Revelations

dharma69

VEDHEAD27 wrote:

Today's repeaters....

*MOTH~>What a perfect end to it all. Wheeew! This intro/main riff is fuckin delicious and I can't get that chorus outta my head. Mmm hmm, this one is really getting me now!

*One and the Same~>hooky as hell! I remember Tom saying in one interview how this album was gonna kick your ass but also give you a chance to shake it too. haha. This kick ass song is a perfect example of that.

*Wide Awake~> Yep....GREAT song! This is the one I heard EVERYONE going off about right away. I'm finally understanding why.


Oooh and...

SHAPE OF THINGS TO COME continues to OWN!
:D:D

I truly do appreciate a ROCK album that can make you bob your head as if you were heading to the club!

Wide Awake...they did it just right. Right up to the final note.

reachdown12

I finally got the chance to pick it up..halfway through the first listen..and holy shit, this little gem is lovin up something fierce! I'm loooving what i hear so far! Larger review once i finish the first listening..OH MY GOD! Shape of Things to Come came on and wow..*breath-stopping*..omg! soooo lovin this!

Rhinocerous Surprise

Well, I've been listening to this a couple times over today. I do like this album. I liked both of their other records too - and Heaven's Dead is one of my fave songs of the last couple of years.

So: Revelations. I know Cornell's best vocals are behind him, but he carries this record pretty well, even if some (and I stress, SOME) lyrics get a little repetitive. The riffs are suitably funky, and Tim and Brad have really excelled themselves with the rhythms this time around, imo.

HOWEVER.

While this record is solid, there is one thing keeping me from really enjoying it. Tom Morello's solos. I know it pretty much goes without saying at this point, and I would have been one of his defenders before... But at some point, this pony's gotta learn more than the one trick. I could be enjoying any one of these songs (even Original Fire) and then Morello will just turn me right off with more guitar FX wankery. It cheapens the songs, imo, and it means there are no songs here that match the majesty of I Am The Highway, Heaven's Dead, The Curse, Last Remaining Light... Wide Awake and one or two others come close, but fall short, in my estimation.

That said, it IS a good rock record, and sounds completely different to the vast majority of 'rock' bands out there today. If it's a choice between Tom Morello's FX-solos and Panic! At The Disco's general existence, I'm always gonna side with Morello. But similarly, if I could choose between listening to an Audioslave record and a Soundgarden record, well...;)

catefrances

so......one listen thus far and as of now i am yet to form an opinion. there are some things i hear that i like and there are things that i don't.

VEDHEAD27

I know where you're at right now catefrances. I was there too. I really do think the first listen of this does NOT do it any kinda justice. I'm curious to hear what you'll think of it as those spins continue. To tell you the truth there are still a few songs that aren't getting me...but that's ok. Not every song ends up getting me even with my fav bands ya know? I mean even with Out Of Exile , Man or Animal never really completely won me over and still hasn't. Whateva. It happens. The focus is what DOES hit you. That's all that matters.

Wow Rhinocerous Surprise. I must say that review of yours is very respectable. I can't say that I agree with every single part of it but I definitely think you got your point across nicely. At this point in my compulsive listening I HAVE actually had a Revelation and I must disagree with you about the songs falling short. It's taken me some time (which I think is a great thing!) but I reeeeeally feel now that there are quite a few STAND OUT tracks.

I agree with you that Tim and Brad have really excelled themselves with the rhythms this time around. Yes! Timmy's funky bass work is especially blowing me away. As far as Tom, well...it's Tom! He hasn't changed but has he ever? This is what he does ya know? The man sure is consistent with his style and I can't say that I'm at all let down by that. I'm majorly diggin his groove on this album! Listening to Sound Of A Gun and One in The Same both make me smile as I'm rockin out cuze they are just soooooo Morello. I love it! Are his solos lacking though? Well I admit that I think the Original Fire one is a complete joke, but other than that I don't think so. He's just doing what he does. He's never tried to be the techy one. It's more of a groove and style with him and I think he's always dead on with it. I think he sounds kick ass....just what I was expecting.

That's the thing....

I think with this album it's actually kinda cool cuze there's a lot of familiarity...and it seems like there are just some basic things that you kinda expect from Audioslave's sound that they always seem to deliver. This album is no different when it comes to that. But at the exact same time...it IS different. Despite all the familiarity, it has taken a few listens to deeply sink it's teeth in me. There's something comforting and fimaliar, but also something that buts up against that and takes some getting use to. For me anyways. This is making each listen really fuckin exciting!! I mean just in today alone I've had songs really grab ahold of me tight and hit me in ways they didn't mere minutes before ya know?!! I think I've listened to MOTH about 100 times!!! I only listened to it about 3 times yesterday. Yeps, the teeth have hit my bones! REVELATIONS is digging deep! I can't get enough!

Ooh and Rhinocerous Surprise, as far as your last comment. HA! Let's not even go there. You can't possibly compare the 2 but if you're gonna, well come on now! I'm with you on that one....with absolutely zero hestitation.

VEDHEAD27

SHAPE OF THINGS TO COME!!!

AH I'm sorry to do this again but this song just came on and I can't help it! I must express my obsessive love yet again! I love how it's starts out with a slow bang! Isn't this intro disgustingly awesome! You're hooked right from the start. Your neck instantly possessed! Then it gets all slow and hypnotic (Chris you sound SO damn beeeeeeautiful!!! The melody here?? *gets lost in the beauty*)...then the chrous comes crashing upside your head, picks you up tosses you around some... then slowly lowers you and BAM...oozes back into the trance. UHHH! It's sexy, funky, rockin and beautiful all at once. WHAT A RIDE! Mmmmm this riff?! The voice!?! The breakdown! Ok EVERYTHING! FUCK! This song is AMAZINGLY SICK!!

*slow mo headbangs*

It's just one of the greatest AS songs ever written.
EVER!
It helps to get it out.


I cannot WAIT to experience this sickness live!


Revelation haters...can you honestly deny this one?? :eek:

deep_schismic

Looks like this will turn out to be another album with only like 3-4 memorable tracks...with maybe 2 actually good songs..."Moth" and "Wide Awake".

Oh well, maybe next time...

PJammin'

VEDHEAD27 wrote:

I know where you're at right now catefrances. I was there too. I really do think the first listen of this does NOT do it any kinda justice. I'm curious to hear what you'll think of it as those spins continue. To tell you the truth there are still a few songs that aren't getting me...but that's ok. Not every song ends up getting me even with my fav bands ya know? I mean even with Out Of Exile , Man or Animal never really completely won me over and still hasn't. Whateva. It happens. The focus is what DOES hit you. That's all that matters.

Wow Rhinocerous Surprise. I must say that review of yours is very respectable. I can't say that I agree with every single part of it but I definitely think you got your point across nicely. At this point in my compulsive listening I HAVE actually had a Revelation and I must disagree with you about the songs falling short. It's taken me some time (which I think is a great thing!) but I reeeeeally feel now that there are quite a few STAND OUT tracks.

I agree with you that Tim and Brad have really excelled themselves with the rhythms this time around. Yes! Timmy's funky bass work is especially blowing me away. As far as Tom, well...it's Tom! He hasn't changed but has he ever? This is what he does ya know? The man sure is consistent with his style and I can't say that I'm at all let down by that. I'm majorly diggin his groove on this album! Listening to Sound Of A Gun and One in The Same both make me smile as I'm rockin out cuze they are just soooooo Morello. I love it! Are his solos lacking though? Well I admit that I think the Original Fire one is a complete joke, but other than that I don't think so. He's just doing what he does. He's never tried to be the techy one. It's more of a groove and style with him and I think he's always dead on with it. I think he sounds kick ass....just what I was expecting.

That's the thing....

I think with this album it's actually kinda cool cuze there's a lot of familiarity...and it seems like there are just some basic things that you kinda expect from Audioslave's sound that they always seem to deliver. This album is no different when it comes to that. But at the exact same time...it IS different. Despite all the familiarity, it has taken a few listens to deeply sink it's teeth in me. There's something comforting and fimaliar, but also something that buts up against that and takes some getting use to. For me anyways. This is making each listen really fuckin exciting!! I mean just in today alone I've had songs really grab ahold of me tight and hit me in ways they didn't mere minutes before ya know?!! I think I've listened to MOTH about 100 times!!! I only listened to it about 3 times yesterday. Yeps, the teeth have hit my bones! REVELATIONS is digging deep! I can't get enough!

Ooh and Rhinocerous Surprise, as far as your last comment. HA! Let's not even go there. You can't possibly compare the 2 but if you're gonna, well come on now! I'm with you on that one....with absolutely zero hestitation.

few quick comments. it takes me a long time to make a final judgement on the cd as a whole. i agree, Man Or Animal never hit me either on Out Of Exile, either did Bring 'Em Back Alive on the first cd. some songs just DON'T ever come around. just like Wishlist from PJ for me. i know that the majority of the material on Revelations is hitting me though. songs on this cd are just as great as their past favorites of mine. the riffs and grooves are exceptionally strong to me. there's no falling short on my side. as far as morello, he does what he does and i expected it. U know what your going to get with his sound. like VEDHEAD said, it's what he does. it's his particular style. U can't expect to pick up the new cd and think he's going to all of a sudden change his style on guitar. i don't think the Original Fire solo is a joke. listening over the solos i see how they fit for the particular song and i enjoy what he brings to the table. he is in the forefront and it's what makes Audioslave who they are. anyway, what i'm trying to say is Audioslave is always going to have the "morello sound" so it should be no surprise when U hear this new disc. even though this disc has the funk, it still has the force they displayed on the first two albums.

deep_schismic

farfromglorified wrote:

That sounds like a challenge. Here's why this record is sub-par:

Musically, this record is no different than their other offerings and not even as solid as the previous records. It sounds rather thrown together. The hooks are few and far between, the bridges weak and the sound is pretty muddled. While it's nice to see that Marello's gimmicks are kept to a relative minimum, he fails to do anything here that really stands out. Overall the record sounds like a car in need of work....lots of stops and starts without any real progress.

Lyrically, it's too damn repetitive. Cornell's voice is lost on a lot of the tracks. His voice lacks its typical intensity and the stuff that actually gets through is more cliche than prophetic.

Ironically, the only great song on this record is the title track. The rest of it sounds like the occassional filler on the other two records. It's as if someone put together an Audioslave greatest hits record and then as a cruel joke released the songs that were left over.

That said, the album does have some good grooves. Other than "Jewel of the Summertime", there isn't anything here that is completely unlistenable. "Moth" and "Wide Awake" are lyrically solid. But after the first track every other song seems to scream "skip button". Unfortunately there's nothing really engaging to skip to.

Thanks you pretty much summed up what I was going to write. As I mentioned on another forum...it's nice that the album opens and closes with a good song...so the perception will be better (simple psychology)...which lends support to my theory as to why Out of Exile was so shittily received...awful opening and closing tracks. (And please don't try to defend that cochise-rehashed annoying Your Time Has Come).

Both albums in terms of lyrics, performance etc. are pretty much the same, the last one was just more bluesy than this.

I say again...this is once again an album with like a handful of genuinely good (and memorable) songs. Maybe I'll just have to accept that Cornell's sound will never quite gel with Morello & company apart from a sparse few occassions. Maybe they know this too...

PJammin'

deep_schismic wrote:

(And please don't try to defend that cochise-rehashed annoying Your Time Has Come).

come on, Your Time Has Come sounds NOTHING like Cochise.

Maybe I'll just have to accept that Cornell's sound will never quite gel with Morello & company apart from a sparse few occassions. Maybe they know this too...

maybe you'll just have to accept that they aren't for U. let them Go.

Whitey_22

PJammin' wrote:

come on, Your Time Has Come sounds NOTHING like Cochise.




maybe you'll just have to accept that they aren't for U. let them Go.

Now I'm a big 'Slave fan...but the Your Time Has Come riff is the Cochise riff cut in half. Why Tom Morello of all people felt the need to recycle a riff is beyond me, but he did it and there's no denying it.

deep_schismic

PJammin' wrote:

maybe you'll just have to accept that they aren't for U. let them Go.

See, I'm a fan of both camps, SG and RATM and listening to them over the years, it's not unfair to have some expectations of this supposed magical pairing. This potentially could have been THE supergroup...there is such a huge pool of talent there...why they have largely ignored such talent and seemingly settled for mediocrity is just a shame. That's really what it comes down to.

I figured they would need a few albums to get their sound developed and to go forward creatively...with Out of Exile it was a small step forward (case in point being "#1 Zero")...and with Revelations..not really a step anywhere apart from the 2 tracks I mentioned earlier. And yeah now I wonder if there is anything left. Maybe Cornell's just happy to cash it in and have his little family, as are the rest of the guys. I know they're getting older and you can't 'rage against the machine' forever right...I guess I was naive to think those guys wouldn't be the sort of people to just settle for whatever's easy.

Rhinocerous Surprise

VEDHEAD27 wrote:

Wow Rhinocerous Surprise. I must say that review of yours is very respectable. I can't say that I agree with every single part of it but I definitely think you got your point across nicely. At this point in my compulsive listening I HAVE actually had a Revelation and I must disagree with you about the songs falling short. It's taken me some time (which I think is a great thing!) but I reeeeeally feel now that there are quite a few STAND OUT tracks.

I agree with you that Tim and Brad have really excelled themselves with the rhythms this time around. Yes! Timmy's funky bass work is especially blowing me away. As far as Tom, well...it's Tom! He hasn't changed but has he ever? This is what he does ya know? The man sure is consistent with his style and I can't say that I'm at all let down by that. I'm majorly diggin his groove on this album! Listening to Sound Of A Gun and One in The Same both make me smile as I'm rockin out cuze they are just soooooo Morello. I love it! Are his solos lacking though? Well I admit that I think the Original Fire one is a complete joke, but other than that I don't think so. He's just doing what he does. He's never tried to be the techy one. It's more of a groove and style with him and I think he's always dead on with it. I think he sounds kick ass....just what I was expecting.

That's the thing....

I think with this album it's actually kinda cool cuze there's a lot of familiarity...and it seems like there are just some basic things that you kinda expect from Audioslave's sound that they always seem to deliver. This album is no different when it comes to that. But at the exact same time...it IS different. Despite all the familiarity, it has taken a few listens to deeply sink it's teeth in me. There's something comforting and fimaliar, but also something that buts up against that and takes some getting use to. For me anyways. This is making each listen really fuckin exciting!! I mean just in today alone I've had songs really grab ahold of me tight and hit me in ways they didn't mere minutes before ya know?!! I think I've listened to MOTH about 100 times!!! I only listened to it about 3 times yesterday. Yeps, the teeth have hit my bones! REVELATIONS is digging deep! I can't get enough!

Ooh and Rhinocerous Surprise, as far as your last comment. HA! Let's not even go there. You can't possibly compare the 2 but if you're gonna, well come on now! I'm with you on that one....with absolutely zero hestitation.

Thanks for your kind words, Vedhead - your enthusiasm is always inspirational:D

As far as Morello goes, as I said, I would've been one of his defenders. Because on every other AS album, he gave at least one solo that sounded completely different to the others. The Like A Stone solo was so PERFECT, that it just irritates me that there's nothing on this album to match that, imo. On the debut, and Out Of Exile to some extent, you could identify a song by its solo. I don't find that to be true of this album, except maybe for Original Fire (in the worst way possible )

But as I said, it doesn't ruin the album for me - I can sit back and enjoy some good rock songs without focusing too much on the solos.

And - after a couple more listens, I can say that Revelations, Shape of Things to Come, Wide Awake, Nothing Left To Say and Moth ARE beginning to rise above the pack... Just not to the same heights as I might have hoped.

Toshala

wow, chuckie lives!!!! He just doesn't write home anymore, LOL!!!!


hello Lyd.......glad you both are enjoying it like I am......it WILL be a helluva tour next year.........start saving your money NOW!!!!! Chicago awaits ALL of us Audiophiles.....

anyway, wow............there's SO many threads about Audioslave over here.......funny how it pisses some people off........


:):):):)

reversedarwinism

this is the best of three great albums by audioslave. they are all totally different than eachother and that is good. this one is the best rock album i've heard this year, hands down. shape of things to come may be the best AS song yet.

PJammin'

reversedarwinism wrote:

this is the best of three great albums by audioslave. they are all totally different than eachother and that is good. this one is the best rock album i've heard this year, hands down. shape of things to come may be the best AS song yet.

listening to Shape Of Things To Come. there is NO DENYING that this is an outstanding song. i have to say, reading all of the negative posts on here before the album came out made me a bit skeptical before i even heard it. i was kind of hesitent....but i have to say that those posts were misleading because this is an album that delivers on all levels for me. Revelations gets better and better and i discover more things i LOVE about the songs each time i listen to it. i can only imagine how they will sound live!

macgyver06

deep_schismic wrote:

Looks like this will turn out to be another album with only like 3-4 memorable tracks...with maybe 2 actually good songs..."Moth" and "Wide Awake".

Oh well, maybe next time...

you keep looking for tracks... we'll keep listening to albums.
you just don't get it

reversedarwinism

PJammin' wrote:

listening to Shape Of Things To Come. there is NO DENYING that this is an outstanding song. i have to say, reading all of the negative posts on here before the album came out made me a bit skeptical before i even heard it. i was kind of hesitent....but i have to say that those posts were misleading because this is an album that delivers on all levels for me. Revelations gets better and better and i discover more things i LOVE about the songs each time i listen to it. i can only imagine how they will sound live!

i agree completely and think that there are a lot of people enjoying and spreading the work about this album. all the negative commenters had their mind made up before they heard it. i think that when those people give this album a chance all of that will melt away, because there is NO DENYING this album.

ii44

Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:

Well, I've been listening to this a couple times over today. I do like this album. I liked both of their other records too - and Heaven's Dead is one of my fave songs of the last couple of years.

So: Revelations. I know Cornell's best vocals are behind him, but he carries this record pretty well, even if some (and I stress, SOME) lyrics get a little repetitive. The riffs are suitably funky, and Tim and Brad have really excelled themselves with the rhythms this time around, imo.

HOWEVER.

While this record is solid, there is one thing keeping me from really enjoying it. Tom Morello's solos. I know it pretty much goes without saying at this point, and I would have been one of his defenders before... But at some point, this pony's gotta learn more than the one trick. I could be enjoying any one of these songs (even Original Fire) and then Morello will just turn me right off with more guitar FX wankery. It cheapens the songs, imo, and it means there are no songs here that match the majesty of I Am The Highway, Heaven's Dead, The Curse, Last Remaining Light... Wide Awake and one or two others come close, but fall short, in my estimation.

That said, it IS a good rock record, and sounds completely different to the vast majority of 'rock' bands out there today. If it's a choice between Tom Morello's FX-solos and Panic! At The Disco's general existence, I'm always gonna side with Morello. But similarly, if I could choose between listening to an Audioslave record and a Soundgarden record, well...;)

As much as I love Audioslave, deep down I know it'd be better if Cornell went solo.

My favorite so far is "Sound of a Gun" except that the solo doesn't really fit the song at all.

Revelations, One and the Same, Until We Fall, Wide Awake, and Moth are excellent. Oh, and, Broken City really kicks ass. I just really wish Morello wasn't as gimmicky. The solos on the first record fit, but on occasion on the last two, there have been some solos that were really out of place. The other thing I dislike is that they now have fade out in their songs. Fade outs bug me, and one reason I really got into the first one is because there weren't any, and I gave the record more of a 'live' feel.

As for Cornell, no we won't hear him sing Slaves & Bulldozers or Limo Wreck again, but you'd have to be crazy to think he could still peel the paint of the walls with his voice into his 40s. Face it, singers voices decline with age, they can't help it. Personally, I'd rather hear him *sing* then to hear him do more heavy-metal wailing (which is probably why Soundgarden disbanded in the ifrst place), but that's just me.

VEDHEAD27

PJammin' wrote:

even though this disc has the funk, it still has the force they displayed on the first two albums.

There it is! Perfectly summed up folks. And again, that added funky flava does truly make for one hell of a ride. Speaking of rides....I just went on a late night bike ride and listened to this baby under the moonlight the entire time. Oh my lord!! Even more revealing and amazing! What a bonding experience ! Woooow. The hook is in even deeper!! Kickin it off with this insanely catchy title track that had me swirving my bike all over the place! :DWeeeeeeee! I'm loving this song so much! Then Sound Of Gun had me bobbin and bouncing so much I thought I was gonna bounce myself right off the bike! LOL!!!!! Awww and I had to take my hands off the handles for Until We Fall to just float around. TOO GORGEOUS! I did keep thinking wouldn't it be fitting if I fell right now though. hehe. Luckily I didn't. I actually didn't finish listening to the whole thing by the time I got home cuze I was repeating SO many of the tracks. haha. But yeah, that was a beautiful experience. Yet again this amazing album continues to hit me in new ways and continues to be more incredible and kick ass with each listen.

reversedarwinism-YEEEEEEEEEEAH!

Rhinocerous Surprise! You are welcome. I'm glad the album is hitting you more. Nice song selection there too. OH damn, MOTH!!!!!!! I can't even begin to count how many times I listened to that one today. :eek: It has become a serious addiction now. Majorly IN LOVE.

*Random observation...the intro to Nothing Left To Say reminds me a little bit of a weird,tweaked out, in no way dead on All Those Yesterdays. Can anyone else hear this?

Oh and my view on the Original Fire solo....I'm just not too hot about it. Ya know I remember reading that even the band thought it was joke of a solo. haha. Anyways, I may have been a tad harsh to call it that but let's just say Original Fire is my Man Or Animal sooooo......



Awww hey Momma Toshie! Good to see you. Yes, this thing is kickin me around and funkin me up. I am SO PUMPED for the tour. Experiencing these songs live is gonna take it all to even higher levels! Fuck! Chicago is a must! Yes, as soon as I get outta PJ debt I will start saving. hehe. If Momma wants to give her child daily allowance, that's cool too ya know. HA! All the AS thread drama?? I think it's funny too.


ii44- yep, LOVE the song choices. I'm seeing some patterns here. I think that's awesome!

Hey, and Chris is going solo....for an album So hell GOD DAMN yes we have that to look forward tol!

ii44 wrote:

As for Cornell, no we won't hear him sing Slaves & Bulldozers again,

Hmmm but I heard him sing some of that last tour.