I appreciate your offering and will check those videos out in fairness to your perspective, but a few of my questions are left unanswered. Also, as a fervent Nader supporter, I'd prefer your your input moreso than having my questions answered by a video or link. Not that I mind videos or links, but when discussing politics, I like hearing the sentiments of those with whom I'm sharing a discussion.
And I have been here for months stating my opinion on this matter but I'm no professional so I'm offering you my opinion AND the opinions of people more skilled and professionally based on these matters, as well.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
The day after inauguration was a bit of an exaggeration, but starting so late after everyone else and expecting to get as much support is like going to a fancy restaurant 10 minutes before they close and being pissed off that they won't seat you.
And if money is such a problem how hard is it, if the guy is traveling the country anyway all the time to spend some time knocking on doors and talking to people and trying to drum up support and volunteers that way. And if he wanted to do it extra cheap get a bus ticket and go from city to city. Just because the major candidates have their own private jets doesn't mean it is a requirement, especially if you have the opportunity to start way before they do.
He's doing what is realistically possible for him. As I've already mentioned, he wouldn't even have ran if the Dems would have addressed these important issues that they simply chose not to. Once it was clear which was the nod was headed and what was being brought to the table, he decided to run.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Which Nader has...out there petitioning for ballot access right now.
But to get larger numbers of those volunteers you need more media exposure.
As I mentioned before, when Nader explored a run in 2004 I sought him out and sent a request for information through his campaign website seeking policy stances and volunteer information. And never received a response.
When people offer up their time and convey interest, a response is warranted, no?
Trading magic for fact, no tradebacks... So this is what it's like to be an adult...
and you brought up having held office as being important to you. Do you think that makes a person automatically qualified? I look at the extremely low approval rating of congress and think it doesn't mean shit. They don't or better put...won't do their job as it stands anyway. I'm with Cosmo and others here who have said vote out all incumbents because they have proven themselves incapable of doing the job they were elected to do.
automatically...? nope...
I would hope, though, the person 1 step away from the most powerful job in the world could win a local election...
As I mentioned before, when Nader explored a run in 2004 I sought him out and sent a request for information through his campaign website seeking policy stances and volunteer information. And never received a response.
When people offer up their time and convey interest, a response is warranted, no?
And I have emailed Obama's, McCain's and Nader's campaign and haven't gotten a response. I take it they are all very busy.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
People are in fear in Republicans these days and that plays a part.
But to get more people out there wanting to volunteer for you...you need media exposure in the first place. I mean, all we've heard about for over a year now in the media is this Obama mania.
again, people were into him before what you deem the 'mania'. but obviously this is an exercise in futility.
if you wanna be a friend of mine
cross the river to the eastside
I don't really feel I need to spell them out...I have my own personal reasons for voting how I see fit...I hope that's ok...
automatically...? nope...
I would hope, though, the person 1 step away from the most powerful job in the world could win a local election...
voting out incumbents...? yes, I agree...
Then being an incumbent is not saying to much, eh?
Standing up for the things you view as important and desperately needs addressing? Much more important to me.
I know why and how people often times get elected in this country and usually it has jack to do with being the right person for the job...so this point seems irrelevant to me.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
are you implying no one has ever heard of Nader before 2008...?
I'm implying that a very large percentage haven't, I know because of asking people about him. And also of the ones that know of him, many don't even know he's running this year. And of the ones that know he's running...many haven't heard what his stances on the issues include. Then there's the ones who feel fearing McCain is more important than voting their conscience.
and on and on...
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
He's doing what is realistically possible for him. As I've already mentioned, he wouldn't even have ran if the Dems would have addressed these important issues that they simply chose not to. Once it was clear which was the nod was headed and what was being brought to the table, he decided to run.
obvs you don't have to respond, but i'm curious as to why ralph nader and not, say, cynthia mckinney on behalf of the greens.
I'm implying that a very large percentage haven't, I know because of asking people about him. And also of the ones that know of him, many don't even know he's running this year. And of the ones that know he's running...many haven't heard what his stances on the issues include. Then there's the ones who feel fearing McCain is more important than voting their conscience.
and on and on...
then quite blaming the media and blame the voter and gasp! blame Nader...
Nader has run for President a few times...and the same result each time...
then quite blaming the media and blame the voter and gasp! blame Nader...
Nader has run for President a few times...and the same result each time...
The media plays a huge part in getting people to become aware of the choices out there. You know this to be a fact but are ignoring it based on your support of Obama. People have to hear about a person before they can decide to support them.
Running campaigns for president that the media ignores isn't going to change that fact.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I prefer Ralph's approach and his ability to fight uphill battles. He has proven himself quite capable in my eyes.
McKinney can be over the top and is no where near as articulate a speaker as Ralph. She doesn't have the amount of accomplishments he does, among other things.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
The media plays a huge part in getting people to become aware of the choices out there. You know this to be a fact but are ignoring it based on your support of Obama. People have to hear about a person before they can decide to support them.
Running campaigns for president that the media ignores isn't going to change that fact.
I guess I could say your Nader-aid is effecting you, as well...
I guess Nader has no blame here and voters who don't educate themselves are poor victims of the Media...
Nader had plenty of face time in 2000....and nothing...some coverage in 2004...and nothing....here we are in 2008...and...
I guess I could say your Nader-aid is effecting you, as well...
I guess Nader has no blame here and voters who don't educate themselves are poor victims of the Media...
Nader had plenty of face time in 2000....and nothing...some coverage in 2004...and nothing....here we are in 2008...and...
Of course they should.
Nader was not allowed in the debates in 2000, still reported as some fringe longshot by the media and yes, still even then, well under exposed by the media. He has never had the corporate money the Dems are able to get their grubby hands on. Why do you think campaigns ask for donations? So they can buy media time and sell themselves. It's a HUGE part of gaining support.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
The media plays a huge part in getting people to become aware of the choices out there. You know this to be a fact but are ignoring it based on your support of Obama. People have to hear about a person before they can decide to support them.
Running campaigns for president that the media ignores isn't going to change that fact.
I, like many, was first exposed to Obama when he delievered the keynote at the 2004 DNC. After I saw his speech, I told my dad that guy needed to run for president. I learned he had scribed a book and went out and bought it and motored through it voraciously. Spent a lot of time on his website long before the whisper of a presidential run surfaced and agreed with most of his legislation and speeches. I also think many of his proposals receive too scant attention based on his race and oratory abilities and go underappreciated or unnoticed.
The media boom had nothing to do with my support for him and many people out there would echo my sentiments. Obama moved me much the same way Nader moves you and in some fashions using the media as the main antecedent for his poplularity diminishes the opinions and aspirations of people like me who did the research and threw their hats in the ring.
Trading magic for fact, no tradebacks... So this is what it's like to be an adult...
The media boom had nothing to do with my support for him and many people out there would echo my sentiments. Obama moved me much the same way Nader moves you and in some fashions using the media as the main antecedent for his poplularity diminishes the opinions and aspirations of people like me who did the research and threw their hats in the ring.
yes, thank you. people are spending their free time in their neighborhoods, traveling around the state, and crossing state lines to talk to other people about him. and it's not because they saw him on the today show (i use that instead of cnn because i, like many others, do not have cable.).
if you wanna be a friend of mine
cross the river to the eastside
I, like many, was first exposed to Obama when he delievered the keynote at the 2004 DNC. After I saw his speech, I told my dad that guy needed to run for president. I learned he had scribed a book and went out and bought it and motored through it voraciously. Spent a lot of time on his website long before the whisper of a presidential run surfaced and agreed with most of his legislation and speeches. I also think many of his proposals receive too scant attention based on his race and oratory abilities and go underappreciated or unnoticed.
The media boom had nothing to do with my support for him and many people out there would echo my sentiments. Obama moved me much the same way Nader moves you and in some fashions using the media as the main antecedent for his poplularity diminishes the opinions and aspirations of people like me who did the research and threw their hats in the ring.
Where did you see this keynote speech, again? Most people saw it on TV
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
yes, thank you. people are spending their free time in their neighborhoods, traveling around the state, and crossing state lines to talk to other people about him. and it's not because they saw him on the today show (i use that instead of cnn because i, like many others, do not have cable.).
It might be your reasoning or how you were exposed to him but it most definitely is the case for a rather large percentage.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
then quite blaming the media and blame the voter and gasp! blame Nader...
Nader has run for President a few times...and the same result each time...
I other thing I find weird about this whole exposure debate, is that Ralph Nader has been in the public eye since the 1960's whereas Obama has only been in the public eye for what maybe the last 5 years? I would think the near 40 years of public exposure would be enough to develop a decent voter following, so I am wondering why it hasn't. If after 40 years you can't build a decent amount of support, maybe you have to no one to blame but yourself.
I other thing I find weird about this whole exposure debate, is that Ralph Nader has been in the public eye since the 1960's whereas Obama has only been in the public eye for what maybe the last 5 years? I would think the near 40 years of public exposure would be enough to develop a decent voter following, so I am wondering why it hasn't.
That's EXACTLY my point.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
...
Trust me... you'll have to look far and wide to find anyone that loves America more than me. And yes... America is flawed... and it's political system is a joke. But, right now... it's all we have. And yes, it's a choice between shit or crap... death by weed whacker or bolt cutters. But it comes down to who you believe will do the LEAST amount of harm to our nation. It's a terrible situation that we, as voters, help to perpetuate.
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And the change doesn't come from the White House... it comes from Congress. What americans need to do is fire their Representatives. If I had a 12% job approval rating... I'd be out of a job. But, we keep hiring these fools.. then, we complain about them.
Voters need to send a message. Fire the incumbant... I don't care who is holding that seat... Senator Kennedy, Senator Feinstein, Senator McCain, Senator Clinton, Senator Obama and anyone currently in the House. Juist don't vote for any incumbant... vote for anyone else.
I can guarantee you... that if this ever happens... just once... where the American voter finally says, "YOU ARE FIRED!!! NOW, GET THE HELL OUT!!!"... that's all it would take to make those fuckers shake in their shoes and get shit done. and it would reverberate all the way through the White House.
to quote wayne coyne
All we have is now -
All we've ever had was now
All we have is now
All we'll ever have is now
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Congress has done a shitty job and hasn't carried out the will of the people. Even though Congress does create legislation, unless there's a working, veto-proof majority and conflicting leadership (Democratic Congress & Republican president), gridlock will continue to exist. If the Dems had enough votes to rule out the specter of a veto and the status quo was the same, I could understand the shithouse approval rating. The 2006 election was a demand from the voters to get the fuck out of Iraq and that has yet to materialize which will probably dictate more Republicans losing their seats.
More independents in Congress is the recipe for improvement, imho ~ people who can vote on individual issues rather than along party lines.
but the dems just rolled over! on the war, on wiretapping.....
they may not have what it takes to override a veto but they have enough to filibuster instead of asking once and giving up
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
...
Then, all you need is for others to join in and hack away, too.
Count me in... except, my protest vote is going to write-in candidate, Stephen Colbert.
the pocket colbert said to vote kucinich
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Well, I like to think people are voting on the individual and not a party. That is another huge problem. Why does there even need to be political parties?
washington was against political parties as well
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Or, We are trying to eliminate a mortal threat. When police feel their lives are in danger they shoot to kill, not injure to later take to prison and teach them their lesson. - a flawed example I'm sure, but it's my way of saying that I feel our way of life is being threatened and that the threat needs to be eliminated.
I like your "You're FIRED!" post much better.
I'm saddened when people say "It's too late." Sudden turn arounds happen. (Hello, Patriot Act) I say, hope and WORK for the best. At this time, the three mainstream candidates are not addressing my concerns enough to earn my vote - not even close. I will always vote for the candidate I feel is best for the country. Even if my candidate does not win, I hope he has enough impact for those who are in office to take a look at his policies and consider adopting more of them.
.....
You know, if we could all participate in a general strike, politicians and corporations alike would stop and listen. They ARE dependent upon us and we outnumber them.
There are better things
to talk about
Be constructive
Bear witness
We can use
Be constructive
with your blues
Even when it's only
warnings
Even when you're talking
war games......
2 days!!!!!!!!
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Comments
And I have been here for months stating my opinion on this matter but I'm no professional so I'm offering you my opinion AND the opinions of people more skilled and professionally based on these matters, as well.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
He's doing what is realistically possible for him. As I've already mentioned, he wouldn't even have ran if the Dems would have addressed these important issues that they simply chose not to. Once it was clear which was the nod was headed and what was being brought to the table, he decided to run.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
As I mentioned before, when Nader explored a run in 2004 I sought him out and sent a request for information through his campaign website seeking policy stances and volunteer information. And never received a response.
When people offer up their time and convey interest, a response is warranted, no?
I don't really feel I need to spell them out...I have my own personal reasons for voting how I see fit...I hope that's ok...
automatically...? nope...
I would hope, though, the person 1 step away from the most powerful job in the world could win a local election...
voting out incumbents...? yes, I agree...
And I have emailed Obama's, McCain's and Nader's campaign and haven't gotten a response. I take it they are all very busy.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
are you implying no one has ever heard of Nader before 2008...?
again, people were into him before what you deem the 'mania'. but obviously this is an exercise in futility.
cross the river to the eastside
oh snap.
cross the river to the eastside
Then being an incumbent is not saying to much, eh?
Standing up for the things you view as important and desperately needs addressing? Much more important to me.
I know why and how people often times get elected in this country and usually it has jack to do with being the right person for the job...so this point seems irrelevant to me.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I'm implying that a very large percentage haven't, I know because of asking people about him. And also of the ones that know of him, many don't even know he's running this year. And of the ones that know he's running...many haven't heard what his stances on the issues include. Then there's the ones who feel fearing McCain is more important than voting their conscience.
and on and on...
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
That works both ways, I'm sure you know.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
obvs you don't have to respond, but i'm curious as to why ralph nader and not, say, cynthia mckinney on behalf of the greens.
http://www.runcynthiarun.org/ReconstructionManifesto
cross the river to the eastside
then quite blaming the media and blame the voter and gasp! blame Nader...
Nader has run for President a few times...and the same result each time...
The media plays a huge part in getting people to become aware of the choices out there. You know this to be a fact but are ignoring it based on your support of Obama. People have to hear about a person before they can decide to support them.
Running campaigns for president that the media ignores isn't going to change that fact.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I prefer Ralph's approach and his ability to fight uphill battles. He has proven himself quite capable in my eyes.
McKinney can be over the top and is no where near as articulate a speaker as Ralph. She doesn't have the amount of accomplishments he does, among other things.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I guess I could say your Nader-aid is effecting you, as well...
I guess Nader has no blame here and voters who don't educate themselves are poor victims of the Media...
Nader had plenty of face time in 2000....and nothing...some coverage in 2004...and nothing....here we are in 2008...and...
yep
Of course they should.
Nader was not allowed in the debates in 2000, still reported as some fringe longshot by the media and yes, still even then, well under exposed by the media. He has never had the corporate money the Dems are able to get their grubby hands on. Why do you think campaigns ask for donations? So they can buy media time and sell themselves. It's a HUGE part of gaining support.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I, like many, was first exposed to Obama when he delievered the keynote at the 2004 DNC. After I saw his speech, I told my dad that guy needed to run for president. I learned he had scribed a book and went out and bought it and motored through it voraciously. Spent a lot of time on his website long before the whisper of a presidential run surfaced and agreed with most of his legislation and speeches. I also think many of his proposals receive too scant attention based on his race and oratory abilities and go underappreciated or unnoticed.
The media boom had nothing to do with my support for him and many people out there would echo my sentiments. Obama moved me much the same way Nader moves you and in some fashions using the media as the main antecedent for his poplularity diminishes the opinions and aspirations of people like me who did the research and threw their hats in the ring.
yes, thank you. people are spending their free time in their neighborhoods, traveling around the state, and crossing state lines to talk to other people about him. and it's not because they saw him on the today show (i use that instead of cnn because i, like many others, do not have cable.).
cross the river to the eastside
Where did you see this keynote speech, again? Most people saw it on TV
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
It might be your reasoning or how you were exposed to him but it most definitely is the case for a rather large percentage.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I other thing I find weird about this whole exposure debate, is that Ralph Nader has been in the public eye since the 1960's whereas Obama has only been in the public eye for what maybe the last 5 years? I would think the near 40 years of public exposure would be enough to develop a decent voter following, so I am wondering why it hasn't. If after 40 years you can't build a decent amount of support, maybe you have to no one to blame but yourself.
That's EXACTLY my point.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
to quote wayne coyne
All we have is now -
All we've ever had was now
All we have is now
All we'll ever have is now
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
but the dems just rolled over! on the war, on wiretapping.....
they may not have what it takes to override a veto but they have enough to filibuster instead of asking once and giving up
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
the pocket colbert said to vote kucinich
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
washington was against political parties as well
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Q5wTaRYNhto
There are better things
to talk about
Be constructive
Bear witness
We can use
Be constructive
with your blues
Even when it's only
warnings
Even when you're talking
war games......
2 days!!!!!!!!
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way