Oasis-Don't Believe the Truth official thread

kdpjam

Swallow Poison wrote:

I think one of the reasons for their emergence and initial popularity was that they were a complete opposite to the shoe-gazing, "our fans are idiots" and "I don't want to be famous" attitudes of their Grunge counterparts, thus were a welcome change. Oasis wanted it all.

The main reason though, was that they had great songs. Live Forever, Slide Away, Cast No Shadow, Wonderwall, Whatever - to name but a few of their earlier work. Never mind the oft-quoted superior B Sides that they virtually threw away.

I will agree that their music has been in decline somewhat since Morning Glory but firmly believe they still add gems to an already stagnant music scene in this country. Some often judge them by their own earlier and higher standards and I would agree, using this yardstick, they fail to reach those vertigo-inducing heights.

However, they still deserve our attention and I for one, believe this new album to be somewhat of a resurgence.

Of course, saying Oasis are still pretty great would have been quicker...

well said!!! i agree

Cornflakegrl98

anything from definitely maybe (except digsey's diner, hate that song) or morning glory were Oasis at their peak. and those 2 albums produced some great b-sides, "talk tonight", "headshrinker" and "acquiesce" just to name a few.

i definitely agree that Oasis did decline after Be Here Now, but even though Standing on the Shoulder of Giants and Heathen Chemistry were not perfect, they really did have their moments of greatness. hearing that the new album is like a resurgence makes me even more excited for when i will see them live at the end of the month!

Swallow Poison

pushmepullme wrote:

Cast No Shadow was good, I'll give you that.

It was indeed very good.

In my humble opinion, possibly Liam's best vocal performance. The drumming triplets by Alan White are excellent too.

If you didn't know (I'm sure most of you do) it was about Richard Ashcroft of the now defunct Verve.

Swallow Poison

Cornflakegrl98 wrote:

anything from definitely maybe (except digsey's diner, hate that song) or morning glory were Oasis at their peak. and those 2 albums produced some great b-sides, "talk tonight", "headshrinker" and "acquiesce" just to name a few.

i definitely agree that Oasis did decline after Be Here Now, but even though Standing on the Shoulder of Giants and Heathen Chemistry were not perfect, they really did have their moments of greatness. hearing that the new album is like a resurgence makes me even more excited for when i will see them live at the end of the month!

Enjoy the gig.

Hopefully it won't go the way of previous US tours...

AxlUlrich

Cornflakegrl98 wrote:

anything from definitely maybe (except digsey's diner, hate that song) or morning glory were Oasis at their peak. and those 2 albums produced some great b-sides, "talk tonight", "headshrinker" and "acquiesce" just to name a few.

i definitely agree that Oasis did decline after Be Here Now, but even though Standing on the Shoulder of Giants and Heathen Chemistry were not perfect, they really did have their moments of greatness. hearing that the new album is like a resurgence makes me even more excited for when i will see them live at the end of the month!

heh i actually like Digsy's Dinner alot...
i love Oasis's b sides..they are the only band whom i actually bothered collecting every single they put out (cept the OZ singles for Morning Glory and Champagne Supernova)
sadly i wasnt too impressed with the b-sides from Heathen Chemistry and Lyla

Cornflakegrl98

Swallow Poison wrote:

Enjoy the gig.

Hopefully it won't go the way of previous US tours...

heh that was in the back of my mind as i was buying the tickets, and I have awesome seats!

I do hope they are past that, though even if Liam were to refuse to perform, i wouldn't mind hearing noel, he did a great job at the unplugged show...

Swallow Poison

AxlUlrich wrote:

heh i actually like Digsy's Dinner alot...
i love Oasis's b sides..they are the only band whom i actually bothered collecting every single they put out (cept the OZ singles for Morning Glory and Champagne Supernova)
sadly i wasnt too impressed with the b-sides from Heathen Chemistry and Lyla

I've been listening to the Go Let It Out single a lot lately.

First of all, the A Side was really underrated in my opinion, but how good were the B Sides?

Let's All Make Believe is astounding and Cigarettes In Hell is excellent too.

Many believe all the best B Sides to be around the Cigarettes & Alcohol to Don't Look Back In Anger period (from which Underneath the Sky was an underdog favourite of mine) and often overlook this little classic...

Cornflakegrl98

AxlUlrich wrote:

heh i actually like Digsy's Dinner alot...
i love Oasis's b sides..they are the only band whom i actually bothered collecting every single they put out (cept the OZ singles for Morning Glory and Champagne Supernova)
sadly i wasnt too impressed with the b-sides from Heathen Chemistry and Lyla

heh, sometimes digsy's doesn't bother me, but it's definitely not a favorite. little james is another one i'm not crazy about.

i bought all the singles when i went to london in 1997, happiest day of my life since i couldn't find them anywhere. i've stopped collecting after "Do you Know What I mean", i'm not that big of a B-side freak because with most bands they are just disappointing.

DocChicago

I'm having a really hard time getting the Lyla B-sides from my quasi-legal file sharing service of choice. The decline in quality in B-sides over the past 2 albums has been unfortunate. I do agree that "Let's All Make Believe" is a gem, and "Carry Us All" is sweet as well. But I'm still hoping for another "Whatever."

Did someone say earlier that "The Importance of Being Idle" is confirmed as the next single? Is that true for the US as well?

(finally, thanks to pushmepullme for the more insightful post explaining why he thinks Oasis are shit. it showed a much higher level of civility and discourse than we often see around here. kudos.)

AxlUlrich

DocChicago wrote:

I'm having a really hard time getting the Lyla B-sides from my quasi-legal file sharing service of choice. The decline in quality in B-sides over the past 2 albums has been unfortunate. I do agree that "Let's All Make Believe" is a gem, and "Carry Us All" is sweet as well. But I'm still hoping for another "Whatever."

Did someone say earlier that "The Importance of Being Idle" is confirmed as the next single? Is that true for the US as well?

(finally, thanks to pushmepullme for the more insightful post explaining why he thinks Oasis are shit. it showed a much higher level of civility and discourse than we often see around here. kudos.)

yep it is confirmed..
one of the b-sides is Pass Me Down the Wine which can be found on itunes i think..and everyone's been raving about it..
atm it looks like after TIOBI..the next singles will be Let There Be Love in November and Love Like a Bomb in February

DocChicago

AxlUlrich wrote:

yep it is confirmed..
one of the b-sides is Pass Me Down the Wine which can be found on itunes i think

Yeah, it's there on iTunes, but only if I download the whole DBTT album, which I already own. Fuckers. I did get the Best Buy version with the 5-song live bonus disc though.

Cornflakegrl98

AxlUlrich wrote:

yep it is confirmed..
one of the b-sides is Pass Me Down the Wine which can be found on itunes i think..and everyone's been raving about it..
atm it looks like after TIOBI..the next singles will be Let There Be Love in November and Love Like a Bomb in February

"pass me down the wine" is an exclusive and you can only download it if you buy the album through Itunes, bastards!

AxlUlrich

Cornflakegrl98 wrote:

"pass me down the wine" is an exclusive and you can only download it if you buy the album through Itunes, bastards!

Dont worry..Liam confirmed its gonna be on a b-side soon

AxlUlrich

here is how Don't Believe the Truth debuted around the world for those interested...
-Uk #1
-Japan #1
-Ireland #1
-Italy #1
-Argentina #1
-Switzerland #3
-Norway #5
-France #5
-Holland #11
-U.S.A #12 with sales of 60k..highest debut since Be Here Now debuted at #2 in the US
-Belgium #42
-Mexico #5
-Australia #5
-Singapore #9

DocChicago

What are those kooky Belgians listening to? #42?!!

AxlUlrich

DocChicago wrote:

What are those kooky Belgians listening to? #42?!!

lol yeh that was what i was wondering!
i was hoping for a better debut on the US charts..but ah well..guess it's still not too bad

pushmepullme

DocChicago wrote:

(finally, thanks to pushmepullme for the more insightful post explaining why he thinks Oasis are shit. it showed a much higher level of civility and discourse than we often see around here. kudos.)

No problemo. I Noel is one of the more intelligent and funny 'rock stars' around.

El Riot Actor

AxlUlrich wrote:

here is how Don't Believe the Truth debuted around the world for those interested...
-Uk #1
-Japan #1
-Ireland #1
-Italy #1
-Argentina #1
-Switzerland #3
-Norway #5
-France #5
-Holland #11
-U.S.A #12 with sales of 60k..highest debut since Be Here Now debuted at #2 in the US
-Belgium #42
-Mexico #5
-Australia #2

That's excellent dude!

El Riot Actor

Standing on the Shoulder of Giants is my favourite Oasis the first two albums are two poppy and the 3rd the songs are too long. SOTSOG is perfect for me, it's more rock n' roll than al the other albums.

AxlUlrich

El Riot Actor wrote:

Standing on the Shoulder of Giants is my favourite Oasis the first two albums are two poppy and the 3rd the songs are too long. SOTSOG is perfect for me, it's more rock n' roll than al the other albums.

i agree with Be Here Now being too long and draggy..but Definitely Maybe poppy? nah not at all..WTSMG maybe..

Cornflakegrl98

i don't consider definitely maybe poppy, WTSMG yes. DM is the snottiest, in your face album oasis ever released, that's why it's my favorite album

AxlUlrich

Cornflakegrl98 wrote:

i don't consider definitely maybe poppy, WTSMG yes. DM is the snottiest, in your face album oasis ever released, that's why it's my favorite album

yeh DM is very rock n roll!!
Personally i still prefer WTSMG over DM...but i think Slide Away is better than any song on WTSMG

kdpjam

i can't quit singing the importance of being idle. "i can't get a life if my heart's not in it" gotta love it!

AxlUlrich

kdpjam wrote:

i can't quit singing the importance of being idle. "i can't get a life 'cause my heart's not in it" gotta love it!

yeh dun get why many hate this song and protest it being the next single.
i really love the lyrics to it and Part of the Queue
that line from TIOBI actually reminds me of the line in rock n roll star where Liam sings " Is it worth the aggravation
To find yourself a job when there's nothing worth working for?"

El Riot Actor

AxlUlrich wrote:

i agree with Be Here Now being too long and draggy..but Definitely Maybe poppy? nah not at all..WTSMG maybe..

I love all the albums, but maybe now that i'm a bit older i find standing on the shoulder of Giants more classic rock!

AxlUlrich

icarus wrote:

yea pass me down the wine is a great song.

the lyla bsides are okay, wont let you down is okay, and eyeball tickler is a pretty good rocking song.

i dont think many have mentioned the japanese bonus tracks. sitting here in silence (on my own) is a great song, and i can see it now is good as well.

i haven't heard them yet..waiting for them to appear on b-sides

AxlUlrich

for those who havent seen it..heres a performance of Lyla on german tv..and below has an interview with the band too..enjoy..
http://tvtotal.prosieben.de/show/letzte_sendung/2005/06/07/06260.html

Cornflakegrl98

streaming the album as I type, I love "turn up the sun", the snottiness is back definitely a better opener than "the hindu times" IMO.

mucky fingers is awesome too, love the sound of noels voice and that's as far as I got, heh, but so far not disappointed at all!

AxlUlrich

Cornflakegrl98 wrote:

streaming the album as I type, I love "turn up the sun", the snottiness is back definitely a better opener than "the hindu times" IMO.

mucky fingers is awesome too, love the sound of noels voice and that's as far as I got, heh, but so far not disappointed at all!

yeh Noel's vocals have really improved..noticed that...Turn Up the Son is a great opener..especially love the outro...intro does remind me of Travis alittle

Cornflakegrl98

AxlUlrich wrote:

yeh Noel's vocals have really improved..noticed that...Turn Up the Son is a great opener..especially love the outro...intro does remind me of Travis alittle

i definitely noticed that too, Noel hasn't sounded so crisp since "talk tonight"...so far my favorite track is "the meaning of soul".

this album is by far an improvement, the songs are concise, not bloated or overproduced and overall, it's the probably the best Oasis album since WTSMG