Same folks up front

nicknyr15

Chrrie said:

lastexitlondon said:

So nobody will name this person. Why?
If the person is at every show and people have spent 24 hrs with them in a line.
Why no name?

It’s honestly really obvious if you’ve been watching the fan to fan threads for the past couple tours 

Interesting 

More Coffee

pdalowsky said:

There's a distinct lack of positivity in this thread. 

I just wanna book some shows into my future. I'll happily stand on the roof.

Hi Paul!  I hope you get some shows next year!  I subscribe to your thinking as well.  
It would be great to see each other again at a show, even if it's in the way, way way back!

pjl44

Chrrie said:

lastexitlondon said:

So nobody will name this person. Why?
If the person is at every show and people have spent 24 hrs with them in a line.
Why no name?

It’s honestly really obvious if you’ve been watching the fan to fan threads for the past couple tours 

There was a name that popped immediately to mind and I've been curious to see if I'm right

nicknyr15

pjl44 said:

Chrrie said:

lastexitlondon said:

So nobody will name this person. Why?
If the person is at every show and people have spent 24 hrs with them in a line.
Why no name?

It’s honestly really obvious if you’ve been watching the fan to fan threads for the past couple tours 

There was a name that popped immediately to mind and I've been curious to see if I'm right

Same 

just_one

pdalowsky said:

There's a distinct lack of positivity in this thread. 

I just wanna book some shows into my future. I'll happily stand on the roof.

same here. i dont care where my seat is to be honest. i just wanna be in the building.

saw them in vienna is nosebleed seats and had a wonderful time with an amazing setlist.

GA is overrated

mace1229

KJ228171 said:

lastexitlondon said:

So nobody will name this person. Why?
If the person is at every show and people have spent 24 hrs with them in a line.
Why no name?

I get the feeling it’s TBA to allow for due process with 10C and management being judge and jury before the executioner is informed. 

Why would they be the judge and jury?
I don't think there's anything restricting members from buying tickets directly from TM and reselling them. Only restricts 10c tickets from resale above face value. 
It wouldn't be any different than someone flipping a poster they bought at the merch booth for hundreds on eBay.

I don't think the 10c would want the name public just because of the nature of the responses he'd get. A remember a couple years ago some newer poster kept griping about all the flippers for posters, and posted almost nonstop about how badly he wanted this one poster from the 2022 tour. When it finally dropped in the shop, he snagged one. Then he accidentally took a screenshot of his ebay profile for some reason and everyone saw he was flipping posters all along and the responses were pretty hilarious. But the mods shut the thread down, they don't want that sort of hatred here.

JimmyV

just_one said:

GA is overrated

This is true. We are excited for GA on night 2 but also just as excited for our not particularly close aisle seats on night 1. We'll walk in after the opening act both nights.

ekwipt

nicknyr15 said:

pjl44 said:

Chrrie said:

lastexitlondon said:

So nobody will name this person. Why?
If the person is at every show and people have spent 24 hrs with them in a line.
Why no name?

It’s honestly really obvious if you’ve been watching the fan to fan threads for the past couple tours 

There was a name that popped immediately to mind and I've been curious to see if I'm right

Same 

Not holding my breath for any meaningful repercussions. Their membership gets revoked and they continue buying and selling tickets at will. All they lose is the ability to use this forum. 

mace1229

Air23 said:

I do not understand how these fans can get GA tickets for every show after the shift to the new Ticketmaster system

I assume one of a few ways.
have the money to way over pay on the secondary market.
But most likely have a close group of friends and multiple accounts.
Those who are willing to spend an that much time in a line, you don't think are willing to pay the $40 for extra accounts and put in for multiple lotteries?
Then they look out for each other, if someone gets picked 2 or 3 times with their multiple accounts they bring each other. I don't have any inside info, but that's just what I've always assumed, it makes sense. They can have 5 or 6 accounts each and you don't have a bad chance of getting pit for multiple shows, especially if you're working with friend who are doing the same and bring each other.  

Hurls15

mace1229 said:

Air23 said:

I do not understand how these fans can get GA tickets for every show after the shift to the new Ticketmaster system

I assume one of a few ways.
have the money to way over pay on the secondary market.
But most likely have a close group of friends and multiple accounts.
Those who are willing to spend an that much time in a line, you don't think are willing to pay the $40 for extra accounts and put in for multiple lotteries?
Then they look out for each other, if someone gets picked 2 or 3 times with their multiple accounts they bring each other. I don't have any inside info, but that's just what I've always assumed, it makes sense. They can have 5 or 6 accounts each and you don't have a bad chance of getting pit for multiple shows, especially if you're working with friend who are doing the same and bring each other.  

The bigger concern would be if they are taking their non GA tickets and reselling them at higher values, with the funds from those sales of 10c tickets being used to purchase GA tix. 

DE4173

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Abe Froman

PJINFLA said:

Fortunately the tour ends Sunday and these folks will have to go back to their miserable lives.
Then they can spend their time operating and selling all of the merch they have been hoarding on Facebooks PJBAY and Ebay.

I do know this definitely occurs. There are some that fund their tours flipping merch. 

Leezestarr313

just_one said:

pdalowsky said:

There's a distinct lack of positivity in this thread. 

I just wanna book some shows into my future. I'll happily stand on the roof.

same here. i dont care where my seat is to be honest. i just wanna be in the building.

saw them in vienna is nosebleed seats and had a wonderful time with an amazing setlist.

GA is overrated

I think GA is amazing. It makes you feel like you are in a small venue but then you look behind you and there is this whole big place and all the people. It is a better concert experience, IMO. But it does not need to be rail, anywhere in the GA section is fine. My last time in GA was about 10 years ago lol I never got lucky again in the lottery.

enddem

JimmyV said:

just_one said:

GA is overrated

This is true. We are excited for GA on night 2 but also just as excited for our not particularly close aisle seats on night 1. We'll walk in after the opening act both nights.

Not the spirit of the thread, but would highly recommend you get in for the opener. Caught Teen Jesus and the Jean Teasers at Ohana and thought they were pretty damn good.

pdalowsky

More Coffee said:

pdalowsky said:

There's a distinct lack of positivity in this thread. 

I just wanna book some shows into my future. I'll happily stand on the roof.

Hi Paul!  I hope you get some shows next year!  I subscribe to your thinking as well.  
It would be great to see each other again at a show, even if it's in the way, way way back!

Hi Lew,  

I sincerely hope this happens. I would love nothing more. 

JimmyV

enddem said:

JimmyV said:

just_one said:

GA is overrated

This is true. We are excited for GA on night 2 but also just as excited for our not particularly close aisle seats on night 1. We'll walk in after the opening act both nights.

Not the spirit of the thread, but would highly recommend you get in for the opener. Caught Teen Jesus and the Jean Teasers at Ohana and thought they were pretty damn good.

Good to know, thanks!

JBob87

mace1229 said:

100 Pacer said:

@Chrrie fact-based summation was accurate and representative of the situation on the ground.

Where a misunderstanding has occurred or where situational awareness isn't shared by all parties on the ground generally speaking maturity and fairness prevail. I say generally speaking because while emotions are heightened sometimes people say or do silly or offensive things. We've all of us worked hard to afford ourselves the opportunity to see a show or perhaps even tour behind the band for several shows and both adrenaline and FOMO are at their high. The GA line isn't a "buck stops here" scenario but I would just say as @Chrrie noted there are two sides to every story.

There is negativity often directed at those who are dedicated in their efforts to line up extensively for GA. People will attack their lifestyle choices, their passion and level of dedication (or frankly lack thereof), people will hurl insults at those who choose to tour behind the band for multiple shows (and for multiple years) especially focused on their desire to be as close to the front of the GA line so as to afford the chance to be as close to the stage rail as possible. Regardless of your position on the matter every situation on the ground at every show can and will be different. Could one or two bad apples ruin it for the bunch? Naturally. As I noted with a good friend earlier: it's difficult to achieve a good reputation but it's easy to achieve a bad reputation. Judging from afar is often clouded by prejudice.

Having said that I understand, in my humble opinion, why the GA line exists in the matter that it does tour in and tour out. Some have suggested, on multiple occasions, that the band ought to revert to a random GA line: for example come 8am morning of show there are 150 concertgoers already in the GA line and numbered wristbands are handed out to them and anyone else who lines up after them and at 12:00pm venue security will hold a draw to pick out a number that forms the start of the line - if number 76 is drawn that number becomes the front of the line and is followed by 77, 78, and 79 etc until all numbers are exhausted and then number 1 joins the back of the line. Bruce Springsteen has adopted this method and many would like to see this band do the same.

The current GA model is favoured by the band because the GA crowd has proven itself capable of monitoring and policing itself as numerous occasions. As Ed has often asked from the mic, "police yourselves." I don't pretend to be a mind reader but I think it's safe to say for the majority of us serious collectors and dedicated touring ans seeing the band up close and personal is a highly prized event. So much so some can be overwhelmed by their own passion and fandom...with a small minority even taking things to an extreme. I would just say as follows: the band has a security list that is monitored for threats, I don't believe this is confidential information to state publicly, but I think we might take things for granted that perhaps the band still can't. 

Attending a concert of the band's involves walking through a metal detector but beyond that if someone were to cause an extremely uncomfortable situation upfront, even an unprovoked verbal assault, at the band I wouldn't think the band would immediately instruct their security to kick said person out. Ed has observed and evaluated a lot from the mic, and he's quickly able to determine the difference between an asshole and a drunk. The GA crowd is an established and proven community, so much so that crew and band personnel have formed friendships with many of them...a chance meeting years ago now leads to meeting up at the GA floor to share photos of their kids and home improvements. You might not agree with the breakdown of informal conduct that occurs in lining up but the friendships and camaraderie that have developed is endorsed by the band.

There exists the opportunity for anyone and everyone to participate. The GA crowd at the front of the lines are often the scapegoats and that's easy to do behind a keyboard here or on the Facebook. I will say what I've noticed this leg, in 2025, that I didn't notice so much while touring behind the band in 2005, for example, is the prevalence of the Me vs We mentality. This I think is the bigger take away here.

I'll cite some examples.

At the recent Hollywood shows the GA and merch lines were subject to some unique circumstances. A casino after all is happy to host concerts at their venue onsite but generally speaking don't care much for obsessed fans roaming and establishing hundreds-long lines on the premises that impact otherwise harmonious operations. I'll get right to the gist of it: a merch line was established at a specific casino security-sanctioned zone during the early hours of the first Hollywood show and a crowd of 50-75 had lined up peacefully and happily to wait it out from very early morning. A general email had gone out advising of no lineups prior to a certain time for merch, and I'm not here to debate this position: the band's merch manager's job is to conduct a safe and secure sale on the ground. This can only be accomplished when fans line up in an orderly fashion. Said merch manager only recognizes one line. Roughly 15 minutes prior to the official start time for the merch line an older woman and her husband arrives on site, walked up and across from the established line to create their own alternate line. This couple's reasoning: ''I don't know what all you people are here for but the email said no line prior to X and I'm here at X and thus I'm at the front of the line." Again, my opinion or interpretation as compared to your opinion and interpretation of her behaviour and logic aside: the band's merch manager was advised of the situation and his thought process is very simple - in this situation he had no intention or arguing with anyone but he was simply going to deny this woman and her husband service.  No shouting or fighting or cursing involved. Take it or leave it and it was on her...she ultimately left her alternate front of the line and joined the proper line at her spot.

Separately the Hollywood merch line was in a specific zone of the casino that was next to an area closed off to those not staying at the hotel property. This closed off zone was made up of some hallways which lead to the ballroom where the merch sale was to occur. Some of our fellow fans who happened to be staying at the hotel property, and I'd say it was roughly 5-10 of them, decided since they had access to circumvent security and walk up right to the ballroom entrance they'd now form the basis for what would become the merch line. Worth noting the email mentioning the approved location for the merch line did not specify this: this small group of people splintered off to do what was best for them and ignored the line which they knew had formed elsewhere. To quote one of these people "I paid a lot of money to stay here and I am entitled to line up where I want." LIke with the older couple mentioned prior the merch line crowd attempted to reason with these people, to everyone's benefit so casino security wouldn't get fed up with any arguments and toss everyone out, but to no avail. Once again the band's merch manager was advised and he proceeded to advise casino security who promptly removed this alternate ballroom line.

I'm going to go even further and share a story I had recently heard, which frankly goes against my better judgment, but I will anyway. Those fans who have spent time invested on the F2F exchange looking for tickets this current leg or several past legs since its' inception will attest to the incredibly challenging experience it's been this leg to secure tickets as compared to years past. This isn't a discussion about supply vs demand, amount of shows played, etc. more so a general understanding whereas in 2022 many more fans successfully lined up various timed drops or quick refreshes to attain tickets currently in 2025 prized reserved and GA tickets are immediately popping on scalper sites moments after being listed. What's been discovered, through fact based discussions and fairly blatant evidence, is that in addition to any scalpers currently hoarding inventory a member of the 10C community, one who is well known on the forum, one who regularly attends shows, one who has been there on the F2F exchange along with the rest of us has some unique advantages: said fan saw the chance to profit and went about to acquire a broker's license in addition to utilizing a bot to secure PJ tickets off F2F in order to immediately direct them onto scalper sites. It's not up for debate: the evidence was gathered by good, intelligent people and passed onto 10C and band management. This is first come first serve, this is capitalism, this is whatever you want to call it and I'm not going to dispute your take and input.

But these examples and others...it's all at the heart of it a Me vs We mentality. And these examples of the Me vs We mentality are the opposite of what I've seen occur at the GA lines by those who are attacked and bashed and mocked and ridiculed for choosing to line up very early. We don't like the drunk Even Bro forcing his way up front at the perfectly timed moment for a chance at the tambo pushing anyone and everyone aside including those who have earned their spot. We bash those who have earned their spot while someone else could have done so.

Forest for the trees. That's all I want to say.

The Hollywood examples are part of whats actually wrong though. The "band" will announce no pre-line ups. So those that don't know any better, will read that and think it actually means no pre lines. They'll go about their business, hangout in the casino or whatever, then when the time comes walk up to the merch line only to be told to go to the back because they weren't waiting in the non-existent pre-line. 

I understand your point that they need to do something like that to maintain order. But then make that information available to everyone. Don't post one thing, then punish those who followed the rules. 

100%. Amazes me that people are so dense, or just in too deep, where they are are justifying their own super secret club rules as being the ahhhktual correct protocol instead of the published rules coming from the band/10c themselves. 

mace1229

Hurls15 said:

mace1229 said:

Air23 said:

I do not understand how these fans can get GA tickets for every show after the shift to the new Ticketmaster system

I assume one of a few ways.
have the money to way over pay on the secondary market.
But most likely have a close group of friends and multiple accounts.
Those who are willing to spend an that much time in a line, you don't think are willing to pay the $40 for extra accounts and put in for multiple lotteries?
Then they look out for each other, if someone gets picked 2 or 3 times with their multiple accounts they bring each other. I don't have any inside info, but that's just what I've always assumed, it makes sense. They can have 5 or 6 accounts each and you don't have a bad chance of getting pit for multiple shows, especially if you're working with friend who are doing the same and bring each other.  

The bigger concern would be if they are taking their non GA tickets and reselling them at higher values, with the funds from those sales of 10c tickets being used to purchase GA tix. 

I'm sure there's ways around it, but seems more difficult with the non transferrable tickets to get that high value. Seems more likely they just have the money to not care what it costs, or just have 5 or 6 memberships to all but guarantee pit.

bootlegger10

I've learned that this group of "front liners" are an extension of PJ security.  We should be thanking these people for their sacrifice, just like medical personnel in 2020-2022, and military folks in harms way.  

Personally, I could see where the band likes having the same folks in the front every night as if I were security, I would like to keep an eye on people that seem to want more of a relationship with the band than the average person (which for 99.9% is no relationship).  So they have let the system be as it is so all of those people are together in the front.  

RE4790

bootlegger10 said:

I've learned that this group of "front liners" are an extension of PJ security.  We should be thanking these people for their sacrifice, just like medical personnel in 2020-2022, and military folks in harms way.  

Personally, I could see where the band likes having the same folks in the front every night as if I were security, I would like to keep an eye on people that seem to want more of a relationship with the band than the average person (which for 99.9% is no relationship).  So they have let the system be as it is so all of those people are together in the front.  

nah