Same folks up front

spankyMP

given2flym said:

spankyMP said:

Chrrie said:

spankyMP said:

Chrrie said:

spankyMP said:

Bottom line is, the majority of fans and the BAND would love more variety up front. That said, I'm good five people deep in front of Mike after pre-gaming on my own schedule and strolling in about 30 minutes before showtime.

I don’t think the band has indicated this anywhere but any fan is welcome to line up for GA as its first come first serve. My first GA was San Diego 22 and I didn’t know anyone and just got in line. It was really that simple, no one made me feel unwelcome because I was new. 

They literally implemented the 1,2, 9,10 random rule for this purpose and then went back to GA, come on man.

Exactly, they went back to GA and it’s been that way for years. Which to me indicates the band doesn’t want this to change as the person I replied to suggested. I don’t understand what you’re getting at here. 

I'm just taking part in the discussion. You said the band never said something and I pointed out that the actually did. All good.

I’m quite settled. Thanks for checking in. I was merely pointing out that you were referencing a time when seats were assigned and it was by seniority. And literally the same people were up front. Now it’s a free for all and anyone can be up front. And while there’s a good amount of the same people in the first row or two, it’s fun to say it’s “all the same people” but it’s not. And the people who are up there all the time want it bad and generally bring tons of energy. As do the people who are there for the first time. Under this set up, if you’re up front, you really have to want it to make it happen. And I think the band appreciates that type of dedication and energy. 

Ok, I incorrectly took a light hearted jab at your passive aggression and now it is clear . All good. 

given2flym

spankyMP said:

given2flym said:

spankyMP said:

Chrrie said:

spankyMP said:

Chrrie said:

spankyMP said:

Bottom line is, the majority of fans and the BAND would love more variety up front. That said, I'm good five people deep in front of Mike after pre-gaming on my own schedule and strolling in about 30 minutes before showtime.

I don’t think the band has indicated this anywhere but any fan is welcome to line up for GA as its first come first serve. My first GA was San Diego 22 and I didn’t know anyone and just got in line. It was really that simple, no one made me feel unwelcome because I was new. 

They literally implemented the 1,2, 9,10 random rule for this purpose and then went back to GA, come on man.

Exactly, they went back to GA and it’s been that way for years. Which to me indicates the band doesn’t want this to change as the person I replied to suggested. I don’t understand what you’re getting at here. 

I'm just taking part in the discussion. You said the band never said something and I pointed out that the actually did. All good.

I’m quite settled. Thanks for checking in. I was merely pointing out that you were referencing a time when seats were assigned and it was by seniority. And literally the same people were up front. Now it’s a free for all and anyone can be up front. And while there’s a good amount of the same people in the first row or two, it’s fun to say it’s “all the same people” but it’s not. And the people who are up there all the time want it bad and generally bring tons of energy. As do the people who are there for the first time. Under this set up, if you’re up front, you really have to want it to make it happen. And I think the band appreciates that type of dedication and energy. 

Ok, I incorrectly took a light hearted jab at your passive aggression and now it is clear . All good. 

I was just lightheartedly making my thoughts known :laugh: Cool

spankyMP

Go Animal

Chrrie said:

Go Animal said:

Get_Right said:

I do not do GA anymore. But give me better seats! The rail people will do what they do. I am ok with it as long as they do not exclude fans to be there. No saving spots. The idea of a rail gang, which happens with some bands, is not cool. In fact I would hope that folks would want to share that experience with new people. 

There is spot saving. People taking extended breaks at their hotel to wash up, have a bite, and sometimes take care of work! Every single show. I know because they let me do it at REDACTED (and it was much appreciated).

It's all self-governed.

And yes, they do let the occasional friend in who DIDN'T put in the time, but only when doors are about to open. No one speaks up about it in line, because the hardcores are at virtually EVERY show.

A few guys (names withheld) help keep a list (not every time, only when needed). When rules are enforced by a venue (like Vegas), they make sure everyone is on the same page as to when/if they have to disperse, that they'll line up in the same order they were in before said line is moved (or dissolved).

There's also PJ crew who are friendly with them, considering the amount of time spent together. I mean, I get it.

I'm not entirely against it, I just think everyone should be upfront about it at this point. Like "yeah, we do this. Like it, or don't. Join us, and put in the early arrival time, watch our spot & we'll watch yours."

Why try & pretend it's not a thing anymore? We all see it every show. Meanwhile, 10C & the band turn a blind eye to it. And why not, really? They're still getting paid

Name names then, I’m at a lot of shows so I’d like to know who you’re calling out if this is happening where the “hardcores” let friends into the line who weren’t there. 

Yes hardcores leave to go to the bathroom, get food, or take a shower. People who didn’t camp do the same thing. If we’re to the point where it’s unfair if people are only there for 46 of the 48 hours then alright, complain to the 10c. 

Transparency comes from within. And I am most definitely not within, lol. I've made peace with it, but we should all be honest about it at this point. As far as 10c is concerned, again... memberships have been paid, and tickets sold. They won't do anything unless there's a big fight, or if someone gets caught selling their spot ala "Same Old Line Dudes" in NYC, or anyone on Taskrabbit.

Business as usual.

Go Animal

P.S. as far as the whole "Ed likes it this way" argument, he's just being polite & appreciative. Nobody TRULY wants to see the same faces over & over at their shows (at least in a row). He wants to scream "HELLO!", not "Oh, hey ______ - good to see you again! For the... 34th... consecutive show."

They want to see people having fun. Singing along, hands in the air, interacting, breathing, LIVING. In the moment.

The occasional familiar face is nice, but it's not the reason why they still tour.

We all are. All of us. And them.

Playing music they want to hear & music WE want to hear.

That's the magic.

Poncier

Merkin Baller said:

I'm sure there's some people sneaking into GA.... in hindsight, it could easily have been done at Fenway, but I don't think these are the same people who are camping out overnight to get on the rail. 

GA for night 2 at Fenway was significantly more packed than night 1. It was obvious that folks saw the process to get into the pit on Sunday and realized there was a fairly easy way to game the system and get extra folks (I'd venture a few hundred) into GA on Tuesday.

Chrrie

Go Animal said:

Chrrie said:

Go Animal said:

Get_Right said:

I do not do GA anymore. But give me better seats! The rail people will do what they do. I am ok with it as long as they do not exclude fans to be there. No saving spots. The idea of a rail gang, which happens with some bands, is not cool. In fact I would hope that folks would want to share that experience with new people. 

There is spot saving. People taking extended breaks at their hotel to wash up, have a bite, and sometimes take care of work! Every single show. I know because they let me do it at REDACTED (and it was much appreciated).

It's all self-governed.

And yes, they do let the occasional friend in who DIDN'T put in the time, but only when doors are about to open. No one speaks up about it in line, because the hardcores are at virtually EVERY show.

A few guys (names withheld) help keep a list (not every time, only when needed). When rules are enforced by a venue (like Vegas), they make sure everyone is on the same page as to when/if they have to disperse, that they'll line up in the same order they were in before said line is moved (or dissolved).

There's also PJ crew who are friendly with them, considering the amount of time spent together. I mean, I get it.

I'm not entirely against it, I just think everyone should be upfront about it at this point. Like "yeah, we do this. Like it, or don't. Join us, and put in the early arrival time, watch our spot & we'll watch yours."

Why try & pretend it's not a thing anymore? We all see it every show. Meanwhile, 10C & the band turn a blind eye to it. And why not, really? They're still getting paid

Name names then, I’m at a lot of shows so I’d like to know who you’re calling out if this is happening where the “hardcores” let friends into the line who weren’t there. 

Yes hardcores leave to go to the bathroom, get food, or take a shower. People who didn’t camp do the same thing. If we’re to the point where it’s unfair if people are only there for 46 of the 48 hours then alright, complain to the 10c. 

Transparency comes from within. And I am most definitely not within, lol. I've made peace with it, but we should all be honest about it at this point. As far as 10c is concerned, again... memberships have been paid, and tickets sold. They won't do anything unless there's a big fight, or if someone gets caught selling their spot ala "The Line Guys" in NYC.

Business as usual.

This is such a cop out. I don’t know who you are yet you seem to be aware of the comings and goings of me and my friends in the GA line. I invite anyone who wants to experience how insanely incredible it is to be on the rail to line up with me and I will make sure you have everything you need to make the line experience enjoyable. 

I care a lot about this. It’s the thing I look forward to the absolute most out of anything and it’s not JUST becsuse of the 2.5 hour show it’s because of the people I met doing it who are legitimately great people: “the people who are always up front”, “rail mafia”, “entitled” and other things we’ve been called. 

I don’t want the system to change which is why I sometimes comment on posts like this here or on fb. I’ve seen a lottery destroy the experience for the other band I love. I’m sorry if I’m entitled because I use 90% of my vacation to do this, it’s THAT important to me and the other people who you always see. 

People talk about how we “take care of each other” but in reference to shenanigans. What it means to me is when someone offers you food, to use the bathroom at the $200/night hotel they got across the street, or a mattress when yours pops a leak, or a ride to the next show for nothing, or all the people not on the rail they change places with so they can experience it for a song or two. 

It’s just really frustrating to have this reputation for being an asshole or gaming the system because we’re always referred to as a collective rather than calling out bad eggs, and it puts what the majority of us love at risk when false narratives or incomplete pictures are reported to the 10c or the PJ community as the blanket way things are. So no I’m not going to “be up front about it” and acquiesce that your perception is also my experience because it’s not. 

Go Animal

P.P.S. I have no quarrel with you @Chrrie or with anyone down in the pit. I'm just pointing out things I've seen (and participated in) firsthand. Again, I've made peace with it, but anyone down there still doing it the way it's been done for years should just be honest about it.

If you're not one of them, then none of that is on you. Keep going to every show you can, have a great time & may the fates bless us all. Hell, may you get a Stone, or Jeff pick.

Chrrie

Go Animal said:

P.P.S. I have no quarrel with you @Chrrie or with anyone down in the pit. I'm just pointing out things I've seen (and participated in) firsthand. Again, I've made peace with it, but anyone down there still doing it the way it's been done for years should just be honest about it.

If you're not one of them, then none of that is on you. Keep going to every show you can, have a great time & may the fates bless us all. Hell, may you get a Stone, or Jeff pick.

Maybe come and say hi the next time you’re in or near the GA line. Anyone come and say hi. I’m usually in something Buffalo Bills related and often have things I make to hand out to the PJ community. 

pjl44

Chrrie said:

Go Animal said:

Chrrie said:

Go Animal said:

Get_Right said:

I do not do GA anymore. But give me better seats! The rail people will do what they do. I am ok with it as long as they do not exclude fans to be there. No saving spots. The idea of a rail gang, which happens with some bands, is not cool. In fact I would hope that folks would want to share that experience with new people. 

There is spot saving. People taking extended breaks at their hotel to wash up, have a bite, and sometimes take care of work! Every single show. I know because they let me do it at REDACTED (and it was much appreciated).

It's all self-governed.

And yes, they do let the occasional friend in who DIDN'T put in the time, but only when doors are about to open. No one speaks up about it in line, because the hardcores are at virtually EVERY show.

A few guys (names withheld) help keep a list (not every time, only when needed). When rules are enforced by a venue (like Vegas), they make sure everyone is on the same page as to when/if they have to disperse, that they'll line up in the same order they were in before said line is moved (or dissolved).

There's also PJ crew who are friendly with them, considering the amount of time spent together. I mean, I get it.

I'm not entirely against it, I just think everyone should be upfront about it at this point. Like "yeah, we do this. Like it, or don't. Join us, and put in the early arrival time, watch our spot & we'll watch yours."

Why try & pretend it's not a thing anymore? We all see it every show. Meanwhile, 10C & the band turn a blind eye to it. And why not, really? They're still getting paid

Name names then, I’m at a lot of shows so I’d like to know who you’re calling out if this is happening where the “hardcores” let friends into the line who weren’t there. 

Yes hardcores leave to go to the bathroom, get food, or take a shower. People who didn’t camp do the same thing. If we’re to the point where it’s unfair if people are only there for 46 of the 48 hours then alright, complain to the 10c. 

Transparency comes from within. And I am most definitely not within, lol. I've made peace with it, but we should all be honest about it at this point. As far as 10c is concerned, again... memberships have been paid, and tickets sold. They won't do anything unless there's a big fight, or if someone gets caught selling their spot ala "The Line Guys" in NYC.

Business as usual.

This is such a cop out. I don’t know who you are yet you seem to be aware of the comings and goings of me and my friends in the GA line. I invite anyone who wants to experience how insanely incredible it is to be on the rail to line up with me and I will make sure you have everything you need to make the line experience enjoyable. 

I care a lot about this. It’s the thing I look forward to the absolute most out of anything and it’s not JUST becsuse of the 2.5 hour show it’s because of the people I met doing it who are legitimately great people: “the people who are always up front”, “rail mafia”, “entitled” and other things we’ve been called. 

I don’t want the system to change which is why I sometimes comment on posts like this here or on fb. I’ve seen a lottery destroy the experience for the other band I love. I’m sorry if I’m entitled because I use 90% of my vacation to do this, it’s THAT important to me and the other people who you always see. 

People talk about how we “take care of each other” but in reference to shenanigans. What it means to me is when someone offers you food, to use the bathroom at the $200/night hotel they got across the street, or a mattress when yours pops a leak, or a ride to the next show for nothing, or all the people not on the rail they change places with so they can experience it for a song or two. 

It’s just really frustrating to have this reputation for being an asshole or gaming the system because we’re always referred to as a collective rather than calling out bad eggs, and it puts what the majority of us love at risk when false narratives or incomplete pictures are reported to the 10c or the PJ community as the blanket way things are. So no I’m not going to “be up front about it” and acquiesce that your perception is also my experience because it’s not. 

Please be careful how you speak to him. He has whistleblower immunity.

pjl44

Jokes aside, you have to self-police otherwise you do get lumped into the bad behavior, rightly or wrongly

Chrrie

pjl44 said:

Jokes aside, you have to self-police otherwise you do get lumped into the bad behavior, rightly or wrongly

We do, which is why I’d like to know who’s doing this stuff to put an end to it if it’s happening. 

Go Animal

Chrrie said:

Go Animal said:

P.P.S. I have no quarrel with you @Chrrie or with anyone down in the pit. I'm just pointing out things I've seen (and participated in) firsthand. Again, I've made peace with it, but anyone down there still doing it the way it's been done for years should just be honest about it.

If you're not one of them, then none of that is on you. Keep going to every show you can, have a great time & may the fates bless us all. Hell, may you get a Stone, or Jeff pick.

Maybe come and say hi the next time you’re in or near the GA line. Anyone come and say hi. I’m usually in something Buffalo Bills related and often have things I make to hand out to the PJ community. 

If you are who I think you are, there's always a group of girl friends when I'm in GA who get water for anyone who needs it, and/or help watch spots for bathroom breaks. Which is extremely kind. If that's you, then thank you. If not, then this is me highlighting one of the genuine bright spots of GA: care.

P.S. the Rams got lucky.

CROJAM95

It’s funny to me

complain same old people up front…. Let’s complain same old crotchety responses on here… don’t show your age 😝

seriously… it’s rock n roll, if someone is dedicated and puts in the effort, ball out. If you see bullshit, have the balls to call someone out…. What’s done is done. All we can do is look out for each other as a community. GA is a rock n roll staple, sorry old folks home down the street 

Go Animal

pjl44 said:

Jokes aside, you have to self-police otherwise you do get lumped into the bad behavior, rightly or wrongly

I also get why they don't! Confrontation sucks. Especially when it involves your favorite band. Anxiety goes through the roof.

All things considered, even with all this drama, we're still more cordial with each other than Bruce fans (I would also say DMB, but I haven't been to one of their pits in years).

One thing's for certain: we're ALL nicer to each other than 311 fans 😤

GlowGirl

Chrrie said:

Go Animal said:

P.P.S. I have no quarrel with you @Chrrie or with anyone down in the pit. I'm just pointing out things I've seen (and participated in) firsthand. Again, I've made peace with it, but anyone down there still doing it the way it's been done for years should just be honest about it.

If you're not one of them, then none of that is on you. Keep going to every show you can, have a great time & may the fates bless us all. Hell, may you get a Stone, or Jeff pick.

Maybe come and say hi the next time you’re in or near the GA line. Anyone come and say hi. I’m usually in something Buffalo Bills related and often have things I make to hand out to the PJ community. 

I thought that was you. You are awesome!! And, I agree with everything you have been saying. I have had so much fun camping out. I have met some incredible people like you. To me, it is part of the whole experience. Hope to see you on the rail this tour as well.

Go Animal

Also, whoever was making Swiftie style friendship bracelets at various shows last year? Bless your heart. Another bright spot.

With Ed & Jill at the Eras tour closer yesterday, the space between PJ and TS fandoms on a venn diagram becomes slimmer by the day 🫶

BF25394

I have no problem with people getting in line early, and I don't have any problem with people leaving the line to eat, use the bathroom, clean up, etc. Just don't abuse it. Don't set up a chair at 6 a.m. and then leave for several hours. I've seen people try that with other artists; I doubt it happens here. If people are in line for 22 out of 24 hours, I think they're in the right spirit. I also don't have a problem with someone waiting in line all day and then their plus-one joining them in line shortly before doors. Again, just don't abuse it. Do it for your plus-one, but not for any random person you know and like.

I'm always amazed at how the crowd spreads out once inside the arena. I've been behind a few hundred people in line and walked in and found the people are only two rows deep behind the rail. Even when I come in after doors have already opened, I end up maybe five people off the rail in center.

I don't understand people leaving early to get in line for the next show, but I loved it when two people did this at L.A. 1 this year because it created a spot on the rail that I could slide into and that allowed me to enjoy the last three songs with no one in front of me for the first time in 77 shows, and to turn down Eddie's bottle of wine and see the puzzled look on his face.

Anyway, more power to the people who wait in line. They have my best wishes. But if you try to charge through the pit to get up front after the show starts, don't try to come through me, because you shall not pass, and I will put the fear of God in you, as some guys in Vegas and L.A. learned this year before slinking off with their tails between their legs.

pjl44

Go Animal said:

pjl44 said:

Jokes aside, you have to self-police otherwise you do get lumped into the bad behavior, rightly or wrongly

I also get why they don't! Confrontation sucks. Especially when it involves your favorite band. Anxiety goes through the roof.

All things considered, even with all this drama, we're still more cordial with each other than Bruce fans (I would also say DMB, but I haven't been to one of their pits in years).

One thing's for certain: we're ALL nicer to each other than 311 fans 😤

Lemme tell ya...you would be shocked how many 311 shows I've been to and that crowd is too baked to notice anyone else is there

GW2553

I'm told Billy Strings has some "wonderful" people on the rail.