So you think the 2 major parties should run uncontested for president? Give you no other options? Why would they even bother addressing issues then? They could just give you whatever they felt like throwing out.
It is unbelievable how low the approval ratings are for congress and the president yet people are too fucking complacent to do anything about or even think 'Gee...these guys sure do suck. Maybe we should try something new? Nah, lets just stick with these clowns because it's all we are capable of.'
I never said anything about only having "2 major parties run uncontested"...I wanted Bloomberg to jump into the race as a third party...at least he has some gov't experience...
I'm specifically saying Nader should start in congress and move his way up...as it stands, I know little about how he would truly vote...don't laugh or get upset, but it's true...I say he has to work is way up, rather that jump to the top...
we're talking about the President of the United States...and I know this...I'm not going to vote for a ticket that has some guy(the cute fella Matt) one step away from the Presidency when he couldn't win the race for Mayor...
Please understand something...many, including me, would like changes in how this country is run...but Nader/Matty is not for me...sorry...
Christ...my first post in this thread supported third party candidates...but I guess that's not enough...I guess I must support Nader...or maybe I'm just too fucking complacent...or maybe I think Nader/Matty is not the answer...
I never said anything about only having "2 major parties run uncontested"...I wanted Bloomberg to jump into the race as a third party...at least he has some gov't experience...
I'm specifically saying Nader should start in congress and move his way up...as it stands, I know little about how he would truly vote...don't laugh or get upset, but it's true...I say he has to work is way up, rather that jump to the top...
we're talking about the President of the United States...and I know this...I'm not going to vote for a ticket that has some guy(the cute fella Matt) one step away from the Presidency when he couldn't win the race for Mayor...
Please understand something...many, including me, would like changes in how this country is run...but Nader/Matty is not for me...sorry...
Christ...my first post in this thread supported third party candidates...but I guess that's not enough...I guess I must support Nader...or maybe I'm just too fucking complacent...or maybe I think Nader/Matty is not the answer...
You have every right to post what you want to but that doesn't mean I'm not going to challenge the premise you're basing your points on.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I understand it's difficult raising money when not affiliated with a major party, but if you consider Ron Paul, he is in some essences an outside candidate even though he's declared Republican. Look at how much money Howard Dean (I do understand the vast difference between an activist and a governor) raised online and the doors his campaign opened for candidates to court small donors. It can't be that expensive to run an online campaign. If he can afford a website with a "contact us" section, he can afford to offer respnses to potential voters.
I'll give you that it would be nearly impossible to run a dollar for dollar campaign, but if he utilized the grasrrots resources and internet, he wouldn't have to wait a year after oother candidates declared to make his own declaration.
Somebody mentioned earlier that he spends a lot of time in the public arena speaking about issues ~ how hard would it have been for him to do so and state at the end of each gathering that he's running for president?
If you'd watch those videos or read the things I've posted about fighting for ballot access(check out the thread titled Ralph Nader) then you might understand exactly how much effort and up hill battles the Nader campaign has to face.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
How is he going to run a campaign for as long as the other candidates when he's not funded by huge corporate donations? Let's be real here.
perhaps he should have used his small chunk of money at the beginning to get out there when everyone else was. i would think if if goal was to have candidates pay attention to his issues, he would have been campaigning earlier around/before the debates. and you've posted about his support. that percent of the population you claim support nader could have funded a longer run. if it's about the issues for him, i don't understand why he waited so long. it's much easier to ignore him now. and people who are so insistent on voting for him are lost to the dems anyway. they'll spend their money where they're more likely to get votes.
if you wanna be a friend of mine
cross the river to the eastside
I support those who vote 3rd party...plain and simple...
I don't support the current 3rd party choice/s....
And that's your right.
All I've done here is to challenge preconceived notions and points I disagree with....also my right to do so.
I think Nader has plenty of gov't experience and we'd be hard pressed to find anyone who is more knowledgable on how this country is ran and the way our laws are supposed to work for us.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
If you'd watch those videos or read the things I've posted about fighting for ballot access(check out the thread titled Ralph Nader) then you might understand exactly how much effort and up hill battles the Nader campaign has to face.
I appreciate your offering and will check those videos out in fairness to your perspective, but a few of my questions are left unanswered. Also, as a fervent Nader supporter, I'd prefer your your input moreso than having my questions answered by a video or link. Not that I mind videos or links, but when discussing politics, I like hearing the sentiments of those with whom I'm sharing a discussion.
Trading magic for fact, no tradebacks... So this is what it's like to be an adult...
All I've done here is to challenge preconceived notions and points I disagree with....also my right to do so.
I think Nader has plenty of gov't experience and we'd be hard pressed to find anyone who is more knowledgable on how this country is ran and the way our laws are supposed to work for us.
And I'm doing the same (challenge preconceived notions and points I disagree with)....
for example, my point about Mr. Gonzales...he wants to be VP, yet he can't win a mayor's race...your thoughts...?
I understand it's difficult raising money when not affiliated with a major party, but if you consider Ron Paul, he is in some essences an outside candidate even though he's declared Republican. Look at how much money Howard Dean (I do understand the vast difference between an activist and a governor) raised online and the doors his campaign opened for candidates to court small donors. It can't be that expensive to run an online campaign. If he can afford a website with a "contact us" section, he can afford to offer responses to potential voters.
I'll give you that it would be nearly impossible to run a dollar for dollar campaign, but if he utilized the grasrrots resources and internet, he wouldn't have to wait a year after oother candidates declared to make his own declaration.
Somebody mentioned earlier that he spends a lot of time in the public arena speaking about issues ~ how hard would it have been for him to do so and state at the end of each gathering that he's running for president?
seriously. think about the millions of dollars obama raised from the internet---people donating 5 dollars at a time, for example.
if you wanna be a friend of mine
cross the river to the eastside
perhaps he should have used his small chunk of money at the beginning to get out there when everyone else was. i would think if if goal was to have candidates pay attention to his issues, he would have been campaigning earlier around/before the debates. and you've posted about his support. that percent of the population you claim support nader could have funded a longer run. if it's about the issues for him, i don't understand why he waited so long. it's much easier to ignore him now. and people who are so insistent on voting for him are lost to the dems anyway. they'll spend their money where they're more likely to get votes.
Why? And then run out when it's crunch time? He would not be able to keep up. Also he waited to announce hoping the Dems would address these issues that have been largely ignored in years past...they chose not to and he chose to run to gain some spotlight on all those issues the Dems would more than happily keep swept under the rug.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
All I've done here is to challenge preconceived notions and points I disagree with....also my right to do so.
I think Nader has plenty of gov't experience and we'd be hard pressed to find anyone who is more knowledgable on how this country is ran and the way our laws are supposed to work for us.
Ron Paul has a pretty good grasp on Constitutional matters.
Trading magic for fact, no tradebacks... So this is what it's like to be an adult...
But Obama's face is plastered all over CNN 24/7. You can not get around that fact playing a HUGE part in this.
actually what is really playing a HUGE part in this is the many many volunteers on the campaign who have been phonebanking and canvassing. that's where it's at. people connect with people sharing their own opinions with each other. not with the tv. people on the ground made this happen.
if you wanna be a friend of mine
cross the river to the eastside
and you brought up having held office as being important to you. Do you think that makes a person automatically qualified? I look at the extremely low approval rating of congress and think it doesn't mean shit. They don't or better put...won't do their job as it stands anyway. I'm with Cosmo and others here who have said vote out all incumbents because they have proven themselves incapable of doing the job they were elected to do.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
actually what is really playing a HUGE part in this is the many many volunteers on the campaign who have been phonebanking and canvassing. that's where it's at. people connect with people sharing their own opinions with each other. not with the tv. people on the ground made this happen.
I disagree with your assessment that TV hasn't played a HUGE role in gaining all the support he has gotten. That's why he got so many people to volunteer for him in the first place.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Obama got press from the get go being allowed into the Democratic debates and has tons of press building his momentum for over a year. You can not say with a straight face that this hasn't been all the difference in the world.
Nader would never be allowed in the debates. And he'd mop the floor with the rest if he ever were.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I disagree with your assessment that TV hasn't played a HUGE role in gaining all the support he has gotten. That's why he got so many people to volunteer for him in the first place.
oh i don't think so. no one knew who he was 'in the first place'. his name was mentioned after the 2004 convention. people read his book and got excited. when he announced clinton was favored to win the nomination. people connected with him and his beliefs and built a movement. sure tv gives him exposure, but there were many excited and interested people before he started getting all that exposure.
i never said tv doesn't help. but it didn't build the movement. i believe if enough people cared about nader, he'd get some exposure too.
if you wanna be a friend of mine
cross the river to the eastside
Do you honestly think the average person wants to start hearing about someone running for office the day after inauguration day? Maybe they should, but most are probably happy all the frenzy surrounding the last election is finally over. Also he's not made of money....it takes money to run a campaign.
The day after inauguration was a bit of an exaggeration, but starting so late after everyone else and expecting to get as much support is like going to a fancy restaurant 10 minutes before they close and being pissed off that they won't seat you.
And if money is such a problem how hard is it, if the guy is traveling the country anyway all the time to spend some time knocking on doors and talking to people and trying to drum up support and volunteers that way. And if he wanted to do it extra cheap get a bus ticket and go from city to city. Just because the major candidates have their own private jets doesn't mean it is a requirement, especially if you have the opportunity to start way before they do.
oh i don't think so. no one knew who he was 'in the first place'. his name was mentioned after the 2004 convention. people read his book and got excited. when he announced clinton was favored to win the nomination. people connected with him and his beliefs and built a movement. sure tv gives him exposure, but there were many excited and interested people before he started getting all that exposure.
i never said tv doesn't help. but it didn't build the movement. i believe if enough people cared about nader, he'd get some exposure too.
People are in fear in Republicans these days and that plays a part.
But to get more people out there wanting to volunteer for you...you need media exposure in the first place. I mean, all we've heard about for over a year now in the media is this Obama mania.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
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I never said anything about only having "2 major parties run uncontested"...I wanted Bloomberg to jump into the race as a third party...at least he has some gov't experience...
I'm specifically saying Nader should start in congress and move his way up...as it stands, I know little about how he would truly vote...don't laugh or get upset, but it's true...I say he has to work is way up, rather that jump to the top...
we're talking about the President of the United States...and I know this...I'm not going to vote for a ticket that has some guy(the cute fella Matt) one step away from the Presidency when he couldn't win the race for Mayor...
Please understand something...many, including me, would like changes in how this country is run...but Nader/Matty is not for me...sorry...
Christ...my first post in this thread supported third party candidates...but I guess that's not enough...I guess I must support Nader...or maybe I'm just too fucking complacent...or maybe I think Nader/Matty is not the answer...
You have every right to post what you want to but that doesn't mean I'm not going to challenge the premise you're basing your points on.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
If you'd watch those videos or read the things I've posted about fighting for ballot access(check out the thread titled Ralph Nader) then you might understand exactly how much effort and up hill battles the Nader campaign has to face.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I support those who vote 3rd party...plain and simple...
I don't support the current 3rd party choice/s....
perhaps he should have used his small chunk of money at the beginning to get out there when everyone else was. i would think if if goal was to have candidates pay attention to his issues, he would have been campaigning earlier around/before the debates. and you've posted about his support. that percent of the population you claim support nader could have funded a longer run. if it's about the issues for him, i don't understand why he waited so long. it's much easier to ignore him now. and people who are so insistent on voting for him are lost to the dems anyway. they'll spend their money where they're more likely to get votes.
cross the river to the eastside
And that's your right.
All I've done here is to challenge preconceived notions and points I disagree with....also my right to do so.
I think Nader has plenty of gov't experience and we'd be hard pressed to find anyone who is more knowledgable on how this country is ran and the way our laws are supposed to work for us.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I appreciate your offering and will check those videos out in fairness to your perspective, but a few of my questions are left unanswered. Also, as a fervent Nader supporter, I'd prefer your your input moreso than having my questions answered by a video or link. Not that I mind videos or links, but when discussing politics, I like hearing the sentiments of those with whom I'm sharing a discussion.
And I'm doing the same (challenge preconceived notions and points I disagree with)....
for example, my point about Mr. Gonzales...he wants to be VP, yet he can't win a mayor's race...your thoughts...?
seriously. think about the millions of dollars obama raised from the internet---people donating 5 dollars at a time, for example.
cross the river to the eastside
Why? And then run out when it's crunch time? He would not be able to keep up. Also he waited to announce hoping the Dems would address these issues that have been largely ignored in years past...they chose not to and he chose to run to gain some spotlight on all those issues the Dems would more than happily keep swept under the rug.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Ron Paul has a pretty good grasp on Constitutional matters.
That's precisely what I was getting at!!!
My thoughts are that he would make a damn fine mayor and VP.
I'm not voting for popularity here or who has the most money and selling power. I'm voting on what's important to me.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
that indicates to me a lack of support.
cross the river to the eastside
so am I....
But Obama's face is plastered all over CNN 24/7. You can not get around that fact playing a HUGE part in this.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Due to lack of exposure
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
actually what is really playing a HUGE part in this is the many many volunteers on the campaign who have been phonebanking and canvassing. that's where it's at. people connect with people sharing their own opinions with each other. not with the tv. people on the ground made this happen.
cross the river to the eastside
Which is?
and you brought up having held office as being important to you. Do you think that makes a person automatically qualified? I look at the extremely low approval rating of congress and think it doesn't mean shit. They don't or better put...won't do their job as it stands anyway. I'm with Cosmo and others here who have said vote out all incumbents because they have proven themselves incapable of doing the job they were elected to do.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
perhaps he'd get more exposure if people cared enough to donate and build a large grassroots operation.
cross the river to the eastside
I disagree with your assessment that TV hasn't played a HUGE role in gaining all the support he has gotten. That's why he got so many people to volunteer for him in the first place.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
What? Is it going to come to them in a dream that they should seek out Ralph Nader?
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Nader would never be allowed in the debates. And he'd mop the floor with the rest if he ever were.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
oh i don't think so. no one knew who he was 'in the first place'. his name was mentioned after the 2004 convention. people read his book and got excited. when he announced clinton was favored to win the nomination. people connected with him and his beliefs and built a movement. sure tv gives him exposure, but there were many excited and interested people before he started getting all that exposure.
i never said tv doesn't help. but it didn't build the movement. i believe if enough people cared about nader, he'd get some exposure too.
cross the river to the eastside
The day after inauguration was a bit of an exaggeration, but starting so late after everyone else and expecting to get as much support is like going to a fancy restaurant 10 minutes before they close and being pissed off that they won't seat you.
And if money is such a problem how hard is it, if the guy is traveling the country anyway all the time to spend some time knocking on doors and talking to people and trying to drum up support and volunteers that way. And if he wanted to do it extra cheap get a bus ticket and go from city to city. Just because the major candidates have their own private jets doesn't mean it is a requirement, especially if you have the opportunity to start way before they do.
hey, maybe. but what's proven to be effective is the knocking on doors and the phone calling thing. there's also the internet now.
cross the river to the eastside
Which Nader has...out there petitioning for ballot access right now.
But to get larger numbers of those volunteers you need more media exposure.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
you say 'media exposure', i say 'interest' or maybe 'desire'.
cross the river to the eastside
People are in fear in Republicans these days and that plays a part.
But to get more people out there wanting to volunteer for you...you need media exposure in the first place. I mean, all we've heard about for over a year now in the media is this Obama mania.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Which you can't get if no one has heard of you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde