2024 US Election - Predictions

Spiritual_Chaos

HughFreakingDillon said:

shadowcast said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

shadowcast said:

Go Beavers said:

shadowcast said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

shadowcast said:

The results of this past election is nothing short of a massive political realignment. The Left needs to take a long hard look at themselves and do some self reflecting. They went from the party of tolerance to the party of intolerance. From peace and love to War hawks. 

I'm ok with not tolerating racism and bigotry. 

Who was racist? If you say Trump why did he gain in the Latino vote and didn't lose any of the black vote? Also Dearborn Michigan which has a high population if not the highest of Muslims voted Red and flipped the state. Sounds like someone has been misinformed. Stop listening to MSNBC. Take your blinders off. 

So you think minorities can’t be racist? And does any amount of minority vote Trump got magically eliminate things he’s said and done? 

What exactly did he say and do? Just becasue you got offended by a comment he said doesn't mean someone of color did. The comments he made obviously didn't effect his status with minorities as they showed up for him in record numbers. 

"poisoning the blood of our country"

Full quote. Below

"Nobody has any idea where these people are coming from, and we know they come from prisons. We know they come from mental institutions [and] insane asylums. We know they're terrorists. Nobody has ever seen anything like we're witnessing right now. It is a very sad thing for our country. It's poisoning the blood of our country. It's so bad, and people are coming in with disease. People are coming in with every possible thing that you could have."

yeah, haha, how does the full quote make it better? it doesn't. it's dog whistling language for nazis and racists, dude. come on. it's right out of the hitler playbook. You can't be this daft. 

he is a critical thinker who was once a gen x democrat

HughFreakingDillon

GlowGirl said:

shadowcast said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

shadowcast said:

Go Beavers said:

shadowcast said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

shadowcast said:

The results of this past election is nothing short of a massive political realignment. The Left needs to take a long hard look at themselves and do some self reflecting. They went from the party of tolerance to the party of intolerance. From peace and love to War hawks. 

I'm ok with not tolerating racism and bigotry. 

Who was racist? If you say Trump why did he gain in the Latino vote and didn't lose any of the black vote? Also Dearborn Michigan which has a high population if not the highest of Muslims voted Red and flipped the state. Sounds like someone has been misinformed. Stop listening to MSNBC. Take your blinders off. 

So you think minorities can’t be racist? And does any amount of minority vote Trump got magically eliminate things he’s said and done? 

What exactly did he say and do? Just becasue you got offended by a comment he said doesn't mean someone of color did. The comments he made obviously didn't effect his status with minorities as they showed up for him in record numbers. 

"poisoning the blood of our country"

Full quote. Below

"Nobody has any idea where these people are coming from, and we know they come from prisons. We know they come from mental institutions [and] insane asylums. We know they're terrorists. Nobody has ever seen anything like we're witnessing right now. It is a very sad thing for our country. It's poisoning the blood of our country. It's so bad, and people are coming in with disease. People are coming in with every possible thing that you could have."

Is that quote from Trump or Hitler. When I was in Berlin this summer I went to an exhibit about Nazi Germany. This looks like some of the quotes they had in the exhibit. So, I am seriously asking.

it was trump. 

FiveBelow

Spiritual_Chaos said:

shadowcast said:

The results of this past election is nothing short of a massive political realignment. The Left needs to take a long hard look at themselves and do some self reflecting. They went from the party of tolerance to the party of intolerance. From peace and love to War hawks. 

So you think Russia should get to plow through Ukraine without the US backing up Ukraine in any way?

Got any snus recommendations? Almost time to put in another order

GlowGirl

HughFreakingDillon said:

GlowGirl said:

shadowcast said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

shadowcast said:

Go Beavers said:

shadowcast said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

shadowcast said:

The results of this past election is nothing short of a massive political realignment. The Left needs to take a long hard look at themselves and do some self reflecting. They went from the party of tolerance to the party of intolerance. From peace and love to War hawks. 

I'm ok with not tolerating racism and bigotry. 

Who was racist? If you say Trump why did he gain in the Latino vote and didn't lose any of the black vote? Also Dearborn Michigan which has a high population if not the highest of Muslims voted Red and flipped the state. Sounds like someone has been misinformed. Stop listening to MSNBC. Take your blinders off. 

So you think minorities can’t be racist? And does any amount of minority vote Trump got magically eliminate things he’s said and done? 

What exactly did he say and do? Just becasue you got offended by a comment he said doesn't mean someone of color did. The comments he made obviously didn't effect his status with minorities as they showed up for him in record numbers. 

"poisoning the blood of our country"

Full quote. Below

"Nobody has any idea where these people are coming from, and we know they come from prisons. We know they come from mental institutions [and] insane asylums. We know they're terrorists. Nobody has ever seen anything like we're witnessing right now. It is a very sad thing for our country. It's poisoning the blood of our country. It's so bad, and people are coming in with disease. People are coming in with every possible thing that you could have."

Is that quote from Trump or Hitler. When I was in Berlin this summer I went to an exhibit about Nazi Germany. This looks like some of the quotes they had in the exhibit. So, I am seriously asking.

it was trump. 

Yeah. I figured. Same type of hyberbole. So disgusting.

Spiritual_Chaos

FiveBelow said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

shadowcast said:

The results of this past election is nothing short of a massive political realignment. The Left needs to take a long hard look at themselves and do some self reflecting. They went from the party of tolerance to the party of intolerance. From peace and love to War hawks. 

So you think Russia should get to plow through Ukraine without the US backing up Ukraine in any way?

Got any snus recommendations? Almost time to put in another order

Hah. Isnt i betamaleish in the US to use the ”white” ones and not the real snus?



(Live in Göteborg btw)

FiveBelow

Spiritual_Chaos said:

FiveBelow said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

shadowcast said:

The results of this past election is nothing short of a massive political realignment. The Left needs to take a long hard look at themselves and do some self reflecting. They went from the party of tolerance to the party of intolerance. From peace and love to War hawks. 

So you think Russia should get to plow through Ukraine without the US backing up Ukraine in any way?

Got any snus recommendations? Almost time to put in another order

Hah. Isnt i betamaleish in the US to use the ”white” ones and not the real snus?



(Live in Göteborg btw)

Maybe, but I don’t personally know anyone else who uses snus. I’ve tried all kinds (except the type you snort) over the years and have found I prefer the slower drip of the vit portion. Goteborgs has been my favorite for a while now, but I like to throw in a few cans I’ve never tried when ordering.

Halifax2TheMax

tbergs said:

Gern Blansten said:

shadowcast said:

tbergs said:

mrussel1 said:

shadowcast said:

Who would have thought that the people rejected the war mongering NEOCONS that the Democratic party has become. Not to mention all the COVID bullshit the left put us through. The left has become everything I was brought up to hate in the 90's. Gen X spoke in this election. 

Checking to see which war the NEOCON D's started.  As far as I can tell, it's still only GOP led admin that started NEOCON wars.  

I more think it's funny how the GOP has literally exited very principle they held for 70 years, other than cultural conservatism.  And even that one is just cynical.  Trump is absolutely pro-choice.  

My perception of these comments by conservatives is the aid we are providing to Ukraine and Israel in their wars. I fully expect Trump to abandon Ukraine, but he will for sure continue support for Israel and let Netanyahu do what he wants. I'll be waiting with bated breath for the conservative justification for this.

Anyway, this is why I hated the Cheney endorsements and courting of Liz with Harris. It was clear those voting for Trump took that as the dems being the new war hawks. Based on the comments I keep seeing about lifelong dems finally embracing Trump, I think a lot of that is due to Ukraine and Israel support, even though we don't have troops on the ground, we are involved as a proxy. They don't want us involved at all. No matter the consequence of Russian control and steamrolling Ukraine or Israel slaughtering Palestinians to achieve their goals. Trump and his supporters are nationalists and it will be horrifying to see it play out.

Edit: I'd like to add that this is why I'm pissed. There were missteps in the Harris campaign on how concerns like these could have been addressed, but the lack of commitment to what that meant allowed people to flop on the Trump bandwagon of grievances and despair. It's insane that people chose a dictator with their protest vote though. 

tbergs said:

My perception of these comments by conservatives is the aid we are providing to Ukraine and Israel in their wars. I fully expect Trump to abandon Ukraine, but he will for sure continue support for Israel and let Netanyahu do what he wants. I'll be waiting with bated breath for the conservative justification for this.

Anyway, this is why I hated the Cheney endorsements and courting of Liz with Harris. It was clear those voting for Trump took that as the dems being the new war hawks. Based on the comments I keep seeing about lifelong dems finally embracing Trump, I think a lot of that is due to Ukraine and Israel support, even though we don't have troops on the ground, we are involved as a proxy. They don't want us involved at all. No matter the consequence of Russian control and steamrolling Ukraine or Israel slaughtering Palestinians to achieve their goals. Trump and his supporters are nationalists and it will be horrifying to see it play out.

Edit: I'd like to add that this is why I'm pissed. There were missteps in the Harris campaign on how concerns like these could have been addressed, but the lack of commitment to what that meant allowed people to flop on the Trump bandwagon of grievances and despair. It's insane that people chose a dictator with their protest vote though. 

Pretty much nailed it for me to vote Trump. A lot of other Gen X Dems were on the same page. 

so why? Because we support Ukraine over Russia and you don't like that? That we support Israel and trump does as well...and you don't like that?

You can call yourself a "Gen X Dem" but no one believes you. That's ridiculous.

I believe it because I know people saying the same things. I don't think the party took it seriously enough and assumed people wouldn't vote for a dictator, but they did. The rumblings have been there. I voiced my displeasure with the Cheney endorsements here and people were like, we'll take anybody we can get. That was as stupid as Trump not denouncing his white supremacist supporters. I'm just not that self absorbed or ignorant to let that one endorsement affect my vote for an insane far right wet dream of an administration.

Bingo.

Halifax2TheMax

mrussel1 said:

pjl44 said:

This seems directionally correct to me but will certainly send leftists screeching 

Other than points 1 and 2 (to a limited extent), there is not one point in here that should be subject to legislation or the political process.  These are all social issues and for the gov't to put their thumb on any of them is violation of personal freedoms.  

I am neither leftist or screeching.  I just have this strange habit of critical thinking.  None of these make sense as a platform for a political party.  But if you can think of a law that ensures that "academics and non profit staffers do not occupy a unique position of virtue" without violating the Constitution, I'd love to hear it.  

Not one of those things can be turned into a policy, never mind legislation and implemented. Unless you’re all in on authoritarianism.

Lerxst1992

tbergs said:

Lerxst1992 said:

tbergs said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Hobbes said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Force Of Nature said:

bootlegger10 said:

So 2-3% of people that voted for Biden now vote for Trump and it is racist and misogynistic that Kamala lost?  I could see if 30% of the people that voted for Biden switched to Kamala.

Trump won because people thought he would do better with the economy, would better control illegal immigration, and would slow the advance of ultra woke policies.  

Those are your reasons that Trump won.   Sure, Trump may be terrible at those things, but people vote on their perceptions of reality.  So Dems need to stop saying they lose because of racism and misogyny, and work harder to convince voters that they are better in these areas.

As someone in the UK who isn't close to US policies,  what's are examples of 'ultra woke policies'?  Just curious.

DEi and CRT.  Diversity Equity and Inclusion, Critical Race Theory.

One is a conceptual framework and the other is an academic field. Neither are policies. Try again.

I am not sure what your point is on DEI. it is not a conceptual framework. It is common policy for many of the large American corporations, and many of us have been hurt significantly by it. it is one of the things as a Democrat the troubles me about my party

I think the people who worry about it the most, have no idea what it is. Where I work, our "client" base is 60% diverse, but the staff make-up is less than 15% diverse. DEI isn't taking jobs from white men and handing them to less qualified candidates, it's creating initiatives to reach often overlooked and under represented populations to expand the applicant pool. I've never once been forced to hire a diverse candidate over a more qualified and better experienced non diverse candidate. I have had to repost because our pool was shit, but DEI isn't forcing me to hire someone. If that's happening where you work, that's wrong and wouldn't be a place I would continue working at.

I think the heart of the issue is that we (as a society) are more inclined to hire someone who looks like us and is someone we can relate to because it makes us feel comfortable. It's an ingrained unconscious bias. The right wants to call people "woke" who recognize this unconscious bias because it means accepting some level of responsibility to why race and gender issues still exist at the level they do. I think acknowledging them is the first step towards finding a solution and actively trying to make a change. 

When you are near Eddie vedder's age, you have very very very very little choice where you work 

As things stand now  100% DEI has  potential to take away my job in favor of diverse candidates who are absolutely less qualified than I am, who have zero of the specialized skills that I have.

 But my company does not give a crap. They have their affirmative action targets and have said publicly many times including in earnings releases that they are behind schedule in DEI numbers. Many many publicly traded companies have these policies and speak of them publicly.

 A vice president in the company overruled the consultants when they were doing the reorganization for my spot in favor of 2 diverse candidates with none of the specialized skills that my group requires.

My boss has been fighting it for 2 years and next year he may lose. So your analysis about  DEI is incorrect

Edit
Two other white men who have been with the company for decades around 60 years old have already been forced to retire and replaced with Dei favorable people


 

Sorry to hear that. Sounds like bad leadership where you work and people who don't really understand what DEI is about or are using it to eliminate higher salary staff in the guise of DEI. Does it seem that salaries/benefits/incentives are being offered at lower rates with the DEI positions?

We are also all unionized where I work so that may be the difference in how things are playing out. 

Thanks. You may be right about salary, but it would be stupid of them if so because the official excuse my vice president gave me in front of HR was that it was related to the Consultants assessment of skill. They could have simply said it was budget related and I would have zero potential claim against them

 subsequently they moved in 2 people with zero of the specialized skills. Since they have made many public comments about workforce diversity and have brought in 2 diversity people into my group after  removing me from an official position they clearly have exposed themselves. But as you likely know EEOC limits actions that we can take against our employers.

 At this point if my boss is unable to work any more magic for me and I'm forced to retire next year, I'll be 60 years old (UGH!)  and it just makes sense to take the pay out and go away peacefully as aggravating and as unfair as my situation is.

But they are overwhelmingly bombarding us with diversity Communications endlessly. It was nauseating before I was in this pickle

Lerxst1992

shadowcast said:

Go Beavers said:

shadowcast said:

Go Beavers said:

shadowcast said:

The results of this past election is nothing short of a massive political realignment. The Left needs to take a long hard look at themselves and do some self reflecting. They went from the party of tolerance to the party of intolerance. From peace and love to War hawks. 

Do you reply back to anyone?

What's your point and yes I do. 

I asked because I didn’t know. And in 2016 amt went through a short period of magas coming in here to strut around and be jagoffs until they got banned. 

Seen PJ 50x (50th show this year at Wrigley 2). Long time Club member. I bounce in and out every once in a while. I am not MAGA. I don't have to like every waking thing about a candidate. No wars, no new taxes, Fuck BIG Pharma. They are also poisoning our food with all the shit and dyes companies like Kellogg dump in them. Think with a critical mind. 

Congratulations on 50 shows, that is awesome! As far as a massive political realignment I think you are off base.

As you know the Republican Party have extremely loyal voters. They sign up for the GOP and they are in for life.

As you also probably know the Democratic party is much much different. It's a diverse coalition. And as I think you probably have read this week  Democrats lost about a quarter of their Latino support.

 That's the exact amount of the vote they lost. We can go through the cross tabs state by state and that's what we will find. 2% in three states was the margin of victory

  that is exactly what happened in this election. A quarter of the Latino vote bought the goods that Mr 47 sold them. 

tempo_n_groove

Lerxst1992 said:

tbergs said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Hobbes said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Force Of Nature said:

bootlegger10 said:

So 2-3% of people that voted for Biden now vote for Trump and it is racist and misogynistic that Kamala lost?  I could see if 30% of the people that voted for Biden switched to Kamala.

Trump won because people thought he would do better with the economy, would better control illegal immigration, and would slow the advance of ultra woke policies.  

Those are your reasons that Trump won.   Sure, Trump may be terrible at those things, but people vote on their perceptions of reality.  So Dems need to stop saying they lose because of racism and misogyny, and work harder to convince voters that they are better in these areas.

As someone in the UK who isn't close to US policies,  what's are examples of 'ultra woke policies'?  Just curious.

DEi and CRT.  Diversity Equity and Inclusion, Critical Race Theory.

One is a conceptual framework and the other is an academic field. Neither are policies. Try again.

I am not sure what your point is on DEI. it is not a conceptual framework. It is common policy for many of the large American corporations, and many of us have been hurt significantly by it. it is one of the things as a Democrat the troubles me about my party

I think the people who worry about it the most, have no idea what it is. Where I work, our "client" base is 60% diverse, but the staff make-up is less than 15% diverse. DEI isn't taking jobs from white men and handing them to less qualified candidates, it's creating initiatives to reach often overlooked and under represented populations to expand the applicant pool. I've never once been forced to hire a diverse candidate over a more qualified and better experienced non diverse candidate. I have had to repost because our pool was shit, but DEI isn't forcing me to hire someone. If that's happening where you work, that's wrong and wouldn't be a place I would continue working at.

I think the heart of the issue is that we (as a society) are more inclined to hire someone who looks like us and is someone we can relate to because it makes us feel comfortable. It's an ingrained unconscious bias. The right wants to call people "woke" who recognize this unconscious bias because it means accepting some level of responsibility to why race and gender issues still exist at the level they do. I think acknowledging them is the first step towards finding a solution and actively trying to make a change. 

When you are near Eddie vedder's age, you have very very very very little choice where you work 

As things stand now  100% DEI has  potential to take away my job in favor of diverse candidates who are absolutely less qualified than I am, who have zero of the specialized skills that I have.

 But my company does not give a crap. They have their affirmative action targets and have said publicly many times including in earnings releases that they are behind schedule in DEI numbers. Many many publicly traded companies have these policies and speak of them publicly.

 A vice president in the company overruled the consultants when they were doing the reorganization for my spot in favor of 2 diverse candidates with none of the specialized skills that my group requires.

My boss has been fighting it for 2 years and next year he may lose. So your analysis about  DEI is incorrect

Edit
Two other white men who have been with the company for decades around 60 years old have already been forced to retire and replaced with Dei favorable people


 

I'm surprised you are one of the few on here that is experiencing this.

cincybearcat

tbergs said:

Lerxst1992 said:

tbergs said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Hobbes said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Force Of Nature said:

bootlegger10 said:

So 2-3% of people that voted for Biden now vote for Trump and it is racist and misogynistic that Kamala lost?  I could see if 30% of the people that voted for Biden switched to Kamala.

Trump won because people thought he would do better with the economy, would better control illegal immigration, and would slow the advance of ultra woke policies.  

Those are your reasons that Trump won.   Sure, Trump may be terrible at those things, but people vote on their perceptions of reality.  So Dems need to stop saying they lose because of racism and misogyny, and work harder to convince voters that they are better in these areas.

As someone in the UK who isn't close to US policies,  what's are examples of 'ultra woke policies'?  Just curious.

DEi and CRT.  Diversity Equity and Inclusion, Critical Race Theory.

One is a conceptual framework and the other is an academic field. Neither are policies. Try again.

I am not sure what your point is on DEI. it is not a conceptual framework. It is common policy for many of the large American corporations, and many of us have been hurt significantly by it. it is one of the things as a Democrat the troubles me about my party

I think the people who worry about it the most, have no idea what it is. Where I work, our "client" base is 60% diverse, but the staff make-up is less than 15% diverse. DEI isn't taking jobs from white men and handing them to less qualified candidates, it's creating initiatives to reach often overlooked and under represented populations to expand the applicant pool. I've never once been forced to hire a diverse candidate over a more qualified and better experienced non diverse candidate. I have had to repost because our pool was shit, but DEI isn't forcing me to hire someone. If that's happening where you work, that's wrong and wouldn't be a place I would continue working at.

I think the heart of the issue is that we (as a society) are more inclined to hire someone who looks like us and is someone we can relate to because it makes us feel comfortable. It's an ingrained unconscious bias. The right wants to call people "woke" who recognize this unconscious bias because it means accepting some level of responsibility to why race and gender issues still exist at the level they do. I think acknowledging them is the first step towards finding a solution and actively trying to make a change. 

When you are near Eddie vedder's age, you have very very very very little choice where you work 

As things stand now  100% DEI has  potential to take away my job in favor of diverse candidates who are absolutely less qualified than I am, who have zero of the specialized skills that I have.

 But my company does not give a crap. They have their affirmative action targets and have said publicly many times including in earnings releases that they are behind schedule in DEI numbers. Many many publicly traded companies have these policies and speak of them publicly.

 A vice president in the company overruled the consultants when they were doing the reorganization for my spot in favor of 2 diverse candidates with none of the specialized skills that my group requires.

My boss has been fighting it for 2 years and next year he may lose. So your analysis about  DEI is incorrect

Edit
Two other white men who have been with the company for decades around 60 years old have already been forced to retire and replaced with Dei favorable people


 

Sorry to hear that. Sounds like bad leadership where you work and people who don't really understand what DEI is about or are using it to eliminate higher salary staff in the guise of DEI. Does it seem that salaries/benefits/incentives are being offered at lower rates with the DEI positions?

We are also all unionized where I work so that may be the difference in how things are playing out. 

Here is the interesting, and disturbing thing I see. It is as you said, people are more likely to hire people that remind them of themselves.

An org I worked in had a strong African American leader…and they moved throughout the years up the corporate ladder, someone that looked like him (sometimes a female though) always took the place behind…and same with that persons place.  I liked all these people and thought most were at least average at their jobs and some truly exceptional.  Didn’t really bother me cause I understand that opportunities had been lacking for certain people through the years.

But it did highlight the extreme risk of these policies and what happens next. Nit to mention, there is an annual week+ long conference that you can attend in all kinds of nice places if you are in this affinity group. The networking there is amazing and certainly leads to hiring more people that look like themselves. 

Additionally the company has goals for new hires and departments. To be fair, due to the type of work being an old non traditional female field and the college pool of candidates being mostly male and white, the company has not really hit these targets in the are of engineering despite effort.

I personally am against targets and goals. I think more should be done to train people to recognize their implicit bias and the fact that they will lean towards someone like them when hiring. It is also why no new hire is hired without being interviewed by 3 different people.  I think the goals/targets based on sex/race are lazy and do more harm than good.  I also believe that providing vast resources to specific affinity groups at work is both a great thing and a potentially unfair thing to do. No easy answers on this one.

mace1229

Lerxst1992 said:

tbergs said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Hobbes said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Force Of Nature said:

bootlegger10 said:

So 2-3% of people that voted for Biden now vote for Trump and it is racist and misogynistic that Kamala lost?  I could see if 30% of the people that voted for Biden switched to Kamala.

Trump won because people thought he would do better with the economy, would better control illegal immigration, and would slow the advance of ultra woke policies.  

Those are your reasons that Trump won.   Sure, Trump may be terrible at those things, but people vote on their perceptions of reality.  So Dems need to stop saying they lose because of racism and misogyny, and work harder to convince voters that they are better in these areas.

As someone in the UK who isn't close to US policies,  what's are examples of 'ultra woke policies'?  Just curious.

DEi and CRT.  Diversity Equity and Inclusion, Critical Race Theory.

One is a conceptual framework and the other is an academic field. Neither are policies. Try again.

I am not sure what your point is on DEI. it is not a conceptual framework. It is common policy for many of the large American corporations, and many of us have been hurt significantly by it. it is one of the things as a Democrat the troubles me about my party

I think the people who worry about it the most, have no idea what it is. Where I work, our "client" base is 60% diverse, but the staff make-up is less than 15% diverse. DEI isn't taking jobs from white men and handing them to less qualified candidates, it's creating initiatives to reach often overlooked and under represented populations to expand the applicant pool. I've never once been forced to hire a diverse candidate over a more qualified and better experienced non diverse candidate. I have had to repost because our pool was shit, but DEI isn't forcing me to hire someone. If that's happening where you work, that's wrong and wouldn't be a place I would continue working at.

I think the heart of the issue is that we (as a society) are more inclined to hire someone who looks like us and is someone we can relate to because it makes us feel comfortable. It's an ingrained unconscious bias. The right wants to call people "woke" who recognize this unconscious bias because it means accepting some level of responsibility to why race and gender issues still exist at the level they do. I think acknowledging them is the first step towards finding a solution and actively trying to make a change. 

When you are near Eddie vedder's age, you have very very very very little choice where you work 

As things stand now  100% DEI has  potential to take away my job in favor of diverse candidates who are absolutely less qualified than I am, who have zero of the specialized skills that I have.

 But my company does not give a crap. They have their affirmative action targets and have said publicly many times including in earnings releases that they are behind schedule in DEI numbers. Many many publicly traded companies have these policies and speak of them publicly.

 A vice president in the company overruled the consultants when they were doing the reorganization for my spot in favor of 2 diverse candidates with none of the specialized skills that my group requires.

My boss has been fighting it for 2 years and next year he may lose. So your analysis about  DEI is incorrect

Edit
Two other white men who have been with the company for decades around 60 years old have already been forced to retire and replaced with Dei favorable people


 

I have been in 2 different districts where the upper admin or HR reps openly state they hire minorities over white candidates. If they can get a minority to apply for a teaching position and is qualified, they're hired. 

Merkin Baller

As I alluded yesterday, misinformation played a huge role in this election. I don’t know that there’s any amount of democrat messaging that can combat this. 

cincybearcat

I can't believe people didn;t know the stock market was doing great.

That last question is dumb as hell though...last few months.....c'mon.  Totally slanted questions...maybe lower cause so many already here.

Merkin Baller

cincybearcat said:

I can't believe people didn;t know the stock market was doing great.

That last question is dumb as hell though...last few months.....c'mon.  Totally slanted questions...maybe lower cause so many already here.

The point stands.  

& I say this with respect: you're better than that last sentence. 

cincybearcat

Merkin Baller said:

cincybearcat said:

I can't believe people didn;t know the stock market was doing great.

That last question is dumb as hell though...last few months.....c'mon.  Totally slanted questions...maybe lower cause so many already here.

The point stands.  

& I say this with respect: you're better than that last sentence. 

It was said in jest.  Shoulda

cincybearcat

So it's the lowest vs the rest of the Biden years....not a great bar to jump.

Merkin Baller

cincybearcat said:

So it's the lowest vs the rest of the Biden years....not a great bar to jump.

The point still stands. 

cincybearcat

Merkin Baller said:

cincybearcat said:

So it's the lowest vs the rest of the Biden years....not a great bar to jump.

The point still stands. 

Yes that it was a question specifically picked to ignore the issue and make it seem like it is better than it is and trick Dems and Reps when they answered it.  I agree, point still stands.  

Seriously, if trump was president over the last 4 years and these were his #'s and this question was asked, I feel more people on this forum would be calling out how dumb a question it is.