guns n' roses

eden

fanch75 wrote:

1) I love GNR, old, middle, and the new Chinese Democracy songs that have leaked sound incredible. GNR is a huge part of my youth so they are a band I feel tied to emotionally and will always love them. Axl, asshole or not, is a mad genius. I'm not sure about the dreadlocks, though.

2) I love Velvet Revolver. Any riffs from Slash with Weiland singing, well, most likely I will like those. I think Contraband had some great, great songs.

#1 and #2 above in combination are okay.

All I know is that if I turn on a tune and I hear a song that I like, then that's all that I need to know in order to enjoy listening to it.

edit: November Rain came on the radio as I was typing the above. Kick ass.

Insulting someone because they like a song by a band is kind of silly (unless they're insulting someone who likes riot act - b/c that is totally acceptable ), but cool.

Agreed ^.

WhiteMaleRat

fanch75 wrote:

1) I love GNR, old, middle, and the new Chinese Democracy songs that have leaked sound incredible. GNR is a huge part of my youth so they are a band I feel tied to emotionally and will always love them. Axl, asshole or not, is a mad genius. I'm not sure about the dreadlocks, though.

2) I love Velvet Revolver. Any riffs from Slash with Weiland singing, well, most likely I will like those. I think Contraband had some great, great songs.

#1 and #2 above in combination are okay.

All I know is that if I turn on a tune and I hear a song that I like, then that's all that I need to know in order to enjoy listening to it.

edit: November Rain came on the radio as I was typing the above. Kick ass.

Insulting someone because they like a song by a band is kind of silly (unless they're insulting someone who likes riot act - b/c that is totally acceptable ), but cool.

I've never forgiven you for your drunken review of Riot Act. I know deep down you sort of like Riot Act.

BTW I can't wait for Chinese Democracy - those leaked songs I heard on the radio were great and have huge potential....

holtz

AllNiteThing wrote:

So you actually like the 'new' ripoff Guns n Roses, but you think VR is a joke?! Umm ok, I've NEVER heard that opinion before, but you're entitled to it. Just know, you are in the overwhelming minority.

I like the songs I've heard from the new GNR a hell of alot more than anything on Contraband. Slither is about the only song by VR that I like. I did go and see VR in concert twice and enjoyed myself, mainly because I'm a huge GNR fan and wanted to see Slash, Duff and Matt again.

AllNiteThing

amentvedder wrote:

Who died and made you the messiah of Guns N' Roses?? Just know? wit? Nah just YOU know we all have our own opinions some of us are not so arrogant to hit out with this is this this is that it's just your opinion, and everyone i know thinks VR are shite. New GN'R old GN'R who gives 1 it's still GN'R whether you like it or not Axl has the rights and already Chinese Democracy leaked songs have blew away VR joke of an album

lol!! Chill out there turbo. Don't take it so personally, sheesh! :rolleyes: YOU are the one who started with the arrogant attitude. Do you recall laughing and marginalizing my opinion? Thought so. :rolleyes:

I'm honest when I say, I've never heard anyone think Axl's new cover band is better than VR. Of course, classic GnR trumps all, but at least the rest of the band had the common sense to start a new band, with a new name and actually make some good, decent, ass kicking classic ROCK. That's integrity. Axl has hired and fired dozens of musicians, some decent and some just gimicky. I've heard most of the new stuff out there, and while it is decent, it's no classic GnR. That's not to mention some of the techno and Limp Bizkit sounding shit I've heard him try out.

You are entitled to your opinion, but there is no way IRS or Better (I think that's the name) musically trump the VR debut. You can say I'm Too Sexy is better than Stairway to Heaven too, but I'll say you're very, very wrong. Axl is a shell of his former self. He's a recluse with bad hair extensions, plastic surgery gone horribly wrong, bad botox, tired attitude, shot voice and an average cover band backing him up. VR still has the REAL GnR attitude, and are making great, relevant music, not retread Use Your Illusion tunes and techno garbage.

I never said I was the 'messiah' of GnR music. Hell, FAR from it. I haven't been a big fan in a long time. I know what they were and I know what Axl's become. I'm a fan of VR, and I can see what they are doing, and I can only speak for the opinions of the many, many people I've encountered who are/were GnR fans. Maybe it is different where you live, but until Axl does anything worthy of note (2 marginal leaked songs doesn't count), he will be considered a has-been and a joke, while VR will be considered relevant.

AllNiteThing

DOSW wrote:

I think the people they have do a fine job. I don't see how they're any less talented than Slash is. Maybe if you got the whole 'Slash is GNR!' mentality out of your head, you would find that the three perform just as well as Slash and Izzy or Gilby ever have.

And VR is decent. Nothing more.

I haven't heard any original stuff from Buckethead or Robin Fink, or whoever else they got now that even remotely rivaled what Slash or the other guys have done. From GnR to the Snakepit to VR, Slash certainly trumps Axl's cover band any day of the week. I was also pretty turned off from Buckethead after the show, he was a real let down. Sure, they can pull off a performance up there, but don't forget whose music they are playing. It's not like nobody out there in the world can't cover the music.

AllNiteThing

holtz wrote:

I like the songs I've heard from the new GNR a hell of alot more than anything on Contraband. Slither is about the only song by VR that I like. I did go and see VR in concert twice and enjoyed myself, mainly because I'm a huge GNR fan and wanted to see Slash, Duff and Matt again.

It just kills me they call it GnR. Can't we just say Axl instead?

I think the songs are decent, but they sound a little overproduced and 'electronic' for lack of a better word. A little too repetetive too. IRS sounded alright. The other one was so-so. The live ones I've heard have some big potential, but I'll reserve judgement when I hear it on record. I'm basing my criticisms more on their stage performance and the 2 studio leaks + Oh My God.

DOSW

AllNiteThing wrote:

You are entitled to your opinion, but there is no way IRS or Better (I think that's the name) musically trump the VR debut. You can say I'm Too Sexy is better than Stairway to Heaven too, but I'll say you're very, very wrong.

No, no, no, no, no. Don't even make that comparison... you can say that you like the stuff on Contraband more than those two songs, but that's a grossly exaggerated and downright insulting metaphor.

I, for one, think Better and IRS blow anything on Contraband out of the water.

And Buckethead isn't in even in the band, man. Get your facts straight. It seems to me that the main reason you hate the new GNR is that you have a bias against them before you ever heard them, which is causing you to not like their music from the beginning.

I also think Slash sounds generic and indistinct in almost every single VR song. He's one of my favorites, don't get me wrong, but I don't think VR is using his strengths.

Pearl Juli

eden wrote:

Agreed ^.

Agreed x 2

mookeywrench

i havent read through all 5 pages of this banter, but did anyone else notice on metacritic.com that the release date for Chinese democracy is going to be Nov. 21st 2006

holtz

DOSW wrote:

I also think Slash sounds generic and indistinct in almost every single VR song. He's one of my favorites, don't get me wrong, but I don't think VR is using his strengths.

Thats my opinion as well, I love Slash, I think his guitar work with Snakepit was alot better than the stuff on Contraband. I just was very dissapointed by Contraband, the songs are weak, they are good live because they play GNR and STP covers not beacuse they play shitty songs like Do it for the Kids or the god awful Big Machine.

holtz

AllNiteThing wrote:

So you actually like the 'new' ripoff Guns n Roses, but you think VR is a joke?! Umm ok, I've NEVER heard that opinion before, but you're entitled to it. Just know, you are in the overwhelming minority.

I think alot of people that like VR more than new GNR is just because Slash is considered the nice guy while Axl is an asshole, it doesn't have much to do about music. I don't know too many people who think the music on Contraband is really good, even huge Slash fans I know didn't like it.

amentvedder

AllNiteThing wrote:

lol!! Chill out there turbo. Don't take it so personally, sheesh! :rolleyes: YOU are the one who started with the arrogant attitude. Do you recall laughing and marginalizing my opinion? Thought so. :rolleyes:

I'm honest when I say, I've never heard anyone think Axl's new cover band is better than VR. Of course, classic GnR trumps all, but at least the rest of the band had the common sense to start a new band, with a new name and actually make some good, decent, ass kicking classic ROCK. That's integrity. Axl has hired and fired dozens of musicians, some decent and some just gimicky. I've heard most of the new stuff out there, and while it is decent, it's no classic GnR. That's not to mention some of the techno and Limp Bizkit sounding shit I've heard him try out.

You are entitled to your opinion, but there is no way IRS or Better (I think that's the name) musically trump the VR debut. You can say I'm Too Sexy is better than Stairway to Heaven too, but I'll say you're very, very wrong. Axl is a shell of his former self. He's a recluse with bad hair extensions, plastic surgery gone horribly wrong, bad botox, tired attitude, shot voice and an average cover band backing him up. VR still has the REAL GnR attitude, and are making great, relevant music, not retread Use Your Illusion tunes and techno garbage.

I never said I was the 'messiah' of GnR music. Hell, FAR from it. I haven't been a big fan in a long time. I know what they were and I know what Axl's become. I'm a fan of VR, and I can see what they are doing, and I can only speak for the opinions of the many, many people I've encountered who are/were GnR fans. Maybe it is different where you live, but until Axl does anything worthy of note (2 marginal leaked songs doesn't count), he will be considered a has-been and a joke, while VR will be considered relevant.

Wipe your chin, talking shite again. I laughed because the 1st post you made was arrogant, marginalizing your opinion? Go read your post again.

That's good you have changed your attitude a wee bit now anyway.

amentvedder

eden wrote:

Agreed ^.

Of course you do, he has a penis hasn't he?!

iluvcats

I bought my tix online today, even if slash and duff won't be there. I have never seen axl before, but my husband (the fan) has.

eden

amentvedder wrote:

Of course you do, he has a penis hasn't he?!

Excuse me?

Im surrounded by Men who have a penis all day at work, and usually agree with nothing they say.

I agreed here because what he said seemed logical.

F*cker.

Pearl Juli

eden wrote:

Excuse me?

Im surrounded by Men who have a penis all day at work, and usually agree with nothing they say.

I agreed here because what he said seemed logical.

F*cker.

NEVERMIND

amentvedder

eden wrote:

Excuse me?

Im surrounded by Men who have a penis all day at work, and usually agree with nothing they say.

I agreed here because what he said seemed logical.

F*cker.

Why you responding to me, i'm not male?!
You said Patience was on UYI2 that's you fucked for arguing

AllNiteThing

DOSW wrote:

No, no, no, no, no. Don't even make that comparison... you can say that you like the stuff on Contraband more than those two songs, but that's a grossly exaggerated and downright insulting metaphor.

I, for one, think Better and IRS blow anything on Contraband out of the water.

And Buckethead isn't in even in the band, man. Get your facts straight. It seems to me that the main reason you hate the new GNR is that you have a bias against them before you ever heard them, which is causing you to not like their music from the beginning.

I also think Slash sounds generic and indistinct in almost every single VR song. He's one of my favorites, don't get me wrong, but I don't think VR is using his strengths.

I've said I'm looking forward to the album, and I'm sure there will be some very good music on it. I also think IRS and the ones I've heard are DECENT, nothing mind blowing. The VR stuff has swagger and attitude and is straight up r-n-r. The new Guns stuff sounds a little techno-ish and weird, not like old Guns.

I have heard the new band...I said I saw them live 2 years ago. I know Buckethead is gone now, but he didn't impress me in the least. Hopefully for them the new guy can bring some originality.

AllNiteThing

amentvedder wrote:

Wipe your chin, talking shite again. I laughed because the 1st post you made was arrogant, marginalizing your opinion? Go read your post again.

That's good you have changed your attitude a wee bit now anyway.

Thanks again tough guy, I DID read my posts, and I clearly see where you started personal bs with me first. My first post was arrogant? How? I stated my opinion on Axl's new cover band, and you basically said my opinion was worthless after you read the first sentence. Hardly civil discussion. You can discuss the merits or lack thereof of either band, as I have. Or you can disparage the poster stating his opinion, as you have. I'll choose the former.

eden

amentvedder wrote:

Why you responding to me, i'm not male?!
You said Patience was on UYI2 that's you fucked for arguing

Wtf ^^

Is English your first language dear?