval.
http://www.dtic.mil/doctrine/jel/cjcsd/cjcsi/3610_01.pdf
And for easy comparison, the June 2001 document that “profoundly changed intercept procedures”:
In the event of a hijacking, the NMCC will be notified by the most expeditious means by the FAA. The NMCC will, with the exception of immediate responses as authorized by reference D, forward requests for DOD assistance to the Secretary of Defense for approval.
http://www.dtic.mil/doctrine/jel/cjcsd/cjcsi/3610_01a.pdf
So what’s changed?
#1, the statement that the NMCC “will monitor the situation” has been dropped. Seems odd, as it’s hard to believe they would do anything else, but in any event, as long as they deal with requests as they arrive then there’s no issue here.
#2, there’s a new exception of “immediate responses as authorized by reference D” (see the 911research quote) to this rule, therefore under some circumstances the new regulations require less approval than the old.
#3, Previously both “requests and proposals” for assistance required approval, now it’s “requests” only. Doesn’t seem to be a significant change.
#4, “DOD military assistance for aircraft piracy (hijacking)” is replaced by “DOD assistance”. This appears to do no more than remove a little redundancy, in that we already know from the beginning of the paragraph that this is about assistance for a hijacking.
And, ah, that’s it, at least with this paragraph: no evidence here that the new regulations affected the 9/11 response, at all.
We don’t think the other changes in the document would have done so, either (the paragraph we’ve highlighted is the one that gets all the attention), but for thoroughness we’d recommend you check both documents out for yourself. The 1997 version is at http://www.dtic.mil/doctrine/jel/cjcsd/cjcsi/3610_01.pdf , and the June 2001 version is at http://www.dtic.mil/doctrine/jel/cjcsd/cjcsi/3610_01a.pdf ."
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That really does nothing to clarify or prove anything. It could have been a matter of discretion of the person who "pushed the button" at the time so to speak and what they deemed logical.
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yeah, but this was said after the fact of his circumstances. His premise wasn't to kill the US gov't from the onset. This is his conclusion from his treatment. He still works for the government
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Don't go back to this pull crap. All that meant was for them to pull back and leave the area.
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So were explosives, not thermite, used to bring down WTC 1 & 2 in your opinion??
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the base of #7 was damaged by the vibrations. as you said yourself; the vibrations were measured as earthquakes several miles away. if you look at california earthquakes; some buildings stand while those next to them fall. #7 was not built to withstand earthquakes; which; by your own admission; it was subject to. a solid core foundation is going to crack and crumble during an earthquake while others will "float". some buildings will shift on their footings while holding the integrity of the structure. one must look at the construction and the stress put upon it. one must also consider cause and effect.
Where has that been clarified on the record?
The guy says the "order to pull was given then we watched it fall". Not the order to pull was given and the building fell unexpectedly sometime afterwards.
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