I have no issues with people hustling/f5ing/finding trades to get into GA as many times as they want. That’s totally fine. I would just like to see a random number draw to mix up the very front. I see a lot of people sharing how much better the rail or being right up front is so why not spread the wealth out for everyone if it’s that great?
I said in a previous post what a lottery can turn into. Every show I go to there is someone in the GA line who has never done it before. During tours there’s posts on fb to the effect of: “won GA, it’s been a dream to be on the rail what do I have to do”. Literally in this thread 15 posts up Amantria said they want to do it someday.
If they implement a lottery, you most likely will never know what this feels like. You won tickets to your home town show, spouse is ready to watch the kids, it’s over a weekend, you want the rail that one time in your life? Sorry. There’s a lottery, hope you win and your number is lower than 40. And let’s be serious here, for the rail you don’t need to camp overnight. As I said previously there is usually less than 10 people who go to EVERY show. Get there before them or even after and you’re still going to have an insane spot and everyone here will think you’re part of the rail mafia cause no one but them is allowed to be that close.
I like that the rail is full of people who want it bad enough to figure this out. People have kids, jobs, and responsibilities like everyone else. I have a medical condition that requires me to take medication every day. Having any of these things shouldn’t preclude you from being able to be somewhere else for 12-48 hours depending on where on the rail you’re aiming for. It seems like what is happening is a vocal minority want to be on the rail but don’t want to inconvenience themselves to do it, so you want to blow the whole thing up and make it random just so the people who can aren’t able to anymore.
If it’s really only 10 people then why are we continuing a process that benefits just those 10 people to the detriment of the other 1,000 people in GA?
Do you think that there are only 10 people who line up ahead of time and everyone else shows up at doors? The system benefits the dozens of people who chose to come out and do it. 6am the morning of Ft. Worth 1 last year there were like 100 people in line.
Several people: "Most people lining up are cool but I've definitely witnessed some erratic, aggressive behavior."
Guy who parachutes in, posting erratically and aggressively: "Been there. Doesn't happen. Total fabrication."
And your first hand knowledge is?
Yeah. Thought so. Go with the group mentality here. Suits you.
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What if they’re driving 10 hours after getting off work from a state where Pearl Jam never plays on the day of a show. Is their full day of work followed by a ten hour car ride less dedicated than sitting in a camping chair while taking bathroom and food breaks?
Everyone except those driving 10 hours after work on the day of the show can line up for GA.
I have no issues with people hustling/f5ing/finding trades to get into GA as many times as they want. That’s totally fine. I would just like to see a random number draw to mix up the very front. I see a lot of people sharing how much better the rail or being right up front is so why not spread the wealth out for everyone if it’s that great?
I said in a previous post what a lottery can turn into. Every show I go to there is someone in the GA line who has never done it before. During tours there’s posts on fb to the effect of: “won GA, it’s been a dream to be on the rail what do I have to do”. Literally in this thread 15 posts up Amantria said they want to do it someday.
If they implement a lottery, you most likely will never know what this feels like. You won tickets to your home town show, spouse is ready to watch the kids, it’s over a weekend, you want the rail that one time in your life? Sorry. There’s a lottery, hope you win and your number is lower than 40. And let’s be serious here, for the rail you don’t need to camp overnight. As I said previously there is usually less than 10 people who go to EVERY show. Get there before them or even after and you’re still going to have an insane spot and everyone here will think you’re part of the rail mafia cause no one but them is allowed to be that close.
I like that the rail is full of people who want it bad enough to figure this out. People have kids, jobs, and responsibilities like everyone else. I have a medical condition that requires me to take medication every day. Having any of these things shouldn’t preclude you from being able to be somewhere else for 12-48 hours depending on where on the rail you’re aiming for. It seems like what is happening is a vocal minority want to be on the rail but don’t want to inconvenience themselves to do it, so you want to blow the whole thing up and make it random just so the people who can aren’t able to anymore.
If it’s really only 10 people then why are we continuing a process that benefits just those 10 people to the detriment of the other 1,000 people in GA?
Do you think that there are only 10 people who line up ahead of time and everyone else shows up at doors? The system benefits the dozens of people who chose to come out and do it. 6am the morning of Ft. Worth 1 last year there were like 100 people in line.
I was referring to you saying there are only 10 people who do it every show.
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I'm a fan of a regionally popular band with a devout "rail gang" adjacent group. They would also say they're an inclusive bunch (just as long as you're not in front of them). The behavior is off-putting to the common fan. That band has gotten very good at making their cringes look like smiles. I can't speak for Pearl Jam's personal thoughts, so I won't. But...
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Yeah, I don't know...It's not for me, but I don't look down on the people that do it.
They aren't hurting anyone... suggesting it's selfish or toxic / unhealthy behavior seems a bit much, all things considered.
They’ve pretty much posed as 10c and made fake lists for GA lines in the past and man you should have seen some of the shit I saw in Chicago 2018 after the storm delay. Not all, but a lot of it is toxic unhealthy ENTITLED behavior
"Well, I think this band is incapable of sucking."
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Several people: "Most people lining up are cool but I've definitely witnessed some erratic, aggressive behavior."
Guy who parachutes in, posting erratically and aggressively: "Been there. Doesn't happen. Total fabrication."
And your first hand knowledge is?
Yeah. Thought so. Go with the group mentality here. Suits you.
There have been numerous posts on this thread with first hand knowledge of shenanigans. I've experienced it as well. Keep trying.
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I have no issues with people hustling/f5ing/finding trades to get into GA as many times as they want. That’s totally fine. I would just like to see a random number draw to mix up the very front. I see a lot of people sharing how much better the rail or being right up front is so why not spread the wealth out for everyone if it’s that great?
I said in a previous post what a lottery can turn into. Every show I go to there is someone in the GA line who has never done it before. During tours there’s posts on fb to the effect of: “won GA, it’s been a dream to be on the rail what do I have to do”. Literally in this thread 15 posts up Amantria said they want to do it someday.
If they implement a lottery, you most likely will never know what this feels like. You won tickets to your home town show, spouse is ready to watch the kids, it’s over a weekend, you want the rail that one time in your life? Sorry. There’s a lottery, hope you win and your number is lower than 40. And let’s be serious here, for the rail you don’t need to camp overnight. As I said previously there is usually less than 10 people who go to EVERY show. Get there before them or even after and you’re still going to have an insane spot and everyone here will think you’re part of the rail mafia cause no one but them is allowed to be that close.
I like that the rail is full of people who want it bad enough to figure this out. People have kids, jobs, and responsibilities like everyone else. I have a medical condition that requires me to take medication every day. Having any of these things shouldn’t preclude you from being able to be somewhere else for 12-48 hours depending on where on the rail you’re aiming for. It seems like what is happening is a vocal minority want to be on the rail but don’t want to inconvenience themselves to do it, so you want to blow the whole thing up and make it random just so the people who can aren’t able to anymore.
If it’s really only 10 people then why are we continuing a process that benefits just those 10 people to the detriment of the other 1,000 people in GA?
I have no issues with people hustling/f5ing/finding trades to get into GA as many times as they want. That’s totally fine. I would just like to see a random number draw to mix up the very front. I see a lot of people sharing how much better the rail or being right up front is so why not spread the wealth out for everyone if it’s that great?
I said in a previous post what a lottery can turn into. Every show I go to there is someone in the GA line who has never done it before. During tours there’s posts on fb to the effect of: “won GA, it’s been a dream to be on the rail what do I have to do”. Literally in this thread 15 posts up Amantria said they want to do it someday.
If they implement a lottery, you most likely will never know what this feels like. You won tickets to your home town show, spouse is ready to watch the kids, it’s over a weekend, you want the rail that one time in your life? Sorry. There’s a lottery, hope you win and your number is lower than 40. And let’s be serious here, for the rail you don’t need to camp overnight. As I said previously there is usually less than 10 people who go to EVERY show. Get there before them or even after and you’re still going to have an insane spot and everyone here will think you’re part of the rail mafia cause no one but them is allowed to be that close.
I like that the rail is full of people who want it bad enough to figure this out. People have kids, jobs, and responsibilities like everyone else. I have a medical condition that requires me to take medication every day. Having any of these things shouldn’t preclude you from being able to be somewhere else for 12-48 hours depending on where on the rail you’re aiming for. It seems like what is happening is a vocal minority want to be on the rail but don’t want to inconvenience themselves to do it, so you want to blow the whole thing up and make it random just so the people who can aren’t able to anymore.
If it’s really only 10 people then why are we continuing a process that benefits just those 10 people to the detriment of the other 1,000 people in GA?
Benefits? The other 1000 can’t figure out where the line is?
Of course they can. I’m just saying there should be a random number draw and then everyone can show up to that line an hour before doors open.
Why? So “everyone can get their chance”? This isn’t kindergarten.
No… so everyone gets an equal chance.
Everyone has an equal chance already.
What if they’re driving 10 hours after getting off work from a state where Pearl Jam never plays on the day of a show. Is their full day of work followed by a ten hour car ride less dedicated than sitting in a camping chair while taking bathroom and food breaks?
Who said they’re less dedicated? Those are your words.
I’m sure those same people take holidays, stay overnight places. It’s all what you choose to do with your free time.
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What if they’re driving 10 hours after getting off work from a state where Pearl Jam never plays on the day of a show. Is their full day of work followed by a ten hour car ride less dedicated than sitting in a camping chair while taking bathroom and food breaks?
Everyone except those driving 10 hours after work on the day of the show can line up for GA.
Yup. And another couple dozen other situations that prevent people from lining up 24+ hours in advance. Hence the suggestion to do a random number draw.
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I'm a fan of a regionally popular band with a devout "rail gang" adjacent group. They would also say they're an inclusive bunch (just as long as you're not in front of them). The behavior is off-putting to the common fan. That band has gotten very good at making their cringes look like smiles. I can't speak for Pearl Jam's personal thoughts, so I won't. But...
You won’t speak for the band. But you’ll imply it.
And use other non- Pearl Jam band rail communities as evidence.
But when someone implies the band seems quite happy with some of the regulars they see up front - going so far as to comment on it at shows. Well, they’re just being nice.
I'm a fan of a regionally popular band with a devout "rail gang" adjacent group. They would also say they're an inclusive bunch (just as long as you're not in front of them). The behavior is off-putting to the common fan. That band has gotten very good at making their cringes look like smiles. I can't speak for Pearl Jam's personal thoughts, so I won't. But...
😂
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Several people: "Most people lining up are cool but I've definitely witnessed some erratic, aggressive behavior."
Guy who parachutes in, posting erratically and aggressively: "Been there. Doesn't happen. Total fabrication."
And your first hand knowledge is?
Yeah. Thought so. Go with the group mentality here. Suits you.
Why are you acting like it never happens? Maybe you’re not the one doing it but it absolutely happens. I mentioned a few pages back that my one time in GA when I joined my ticket buddy who was in line all day, I was told by someone a couple back that if I end up on the rail and he doesn’t there’s going to be a problem. It was clear he was with a larger group and had a mob mentality.
Don’t speak in absolutes like it never, ever happens. It does.
I have no issues with people hustling/f5ing/finding trades to get into GA as many times as they want. That’s totally fine. I would just like to see a random number draw to mix up the very front. I see a lot of people sharing how much better the rail or being right up front is so why not spread the wealth out for everyone if it’s that great?
I said in a previous post what a lottery can turn into. Every show I go to there is someone in the GA line who has never done it before. During tours there’s posts on fb to the effect of: “won GA, it’s been a dream to be on the rail what do I have to do”. Literally in this thread 15 posts up Amantria said they want to do it someday.
If they implement a lottery, you most likely will never know what this feels like. You won tickets to your home town show, spouse is ready to watch the kids, it’s over a weekend, you want the rail that one time in your life? Sorry. There’s a lottery, hope you win and your number is lower than 40. And let’s be serious here, for the rail you don’t need to camp overnight. As I said previously there is usually less than 10 people who go to EVERY show. Get there before them or even after and you’re still going to have an insane spot and everyone here will think you’re part of the rail mafia cause no one but them is allowed to be that close.
I like that the rail is full of people who want it bad enough to figure this out. People have kids, jobs, and responsibilities like everyone else. I have a medical condition that requires me to take medication every day. Having any of these things shouldn’t preclude you from being able to be somewhere else for 12-48 hours depending on where on the rail you’re aiming for. It seems like what is happening is a vocal minority want to be on the rail but don’t want to inconvenience themselves to do it, so you want to blow the whole thing up and make it random just so the people who can aren’t able to anymore.
If it’s really only 10 people then why are we continuing a process that benefits just those 10 people to the detriment of the other 1,000 people in GA?
I have no issues with people hustling/f5ing/finding trades to get into GA as many times as they want. That’s totally fine. I would just like to see a random number draw to mix up the very front. I see a lot of people sharing how much better the rail or being right up front is so why not spread the wealth out for everyone if it’s that great?
I said in a previous post what a lottery can turn into. Every show I go to there is someone in the GA line who has never done it before. During tours there’s posts on fb to the effect of: “won GA, it’s been a dream to be on the rail what do I have to do”. Literally in this thread 15 posts up Amantria said they want to do it someday.
If they implement a lottery, you most likely will never know what this feels like. You won tickets to your home town show, spouse is ready to watch the kids, it’s over a weekend, you want the rail that one time in your life? Sorry. There’s a lottery, hope you win and your number is lower than 40. And let’s be serious here, for the rail you don’t need to camp overnight. As I said previously there is usually less than 10 people who go to EVERY show. Get there before them or even after and you’re still going to have an insane spot and everyone here will think you’re part of the rail mafia cause no one but them is allowed to be that close.
I like that the rail is full of people who want it bad enough to figure this out. People have kids, jobs, and responsibilities like everyone else. I have a medical condition that requires me to take medication every day. Having any of these things shouldn’t preclude you from being able to be somewhere else for 12-48 hours depending on where on the rail you’re aiming for. It seems like what is happening is a vocal minority want to be on the rail but don’t want to inconvenience themselves to do it, so you want to blow the whole thing up and make it random just so the people who can aren’t able to anymore.
If it’s really only 10 people then why are we continuing a process that benefits just those 10 people to the detriment of the other 1,000 people in GA?
Benefits? The other 1000 can’t figure out where the line is?
Of course they can. I’m just saying there should be a random number draw and then everyone can show up to that line an hour before doors open.
Why? So “everyone can get their chance”? This isn’t kindergarten.
No… so everyone gets an equal chance.
Everyone has an equal chance already.
What if they’re driving 10 hours after getting off work from a state where Pearl Jam never plays on the day of a show. Is their full day of work followed by a ten hour car ride less dedicated than sitting in a camping chair while taking bathroom and food breaks?
Who said they’re less dedicated? Those are your words.
I’m sure those same people take holidays, stay overnight places. It’s all what you choose to do with your free time.
Sure, man. All you peeps in the camping chairs are the biggest fans. You guys deserve it!
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Several people: "Most people lining up are cool but I've definitely witnessed some erratic, aggressive behavior."
Guy who parachutes in, posting erratically and aggressively: "Been there. Doesn't happen. Total fabrication."
And your first hand knowledge is?
Yeah. Thought so. Go with the group mentality here. Suits you.
There have been numerous posts on this thread with first hand knowledge of shenanigans. I've experienced it as well. Keep trying.
Oh yeah “first hand knowledge” 😂
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This sounds like a group of whiny entitled conspiracy theorists. Pages of fables made up about people and circumstances most of you know nothing about. Yet again. Stories you “heard”, assumptions you’re making and talking for “the band, amongst others.
You have zero clue what you’re talking about.
There’s no list. No sneaking in. No holding spots. No dumping drinks on people. No assigned spots on the rail. And no entitlement.
It is literally line up and get your spot. Do your time. If you can’t do your time or it’s not your thing why shit on others? Why do you even care enough to debate here?
I have been lining up for the rail for 11 years whenever I can make it work. I have made some of my best friends doing that and I love every minute of the experience. People have come and gone and over the past few years a new group has joined us and they are awesome. If you’re not an asshole you’ll have the same experience. No one is going to shun you or bully you or make you feel unwelcome. We all work together to make our nights and days on the sidewalk safe and fun. No one takes advantage, and if you do, you’re called out. As you should be.
The band hates it? Ha. I’m not even going to address that because you’d have to be up front to know how they feed off us and us them. That dynamic is frankly not something that can even be described and I don’t care if you believe me or understand.
Keep crapping on us. Don’t care. You all sound insane with your made up stories and conspiracy theories. Insane. Line up and join us and you’ll see!
Nobody is crapping on people putting in their time. People are not happy with shady business that others are doing. If that's not your then chill out.
I’m not the person you responded to but I care enough about this to comment here because these posts aren’t ever about a specific incident or person, it’s “the people up front”. As one of those people I wanted to share my perspective because if I had never done it before I would be getting the impression there is a large group who only lets their friends get on the rail and bullies anyone who lines up legitimately and this is a lie. I know this because I just decided to do it one day and had a great time and made a lot of friends. If all of these stories were true at face value I wouldn’t have any of these experiences or pictures to talk about.
I'm happy for you and all that have positive GA experiences, as I always have. Others have not been so lucky and to blindly dismiss it as conspiracy as the other poster did is an issue.
And if you are going about it the right way, none of this is directed at you.
I have no issues with people hustling/f5ing/finding trades to get into GA as many times as they want. That’s totally fine. I would just like to see a random number draw to mix up the very front. I see a lot of people sharing how much better the rail or being right up front is so why not spread the wealth out for everyone if it’s that great?
I said in a previous post what a lottery can turn into. Every show I go to there is someone in the GA line who has never done it before. During tours there’s posts on fb to the effect of: “won GA, it’s been a dream to be on the rail what do I have to do”. Literally in this thread 15 posts up Amantria said they want to do it someday.
If they implement a lottery, you most likely will never know what this feels like. You won tickets to your home town show, spouse is ready to watch the kids, it’s over a weekend, you want the rail that one time in your life? Sorry. There’s a lottery, hope you win and your number is lower than 40. And let’s be serious here, for the rail you don’t need to camp overnight. As I said previously there is usually less than 10 people who go to EVERY show. Get there before them or even after and you’re still going to have an insane spot and everyone here will think you’re part of the rail mafia cause no one but them is allowed to be that close.
I like that the rail is full of people who want it bad enough to figure this out. People have kids, jobs, and responsibilities like everyone else. I have a medical condition that requires me to take medication every day. Having any of these things shouldn’t preclude you from being able to be somewhere else for 12-48 hours depending on where on the rail you’re aiming for. It seems like what is happening is a vocal minority want to be on the rail but don’t want to inconvenience themselves to do it, so you want to blow the whole thing up and make it random just so the people who can aren’t able to anymore.
If it’s really only 10 people then why are we continuing a process that benefits just those 10 people to the detriment of the other 1,000 people in GA?
I have no issues with people hustling/f5ing/finding trades to get into GA as many times as they want. That’s totally fine. I would just like to see a random number draw to mix up the very front. I see a lot of people sharing how much better the rail or being right up front is so why not spread the wealth out for everyone if it’s that great?
I said in a previous post what a lottery can turn into. Every show I go to there is someone in the GA line who has never done it before. During tours there’s posts on fb to the effect of: “won GA, it’s been a dream to be on the rail what do I have to do”. Literally in this thread 15 posts up Amantria said they want to do it someday.
If they implement a lottery, you most likely will never know what this feels like. You won tickets to your home town show, spouse is ready to watch the kids, it’s over a weekend, you want the rail that one time in your life? Sorry. There’s a lottery, hope you win and your number is lower than 40. And let’s be serious here, for the rail you don’t need to camp overnight. As I said previously there is usually less than 10 people who go to EVERY show. Get there before them or even after and you’re still going to have an insane spot and everyone here will think you’re part of the rail mafia cause no one but them is allowed to be that close.
I like that the rail is full of people who want it bad enough to figure this out. People have kids, jobs, and responsibilities like everyone else. I have a medical condition that requires me to take medication every day. Having any of these things shouldn’t preclude you from being able to be somewhere else for 12-48 hours depending on where on the rail you’re aiming for. It seems like what is happening is a vocal minority want to be on the rail but don’t want to inconvenience themselves to do it, so you want to blow the whole thing up and make it random just so the people who can aren’t able to anymore.
If it’s really only 10 people then why are we continuing a process that benefits just those 10 people to the detriment of the other 1,000 people in GA?
Benefits? The other 1000 can’t figure out where the line is?
Of course they can. I’m just saying there should be a random number draw and then everyone can show up to that line an hour before doors open.
Why? So “everyone can get their chance”? This isn’t kindergarten.
No… so everyone gets an equal chance.
Everyone has an equal chance already.
What if they’re driving 10 hours after getting off work from a state where Pearl Jam never plays on the day of a show. Is their full day of work followed by a ten hour car ride less dedicated than sitting in a camping chair while taking bathroom and food breaks?
Who said they’re less dedicated? Those are your words.
I’m sure those same people take holidays, stay overnight places. It’s all what you choose to do with your free time.
Sure, man. All you peeps in the camping chairs are the biggest fans. You guys deserve it!
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Several people: "Most people lining up are cool but I've definitely witnessed some erratic, aggressive behavior."
Guy who parachutes in, posting erratically and aggressively: "Been there. Doesn't happen. Total fabrication."
And your first hand knowledge is?
Yeah. Thought so. Go with the group mentality here. Suits you.
There have been numerous posts on this thread with first hand knowledge of shenanigans. I've experienced it as well. Keep trying.
No, there are vague posts with one sided stories about something that may or may not have happened and are being attributed to this group of people unfairly.
I told my example of the Seattle line where two people showed up two days early but wanted to sleep in their hotel room. The people in line said that’s not cool you can’t do that and an argument ensued because their reasoning was “you all sleep in hotels anyway”. They actually did stay in line and probably didn’t actually sleep there but to prevent any further altercations no one said anything and just let them be.
All those people need to do is show up in this thread and say the people in line bullied them and made their experience awful and it will be taken as gospel by everyone here who wants to believe in the narrative of a rail mafia.
Several people: "Most people lining up are cool but I've definitely witnessed some erratic, aggressive behavior."
Guy who parachutes in, posting erratically and aggressively: "Been there. Doesn't happen. Total fabrication."
And your first hand knowledge is?
Yeah. Thought so. Go with the group mentality here. Suits you.
Why are you acting like it never happens? Maybe you’re not the one doing it but it absolutely happens. I mentioned a few pages back that my one time in GA when I joined my ticket buddy who was in line all day, I was told by someone a couple back that if I end up on the rail and he doesn’t there’s going to be a problem. It was clear he was with a larger group and had a mob mentality.
Don’t speak in absolutes like it never, ever happens. It does.
So you showed up and budded in line in front of people who had been there all day? You don’t see THAT as the problem?
Now who’s entitled?
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Several people: "Most people lining up are cool but I've definitely witnessed some erratic, aggressive behavior."
Guy who parachutes in, posting erratically and aggressively: "Been there. Doesn't happen. Total fabrication."
And your first hand knowledge is?
Yeah. Thought so. Go with the group mentality here. Suits you.
There have been numerous posts on this thread with first hand knowledge of shenanigans. I've experienced it as well. Keep trying.
No, there are vague posts with one sided stories about something that may or may not have happened and are being attributed to this group of people unfairly.
I told my example of the Seattle line where two people showed up two days early but wanted to sleep in their hotel room. The people in line said that’s not cool you can’t do that and an argument ensued because their reasoning was “you all sleep in hotels anyway”. They actually did stay in line and probably didn’t actually sleep there but to prevent any further altercations no one said anything and just let them be.
All those people need to do is show up in this thread and say the people in line bullied them and made their experience awful and it will be taken as gospel by everyone here who wants to believe in the narrative of a rail mafia.
I know who you are and I'm not disputing your experience. I and many others have had different experiences at different times/places. Is it the majority? No. But, it does happen and has been ugly at times.
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Several people: "Most people lining up are cool but I've definitely witnessed some erratic, aggressive behavior."
Guy who parachutes in, posting erratically and aggressively: "Been there. Doesn't happen. Total fabrication."
And your first hand knowledge is?
Yeah. Thought so. Go with the group mentality here. Suits you.
There have been numerous posts on this thread with first hand knowledge of shenanigans. I've experienced it as well. Keep trying.
No, there are vague posts with one sided stories about something that may or may not have happened and are being attributed to this group of people unfairly.
I told my example of the Seattle line where two people showed up two days early but wanted to sleep in their hotel room. The people in line said that’s not cool you can’t do that and an argument ensued because their reasoning was “you all sleep in hotels anyway”. They actually did stay in line and probably didn’t actually sleep there but to prevent any further altercations no one said anything and just let them be.
All those people need to do is show up in this thread and say the people in line bullied them and made their experience awful and it will be taken as gospel by everyone here who wants to believe in the narrative of a rail mafia.
Exactly.
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Several people: "Most people lining up are cool but I've definitely witnessed some erratic, aggressive behavior."
Guy who parachutes in, posting erratically and aggressively: "Been there. Doesn't happen. Total fabrication."
And your first hand knowledge is?
Yeah. Thought so. Go with the group mentality here. Suits you.
There have been numerous posts on this thread with first hand knowledge of shenanigans. I've experienced it as well. Keep trying.
No, there are vague posts with one sided stories about something that may or may not have happened and are being attributed to this group of people unfairly.
I told my example of the Seattle line where two people showed up two days early but wanted to sleep in their hotel room. The people in line said that’s not cool you can’t do that and an argument ensued because their reasoning was “you all sleep in hotels anyway”. They actually did stay in line and probably didn’t actually sleep there but to prevent any further altercations no one said anything and just let them be.
All those people need to do is show up in this thread and say the people in line bullied them and made their experience awful and it will be taken as gospel by everyone here who wants to believe in the narrative of a rail mafia.
Exactly.
Exactly! Let's dismiss anyone's bad time, just because you weren't there!
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number draw.
ISO Hollywood & Nashville 2 tickets. PM me to coordinate a drop!
I’d also like to throw in that I’d love to see rows 1,2,9,10 of reserved randomized again!
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