isn't it hillarious how none of them can even tell you WHY they support obama, other than saying he's the only realistic option? otheriwse they get all pissy and say they don't owe anyone an explanation.
it's also hilarious how they fish for things then try to make them into big issues (like nader telling a guy he fired he couldn't start a union, which he tried to start AFTER he got fired) yet they have shit to say about obama saying during a national debate that it wasn't true his campaign chair is a pharmaceutical lobbyist when he really is???
too damn funny. they care that nader sold stock in companies his organization was about to go after but no problems at all about obama's lies
but what's odd is how personal they take it that we don't wanna vote for obama
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
He inspired most of PJ to excrete "Rock aroud Barak" which threatened to expose them as musical frauds. Luckily that part of their history has been expunged.
"I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
isn't it hillarious how none of them can even tell you WHY they support obama, other than saying he's the only realistic option? otheriwse they get all pissy and say they don't owe anyone an explanation.
maybe it has something to do with you and the way you communicate.
if you wanna be a friend of mine
cross the river to the eastside
He inspired most of PJ to excrete "Rock aroud Barak" which threatened to expose them as musical frauds. Luckily that part of their history has been expunged.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
isn't it hillarious how none of them can even tell you WHY they support obama, other than saying he's the only realistic option? otheriwse they get all pissy and say they don't owe anyone an explanation.
He made a point that no one was even arguing. But whatever. That's why I didn't bother replying. It's like he's having some conversation that's not even there.
but the media is where you first heard of him, right?
I simply responded to questions posed by you and Kabong about where I had first seen or heard of Barack Obama. You complain about television because Nader never gets any air time, and that's fine, but you don't have to question the intent of others due to that fact.
I don't feel like beating a dead horse either, but when you come out with quips like
He made a point that no one was even arguing. But whatever. That's why I didn't bother replying. It's like he's having some conversation that's not even there.
you're gonna get called on it when it was YOU who cast the first stone.
You didn't bother replying because you're wrong.
Trading magic for fact, no tradebacks... So this is what it's like to be an adult...
so, i'm not the one arguing the media is irrelevant in obama's exposure. how is pointing out that a lot of ppl are exposed to him from the media hannity-esque?
You took one sentence from a two paragraph post that disspelled the notion that television provided the lone arena where I gather information and used that sentence to frame your argument.
Trading magic for fact, no tradebacks... So this is what it's like to be an adult...
isn't it hillarious how none of them can even tell you WHY they support obama, other than saying he's the only realistic option? otheriwse they get all pissy and say they don't owe anyone an explanation.
I can tell you why I support Obama if you'd like. Much more than hope and change, my friend.
Trading magic for fact, no tradebacks... So this is what it's like to be an adult...
I say Nader should run as a 5th party. That way he can't be accused of being a 3rd party vote stealer. And then if anyone asks him who the other four parties are, he tells you to educate yourself on your own damn democracy.
Smokey Robinson constantly looks like he's trying to act natural after being accused of farting.
I can tell you why I support Obama if you'd like. Much more than hope and change, my friend.
sure, feel free
then maybe we can get back on topic of the concept that every single vote belonging to the democrats and republicans and if someone happens to vote for an alternate party even though it was the will of someone else that vote was stolen from the dems and repubs...
and what is w/ this concept of some ppl (note the use of the word *some* so if you feel this does not apply to you then don't take it that way!) that it is everyone's duty and obligation to vote for 1 of the 2 major, corporate parties
and what is w/ how personal some seem to take some one choosing not to support obama? sure i might have snapped back but from the start a little over a year ago ppl have been getting so bent out of shape and pissy over it. get over it.
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
I haven't seen anybody in this thread come out and blatantly voice distaste for Ralph Nader. I appreciate some of the links that have been provided and information rendered that highlights his achievement as a public servant; he has done a tremendous amount of legwork getting many topics out in the forefront. Although I don't support his candidacy, I nonetheless respect the man for all he's accomplished and his steadfast commitment to consumer rights.
Even though many of you support Nader, you still trash Obama. Has he made some gaffes? Sure. Has Nader never contradicted himself or a position he's taken? Is he perfect? Has he never made a gaffe? Some of the points raised about Obama do merit discussion, but in the big scheme of things have his bad moments overriden the good so much that you mock his calls for change?
Is creating a healthcare system that doesn't employ mandates (read: socialist in nature a la Hillary) to achieve inexpensive healthcare not change? And is bringing all parties to the table and allowing voters to observe through media the proceedings between all involved parties not change?
I don't have anything to get over. I'm extremely happy with my candidate and think he's going to be a transcendent president. You might not and that's fine.
Trading magic for fact, no tradebacks... So this is what it's like to be an adult...
I haven't seen anybody in this thread come out and blatantly voice distaste for Ralph Nader. I appreciate some of the links that have been provided and information rendered that highlights his achievement as a public servant; he has done a tremendous amount of legowrk getting many topics out in the forefront. Although I don't support his candidacy, I nonetheless respect the man for all he's accomplished and his steadfast commitment to consumer rights.
Even though many of you support Nader, you still trash Obama. Has he made some gaffes? Sure. Has Nader never contradicted himself or a position he's taken? Is he perfect? Some of the points raised about Obama do merit discussion, but in the big scheme of things have his bad moments overriden the good so much that you mock his calls for change?
Is creating a healthcare system that doesn't emply mandates (read: socialist in nature a la Hillary) to achieve inexpensive healthcare not change? And is bringing all parties to the table and allowing voters to observe through media the proceedings between all involved parties not change?
i voice my objections w/ obama, if you feel pointing out how empty his rhetoric is and pointing out the lies is 'trashing' him then that is your right. he is just another politician, nothing special other than his speaking skills. and there's plenty of ppl who have trashed nader in other threads, but i could care less. the thing i don't get is they keep saying he should run for congress before president, but what did obama do!? he ran in an uncontested, unopposed senate race then almost immediately began campaigning and going on fund raisers raising money from corporations (look it up, his HOPE fund PAC took money from over 50 corporations and lobbyists) and has missed 40.3% of the senate votes!!! how does he have more experience than nader?
as for his health care plan, i think it is crap, it is pretty much what we have now other than if everyone else turns you down you can get a policy from the government. and if you have no insurance policy, like car insurance, if you get caught you will be fined
here's some other objections to his health care plan
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
I don't have anything to get over. I'm extremely happy with my candidate and think he's going to be a transcendent president. You might not and that's fine.
are you taking it so personal and telling me i'm a spoiled brat if i don't fulfill my obligation and vote for obama like some others say? b/c that is who that part was addressed to
now if you excuse me i must go see radiohead
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
are you taking it so personal and telling me i'm a spoiled brat if i don't fulfill my obligation and vote for obama like some others say? b/c that is who that part was addressed to
now if you excuse me i must go see radiohead
Enjoy the show!!!
Obviously you can vote for whoever you want and that's the beauty of it all.
Trading magic for fact, no tradebacks... So this is what it's like to be an adult...
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isn't it hillarious how none of them can even tell you WHY they support obama, other than saying he's the only realistic option? otheriwse they get all pissy and say they don't owe anyone an explanation.
it's also hilarious how they fish for things then try to make them into big issues (like nader telling a guy he fired he couldn't start a union, which he tried to start AFTER he got fired) yet they have shit to say about obama saying during a national debate that it wasn't true his campaign chair is a pharmaceutical lobbyist when he really is???
too damn funny. they care that nader sold stock in companies his organization was about to go after but no problems at all about obama's lies
but what's odd is how personal they take it that we don't wanna vote for obama
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
He inspired that guy from the Black Eyed Peas to make a nifty music video...
He wrote a book ... about himself.
He inspired most of PJ to excrete "Rock aroud Barak" which threatened to expose them as musical frauds. Luckily that part of their history has been expunged.
maybe it has something to do with you and the way you communicate.
cross the river to the eastside
No, it's not just him. Others have asked, too
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Seriously. Enough with the personal remarks from ALL included.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
he's got really cool posters that say "change"
...that we can believe in!
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
If there really is any change, he'll have stolen my solitary platform of surprise! :eek:
Oh you quick-witted genius, you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Coming from you, that means everything, Miss Brains-A-Lot.
hehehehehe
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Don't say I didn't warn you.
Which is exactly what you'll be saying to people who vote for Obama!
You instigated the conversation and the argument.
And Kabong jumped on the bandwagon...
I simply responded to questions posed by you and Kabong about where I had first seen or heard of Barack Obama. You complain about television because Nader never gets any air time, and that's fine, but you don't have to question the intent of others due to that fact.
I don't feel like beating a dead horse either, but when you come out with quips like you're gonna get called on it when it was YOU who cast the first stone.
You didn't bother replying because you're wrong.
You took one sentence from a two paragraph post that disspelled the notion that television provided the lone arena where I gather information and used that sentence to frame your argument.
I can tell you why I support Obama if you'd like. Much more than hope and change, my friend.
You know it
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I say Nader should run as a 5th party. That way he can't be accused of being a 3rd party vote stealer. And then if anyone asks him who the other four parties are, he tells you to educate yourself on your own damn democracy.
sure, feel free
then maybe we can get back on topic of the concept that every single vote belonging to the democrats and republicans and if someone happens to vote for an alternate party even though it was the will of someone else that vote was stolen from the dems and repubs...
and what is w/ this concept of some ppl (note the use of the word *some* so if you feel this does not apply to you then don't take it that way!) that it is everyone's duty and obligation to vote for 1 of the 2 major, corporate parties
and what is w/ how personal some seem to take some one choosing not to support obama? sure i might have snapped back but from the start a little over a year ago ppl have been getting so bent out of shape and pissy over it. get over it.
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Even though many of you support Nader, you still trash Obama. Has he made some gaffes? Sure. Has Nader never contradicted himself or a position he's taken? Is he perfect? Has he never made a gaffe? Some of the points raised about Obama do merit discussion, but in the big scheme of things have his bad moments overriden the good so much that you mock his calls for change?
Is creating transparency in government not change? http://obama.senate.gov/podcast/060914-091406_coburn-o/
Is creating a healthcare system that doesn't employ mandates (read: socialist in nature a la Hillary) to achieve inexpensive healthcare not change? And is bringing all parties to the table and allowing voters to observe through media the proceedings between all involved parties not change?
Is a willingness to work in a bipartisan fashion not change? http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/03/AR2008010303303.html
http://obama.senate.gov/press/060523-lugar-obama_bil/
I don't have anything to get over. I'm extremely happy with my candidate and think he's going to be a transcendent president. You might not and that's fine.
i voice my objections w/ obama, if you feel pointing out how empty his rhetoric is and pointing out the lies is 'trashing' him then that is your right. he is just another politician, nothing special other than his speaking skills. and there's plenty of ppl who have trashed nader in other threads, but i could care less. the thing i don't get is they keep saying he should run for congress before president, but what did obama do!? he ran in an uncontested, unopposed senate race then almost immediately began campaigning and going on fund raisers raising money from corporations (look it up, his HOPE fund PAC took money from over 50 corporations and lobbyists) and has missed 40.3% of the senate votes!!! how does he have more experience than nader?
as for his health care plan, i think it is crap, it is pretty much what we have now other than if everyone else turns you down you can get a policy from the government. and if you have no insurance policy, like car insurance, if you get caught you will be fined
here's some other objections to his health care plan
http://forums.pearljam.com/showpost.php?p=5266293&postcount=21
never got a reply to it
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
are you taking it so personal and telling me i'm a spoiled brat if i don't fulfill my obligation and vote for obama like some others say? b/c that is who that part was addressed to
now if you excuse me i must go see radiohead
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Enjoy the show!!!
Obviously you can vote for whoever you want and that's the beauty of it all.
"Obama's main opponent in this election on November 4th (was) not John McCain, it (was) ignorance."~Michael Moore
"i'm feeling kinda righteous right now. with my badass motherfuckin' ukulele!"
~ed, 8/7