Is that the same magazine he wiped his ass with in June of '06?
PBM
"We paced ourselves and we didn't rush through it and we tried to be as creative as our collective minds would let us be over some course of time instead of just trying to rush through a record"
You're not helping with the environment in here. :(
eV is still the same person with big heart and still has concerns for many things that need immediate attention such as environment and still has that great love and passion for music.
He still supports and is actively involved with charities and projects that he strongly believes in, though some things have changed over the course of time – as far as his line of thinking and how he perceives things. Over the 16 years, he has seen a lot of things and traveled a lot of places.
Look in his recent RS interview where he stated he made a quick judgment against one person who was doing an ad but found out that it was being done because that person needed some medical assistance for his father. He learned something that day.
Perhaps we ca learn something, too… not to make quick judgments or assumptions.
:(
Sorry you feel that way, Mine. I think you misunderstood--I was trying to get across a very similar point.
"1992: Fuckin’ Grammys. Sounds like we sold out.
2008: Not at all. There’s bigger stuff to worry about--global warming, another Bush, the next generation. Our voice can help create change."
He's undeniably a good guy. He's changed and matured. (That doesn't mean he hasn't always been a good guy.) His focus and interests have changed somewhat, as happens with every single human being.
I think when you speak out against something (passionately) and then backtrack, you lose credibility. This isn't an isolated incident.
I truly don't care either way about the video...just want to expand our minds with a nice debate.
PBM
"We paced ourselves and we didn't rush through it and we tried to be as creative as our collective minds would let us be over some course of time instead of just trying to rush through a record"
Sorry you feel that way, Mine. I think you misunderstood--I was trying to get across a very similar point.
"1992: Fuckin’ Grammys. Sounds like we sold out.
2008: Not at all. There’s bigger stuff to worry about--global warming, another Bush, the next generation. Our voice can help create change."
He's undeniably a good guy. He's changed and matured. (That doesn't mean he hasn't always been a good guy.) His focus and interests have changed somewhat, as happens with every single human being.
*slaps forehead*
There I go - making an ass out of myself. Even thousand of years as human, we still pass judgment and assumptions... bleh.
I think when you speak out against something (passionately) and then backtrack, you lose credibility. This isn't an isolated incident.
I truly don't care either way about the video...just want to expand our minds with a nice debate.
PBM
OK...Are YOU the same person you were at 26 when you are 43? I think that we've all had strong views on things when we were younger that we outgrew or changed our opinion on as we got/get older. Change = life. You don't lose credibility as you grow up and realize that maybe you said a lot of absolutes that maybe you shouldn't have. Anger and angst do dissapate somewhat over time...So as far as Ed saying at 26 that he refused to videos, he didn't realize that at some point, videos just might become a necessisary evil...Or maybe, he did the video to help out his friend, which I believe he said he did. It is possible that one belief might outweigh another...and if you do so out of loyalty or because you're a fantastic friend - then good for you...
So yeah, good for Ed for appearing in the video! A song he treasures for a friend he treasures...nothing wrong with that...
OK...Are YOU the same person you were at 26 when you are 43? I think that we've all had strong views on things when we were younger that we outgrew or changed our opinion on as we got/get older. Change = life. You don't lose credibility as you grow up and realize that maybe you said a lot of absolutes that maybe you shouldn't have.
I absolutely agree with you...a person evolves mentally and change occurs. But, I'm still going to call him out on it.
Edward says a lot of things one day and then backtracks the next. I've seen it happen too many times.
I guarantee (no pun) that if something pisses him off with the release of this video, he will blast the medium.
Case in point (as I alluded to earlier in this thread): After being on the cover of Rolling Stone in June '06, he gets pissed that it's not a full band picture and publically denounces the magazine (again). A few months later, he gives David Fricke an interview for the very same magazine.
That's sending mixed signals.
Now it's tomorrow and...apparently nothing has changed.
PBM
"We paced ourselves and we didn't rush through it and we tried to be as creative as our collective minds would let us be over some course of time instead of just trying to rush through a record"
Wow... I can't believe it and at the same time I can't wait to see it!! :-)
"I am the first mammal to wear pants....yeah"
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On the flip side, I am still ok with people not knowing about Pearl Jam still rocking it. Let them go to Matchbox 20 while we get the best seats to see PJ.
hahahaha. We think the same!!!!!
Although I'm happy for Ed and the nomination, I have visions of him performing it at the awards and every damn tom, dick, and harry suddenly becoming big fans and crowding "our" message board and "our" shows...LOL!!!
Make sure the fortune that you seek
Is the fortune that you need ~ BenHarper
Although I'm happy for Ed and the nomination, I have visions of him performing it at the awards and every damn tom, dick, and harry suddenly becoming big fans and crowding "our" message board and "our" shows...LOL!!!
Don't worry, nobody is going to go crazy over "Guaranteed" unless they are a fan already. Into the Wild soundtrack is freaking awesome, but it will not convert the masses. The video will stick around for about a week.
I absolutely agree with you...a person evolves mentally and change occurs. But, I'm still going to call him out on it.
Edward says a lot of things one day and then backtracks the next. I've seen it happen too many times.
I guarantee (no pun) that if something pisses him off with the release of this video, he will blast the medium.
Case in point (as I alluded to earlier in this thread): After being on the cover of Rolling Stone in June '06, he gets pissed that it's not a full band picture and publically denounces the magazine (again). A few months later, he gives David Fricke an interview for the very same magazine.
That's sending mixed signals.
Now it's tomorrow and...apparently nothing has changed.
PBM
Maybe Ed hasn't changed but the world around him has. Music videos = MTV 15 years ago. Music videos now equal youtube, myspace, vh1, etc... It is less corporations pushing the videos at you, and more the individual looking for the video because they enjoy the music and like the medium.
But yeah, not selling 11 million albums and only selling 600,000 will magically lead you to do interviews, soundtracks, videos, festivals, multiple European tours (gotta stay relevant there to sell records). It is amazing how that works.
OK...Are YOU the same person you were at 26 when you are 43? I think that we've all had strong views on things when we were younger that we outgrew or changed our opinion on as we got/get older. Change = life. You don't lose credibility as you grow up and realize that maybe you said a lot of absolutes that maybe you shouldn't have. Anger and angst do dissapate somewhat over time...So as far as Ed saying at 26 that he refused to videos, he didn't realize that at some point, videos just might become a necessisary evil...Or maybe, he did the video to help out his friend, which I believe he said he did. It is possible that one belief might outweigh another...and if you do so out of loyalty or because you're a fantastic friend - then good for you...
So yeah, good for Ed for appearing in the video! A song he treasures for a friend he treasures...nothing wrong with that...
I second that........100% agree.........
but only getting older oneself and having your points of view change are the things that lead you to understand that.
Baby, You Wouldn't Last a Minute on The Creek......
Together we will float like angels.........
In the moment that you left the room, the album started skipping, goodbye to beauty shared with the ones that you love.........
Case in point (as I alluded to earlier in this thread): After being on the cover of Rolling Stone in June '06, he gets pissed that it's not a full band picture and publically denounces the magazine (again).
Thank you for this one.
So, his bandmates are upset because once again it's all about "EDDIE VEDDER" and he's not supposed to say anything? They had an agreement with RollingStone and RollingStone didn't hold up their end of the agreement. It's a reason to wipe your ass on the offending cover.
"You did this bad thing. I'm going to let you know about it by wiping my ass on your paper. If you do it again I will behave the same way.
Now we have another interview. How about we try this again?"
There isn't anything mixed about it. If you think this is mixed then I guess you haven't looked at relationships from the perspective of reward and punishment at home or in business
When I was a manager. I made it very clear when people did things wrong. We then move on with a better understanding. While I know they did wrong before, I will work with the person to get better performance.
As a parent, it's very similar
In buisness relationships, it's much the same thing. You let people know you are displeased with the service/product whatever but you don't sever the relationship unless it is harmful. This is something Pearl Jam has learned over the years. It's a sensible, reasoned approach.
What you are suggesting is not.
These are men in their 40s. They know what they're doing now. It's their fans who need to grow up.
.
****
Aless
Tell them you love them. Never let the mundane, the unimportant, or worse, the misunderstood, be the final words of parting.
If it's a legitimate gripe, why would this be a wrong thing to do?
Thank you for this one.
So, his bandmates are upset because once again it's all about "EDDIE VEDDER" and he's not supposed to say anything? They had an agreement with RollingStone and RollingStone didn't hold up their end of the agreement. It's a reason to wipe your ass on the offending cover.
But it's not a reason not to talk to the media about things that matter to you. You express what you don't like and move on.
No it is not. It's saying very clearly
"You did this bad thing. I'm going to let you know about it by wiping my ass on your paper. If you do it again I will behave the same way.
Now we have another interview. How about we try this again?"
There isn't anything mixed about it. If you think this is mixed then I guess you haven't looked at relationships from the perspective of reward and punishment at home or in business
When I was a manager. I made it very clear when people did things wrong. We then move on with a better understanding. While I know they did wrong before, I will work with the person to get better performance.
As a parent, it's very similar
In buisness relationships, it's much the same thing. You let people know you are displeased with the service/product whatever but you don't sever the relationship unless it is harmful. This is something Pearl Jam has learned over the years. It's a sensible, reasoned approach.
What you are suggesting is not.
These are men in their 40s. They know what they're doing now. It's their fans who need to grow up.
I've watched it twice now on a full screen. This is fantastic. Maybe it's the surrounding garbage that makes it look so good but I don't think so. I think it's simply excellent. I was critical of the last two videos (WWS & Life Wasted), but this is perfect.
I love the ending frame. Good lord, Ed should end all solo vids with that. I really love that image. I've loved it since 98
Congratulations Eddie! This is outstanding. Great work
PS. More please? Rise in February maybe? Hey! A fan can dream, right?
: P
.
****
Aless
Tell them you love them. Never let the mundane, the unimportant, or worse, the misunderstood, be the final words of parting.
Goddamn VH1! Everybody outside the U.S. can't see the video..
It's okay, It's okay
You don't have to run and hide away
It's okay, it's okay
I love you anyway
2007: Pearl Jam concert in Düsseldorf (21. June)
2007: Chris Cornell concert in Kristiansand (2. July)
2007: The Who concert in Kristiansand (4. July)
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Is that the same magazine he wiped his ass with in June of '06?
PBM
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Sorry you feel that way, Mine. I think you misunderstood--I was trying to get across a very similar point.
"1992: Fuckin’ Grammys. Sounds like we sold out.
2008: Not at all. There’s bigger stuff to worry about--global warming, another Bush, the next generation. Our voice can help create change."
He's undeniably a good guy. He's changed and matured. (That doesn't mean he hasn't always been a good guy.) His focus and interests have changed somewhat, as happens with every single human being.
I think when you speak out against something (passionately) and then backtrack, you lose credibility. This isn't an isolated incident.
I truly don't care either way about the video...just want to expand our minds with a nice debate.
PBM
Wishlist Foundation: http://wishlistfoundation.org
*slaps forehead*
There I go - making an ass out of myself. Even thousand of years as human, we still pass judgment and assumptions... bleh.
My apologies, Since 91.
That's true, PBM.
Ok, I've got to quit hogging this thread....
I swear I wasn't being paid by an advertising company to defend eV.
Thanks for not throwing tomatoes at me...
EV: It's your band.
~Q Magazine
"Kisses for the glow...kisses for the lease." - BDRII
OK...Are YOU the same person you were at 26 when you are 43? I think that we've all had strong views on things when we were younger that we outgrew or changed our opinion on as we got/get older. Change = life. You don't lose credibility as you grow up and realize that maybe you said a lot of absolutes that maybe you shouldn't have. Anger and angst do dissapate somewhat over time...So as far as Ed saying at 26 that he refused to videos, he didn't realize that at some point, videos just might become a necessisary evil...Or maybe, he did the video to help out his friend, which I believe he said he did. It is possible that one belief might outweigh another...and if you do so out of loyalty or because you're a fantastic friend - then good for you...
So yeah, good for Ed for appearing in the video! A song he treasures for a friend he treasures...nothing wrong with that...
I absolutely agree with you...a person evolves mentally and change occurs. But, I'm still going to call him out on it.
Edward says a lot of things one day and then backtracks the next. I've seen it happen too many times.
I guarantee (no pun) that if something pisses him off with the release of this video, he will blast the medium.
Case in point (as I alluded to earlier in this thread): After being on the cover of Rolling Stone in June '06, he gets pissed that it's not a full band picture and publically denounces the magazine (again). A few months later, he gives David Fricke an interview for the very same magazine.
That's sending mixed signals.
Now it's tomorrow and...apparently nothing has changed.
PBM
Wishlist Foundation: http://wishlistfoundation.org
6/95 -SF, CA.
11/95 -SJ, CA.
7/03 -Mt. View, CA.
10/25/03 -Mt. View, CA.
7/9/06 -LA, CA.
7/15/06 -SF, CA.
7/17/06 -SF, CA.
10/22/06 -Mt. View, CA.
12/9/06 -Honolulu, HI
Eddie!-SC, CA. 4/5/08
Eddie!-Berkeley. 4/7/08
6/28/08- Mansfield, MA.
Esther's here and she's sick?
hi Esther, now we are all going to be sick, thanks
hahahaha. We think the same!!!!!
Although I'm happy for Ed and the nomination, I have visions of him performing it at the awards and every damn tom, dick, and harry suddenly becoming big fans and crowding "our" message board and "our" shows...LOL!!!
Is the fortune that you need ~ BenHarper
http://www.myspace.com/soulshine70
Don't worry, nobody is going to go crazy over "Guaranteed" unless they are a fan already. Into the Wild soundtrack is freaking awesome, but it will not convert the masses. The video will stick around for about a week.
Maybe Ed hasn't changed but the world around him has. Music videos = MTV 15 years ago. Music videos now equal youtube, myspace, vh1, etc... It is less corporations pushing the videos at you, and more the individual looking for the video because they enjoy the music and like the medium.
But yeah, not selling 11 million albums and only selling 600,000 will magically lead you to do interviews, soundtracks, videos, festivals, multiple European tours (gotta stay relevant there to sell records). It is amazing how that works.
San Jose 1993
Fresno 2000
Las Vegas 2006
Santa Cruz - E.V. 2008
I second that........100% agree.........
but only getting older oneself and having your points of view change are the things that lead you to understand that.
Together we will float like angels.........
In the moment that you left the room, the album started skipping, goodbye to beauty shared with the ones that you love.........
I already recorded the show on DVR from 6am-10am!
Don't forget to record and transfer to youtube for our friends outside of United States of aMErica.
I wish I knew how to do that and having the tools to help out.
EV: It's your band.
~Q Magazine
"Kisses for the glow...kisses for the lease." - BDRII
If it's a legitimate gripe, why would this be a wrong thing to do?
Thank you for this one.
So, his bandmates are upset because once again it's all about "EDDIE VEDDER" and he's not supposed to say anything? They had an agreement with RollingStone and RollingStone didn't hold up their end of the agreement. It's a reason to wipe your ass on the offending cover.
But it's not a reason not to talk to the media about things that matter to you. You express what you don't like and move on.
No it is not. It's saying very clearly
"You did this bad thing. I'm going to let you know about it by wiping my ass on your paper. If you do it again I will behave the same way.
Now we have another interview. How about we try this again?"
There isn't anything mixed about it. If you think this is mixed then I guess you haven't looked at relationships from the perspective of reward and punishment at home or in business
When I was a manager. I made it very clear when people did things wrong. We then move on with a better understanding. While I know they did wrong before, I will work with the person to get better performance.
As a parent, it's very similar
In buisness relationships, it's much the same thing. You let people know you are displeased with the service/product whatever but you don't sever the relationship unless it is harmful. This is something Pearl Jam has learned over the years. It's a sensible, reasoned approach.
What you are suggesting is not.
These are men in their 40s. They know what they're doing now. It's their fans who need to grow up.
.
Aless
Tell them you love them. Never let the mundane, the unimportant, or worse, the misunderstood, be the final words of parting.
Tell them.
http://www.vh1.com/video/play.jhtml?id=1552635&vid=201804
Excellent post!
"Forgive every being,
the bad feelings
it's just me"
thanks, appreciated
Yes, I can't watch it either. It's not available outside US.
Please, can someone upload?
It's growing up just like me.
I'm no dude! Dudette!
I laughed after cause a new Buckcherry video played next. hehehe
...............
I love the ending frame. Good lord, Ed should end all solo vids with that. I really love that image. I've loved it since 98
Congratulations Eddie! This is outstanding. Great work
PS. More please? Rise in February maybe? Hey! A fan can dream, right?
: P
.
Aless
Tell them you love them. Never let the mundane, the unimportant, or worse, the misunderstood, be the final words of parting.
Tell them.
You don't have to run and hide away
It's okay, it's okay
I love you anyway
2007: Pearl Jam concert in Düsseldorf (21. June)
2007: Chris Cornell concert in Kristiansand (2. July)
2007: The Who concert in Kristiansand (4. July)