2024 US Election - Predictions

Spiritual_Chaos

tbergs

cincybearcat said:

Merkin Baller said:

cincybearcat said:

So it's the lowest vs the rest of the Biden years....not a great bar to jump.

The point still stands. 

Yes that it was a question specifically picked to ignore the issue and make it seem like it is better than it is and trick Dems and Reps when they answered it.  I agree, point still stands.  

Seriously, if trump was president over the last 4 years and these were his #'s and this question was asked, I feel more people on this forum would be calling out how dumb a question it is.  

Did you see that immigration video from the NYT I posted the other day? Breaks down the behind the scenes things Biden and Harris were trying to do for years. Once again, messaging wasn't great, but people also don't seem to have time to delve into real issues more than just someone showing a chart and saying see, border bad, nothing is being done. 

Merkin Baller

cincybearcat said:

Merkin Baller said:

cincybearcat said:

So it's the lowest vs the rest of the Biden years....not a great bar to jump.

The point still stands. 

Yes that it was a question specifically picked to ignore the issue and make it seem like it is better than it is and trick Dems and Reps when they answered it.  I agree, point still stands.  

Seriously, if trump was president over the last 4 years and these were his #'s and this question was asked, I feel more people on this forum would be calling out how dumb a question it is.  

It’s not a dumb question at all, it’s based on an objective fact,  unauthorized crossings are down from where they were a few years ago.

The point about misinformation’s role in this election still stands. 

No one’s suggesting immigration isn’t a problem that needs to be fixed. Looking forward, I hope the new administration comes up with a sensible and humane solution. (Edit: I don’t have faith that they will, but I’m trying to be positive)

Gern Blansten

Merkin Baller said:

As I alluded yesterday, misinformation played a huge role in this election. I don’t know that there’s any amount of democrat messaging that can combat this. 

It's really scary. trump has shown us twice that you can just lie your way in 

nicknyr15

Spiritual_Chaos said:

So it’s all Bidens fault? That’s what I’m getting from that quote. He’s gonna be the fall guy for this? 

mrussel1

nicknyr15 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

So it’s all Bidens fault? That’s what I’m getting from that quote. He’s gonna be the fall guy for this? 

Of course he is.  

I have no idea whose fault it is.. it's certainly not one person's.  But one thing I do believe is that D's should step aside and let Republicans do what they wish.  That's what the country voted for, let them have it.  Can't get agreement on the budget, fuck you.  Let the gov't shut down.  Abortion rights going out in a state or fed?  Fuck you, let it happen.  Too many times over the last several years the D's have been the responsible party, doing what was necessary and right by partnering with the sober Republicans to keep the country on track and the voters said "no thanks".  So let them have it.  I'll be fine.  

ComeToTX

Gern Blansten said:

Merkin Baller said:

As I alluded yesterday, misinformation played a huge role in this election. I don’t know that there’s any amount of democrat messaging that can combat this. 

It's really scary. trump has shown us twice that you can just lie your way in 

He’s also unique as a politician that his base gives him blind loyalty. He followed through on very few of his promises in his first term but to them he did everything. His two biggest promises were building a wall that Mexico would pay for and repealing Obamacare. 0-2 and they couldn’t care less. 

HughFreakingDillon

mrussel1 said:

nicknyr15 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

So it’s all Bidens fault? That’s what I’m getting from that quote. He’s gonna be the fall guy for this? 

Of course he is.  

I have no idea whose fault it is.. it's certainly not one person's.  But one thing I do believe is that D's should step aside and let Republicans do what they wish.  That's what the country voted for, let them have it.  Can't get agreement on the budget, fuck you.  Let the gov't shut down.  Abortion rights going out in a state or fed?  Fuck you, let it happen.  Too many times over the last several years the D's have been the responsible party, doing what was necessary and right by partnering with the sober Republicans to keep the country on track and the voters said "no thanks".  So let them have it.  I'll be fine.  

I agree 100 fucking percent. The democrats are the ones expected to be the adults in the room and clean up the mess every time, no matter who's it is. Fuck it. Let them do it, and reap what they sow. 

Choccoloccotide

Update on how things are going.  

Things that have happened since Donald Trump won. 1. Putin said he wants to negotiate 2. HAMAS wants to end the war in GAZA 3. A caravan of migrants on their way to America turned around 4.

@RobertKennedyJr

announced a complete restructuring of

@US_FDA

5.

@RepThomasMassie

for Ag 6. The stock market is BOOMING 7. Trump declares war in the Deep State & Left Wing Censorship Machine 8. Announced Susie Wiles as COS

nicknyr15

Stock market has been booming and until any of those things actually happen, it means nothing. Lets be real 

Gern Blansten

mrussel1 said:

nicknyr15 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

So it’s all Bidens fault? That’s what I’m getting from that quote. He’s gonna be the fall guy for this? 

Of course he is.  

I have no idea whose fault it is.. it's certainly not one person's.  But one thing I do believe is that D's should step aside and let Republicans do what they wish.  That's what the country voted for, let them have it.  Can't get agreement on the budget, fuck you.  Let the gov't shut down.  Abortion rights going out in a state or fed?  Fuck you, let it happen.  Too many times over the last several years the D's have been the responsible party, doing what was necessary and right by partnering with the sober Republicans to keep the country on track and the voters said "no thanks".  So let them have it.  I'll be fine.  

Agreed... You asked for it you got it. The dems get blamed worse when they try to help. 

Gern Blansten

HughFreakingDillon said:

mrussel1 said:

nicknyr15 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

So it’s all Bidens fault? That’s what I’m getting from that quote. He’s gonna be the fall guy for this? 

Of course he is.  

I have no idea whose fault it is.. it's certainly not one person's.  But one thing I do believe is that D's should step aside and let Republicans do what they wish.  That's what the country voted for, let them have it.  Can't get agreement on the budget, fuck you.  Let the gov't shut down.  Abortion rights going out in a state or fed?  Fuck you, let it happen.  Too many times over the last several years the D's have been the responsible party, doing what was necessary and right by partnering with the sober Republicans to keep the country on track and the voters said "no thanks".  So let them have it.  I'll be fine.  

I agree 100 fucking percent. The democrats are the ones expected to be the adults in the room and clean up the mess every time, no matter who's it is. Fuck it. Let them do it, and reap what they sow. 

Exactly. It's like the media wanting Harris to explain how she will lower grocery prices but they don't question how trump is going to cut energy bills in half. 

HughFreakingDillon

the caravan turned around! AHAHAHAHAHA THAT'S THE FUNNIEST SHIT I'VE EVER READ. YOU IDIOTS WILL BELIEVE ANYTHING

Merkin Baller

HughFreakingDillon said:

the caravan turned around! AHAHAHAHAHA THAT'S THE FUNNIEST SHIT I'VE EVER READ. YOU IDIOTS WILL BELIEVE ANYTHING

For real. 

FiveBelow

tbergs said:

cincybearcat said:

Merkin Baller said:

cincybearcat said:

So it's the lowest vs the rest of the Biden years....not a great bar to jump.

The point still stands. 

Yes that it was a question specifically picked to ignore the issue and make it seem like it is better than it is and trick Dems and Reps when they answered it.  I agree, point still stands.  

Seriously, if trump was president over the last 4 years and these were his #'s and this question was asked, I feel more people on this forum would be calling out how dumb a question it is.  

Did you see that immigration video from the NYT I posted the other day? Breaks down the behind the scenes things Biden and Harris were trying to do for years. Once again, messaging wasn't great, but people also don't seem to have time to delve into real issues more than just someone showing a chart and saying see, border bad, nothing is being done. 

That is quite the understatement. The messaging for almost 3 years was "the border is secure". Then the messaging (after the idiots on the right blocked the bill) was "we have done all we can do". Biden's 11th hour EO proved otherwise. These are examples of the president misinforming the public. The video paints a picture of the Biden admin orchestrating some master plan behind the scenes (which they very well may have), but their messaging did not in any way lay it out like that when pressed on the issue. It's also important to remember the video is an opinion piece, albeit a clever one, and one I'm sure the Biden admin wishes they could have come up with.

Go Beavers

mace1229 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

tbergs said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Hobbes said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Force Of Nature said:

bootlegger10 said:

So 2-3% of people that voted for Biden now vote for Trump and it is racist and misogynistic that Kamala lost?  I could see if 30% of the people that voted for Biden switched to Kamala.

Trump won because people thought he would do better with the economy, would better control illegal immigration, and would slow the advance of ultra woke policies.  

Those are your reasons that Trump won.   Sure, Trump may be terrible at those things, but people vote on their perceptions of reality.  So Dems need to stop saying they lose because of racism and misogyny, and work harder to convince voters that they are better in these areas.

As someone in the UK who isn't close to US policies,  what's are examples of 'ultra woke policies'?  Just curious.

DEi and CRT.  Diversity Equity and Inclusion, Critical Race Theory.

One is a conceptual framework and the other is an academic field. Neither are policies. Try again.

I am not sure what your point is on DEI. it is not a conceptual framework. It is common policy for many of the large American corporations, and many of us have been hurt significantly by it. it is one of the things as a Democrat the troubles me about my party

I think the people who worry about it the most, have no idea what it is. Where I work, our "client" base is 60% diverse, but the staff make-up is less than 15% diverse. DEI isn't taking jobs from white men and handing them to less qualified candidates, it's creating initiatives to reach often overlooked and under represented populations to expand the applicant pool. I've never once been forced to hire a diverse candidate over a more qualified and better experienced non diverse candidate. I have had to repost because our pool was shit, but DEI isn't forcing me to hire someone. If that's happening where you work, that's wrong and wouldn't be a place I would continue working at.

I think the heart of the issue is that we (as a society) are more inclined to hire someone who looks like us and is someone we can relate to because it makes us feel comfortable. It's an ingrained unconscious bias. The right wants to call people "woke" who recognize this unconscious bias because it means accepting some level of responsibility to why race and gender issues still exist at the level they do. I think acknowledging them is the first step towards finding a solution and actively trying to make a change. 

When you are near Eddie vedder's age, you have very very very very little choice where you work 

As things stand now  100% DEI has  potential to take away my job in favor of diverse candidates who are absolutely less qualified than I am, who have zero of the specialized skills that I have.

 But my company does not give a crap. They have their affirmative action targets and have said publicly many times including in earnings releases that they are behind schedule in DEI numbers. Many many publicly traded companies have these policies and speak of them publicly.

 A vice president in the company overruled the consultants when they were doing the reorganization for my spot in favor of 2 diverse candidates with none of the specialized skills that my group requires.

My boss has been fighting it for 2 years and next year he may lose. So your analysis about  DEI is incorrect

Edit
Two other white men who have been with the company for decades around 60 years old have already been forced to retire and replaced with Dei favorable people


 

I have been in 2 different districts where the upper admin or HR reps openly state they hire minorities over white candidates. If they can get a minority to apply for a teaching position and is qualified, they're hired. 

Were they aware that’s illegal? 

Gern Blansten

Choccoloccotide said:

Update on how things are going.  

Things that have happened since Donald Trump won. 1. Putin said he wants to negotiate 2. HAMAS wants to end the war in GAZA 3. A caravan of migrants on their way to America turned around 4.

@RobertKennedyJr

announced a complete restructuring of

@US_FDA

5.

@RepThomasMassie

for Ag 6. The stock market is BOOMING 7. Trump declares war in the Deep State & Left Wing Censorship Machine 8. Announced Susie Wiles as COS

Perfect example of believing tiktok bullshit... Hamas lol

Choccoloccotide

Gern Blansten said:

Choccoloccotide said:

Update on how things are going.  

Things that have happened since Donald Trump won. 1. Putin said he wants to negotiate 2. HAMAS wants to end the war in GAZA 3. A caravan of migrants on their way to America turned around 4.

@RobertKennedyJr

announced a complete restructuring of

@US_FDA

5.

@RepThomasMassie

for Ag 6. The stock market is BOOMING 7. Trump declares war in the Deep State & Left Wing Censorship Machine 8. Announced Susie Wiles as COS

Perfect example of believing tiktok bullshit... Hamas lol

I don’t use the CCP controlled app TikTok.

mookieblalock

Caravan turning around LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!

OnWis97

HughFreakingDillon said:

the caravan turned around! AHAHAHAHAHA THAT'S THE FUNNIEST SHIT I'VE EVER READ. YOU IDIOTS WILL BELIEVE ANYTHING

No caravan wants to deal with a bad hombre.