Loizeaux said, "If I were to bring the towers down, I would put explosives in the basement to get the weight of the building to help collapse the structure."
While the aircraft crashes caused minimal earth shaking, significant earthquakes with unusual spikes occurred at the beginning of each collapse.
quote]
So were explosives placed at the base or higher up? Here, they claim at the base. But in some of the videos we are supposed to see the sparks and the "poofs" blowing out the windows much higher up. Which is it?
Also, do you have the seismic reports from when the planes hit? (If not I will look them up).
"The leads are weak!"
"The leads are weak? Fuckin' leads are weak? You're Weak! I've Been in this business 15 years"
some buildings stand and some buildings fall. that is true, of course. reason being, it depends on where the waves of energy are coming from and if it hits the right frequency to shake it up a bit. you get a nice tune, you get a nice shake.
It would be interesting to see how much #7 swayed or moved at all. I'm sure it's on video.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
well I guess they just let it burn until it fell...
Yeah, that's it! Not having anything to do with the "pull" comment you seem to love, that has been defined earlier. Considering the loss of life that day and the hope of still rescuing people in the rubble, how much effort would you have liked for the rescue workers to place on an empty building (albeit one with very important documents)?
"The leads are weak!"
"The leads are weak? Fuckin' leads are weak? You're Weak! I've Been in this business 15 years"
Loizeaux said, "If I were to bring the towers down, I would put explosives in the basement to get the weight of the building to help collapse the structure."
While the aircraft crashes caused minimal earth shaking, significant earthquakes with unusual spikes occurred at the beginning of each collapse.
quote]
So were explosives placed at the base or higher up? Here, they claim at the base. But in some of the videos we are supposed to see the sparks and the "poofs" blowing out the windows much higher up. Which is it?
Also, do you have the seismic reports from when the planes hit? (If not I will look them up).
The seismograph can't lie unfortunately. Does it have to be one case or the other?
They can't put a little here and a little there?
What it does say, is that it didn't have to be a complete head to toe wiring job like a lot of people think.
Couple floors here, couple floors there, a good swift kick in the balls.
At least that's what the seismograph "would seem" to show us.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Yeah, that's it! Not having anything to do with the "pull" comment you seem to love, that has been defined earlier. Considering the loss of life that day and the hope of still rescuing people in the rubble, how much effort would you have liked for the rescue workers to place on an empty building (albeit one with very important documents)?
ground disturbance + a little fire = perfect demolition style collapse...as Mythbusters says: plausible but not confirmed.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
People are led to believe that the collapse of a "section" of a building could lead to the total collapse of the building, when in fact there are no examples of total progressive collapse anywhere of steel-framed buildings in existence aside from 9/11. This argument still stands.
Fires have never caused the total collapse of a steel-framed high-rise building.
There are a number of examples of severe fires in high-rise buildings, and none caused total collapse events. Fires in the South Tower did not spread, and showed diminishing flames and black smoke. The fires in Building 7 remained limited to small portions of single floors.
The (Short) History of Fires Downing Steel-Framed Buildings
WTC North Tower
date: Feb 1975
stories: 110
duration: 3 hours
floors burned: 7
collapse: None
First Interstate Bank
date: May 1988
stories: 62
duration: 4 hours
floors burned: 4
collapse: none
One Meridian Plaza
date: Feb 1991
stories: 38
duration: 18 hours
floors burned: 8
collapse: none
WTC North Tower
date: Sept 2001
stories: 110
duration: 1.8 hours
floors burned: ~6
collapse: Total
WTC South Tower
date: Sept 2001
stories: 110
duration: 0.9 hours
floors burned: ~3
collapse: Total
WTC Building 7
date: Sept 2001
stories: 47
duration:3 hours
floors burned: ?
collapse: Total
.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
I will watch this further, but when within the first minute of the movie I hear the guys credentials described as "I'm a kind of demolition hobbyist" (wonder if that pays good?) followed by him being disturbed by a movie he saw years after 9/11 (I would think as a demo hobbyist he would have been all over this shit since day one) I have some reservations about taking this seriously. But as I stated I will (most likely regrettably) watch this as long as I can.
"The leads are weak!"
"The leads are weak? Fuckin' leads are weak? You're Weak! I've Been in this business 15 years"
Les Robertson Structural Engineer of WTC Undated Clip
"the airplane we envisioned was the largest of its time flying SLOWLY and LOW lost in the fog" Doesn't really compare to full throttle, but maybe they'll cover that. I'll be back, time to heat up some popcorn and enjoy!
"The leads are weak!"
"The leads are weak? Fuckin' leads are weak? You're Weak! I've Been in this business 15 years"
I will watch this further, but when within the first minute of the movie I hear the guys credentials described as "I'm a kind of demolition hobbyist" (wonder if that pays good?) followed by him being disturbed by a movie he saw years after 9/11 (I would think as a demo hobbyist he would have been all over this shit since day one) I have some reservations about taking this seriously. But as I stated I will (most likely regrettably) watch this as long as I can.
Yup, reserve judgement till you see it. He's obviously a movie hobbyist too, now. But I've seen some pretty hard core "that can't be possible" people rubbing their chins thoughtfully after seeing this.
Thank you for playing; come back soon!
~peace~
Never allow someone to be your Priority,
While allowing yourself to be their Option.
Talking about the official report describing the heat inside
"...temperatures high enough to weaken steel, but people in the towers did not report such heat." I wonder what the people who jumped out of the towers opinons are about the level of heat. I must say I am enjoying the awkward upbeat music playing over the history of steel.
"The leads are weak!"
"The leads are weak? Fuckin' leads are weak? You're Weak! I've Been in this business 15 years"
Les Robertson Structural Engineer of WTC Undated Clip
"the airplane we envisioned was the largest of its time flying SLOWLY and LOW lost in the fog" Doesn't really compare to full throttle, but maybe they'll cover that. I'll be back, time to heat up some popcorn and enjoy!
The designed impact speed was 180mph which is the maximum allowable speed for that airspace.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
The designed impact speed was 180mph which is the maximum allowable speed for that airspace.
The maximum allowable speed for that airspace? So are you saying the pilots were law abiding up until the point of slamming into the building by maintaining 180 mph? Didn't see that on the video. Am interested in the speed at which they hit the buildings. I will search later. Back to my flick.
"The leads are weak!"
"The leads are weak? Fuckin' leads are weak? You're Weak! I've Been in this business 15 years"
People are led to believe that the collapse of a "section" of a building could lead to the total collapse of the building, when in fact there are no examples of total progressive collapse anywhere of steel-framed buildings in existence aside from 9/11. This argument still stands.
Fires have never caused the total collapse of a steel-framed high-rise building.
There are a number of examples of severe fires in high-rise buildings, and none caused total collapse events. Fires in the South Tower did not spread, and showed diminishing flames and black smoke. The fires in Building 7 remained limited to small portions of single floors.
The (Short) History of Fires Downing Steel-Framed Buildings
WTC North Tower
date: Feb 1975
stories: 110
duration: 3 hours
floors burned: 7
collapse: None
First Interstate Bank
date: May 1988
stories: 62
duration: 4 hours
floors burned: 4
collapse: none
One Meridian Plaza
date: Feb 1991
stories: 38
duration: 18 hours
floors burned: 8
collapse: none
"Prior to deciding to evacuate the building, firefighters noticed significant structural displacement occurring in the stair enclosures. A command officer indicated that cracks large enough to place a man’s fist through developed at one point. One of the granite exterior wall panels on the east stair enclosure was dislodged by the thermal expansion of the steel framing behind it. After the fire, there was evident significant structural damage to horizontal steel members and floor sections on most of the fire damaged floors. Beams and girders sagged and twisted -- some as much as three feet --under severe fire exposures, and fissures developed in the reinforced concrete floor assemblies in many places. Despite this extraordinary exposure, the columns continued to support their loads without obvious damage."
There wasn't any damage to the cores of these building prior to fires. There would have been in the case of WTC from the impact of the airplanes and resulting explosions of the planes.
Talking about the official report describing the heat inside
"...temperatures high enough to weaken steel, but people in the towers did not report such heat." I wonder what the people who jumped out of the towers opinons are about the level of heat.
I read that the towers were designed to seal automatically so that the people in the above floors were literally trapped in. In an attempt to escape from the smoke, some unfortunate people were probably smashing windows to get fresh air. This would probably amplify or progress heat pathways in and around the broken windows, and the people trying to breathe would eventually be literally forced out of the window as the fire explores this new path.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
The maximum allowable speed for that airspace? So are you saying the pilots were law abiding up until the point of slamming into the building by maintaining 180 mph? Didn't see that on the video. Am interested in the speed at which they hit the buildings. I will search later. Back to my flick.
no...I'm clarifying the designed impact speed value. I just know it.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
My buddy on here Specifics (who has experience blowing up things, legally) replied earlier to my queries about the likelihood of success in taking the buildings down with explosives. He had no doubt that whoever would have set the explosives would have been successful in taking down the towers. Now the video I'm watching says that there was explosions prior to the plane striking the tower. I didn't see that on the seismic report. I guess they didn't want to take the building down the first time, but rather prep it for an hour later? This video is going down in flames. But I will continue on. 1 hour to go.
"The leads are weak!"
"The leads are weak? Fuckin' leads are weak? You're Weak! I've Been in this business 15 years"
Fair enough. But wouldn't you consider/describe 180mph by a plane that could travel in excess of 600mph, slow?
The impact was completely negligible on the stability or integrity of the building regardless of speed.
The steel core was a solid interconnected cage of steel. I'd like to know where that all went.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
People are led to believe that the collapse of a "section" of a building could lead to the total collapse of the building, when in fact there are no examples of total progressive collapse anywhere of steel-framed buildings in existence aside from 9/11. This argument still stands.
Fires have never caused the total collapse of a steel-framed high-rise building.
.
Fire wasn't the only factor in the collapse of the WTC buildings. There was major structural damage to all three WTC buildings in addition to fire.
This is ridiculous and probably not even true. From what I have read it is one person telling this story about this. But lets assume it is true.
Here is a quote about an actual demolition of a building:
Preparing for a controlled demolition takes very much longer:
In 24 days, CDI's 12 person loading crew placed 4,118 separate charges in 1,100 locations on 9 levels of the structure. Over 36,000 ft. of detonating cord and 4,512 non-electric delay devices were installed in CDI's implosion initiation system. As the implosion required the detonation of a total of 2,728 lb. of explosives, CDI implemented 36 "primary delays" and an additional 216 “micro-delays" in the implosion initiation sequence in an attempt to keep detonation overpressure to a minimum. http://www.controlled-demolition.com/default.asp?reqLocId=6&reqItemId=20020304145120
That's 24 days to prepare a smaller building (33 levels including basements) for demolition. And they didn't have to hide the 4,118 charges or 36,000 feet of detonating cord, either. Oh, and remember that Forbes said he worked the weekend, so there were independent witnesses around for at least some of that time. If this “power down” was a cover for demolition preparations, then it’s hard to know exactly what could be done in the time available."
Also,
"are we supposed to believe that security systems fed off the same power system as everything else? So a power cut meant no security at all? Look at the affected tenants, if the “floor 50 upwards” version is true -- First Commercial Bank (floor 78), Fuji Bank (79-82), Fiduciary Trust, Atlantic Bank of New York... Do you really think these companies would live with a situation like that, or not object that all security for their offices has been disabled?
#4, even if all this were true, it still only provided access to half of one tower. What about the North Tower? WTC7? No mention of "power downs" there"
Just more made up stories to try to make things sound suspicious but again..no proof of anything.
Seeing visions of falling up somehow.
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People are led to believe that the collapse of a "section" of a building could lead to the total collapse of the building, when in fact there are no examples of total progressive collapse anywhere of steel-framed buildings in existence aside from 9/11. This argument still stands.
Fires have never caused the total collapse of a steel-framed high-rise building.
There are a number of examples of severe fires in high-rise buildings, and none caused total collapse events. Fires in the South Tower did not spread, and showed diminishing flames and black smoke. The fires in Building 7 remained limited to small portions of single floors.
The (Short) History of Fires Downing Steel-Framed Buildings
WTC North Tower
date: Feb 1975
stories: 110
duration: 3 hours
floors burned: 7
collapse: None
First Interstate Bank
date: May 1988
stories: 62
duration: 4 hours
floors burned: 4
collapse: none
One Meridian Plaza
date: Feb 1991
stories: 38
duration: 18 hours
floors burned: 8
collapse: none
WTC North Tower
date: Sept 2001
stories: 110
duration: 1.8 hours
floors burned: ~6
collapse: Total
WTC South Tower
date: Sept 2001
stories: 110
duration: 0.9 hours
floors burned: ~3
collapse: Total
WTC Building 7
date: Sept 2001
stories: 47
duration:3 hours
floors burned: ?
collapse: Total
.
It wasn't just fire that brought down the buildings!!
But you forgot the Madrid Windsor Tower in Spain. It also burned for hours and did not have a total collapse. But a portion of the building did collapse. Can you guess which portion?? The portion where the structure relied on steel frames! Yes, steel frames weakened and collapsed after buring for over 18 hours. You might want to say, "Ha, it took 18 hours for it to collapse!". But wait..a jet did not slam into the side of the freaking building weakening the structure before the fire. Again...what you are saying sounds good and would lead some people to be suspicious but there is a logical and scientific explanation and what you say proves nothing.
Seeing visions of falling up somehow.
Pensacola '94 New Orleans '95 Birmingham '98 New Orleans '00 New Orleans '03 Tampa '08 New Orleans '10 - Jazzfest New Orleans '16 - Jazzfest Fenway Park '18 St. Louis '22
What never happened? The twin towers came down in 10 seconds; straight down.
~peace~
No, they didn't. How could you possibly believe that the building fell within its own footprint?? Check out this picture of the collapse. Does this really look like debris is falling within its own footprint? And a side note, look how much of the building is falling towards #7.
Pensacola '94 New Orleans '95 Birmingham '98 New Orleans '00 New Orleans '03 Tampa '08 New Orleans '10 - Jazzfest New Orleans '16 - Jazzfest Fenway Park '18 St. Louis '22
This is probably all an elaborate Copperfield stunt... If bet if we move the mirrors the WTC towers are still there lol...
David Blaine must be behind this somehow...
lol...he did it with the Statue of Liberty didn't he?
Seeing visions of falling up somehow.
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The foundations of the twin towers were 70 feet deep. At that level, 47 huge box columns, connected to the bedrock, supported the entire gravity load of the structures. The steel walls of these lower box columns were four inches thick.
Videos of the North Tower collapse show its communication mast falling first, indicating that the central support columns must have failed at the very beginning of the collapse. Loizeaux told AFP, "Everything went simultaneously."
Loizeaux said, "If I were to bring the towers down, I would put explosives in the basement to get the weight of the building to help collapse the structure."
SEISMIC 'SPIKES'
Seismographs at Columbia University's Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory in Palisades, N.Y., 21 miles north of the WTC, recorded strange seismic activity on Sept. 11 that has still not been explained.
While the aircraft crashes caused minimal earth shaking, significant earthquakes with unusual spikes occurred at the beginning of each collapse.
However, the Palisades seismic record shows that-as the collapses began-a huge seismic "spike" marked the moment the greatest energy went into the ground. The strongest jolts were all registered at the beginning of the collapses, well before the falling debris struck the Earth.
These unexplained "spikes" in the seismic data lend credence to the theory that massive explosions at the base of the towers caused the collapses.
There have been no reports of people feeling any seismic events before the planes hit. This would be well documented if it was true.
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The impact was completely negligible on the stability or integrity of the building regardless of speed.
The steel core was a solid interconnected cage of steel. I'd like to know where that all went.
REALLY?!?!? So a building is designed to withstand an object (let's say a plane for shits and giggles) at 180 mph. If said object ends up hitting the building at say double that, you would say that was only "negligible"? WOW! When you want to believe in some bullshit, you really want to believe, no?
"The leads are weak!"
"The leads are weak? Fuckin' leads are weak? You're Weak! I've Been in this business 15 years"
Description of the movie is on the right side of the screen.
~peace~
I'm sorry, but some of the most importants claims made on this video were by two individuals (a security guard and a tenant [who apparently refused to be filmed]) Not that there is anything wrong with these two in and of themselves, but they make some damning claims, that if were true would really help your cause (i.e. numerous explosions day of attack, power out weekend before, men with wires and toolboxes, empty floors with loud noises that the snoopy Brit looked at to find empty and the security guard who wouldn't look in even on the day of attact to try and rescue people because he was afraid of the floor [one of my favorite parts actually], etc.) that were only described by these two guys. Most of which were individual claims not repeated by the other. Now with a structure that held thousands upon thousands of people, wouldn't more people have reported, not so much the empty floor renovations, but the men walking around with wires and large toolboxes?!?!?
With that being said there was some interesing claims made throughout the video, too bad most were opinions that weren't proved in my eyes, but interesting nonetheless. FInally, my favorite part of the movie was the description on the right which read : "Finally, watch out-make sure you don't miss the ending-minutes 1:26-1:30. Absolutely the best part. Wake up, and you will make the difference." At around 1:26 on my computer is when the credits started to roll, and on this point I wholeheartedly agree with the movie, That was "Absolutely the best part"!
"The leads are weak!"
"The leads are weak? Fuckin' leads are weak? You're Weak! I've Been in this business 15 years"
REALLY?!?!? So a building is designed to withstand an object (let's say a plane for shits and giggles) at 180 mph. If said object ends up hitting the building at say double that, you would say that was only "negligible"? WOW! When you want to believe in some bullshit, you really want to believe, no?
E= 0.5m * v^2
when you square that velocity big things happen.
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"The leads are weak? Fuckin' leads are weak? You're Weak! I've Been in this business 15 years"
"What's your name?"
"FUCK YOU! THAT"S MY NAME!"
It would be interesting to see how much #7 swayed or moved at all. I'm sure it's on video.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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Yeah, that's it! Not having anything to do with the "pull" comment you seem to love, that has been defined earlier. Considering the loss of life that day and the hope of still rescuing people in the rubble, how much effort would you have liked for the rescue workers to place on an empty building (albeit one with very important documents)?
"The leads are weak? Fuckin' leads are weak? You're Weak! I've Been in this business 15 years"
"What's your name?"
"FUCK YOU! THAT"S MY NAME!"
The seismograph can't lie unfortunately. Does it have to be one case or the other?
They can't put a little here and a little there?
What it does say, is that it didn't have to be a complete head to toe wiring job like a lot of people think.
Couple floors here, couple floors there, a good swift kick in the balls.
At least that's what the seismograph "would seem" to show us.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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ground disturbance + a little fire = perfect demolition style collapse...as Mythbusters says: plausible but not confirmed.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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OK, since you say so, I believe you. Nice retorts.
Anyone else who is interested, this is an hour and a half, but food for thought, made by a self-proclaimed conservative Republican:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8172271955308136871
Description of the movie is on the right side of the screen.
~peace~
While allowing yourself to be their Option.
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Fires have never caused the total collapse of a steel-framed high-rise building.
There are a number of examples of severe fires in high-rise buildings, and none caused total collapse events. Fires in the South Tower did not spread, and showed diminishing flames and black smoke. The fires in Building 7 remained limited to small portions of single floors.
The (Short) History of Fires Downing Steel-Framed Buildings
WTC North Tower
date: Feb 1975
stories: 110
duration: 3 hours
floors burned: 7
collapse: None
First Interstate Bank
date: May 1988
stories: 62
duration: 4 hours
floors burned: 4
collapse: none
One Meridian Plaza
date: Feb 1991
stories: 38
duration: 18 hours
floors burned: 8
collapse: none
Caracas Tower
date: Oct 2004
stories: 56
duration: 17 hours
floors burned: 26
collapse: 2 floors
WTC North Tower
date: Sept 2001
stories: 110
duration: 1.8 hours
floors burned: ~6
collapse: Total
WTC South Tower
date: Sept 2001
stories: 110
duration: 0.9 hours
floors burned: ~3
collapse: Total
WTC Building 7
date: Sept 2001
stories: 47
duration:3 hours
floors burned: ?
collapse: Total
.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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( o.O)
(")_(")
I will watch this further, but when within the first minute of the movie I hear the guys credentials described as "I'm a kind of demolition hobbyist" (wonder if that pays good?) followed by him being disturbed by a movie he saw years after 9/11 (I would think as a demo hobbyist he would have been all over this shit since day one) I have some reservations about taking this seriously. But as I stated I will (most likely regrettably) watch this as long as I can.
"The leads are weak? Fuckin' leads are weak? You're Weak! I've Been in this business 15 years"
"What's your name?"
"FUCK YOU! THAT"S MY NAME!"
Les Robertson Structural Engineer of WTC Undated Clip
"the airplane we envisioned was the largest of its time flying SLOWLY and LOW lost in the fog" Doesn't really compare to full throttle, but maybe they'll cover that. I'll be back, time to heat up some popcorn and enjoy!
"The leads are weak? Fuckin' leads are weak? You're Weak! I've Been in this business 15 years"
"What's your name?"
"FUCK YOU! THAT"S MY NAME!"
Yup, reserve judgement till you see it. He's obviously a movie hobbyist too, now.
Thank you for playing; come back soon!
~peace~
While allowing yourself to be their Option.
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"...temperatures high enough to weaken steel, but people in the towers did not report such heat." I wonder what the people who jumped out of the towers opinons are about the level of heat. I must say I am enjoying the awkward upbeat music playing over the history of steel.
"The leads are weak? Fuckin' leads are weak? You're Weak! I've Been in this business 15 years"
"What's your name?"
"FUCK YOU! THAT"S MY NAME!"
The designed impact speed was 180mph which is the maximum allowable speed for that airspace.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
The maximum allowable speed for that airspace? So are you saying the pilots were law abiding up until the point of slamming into the building by maintaining 180 mph? Didn't see that on the video. Am interested in the speed at which they hit the buildings. I will search later. Back to my flick.
"The leads are weak? Fuckin' leads are weak? You're Weak! I've Been in this business 15 years"
"What's your name?"
"FUCK YOU! THAT"S MY NAME!"
Interstate Bank Building
This is in California, built with earthquakes in mind.
http://www.lafire.com/famous_fires/880504_1stInterstateFire/FEMA-TecReport/FEMA-report.htm
"Unusually good application of fire resistive coating helped maintain structural integrity in fire."
One Meridan Plaza
http://www.usfa.dhs.gov/downloads/pdf/publications/tr-049.pdf
"Prior to deciding to evacuate the building, firefighters noticed significant structural displacement occurring in the stair enclosures. A command officer indicated that cracks large enough to place a man’s fist through developed at one point. One of the granite exterior wall panels on the east stair enclosure was dislodged by the thermal expansion of the steel framing behind it. After the fire, there was evident significant structural damage to horizontal steel members and floor sections on most of the fire damaged floors. Beams and girders sagged and twisted -- some as much as three feet --under severe fire exposures, and fissures developed in the reinforced concrete floor assemblies in many places. Despite this extraordinary exposure, the columns continued to support their loads without obvious damage."
Caracas Tower
http://www.construction.com/NewsCenter/Headlines/ENR/20041115a.asp
There wasn't any damage to the cores of these building prior to fires. There would have been in the case of WTC from the impact of the airplanes and resulting explosions of the planes.
I read that the towers were designed to seal automatically so that the people in the above floors were literally trapped in. In an attempt to escape from the smoke, some unfortunate people were probably smashing windows to get fresh air. This would probably amplify or progress heat pathways in and around the broken windows, and the people trying to breathe would eventually be literally forced out of the window as the fire explores this new path.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
no...I'm clarifying the designed impact speed value. I just know it.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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Fair enough. But wouldn't you consider/describe 180mph by a plane that could travel in excess of 600mph, slow?
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The impact was completely negligible on the stability or integrity of the building regardless of speed.
The steel core was a solid interconnected cage of steel. I'd like to know where that all went.
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I guess back to the "my...that's one hell of a hot open air fire" reasoning.. :rolleyes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJ11i6fi7KQ
you wanna see something absolutely hilarious? look how the BBC represents the WTC cores in the news...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/1540044.stm
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Guys were walking around everywhere with spools of wire and large toolboxes wiring up the building all over the place just 48 hours prior to 9/11?
at 1 hour 4 mins 45 secs:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8172271955308136871
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Fire wasn't the only factor in the collapse of the WTC buildings. There was major structural damage to all three WTC buildings in addition to fire.
This is ridiculous and probably not even true. From what I have read it is one person telling this story about this. But lets assume it is true.
Here is a quote about an actual demolition of a building:
Preparing for a controlled demolition takes very much longer:
In 24 days, CDI's 12 person loading crew placed 4,118 separate charges in 1,100 locations on 9 levels of the structure. Over 36,000 ft. of detonating cord and 4,512 non-electric delay devices were installed in CDI's implosion initiation system. As the implosion required the detonation of a total of 2,728 lb. of explosives, CDI implemented 36 "primary delays" and an additional 216 “micro-delays" in the implosion initiation sequence in an attempt to keep detonation overpressure to a minimum.
http://www.controlled-demolition.com/default.asp?reqLocId=6&reqItemId=20020304145120
That's 24 days to prepare a smaller building (33 levels including basements) for demolition. And they didn't have to hide the 4,118 charges or 36,000 feet of detonating cord, either. Oh, and remember that Forbes said he worked the weekend, so there were independent witnesses around for at least some of that time. If this “power down” was a cover for demolition preparations, then it’s hard to know exactly what could be done in the time available."
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"are we supposed to believe that security systems fed off the same power system as everything else? So a power cut meant no security at all? Look at the affected tenants, if the “floor 50 upwards” version is true -- First Commercial Bank (floor 78), Fuji Bank (79-82), Fiduciary Trust, Atlantic Bank of New York... Do you really think these companies would live with a situation like that, or not object that all security for their offices has been disabled?
#4, even if all this were true, it still only provided access to half of one tower. What about the North Tower? WTC7? No mention of "power downs" there"
Just more made up stories to try to make things sound suspicious but again..no proof of anything.
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It wasn't just fire that brought down the buildings!!
But you forgot the Madrid Windsor Tower in Spain. It also burned for hours and did not have a total collapse. But a portion of the building did collapse. Can you guess which portion?? The portion where the structure relied on steel frames! Yes, steel frames weakened and collapsed after buring for over 18 hours. You might want to say, "Ha, it took 18 hours for it to collapse!". But wait..a jet did not slam into the side of the freaking building weakening the structure before the fire. Again...what you are saying sounds good and would lead some people to be suspicious but there is a logical and scientific explanation and what you say proves nothing.
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No, they didn't. How could you possibly believe that the building fell within its own footprint?? Check out this picture of the collapse. Does this really look like debris is falling within its own footprint? And a side note, look how much of the building is falling towards #7.
http://www.911myths.com/html/wtc7_damage.html
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lol...he did it with the Statue of Liberty didn't he?
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There have been no reports of people feeling any seismic events before the planes hit. This would be well documented if it was true.
This is quite a bit of reading if you follow all the links but to me it clears it up.
http://www.911myths.com/html/seismic_proof_.html
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REALLY?!?!? So a building is designed to withstand an object (let's say a plane for shits and giggles) at 180 mph. If said object ends up hitting the building at say double that, you would say that was only "negligible"? WOW! When you want to believe in some bullshit, you really want to believe, no?
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I'm sorry, but some of the most importants claims made on this video were by two individuals (a security guard and a tenant [who apparently refused to be filmed]) Not that there is anything wrong with these two in and of themselves, but they make some damning claims, that if were true would really help your cause (i.e. numerous explosions day of attack, power out weekend before, men with wires and toolboxes, empty floors with loud noises that the snoopy Brit looked at to find empty and the security guard who wouldn't look in even on the day of attact to try and rescue people because he was afraid of the floor [one of my favorite parts actually], etc.) that were only described by these two guys. Most of which were individual claims not repeated by the other. Now with a structure that held thousands upon thousands of people, wouldn't more people have reported, not so much the empty floor renovations, but the men walking around with wires and large toolboxes?!?!?
With that being said there was some interesing claims made throughout the video, too bad most were opinions that weren't proved in my eyes, but interesting nonetheless. FInally, my favorite part of the movie was the description on the right which read : "Finally, watch out-make sure you don't miss the ending-minutes 1:26-1:30. Absolutely the best part. Wake up, and you will make the difference." At around 1:26 on my computer is when the credits started to roll, and on this point I wholeheartedly agree with the movie, That was "Absolutely the best part"!
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E= 0.5m * v^2
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