Strange how you believe Bin Laden over everyone else. And there have also been tapes where Bin Laden says he did 9/11 and some of his people have said they did it.
But the tape where he supposidly said this is not him. So where's the prof?
Also it is known that their is no real link to Bin Laden. So if he did do it he covered his tracks really well.
Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
But the tape where he supposidly said this is not him. So where's the prof?
Also it is known that their is no real link to Bin Laden. So if he did do it he covered his tracks really well.
I have no idea what you are talking about. From what I have seen and read there is plenty of proof that Bin Laden and Al Queda did this as well as the bombings in Spain.
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I have no idea what you are talking about. From what I have seen and read there is plenty of proof that Bin Laden and Al Queda did this as well as the bombings in Spain.
Show me the proof linking him to 9/11.
Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
He aslo was right at the foot of building 7 and says he heard boom, boom, boom, etc.. in succession of explosives going off as #7 came down.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
"So I shall talk to you about the story behind those events and shall tell you truthfully about the moments in which the decision was taken, for you to consider.
I say to you, Allah knows that it had never occurred to us to strike the towers. But after it became unbearable and we witnessed the oppression and tyranny of the American/Israeli coalition against our people in Palestine and Lebanon, it came to my mind.
The events that affected my soul in a direct way started in 1982 when America permitted the Israelis to invade Lebanon and the American Sixth Fleet helped them in that. This bombardment began and many were killed and injured and others were terrorised and displaced.
I couldn't forget those moving scenes, blood and severed limbs, women and children sprawled everywhere. Houses destroyed along with their occupants and high rises demolished over their residents, rockets raining down on our home without mercy.
The situation was like a crocodile meeting a helpless child, powerless except for his screams. Does the crocodile understand a conversation that doesn't include a weapon? And the whole world saw and heard but it didn't respond.
In those difficult moments many hard-to-describe ideas bubbled in my soul, but in the end they produced an intense feeling of rejection of tyranny, and gave birth to a strong resolve to punish the oppressors.
And as I looked at those demolished towers in Lebanon, it entered my mind that we should punish the oppressor in kind and that we should destroy towers in America in order that they taste some of what we tasted and so that they be deterred from killing our women and children.
And that day, it was confirmed to me that oppression and the intentional killing of innocent women and children is a deliberate American policy. Destruction is freedom and democracy, while resistance is terrorism and intolerance."
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NO the proof is on you to prove some ridiculous theory that they were cut to make the buildings collapse. The logical explanation is they were cut during clean up.
how is your assumption more logical than mine?
were the firefighters trained demolishers? did NYC make a contract for a clean up crew or did they leave it up to the firefighters? assuming they hired pros, why would they spend the money to cut these beams still 5 feet above the ground versus cutting them to the base,...
if anyone finds the source and date for this picture, id love to see it,...
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Ok, so this guy is a whistle blower for sick responders to 9/11 and I am sure enough isn't being done for those people. But what does this have to do with anything that we are talking about.
This guy is a little crazy though. China is paying for our war against terror?? I feel sorry for this guy if he is sick from working ground zero but he is just an angry person looking for someone to blame.
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Planes were scrambled but didn't reach the plane before it crashed. and no the pilot didn't tell me this. He did say it in an interview but again...just keep ignoring facts.
where were the planes scrambled from? not from andrew's air force base (10 miles from DC)
it's funny ppl say 'he said it in an interview, it's 100% fact!!!'
but when roland or anyone else brings up an interview w/ a firefighter who was THERE or someone you guys say 'i doubt the validity of his story'
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
were the firefighters trained demolishers? did NYC make a contract for a clean up crew or did they leave it up to the firefighters? assuming they hired pros, why would they spend the money to cut these beams still 5 feet above the ground versus cutting them to the base,...
if anyone finds the source and date for this picture, id love to see it,...
me too, i would love to see a source and date for this picture. and also we are forgetting that Thermite "can not burn sideways to melt vertical columns".
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Strange how you believe Bin Laden over everyone else. And there have also been tapes where Bin Laden says he did 9/11 and some of his people have said they did it.
i thought there was a tape saying KSM was the complete mastermind behind 9/11???
can you show me? i keep asking but no one seems able to do it: what is the PROOF of who did it? where is the PROOF it was bin laden?
it's not that i believe him over everyone else, just i haven't seen any proof other than the administration saying so and that bs tape they found where bin laden is fat, has a bigger nose, wears gold and writes w/ his wrong hand
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
where were the planes scrambled from? not from andrew's air force base (10 miles from DC)
it's funny ppl say 'he said it in an interview, it's 100% fact!!!'
but when roland or anyone else brings up an interview w/ a firefighter who was THERE or someone you guys say 'i doubt the validity of his story'
So you don't take the word of the pilot of a plane about where he was and what he was doing as fact?? and I just listened to that firefighter and it has nothing to do with what we are talking about.
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There aren't a lot of tourist standing around with cameras like there are in NYC. There was a video of the plane hitting the Pentagon but it is just a grainy security camera that doesn't show enough to convince people like you.
there was a gas station and at least 1 hotel that had video cameras pointing the direction and had their tapes immediately confiscated...they are also further away so there should plenty of time to see a shot of what happened
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Ok, so this guy is a whistle blower for sick responders to 9/11 and I am sure enough isn't being done for those people. But what does this have to do with anything that we are talking about.
This guy is a little crazy though. China is paying for our war against terror?? I feel sorry for this guy if he is sick from working ground zero but he is just an angry person looking for someone to blame.
Well I did state that it dot not contain specifically what I was referring to as I couldn't find the link. This man has been extensively harassed by the gov't for speaking out
Google...his name is there
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
i thought there was a tape saying KSM was the complete mastermind behind 9/11???
can you show me? i keep asking but no one seems able to do it: what is the PROOF of who did it? where is the PROOF it was bin laden?
it's not that i believe him over everyone else, just i haven't seen any proof other than the administration saying so and that bs tape they found where bin laden is fat, has a bigger nose, wears gold and writes w/ his wrong hand
So it is a fake Bin Laden on the tapes...I can't even debate this with you anymore. You are just making up stuff.
One of my previous post are words from Bin Laden...but hold on that was a fake Bin Laden. This is the type of stuff that makes it impossible to debate this.
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Well I did state that it dot not contain specifically what I was referring to as I couldn't find the link. This man has been extensively harassed by the gov't for speaking out
Google...his name is there
I don't doubt some people in the government have come down hard on him but I also don't doubt that he is probably exaggerating some. He seems a little crazy to me.
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there was a gas station and at least 1 hotel that had video cameras pointing the direction and had their tapes immediately confiscated...they are also further away so there should plenty of time to see a shot of what happened
So on top of everything else you don't think it was a plane that hit the Pentagon?
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where were the planes scrambled from? not from andrew's air force base (10 miles from DC)
it's funny ppl say 'he said it in an interview, it's 100% fact!!!'
but when roland or anyone else brings up an interview w/ a firefighter who was THERE or someone you guys say 'i doubt the validity of his story'
"According to the 9/11 Commission, Andrews had no available fighters on alert that morning..
"All the hijacked aircraft were in one of NORAD’s Continental U.S. sectors, the Northeast Air Defense Sector (also known as NEADS). NEADS is based in Rome, New York. On 9/11, it could call on two alert sites, each with one pair of ready fighters. These were the 2 Otis Air National Guard Base in Cape Cod, Massachusetts and Langley Air Force Base in Langley, Virginia".
9/11 Commission Staff Statement 17
Some sites say this is hard to believe, because it’s known that Andrews had “combat ready” fighters.
"On 11 September there were two entire squadrons of combat-ready fighter jets at Andrews. Their job was to protect the skies over Washington D.C. They failed to do their job. Despite over one hour's advance warning of a terrorist attack in progress, not a single Andrews fighter tried to protect the city". http://autarchic.tripod.com/files/murder.html
However, the term "combat ready" does not mean "available to launch within minutes" on an emergency intercept. It's a more general term than that. For example, the 180th Fighter Wing page tells us that:
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So you don't take the word of the pilot of a plane about where he was and what he was doing as fact?? and I just listened to that firefighter and it has nothing to do with what we are talking about.
that's not what i said...why weren't any fighters sent from andrew's air force base 10 miles from DC? why were the planes sent from further away? if you're house is burning down would you call the fire dept in your town or the fire dept the next state over? if you thought someone was breaking in and had a gun would you call the local cops or the cops the next state over?
they KNEW that flight was hijacked, they KNEW it was on it's way to DC...it enters DC flight space once, makes a u-turn (which ppl said the software limits on the plane wouldn't allow that much of a bank) re-enters DC flight space and it takes till right before the pentagon is hit for cheney to say 'send fighters!' of course it was too late!!!!!!
i just don't get it....cheney said in interview after the 2nd tower was hit it was obvious to everyone america was under attack...if america is under attack why not send ANY fighters or anything up? even if they didn't know every single spot having them in the air and ready would've been something instead of waiting so long.
i wonder....had they not stripped NORAD and the military from being able to scramble fighters themselves in these cases 2-3months earlier would they have waited until right before the pentagon got hit to react???
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
that's not what i said...why weren't any fighters sent from andrew's air force base 10 miles from DC? why were the planes sent from further away? if you're house is burning down would you call the fire dept in your town or the fire dept the next state over? if you thought someone was breaking in and had a gun would you call the local cops or the cops the next state over?
they KNEW that flight was hijacked, they KNEW it was on it's way to DC...it enters DC flight space once, makes a u-turn (which ppl said the software limits on the plane wouldn't allow that much of a bank) re-enters DC flight space and it takes till right before the pentagon is hit for cheney to say 'send fighters!' of course it was too late!!!!!!
i just don't get it....cheney said in interview after the 2nd tower was hit it was obvious to everyone america was under attack...if america is under attack why not send ANY fighters or anything up? even if they didn't know every single spot having them in the air and ready would've been something instead of waiting so long.
i wonder....had they not stripped NORAD and the military from being able to scramble fighters themselves in these cases 2-3months earlier would they have waited until right before the pentagon got hit to react???
Read above post. Not every jet in the nation sits there waiting to take off at a moments notice. There were 14 jet fighters on alert that day which was normal procedure.
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He aslo was right at the foot of building 7 and says he heard boom, boom, boom, etc.. in succession of explosives going off as #7 came down.
I don't doubt he heard explosions...a freaking building was collapsing. I bet there were a lot of explosion sounding noises.
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Why does Cheney assume control over Norad all of the sudden on 9/11. Some non military (essentially civilian) oil guy steps in and starts calling the shots?
what's wrong with this picture?
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
I don't doubt he heard explosions...a freaking building was collapsing. I bet there were a lot of explosion sounding noises.
He specifically states he knows what explosions sound like, and they were indeed explosions that he heard immediately as #7 started to fall.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
I don't doubt some people in the government have come down hard on him but I also don't doubt that he is probably exaggerating some. He seems a little crazy to me.
This was the guy that pulled the American flag from the rubble. He was decorated as the the 9/11 poster boy. Why is he being deliberately stepped on if there's nothing to hide or worry about?
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Why does Cheney assume control over Norad all of the sudden on 9/11. Some non military (essentially civilian) oil guy steps in and starts calling the shots?
what's wrong with this picture?
Here is an explanation. He wasn't placed in charge over Norad on 9/11.
Below is from Bush's speech. What I copied are in "".
"Where are the references to NORAD? It mentions the Department of Defence, yes, but only in connection with “programs dealing with weapons of mass destruction consequence management “. These seems to be more about planning and training for what might happen if a WMD were to be used in a US city.
"Statement by the President
Domestic Preparedness Against Weapons of Mass Destruction
Protecting America's homeland and citizens from the threat of weapons of mass destruction is one of our Nation's important national security challenges. Today, more nations possess chemical, biological, or nuclear weapons than ever before. Still others seek to join them. Most troubling of all, the list of these countries includes some of the world's least-responsible states -- states for whom terror and blackmail are a way of life. Some non-state terrorist groups have also demonstrated an interest in acquiring weapons of mass destruction.
Against this backdrop, it is clear that the threat of chemical, biological, or nuclear weapons being used against the United States -- while not immediate -- is very real. That is why our Nation actively seeks to deny chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons to those seeking to acquire them. That is why, together with our allies, we seek to deter anyone who would contemplate their use. And that is also why we must ensure that our Nation is prepared to defend against the harm they can inflict.
Should our efforts to reduce the threat to our country from weapons of mass destruction be less than fully successful, prudence dictates that the United States be fully prepared to deal effectively with the consequences of such a weapon being used here on our soil.
Today, numerous Federal departments and agencies have programs to deal with the consequences of a potential use of a chemical, biological, radiological, or nuclear weapon in the United States. Many of these Federal programs offer training, planning, and assistance to state and local governments. But to maximize their effectiveness, these efforts need to be seamlessly integrated, harmonious, and comprehensive.
Therefore, I have asked Vice President Cheney to oversee the development of a coordinated national effort so that we may do the very best possible job of protecting our people from catastrophic harm. I have also asked Joe Allbaugh, the Director of the Federal Emergency Management Agency, to create an Office of National Preparedness. This Office will be responsible for implementing the results of those parts of the national effort overseen by Vice President Cheney that deal with consequence management. Specifically it will coordinate all Federal programs dealing with weapons of mass destruction consequence management within the Departments of Defense, Health and Human Services, Justice, and Energy, the Environmental Protection Agency, and other federal agencies. The Office of National Preparedness will work closely with state and local governments to ensure their planning, training, and equipment needs are addressed. FEMA will also work closely with the Department of Justice, in its lead role for crisis management, to ensure that all facets of our response to the threat from weapons of mass destruction are coordinated and cohesive. I will periodically chair a meeting of the National Security Council to review these efforts.
No governmental responsibility is more fundamental than protecting the physical safety of our Nation and its citizens. In today's world, this obligation includes protection against the use of weapons of mass destruction. I look forward to working closely with Congress so that together we can meet this challenge." http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/05/20010508.html"
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This was the guy that pulled the American flag from the rubble. He was decorated as the the 9/11 poster boy. Why is he being deliberately stepped on if there's nothing to hide or worry about?
I can only guess because he is accusing them of covering up the facts that people are getting sick and dying from the debris of ground zero and the fact that in his speech he said the entire administration needs to be put in coffins. Saying something like that when you have become a public figure will grab the attention of some people.
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He specifically states he knows what explosions sound like, and they were indeed explosions that he heard immediately as #7 started to fall.
Ok, so was Thermite or explosives used on #7. Also, there is still no proof of explosives being used. Just a guy saying he heard explosions while a building collapsed.
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Why does Cheney assume control over Norad all of the sudden on 9/11. Some non military (essentially civilian) oil guy steps in and starts calling the shots?
what's wrong with this picture?
I like this explanation the best.
"these claims seem based on two ideas: the first being that the Office of National Preparedness could take charge of NORAD exercises, the second that Cheney being given oversight of the ONP meant he was "solely in charge of the overlapping NORAD drills and wargames on the morning of 9/11". Big ideas, then, but look at the details and you see there's minimal or no supporting evidence. They just don't stand up to scrutiny."
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I can only guess because he is accusing them of covering up the facts that people are getting sick and dying from the debris of ground zero and the fact that in his speech he said the entire administration needs to be put in coffins. Saying something like that when you have become a public figure will grab the attention of some people.
Well the officials were handing out regular home depot dust masks when they knew the place was extremely toxic. Most of his buddies are all dead, or sick and dying from it. On top of that they ruined his private life by outing him as a terrorist supporter in his neighborhood. They even moved the school bus stop because it was in front of his house. The gov't isn't helping any of the sick and dying 9/11 responders, and the money is there sitting in a fund doing nothing.
reminds me of gulf war syndrome vets health concerns and how they are being adressed.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Well the officials were handing out regular home depot dust masks when they knew the place was extremely toxic. Most of his buddies are all dead, or sick and dying from it. On top of that they ruined his private life by outing him as a terrorist supporter in his neighborhood. They moved the school bus stop because it was in front of his house. The gov't isn't helping any of the sick and dying 9/11 responders.
reminds me of gulf war syndrome vets health concerns and how they are being adressed.
I won't argue with you that what they have done to him is wrong and he has a right to be mad.
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Ok, so was Thermite or explosives used on #7. Also, there is still no proof of explosives being used. Just a guy saying he heard explosions while a building collapsed.
The guy that worked at WTC for 8 days said #7 was cleared up so fast, they couldn't even hope to acquire any real evidence from it.
Also he just didn't hear a bunch of random explosions somewhere ...he heard them in a specific pattern, and coming from #7 as it fell.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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But the tape where he supposidly said this is not him. So where's the prof?
Also it is known that their is no real link to Bin Laden. So if he did do it he covered his tracks really well.
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
I have no idea what you are talking about. From what I have seen and read there is plenty of proof that Bin Laden and Al Queda did this as well as the bombings in Spain.
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Show me the proof linking him to 9/11.
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
at 19 mins he makes some good points which are often overlooked.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2283625397351664218
He aslo was right at the foot of building 7 and says he heard boom, boom, boom, etc.. in succession of explosives going off as #7 came down.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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Well here are words from Bin Laden.
"So I shall talk to you about the story behind those events and shall tell you truthfully about the moments in which the decision was taken, for you to consider.
I say to you, Allah knows that it had never occurred to us to strike the towers. But after it became unbearable and we witnessed the oppression and tyranny of the American/Israeli coalition against our people in Palestine and Lebanon, it came to my mind.
The events that affected my soul in a direct way started in 1982 when America permitted the Israelis to invade Lebanon and the American Sixth Fleet helped them in that. This bombardment began and many were killed and injured and others were terrorised and displaced.
I couldn't forget those moving scenes, blood and severed limbs, women and children sprawled everywhere. Houses destroyed along with their occupants and high rises demolished over their residents, rockets raining down on our home without mercy.
The situation was like a crocodile meeting a helpless child, powerless except for his screams. Does the crocodile understand a conversation that doesn't include a weapon? And the whole world saw and heard but it didn't respond.
In those difficult moments many hard-to-describe ideas bubbled in my soul, but in the end they produced an intense feeling of rejection of tyranny, and gave birth to a strong resolve to punish the oppressors.
And as I looked at those demolished towers in Lebanon, it entered my mind that we should punish the oppressor in kind and that we should destroy towers in America in order that they taste some of what we tasted and so that they be deterred from killing our women and children.
And that day, it was confirmed to me that oppression and the intentional killing of innocent women and children is a deliberate American policy. Destruction is freedom and democracy, while resistance is terrorism and intolerance."
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how is your assumption more logical than mine?
were the firefighters trained demolishers? did NYC make a contract for a clean up crew or did they leave it up to the firefighters? assuming they hired pros, why would they spend the money to cut these beams still 5 feet above the ground versus cutting them to the base,...
if anyone finds the source and date for this picture, id love to see it,...
~Ron Burgundy
Ok, so this guy is a whistle blower for sick responders to 9/11 and I am sure enough isn't being done for those people. But what does this have to do with anything that we are talking about.
This guy is a little crazy though. China is paying for our war against terror?? I feel sorry for this guy if he is sick from working ground zero but he is just an angry person looking for someone to blame.
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where were the planes scrambled from? not from andrew's air force base (10 miles from DC)
it's funny ppl say 'he said it in an interview, it's 100% fact!!!'
but when roland or anyone else brings up an interview w/ a firefighter who was THERE or someone you guys say 'i doubt the validity of his story'
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
me too, i would love to see a source and date for this picture. and also we are forgetting that Thermite "can not burn sideways to melt vertical columns".
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i thought there was a tape saying KSM was the complete mastermind behind 9/11???
can you show me? i keep asking but no one seems able to do it: what is the PROOF of who did it? where is the PROOF it was bin laden?
it's not that i believe him over everyone else, just i haven't seen any proof other than the administration saying so and that bs tape they found where bin laden is fat, has a bigger nose, wears gold and writes w/ his wrong hand
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
So you don't take the word of the pilot of a plane about where he was and what he was doing as fact?? and I just listened to that firefighter and it has nothing to do with what we are talking about.
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there was a gas station and at least 1 hotel that had video cameras pointing the direction and had their tapes immediately confiscated...they are also further away so there should plenty of time to see a shot of what happened
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Well I did state that it dot not contain specifically what I was referring to as I couldn't find the link. This man has been extensively harassed by the gov't for speaking out
Google...his name is there
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So it is a fake Bin Laden on the tapes...I can't even debate this with you anymore. You are just making up stuff.
One of my previous post are words from Bin Laden...but hold on that was a fake Bin Laden. This is the type of stuff that makes it impossible to debate this.
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I don't doubt some people in the government have come down hard on him but I also don't doubt that he is probably exaggerating some. He seems a little crazy to me.
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So on top of everything else you don't think it was a plane that hit the Pentagon?
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"According to the 9/11 Commission, Andrews had no available fighters on alert that morning..
"All the hijacked aircraft were in one of NORAD’s Continental U.S. sectors, the Northeast Air Defense Sector (also known as NEADS). NEADS is based in Rome, New York. On 9/11, it could call on two alert sites, each with one pair of ready fighters. These were the 2 Otis Air National Guard Base in Cape Cod, Massachusetts and Langley Air Force Base in Langley, Virginia".
9/11 Commission Staff Statement 17
Some sites say this is hard to believe, because it’s known that Andrews had “combat ready” fighters.
"On 11 September there were two entire squadrons of combat-ready fighter jets at Andrews. Their job was to protect the skies over Washington D.C. They failed to do their job. Despite over one hour's advance warning of a terrorist attack in progress, not a single Andrews fighter tried to protect the city".
http://autarchic.tripod.com/files/murder.html
However, the term "combat ready" does not mean "available to launch within minutes" on an emergency intercept. It's a more general term than that. For example, the 180th Fighter Wing page tells us that:
"The mission of the 112th Fighter Squadron is to provide combat ready aircrews capable of deploying anywhere in the world within 24 hours of notification".
http://www.ohtole.ang.af.mil/aboutus/Or ... Units.html"
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that's not what i said...why weren't any fighters sent from andrew's air force base 10 miles from DC? why were the planes sent from further away? if you're house is burning down would you call the fire dept in your town or the fire dept the next state over? if you thought someone was breaking in and had a gun would you call the local cops or the cops the next state over?
they KNEW that flight was hijacked, they KNEW it was on it's way to DC...it enters DC flight space once, makes a u-turn (which ppl said the software limits on the plane wouldn't allow that much of a bank) re-enters DC flight space and it takes till right before the pentagon is hit for cheney to say 'send fighters!' of course it was too late!!!!!!
i just don't get it....cheney said in interview after the 2nd tower was hit it was obvious to everyone america was under attack...if america is under attack why not send ANY fighters or anything up? even if they didn't know every single spot having them in the air and ready would've been something instead of waiting so long.
i wonder....had they not stripped NORAD and the military from being able to scramble fighters themselves in these cases 2-3months earlier would they have waited until right before the pentagon got hit to react???
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
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someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Read above post. Not every jet in the nation sits there waiting to take off at a moments notice. There were 14 jet fighters on alert that day which was normal procedure.
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I don't doubt he heard explosions...a freaking building was collapsing. I bet there were a lot of explosion sounding noises.
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what's wrong with this picture?
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He specifically states he knows what explosions sound like, and they were indeed explosions that he heard immediately as #7 started to fall.
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This was the guy that pulled the American flag from the rubble. He was decorated as the the 9/11 poster boy. Why is he being deliberately stepped on if there's nothing to hide or worry about?
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Here is an explanation. He wasn't placed in charge over Norad on 9/11.
Below is from Bush's speech. What I copied are in "".
"Where are the references to NORAD? It mentions the Department of Defence, yes, but only in connection with “programs dealing with weapons of mass destruction consequence management “. These seems to be more about planning and training for what might happen if a WMD were to be used in a US city.
"Statement by the President
Domestic Preparedness Against Weapons of Mass Destruction
Protecting America's homeland and citizens from the threat of weapons of mass destruction is one of our Nation's important national security challenges. Today, more nations possess chemical, biological, or nuclear weapons than ever before. Still others seek to join them. Most troubling of all, the list of these countries includes some of the world's least-responsible states -- states for whom terror and blackmail are a way of life. Some non-state terrorist groups have also demonstrated an interest in acquiring weapons of mass destruction.
Against this backdrop, it is clear that the threat of chemical, biological, or nuclear weapons being used against the United States -- while not immediate -- is very real. That is why our Nation actively seeks to deny chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons to those seeking to acquire them. That is why, together with our allies, we seek to deter anyone who would contemplate their use. And that is also why we must ensure that our Nation is prepared to defend against the harm they can inflict.
Should our efforts to reduce the threat to our country from weapons of mass destruction be less than fully successful, prudence dictates that the United States be fully prepared to deal effectively with the consequences of such a weapon being used here on our soil.
Today, numerous Federal departments and agencies have programs to deal with the consequences of a potential use of a chemical, biological, radiological, or nuclear weapon in the United States. Many of these Federal programs offer training, planning, and assistance to state and local governments. But to maximize their effectiveness, these efforts need to be seamlessly integrated, harmonious, and comprehensive.
Therefore, I have asked Vice President Cheney to oversee the development of a coordinated national effort so that we may do the very best possible job of protecting our people from catastrophic harm. I have also asked Joe Allbaugh, the Director of the Federal Emergency Management Agency, to create an Office of National Preparedness. This Office will be responsible for implementing the results of those parts of the national effort overseen by Vice President Cheney that deal with consequence management. Specifically it will coordinate all Federal programs dealing with weapons of mass destruction consequence management within the Departments of Defense, Health and Human Services, Justice, and Energy, the Environmental Protection Agency, and other federal agencies. The Office of National Preparedness will work closely with state and local governments to ensure their planning, training, and equipment needs are addressed. FEMA will also work closely with the Department of Justice, in its lead role for crisis management, to ensure that all facets of our response to the threat from weapons of mass destruction are coordinated and cohesive. I will periodically chair a meeting of the National Security Council to review these efforts.
No governmental responsibility is more fundamental than protecting the physical safety of our Nation and its citizens. In today's world, this obligation includes protection against the use of weapons of mass destruction. I look forward to working closely with Congress so that together we can meet this challenge."
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/05/20010508.html"
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I can only guess because he is accusing them of covering up the facts that people are getting sick and dying from the debris of ground zero and the fact that in his speech he said the entire administration needs to be put in coffins. Saying something like that when you have become a public figure will grab the attention of some people.
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Ok, so was Thermite or explosives used on #7. Also, there is still no proof of explosives being used. Just a guy saying he heard explosions while a building collapsed.
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I like this explanation the best.
"these claims seem based on two ideas: the first being that the Office of National Preparedness could take charge of NORAD exercises, the second that Cheney being given oversight of the ONP meant he was "solely in charge of the overlapping NORAD drills and wargames on the morning of 9/11". Big ideas, then, but look at the details and you see there's minimal or no supporting evidence. They just don't stand up to scrutiny."
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Well the officials were handing out regular home depot dust masks when they knew the place was extremely toxic. Most of his buddies are all dead, or sick and dying from it. On top of that they ruined his private life by outing him as a terrorist supporter in his neighborhood. They even moved the school bus stop because it was in front of his house. The gov't isn't helping any of the sick and dying 9/11 responders, and the money is there sitting in a fund doing nothing.
reminds me of gulf war syndrome vets health concerns and how they are being adressed.
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I won't argue with you that what they have done to him is wrong and he has a right to be mad.
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The guy that worked at WTC for 8 days said #7 was cleared up so fast, they couldn't even hope to acquire any real evidence from it.
Also he just didn't hear a bunch of random explosions somewhere ...he heard them in a specific pattern, and coming from #7 as it fell.
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