2024 US Election - Predictions

tbergs

ComeToTX said:

i keep hearing about the dem messaging but how do they get that messaging to the people they need to hear it?  most of this country receive their information from right wing sources whether they know it or not.  people that watch fox and spend their time on social media aren't going to see dem messaging.  in a blind survey 80+% preferred her policies.  but again policy doesn't matter because a lot of this country is just pissed off and want a show.

The Fake News/Media chants from Trump worked. These people all abandoned reputable news sources that fact check and source the stories they post in favor of snippets on X, out of context soundbites on social media, Fox News (not sure why that one is ok) and podcasts from far right conservatives advancing conspiracy theories. The MSM makes mistakes, but there have been corrections and consequences when that happens and the majority of news from non-partisan sources is not fake or altered unless it is opinion based to begin with (use critical thinking and comprehension to make your choices!). I can read WSJ, WaPo, Reuters, AP, The Atlantic, The Economist and other news sources for information and choose whether I want to agree with opinion pieces. That is a good thing. Labeling all news media as fake and sanewashing the actual words out of Trump's mouth is why people swung. They don't even believe it when you show them the clips. These people are screaming find other sources, but when they give you a list of their recommendations, they are all partisan hacks pushing their views. This is why Bezo's interference in the WaPo editorial board (not the news division) was so damning for many people. It showed that he was willing to interfere for his own self interest. I don't want to have news sources bent on slanting a story for the benefit of their preferred belief, but a lot of conservatives are doing just that and claiming they aren't.

Spiritual_Chaos

HughFreakingDillon said:

shadowcast said:

Go Beavers said:

shadowcast said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

shadowcast said:

The results of this past election is nothing short of a massive political realignment. The Left needs to take a long hard look at themselves and do some self reflecting. They went from the party of tolerance to the party of intolerance. From peace and love to War hawks. 

I'm ok with not tolerating racism and bigotry. 

Who was racist? If you say Trump why did he gain in the Latino vote and didn't lose any of the black vote? Also Dearborn Michigan which has a high population if not the highest of Muslims voted Red and flipped the state. Sounds like someone has been misinformed. Stop listening to MSNBC. Take your blinders off. 

So you think minorities can’t be racist? And does any amount of minority vote Trump got magically eliminate things he’s said and done? 

What exactly did he say and do? Just becasue you got offended by a comment he said doesn't mean someone of color did. The comments he made obviously didn't effect his status with minorities as they showed up for him in record numbers. 

"poisoning the blood of our country"

You build a country’s whole worth soley on something as shallow as patriotism and this thinking will trickle out in the end.  

Gern Blansten

shadowcast said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

shadowcast said:

The results of this past election is nothing short of a massive political realignment. The Left needs to take a long hard look at themselves and do some self reflecting. They went from the party of tolerance to the party of intolerance. From peace and love to War hawks. 

I'm ok with not tolerating racism and bigotry. 

Who was racist? If you say Trump why did he gain in the Latino vote and didn't lose any of the black vote? Also Dearborn Michigan which has a high population if not the highest of Muslims voted Red and flipped the state. Sounds like someone has been misinformed. Stop listening to MSNBC. Take your blinders off. 

IGNORANCE! pay attention spanky

Gern Blansten

shadowcast said:

tbergs said:

Today it was suggested that someone I know should stop believing all the MSM because all they do is lie and divide. Mentioned that they should look at different sources. When questioned about the sources, the reply was Dan Bongino, ZeroHedge, Tim Pool and NY Post. That is the better source of information and the truth more so than Reuters, AP, NPR. I mean, un-fucking-believable how brainwashed these people are. Sensationalized opinions are news and news sources are lies and divisive? I'm all for diverse news sources because I want information that isn't presented with an angle unless it's an opinion piece, but it seems people are now following any schmuck with a podcast, TikTok or X account who don't actually fact check (oooh, the bad thing liberals do) or confirm their stories' sources. Yikes!

I would suggest Jimmy Dore, Breaking points, Rogan & Due Dissidence.

lol...Moe, Larry and Curley

ComeToTX

tbergs said:

ComeToTX said:

i keep hearing about the dem messaging but how do they get that messaging to the people they need to hear it?  most of this country receive their information from right wing sources whether they know it or not.  people that watch fox and spend their time on social media aren't going to see dem messaging.  in a blind survey 80+% preferred her policies.  but again policy doesn't matter because a lot of this country is just pissed off and want a show.

The Fake News/Media chants from Trump worked. These people all abandoned reputable news sources that fact check and source the stories they post in favor of snippets on X, out of context soundbites on social media, Fox News (not sure why that one is ok) and podcasts from far right conservatives advancing conspiracy theories. The MSM makes mistakes, but there have been corrections and consequences when that happens and the majority of news from non-partisan sources is not fake or altered unless it is opinion based to begin with (use critical thinking and comprehension to make your choices!). I can read WSJ, WaPo, Reuters, AP, The Atlantic, The Economist and other news sources for information and choose whether I want to agree with opinion pieces. That is a good thing. Labeling all news media as fake and sanewashing the actual words out of Trump's mouth is why people swung. They don't even believe it when you show them the clips. These people are screaming find other sources, but when they give you a list of their recommendations, they are all partisan hacks pushing their views. This is why Bezo's interference in the WaPo editorial board (not the news division) was so damning for many people. It showed that he was willing to interfere for his own self interest. I don't want to have news sources bent on slanting a story for the benefit of their preferred belief, but a lot of conservatives are doing just that and claiming they aren't.

great point on the sanwashing...the msm treating trump like a normal politician for the last 9 years and especially post jan 6 is maddening.

also, somehting i told my dad when he asked me why i don't watch fox and specifically hannity: you're not supposed to agree or disagree with the news.  i prefer facts.

Gern Blansten

ComeToTX said:

tbergs said:

ComeToTX said:

i keep hearing about the dem messaging but how do they get that messaging to the people they need to hear it?  most of this country receive their information from right wing sources whether they know it or not.  people that watch fox and spend their time on social media aren't going to see dem messaging.  in a blind survey 80+% preferred her policies.  but again policy doesn't matter because a lot of this country is just pissed off and want a show.

The Fake News/Media chants from Trump worked. These people all abandoned reputable news sources that fact check and source the stories they post in favor of snippets on X, out of context soundbites on social media, Fox News (not sure why that one is ok) and podcasts from far right conservatives advancing conspiracy theories. The MSM makes mistakes, but there have been corrections and consequences when that happens and the majority of news from non-partisan sources is not fake or altered unless it is opinion based to begin with (use critical thinking and comprehension to make your choices!). I can read WSJ, WaPo, Reuters, AP, The Atlantic, The Economist and other news sources for information and choose whether I want to agree with opinion pieces. That is a good thing. Labeling all news media as fake and sanewashing the actual words out of Trump's mouth is why people swung. They don't even believe it when you show them the clips. These people are screaming find other sources, but when they give you a list of their recommendations, they are all partisan hacks pushing their views. This is why Bezo's interference in the WaPo editorial board (not the news division) was so damning for many people. It showed that he was willing to interfere for his own self interest. I don't want to have news sources bent on slanting a story for the benefit of their preferred belief, but a lot of conservatives are doing just that and claiming they aren't.

great point on the sanwashing...the msm treating trump like a normal politician for the last 9 years and especially post jan 6 is maddening.

also, somehting i told my dad when he asked me why i don't watch fox and specifically hannity: you're not supposed to agree or disagree with the news.  i prefer facts.

that's the key...I cancelled my WP subscription after they refused to endorse Harris. I hate to punish reporters and I'm starting to worry about their survival but Bezos has enough money to prop them up if needed.

trump rarely did any interviews with real news and when he did he either stormed off (i.e. 60 minutes) or they would let him brow beat them and avoid answering tough questions. But the right would criticize Harris for not doing interviews.

tbergs

ComeToTX said:

tbergs said:

ComeToTX said:

i keep hearing about the dem messaging but how do they get that messaging to the people they need to hear it?  most of this country receive their information from right wing sources whether they know it or not.  people that watch fox and spend their time on social media aren't going to see dem messaging.  in a blind survey 80+% preferred her policies.  but again policy doesn't matter because a lot of this country is just pissed off and want a show.

The Fake News/Media chants from Trump worked. These people all abandoned reputable news sources that fact check and source the stories they post in favor of snippets on X, out of context soundbites on social media, Fox News (not sure why that one is ok) and podcasts from far right conservatives advancing conspiracy theories. The MSM makes mistakes, but there have been corrections and consequences when that happens and the majority of news from non-partisan sources is not fake or altered unless it is opinion based to begin with (use critical thinking and comprehension to make your choices!). I can read WSJ, WaPo, Reuters, AP, The Atlantic, The Economist and other news sources for information and choose whether I want to agree with opinion pieces. That is a good thing. Labeling all news media as fake and sanewashing the actual words out of Trump's mouth is why people swung. They don't even believe it when you show them the clips. These people are screaming find other sources, but when they give you a list of their recommendations, they are all partisan hacks pushing their views. This is why Bezo's interference in the WaPo editorial board (not the news division) was so damning for many people. It showed that he was willing to interfere for his own self interest. I don't want to have news sources bent on slanting a story for the benefit of their preferred belief, but a lot of conservatives are doing just that and claiming they aren't.

great point on the sanwashing...the msm treating trump like a normal politician for the last 9 years and especially post jan 6 is maddening.

also, somehting i told my dad when he asked me why i don't watch fox and specifically hannity: you're not supposed to agree or disagree with the news.  i prefer facts.

I love that last few sentences. That's a great way to put it. I'm not looking for affirmation of my beliefs/views, I want to form them based on actual events, actions and the words of people involved. That is the core of critical thinking and decision making.

cincybearcat

tbergs said:

ComeToTX said:

i keep hearing about the dem messaging but how do they get that messaging to the people they need to hear it?  most of this country receive their information from right wing sources whether they know it or not.  people that watch fox and spend their time on social media aren't going to see dem messaging.  in a blind survey 80+% preferred her policies.  but again policy doesn't matter because a lot of this country is just pissed off and want a show.

The Fake News/Media chants from Trump worked. These people all abandoned reputable news sources that fact check and source the stories they post in favor of snippets on X, out of context soundbites on social media, Fox News (not sure why that one is ok) and podcasts from far right conservatives advancing conspiracy theories. The MSM makes mistakes, but there have been corrections and consequences when that happens and the majority of news from non-partisan sources is not fake or altered unless it is opinion based to begin with (use critical thinking and comprehension to make your choices!). I can read WSJ, WaPo, Reuters, AP, The Atlantic, The Economist and other news sources for information and choose whether I want to agree with opinion pieces. That is a good thing. Labeling all news media as fake and sanewashing the actual words out of Trump's mouth is why people swung. They don't even believe it when you show them the clips. These people are screaming find other sources, but when they give you a list of their recommendations, they are all partisan hacks pushing their views. This is why Bezo's interference in the WaPo editorial board (not the news division) was so damning for many people. It showed that he was willing to interfere for his own self interest. I don't want to have news sources bent on slanting a story for the benefit of their preferred belief, but a lot of conservatives are doing just that and claiming they aren't.

I've always found, if you are listening to news...or even Op Ed regarding the political world...and you are finding that you are agreeing with everything they say (except for maybe the 1 token person on the panel)...you really should find a new news source.

shadowcast

HughFreakingDillon said:

shadowcast said:

Go Beavers said:

shadowcast said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

shadowcast said:

The results of this past election is nothing short of a massive political realignment. The Left needs to take a long hard look at themselves and do some self reflecting. They went from the party of tolerance to the party of intolerance. From peace and love to War hawks. 

I'm ok with not tolerating racism and bigotry. 

Who was racist? If you say Trump why did he gain in the Latino vote and didn't lose any of the black vote? Also Dearborn Michigan which has a high population if not the highest of Muslims voted Red and flipped the state. Sounds like someone has been misinformed. Stop listening to MSNBC. Take your blinders off. 

So you think minorities can’t be racist? And does any amount of minority vote Trump got magically eliminate things he’s said and done? 

What exactly did he say and do? Just becasue you got offended by a comment he said doesn't mean someone of color did. The comments he made obviously didn't effect his status with minorities as they showed up for him in record numbers. 

"poisoning the blood of our country"

Full quote. Below

"Nobody has any idea where these people are coming from, and we know they come from prisons. We know they come from mental institutions [and] insane asylums. We know they're terrorists. Nobody has ever seen anything like we're witnessing right now. It is a very sad thing for our country. It's poisoning the blood of our country. It's so bad, and people are coming in with disease. People are coming in with every possible thing that you could have."

shadowcast

ComeToTX said:

i keep hearing about the dem messaging but how do they get that messaging to the people they need to hear it?  most of this country receive their information from right wing sources whether they know it or not.  people that watch fox and spend their time on social media aren't going to see dem messaging.  in a blind survey 80+% preferred her policies.  but again policy doesn't matter because a lot of this country is just pissed off and want a show.

The Republicans did it through Podcasts. 

GlowGirl

shadowcast said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

shadowcast said:

Go Beavers said:

shadowcast said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

shadowcast said:

The results of this past election is nothing short of a massive political realignment. The Left needs to take a long hard look at themselves and do some self reflecting. They went from the party of tolerance to the party of intolerance. From peace and love to War hawks. 

I'm ok with not tolerating racism and bigotry. 

Who was racist? If you say Trump why did he gain in the Latino vote and didn't lose any of the black vote? Also Dearborn Michigan which has a high population if not the highest of Muslims voted Red and flipped the state. Sounds like someone has been misinformed. Stop listening to MSNBC. Take your blinders off. 

So you think minorities can’t be racist? And does any amount of minority vote Trump got magically eliminate things he’s said and done? 

What exactly did he say and do? Just becasue you got offended by a comment he said doesn't mean someone of color did. The comments he made obviously didn't effect his status with minorities as they showed up for him in record numbers. 

"poisoning the blood of our country"

Full quote. Below

"Nobody has any idea where these people are coming from, and we know they come from prisons. We know they come from mental institutions [and] insane asylums. We know they're terrorists. Nobody has ever seen anything like we're witnessing right now. It is a very sad thing for our country. It's poisoning the blood of our country. It's so bad, and people are coming in with disease. People are coming in with every possible thing that you could have."

Is that quote from Trump or Hitler. When I was in Berlin this summer I went to an exhibit about Nazi Germany. This looks like some of the quotes they had in the exhibit. So, I am seriously asking.

tbergs

shadowcast said:

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Gern Blansten said:

Zero wars stated under Biden or Trump, correct? We started zero.

Also, I get the Cheney resentment, fuck those people, but that doesn't mean I would shoot myself in the foot and choose a dictator and upheaval of social systems created for the betterment of all people in this country. And while on that subject, you mention the Cheneys supporting Harris, what about neo nazi, white supremacists supporting Trump? Isn't that a fucking red flag to you? Good god, look at the big picture. Domestic terrorism will once again be on the rise and threaten this country and the nationalist view will leave the US out in the cold.

As for the ceasefire, maybe you weren't aware of this already so here you go.

https://www.npr.org/2024/10/28/nx-s1-5168008/israel-hamas-war-gaza-ceasefire-us-election

Also, no ceasefire is expected until January now because no one knows what to expect with our new dictator. 

What new wars were started by Trump? Biden is literally funding the war in Ukraine. Not to mention all the bomb Obama dropped on civilians. 

Yes I have problems with Israel and how they are handling the situation. 

Trump is not a dictator and anyone that says that has been brain washed.

I already agreed that Trump didn't start any wars, but also added Biden because neither did he, and to that end neither did Obama. Last person to start a war was Dick...er George Bush.

So you support dropping support for Israel and Ukraine and believe Trump will do so to end US involvement?

So Trump is brainwashed? He said he would be, if only on day one. Whatever that means.

Spiritual_Chaos

shadowcast said:

The results of this past election is nothing short of a massive political realignment. The Left needs to take a long hard look at themselves and do some self reflecting. They went from the party of tolerance to the party of intolerance. From peace and love to War hawks. 

So you think Russia should get to plow through Ukraine without the US backing up Ukraine in any way?

mrussel1

Spiritual_Chaos said:

shadowcast said:

The results of this past election is nothing short of a massive political realignment. The Left needs to take a long hard look at themselves and do some self reflecting. They went from the party of tolerance to the party of intolerance. From peace and love to War hawks. 

So you think Russia should get to plow through Ukraine without the US backing up Ukraine in any way?

Giving material support to free nations defending themselves against our enemy is being a NEOCON.  I learned that today.  

Go Beavers

shadowcast said:

Go Beavers said:

shadowcast said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

shadowcast said:

The results of this past election is nothing short of a massive political realignment. The Left needs to take a long hard look at themselves and do some self reflecting. They went from the party of tolerance to the party of intolerance. From peace and love to War hawks. 

I'm ok with not tolerating racism and bigotry. 

Who was racist? If you say Trump why did he gain in the Latino vote and didn't lose any of the black vote? Also Dearborn Michigan which has a high population if not the highest of Muslims voted Red and flipped the state. Sounds like someone has been misinformed. Stop listening to MSNBC. Take your blinders off. 

So you think minorities can’t be racist? And does any amount of minority vote Trump got magically eliminate things he’s said and done? 

What exactly did he say and do? Just becasue you got offended by a comment he said doesn't mean someone of color did. The comments he made obviously didn't effect his status with minorities as they showed up for him in record numbers. 

Since I think with a critical mind, I don’t need information filtered through someone else to formulate an opinion. What did he say and do:
Settled out of court for housing discrimination against black people. 

Repeatedly uses antisemitic tropes regarding American Jews having dual loyalty to Israel. 

Replied “I probably said that” when asked if he said he thinks blacks are lazy and Jews should handle his money. 

Repeatedly combines racial stereotypes with insults directed at individual minorities. 

Fear mongers about racial groups: e.g. Mexican rapists and drug dealers.  

“They’re eating the dogs”. I could keep going.  

Go Beavers

HughFreakingDillon said:

shadowcast said:

Go Beavers said:

shadowcast said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

shadowcast said:

The results of this past election is nothing short of a massive political realignment. The Left needs to take a long hard look at themselves and do some self reflecting. They went from the party of tolerance to the party of intolerance. From peace and love to War hawks. 

I'm ok with not tolerating racism and bigotry. 

Who was racist? If you say Trump why did he gain in the Latino vote and didn't lose any of the black vote? Also Dearborn Michigan which has a high population if not the highest of Muslims voted Red and flipped the state. Sounds like someone has been misinformed. Stop listening to MSNBC. Take your blinders off. 

So you think minorities can’t be racist? And does any amount of minority vote Trump got magically eliminate things he’s said and done? 

What exactly did he say and do? Just becasue you got offended by a comment he said doesn't mean someone of color did. The comments he made obviously didn't effect his status with minorities as they showed up for him in record numbers. 

"poisoning the blood of our country"

Oh yeah. I forgot his weird infatuation with eugenics, too. Complimenting antisemite Henry Ford on his great genes. 

Lerxst1992

tbergs said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Hobbes said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Force Of Nature said:

bootlegger10 said:

So 2-3% of people that voted for Biden now vote for Trump and it is racist and misogynistic that Kamala lost?  I could see if 30% of the people that voted for Biden switched to Kamala.

Trump won because people thought he would do better with the economy, would better control illegal immigration, and would slow the advance of ultra woke policies.  

Those are your reasons that Trump won.   Sure, Trump may be terrible at those things, but people vote on their perceptions of reality.  So Dems need to stop saying they lose because of racism and misogyny, and work harder to convince voters that they are better in these areas.

As someone in the UK who isn't close to US policies,  what's are examples of 'ultra woke policies'?  Just curious.

DEi and CRT.  Diversity Equity and Inclusion, Critical Race Theory.

One is a conceptual framework and the other is an academic field. Neither are policies. Try again.

I am not sure what your point is on DEI. it is not a conceptual framework. It is common policy for many of the large American corporations, and many of us have been hurt significantly by it. it is one of the things as a Democrat the troubles me about my party

I think the people who worry about it the most, have no idea what it is. Where I work, our "client" base is 60% diverse, but the staff make-up is less than 15% diverse. DEI isn't taking jobs from white men and handing them to less qualified candidates, it's creating initiatives to reach often overlooked and under represented populations to expand the applicant pool. I've never once been forced to hire a diverse candidate over a more qualified and better experienced non diverse candidate. I have had to repost because our pool was shit, but DEI isn't forcing me to hire someone. If that's happening where you work, that's wrong and wouldn't be a place I would continue working at.

I think the heart of the issue is that we (as a society) are more inclined to hire someone who looks like us and is someone we can relate to because it makes us feel comfortable. It's an ingrained unconscious bias. The right wants to call people "woke" who recognize this unconscious bias because it means accepting some level of responsibility to why race and gender issues still exist at the level they do. I think acknowledging them is the first step towards finding a solution and actively trying to make a change. 

When you are near Eddie vedder's age, you have very very very very little choice where you work 

As things stand now  100% DEI has  potential to take away my job in favor of diverse candidates who are absolutely less qualified than I am, who have zero of the specialized skills that I have.

 But my company does not give a crap. They have their affirmative action targets and have said publicly many times including in earnings releases that they are behind schedule in DEI numbers. Many many publicly traded companies have these policies and speak of them publicly.

 A vice president in the company overruled the consultants when they were doing the reorganization for my spot in favor of 2 diverse candidates with none of the specialized skills that my group requires.

My boss has been fighting it for 2 years and next year he may lose. So your analysis about  DEI is incorrect

Edit
Two other white men who have been with the company for decades around 60 years old have already been forced to retire and replaced with Dei favorable people


 

tbergs

Lerxst1992 said:

tbergs said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Hobbes said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Force Of Nature said:

bootlegger10 said:

So 2-3% of people that voted for Biden now vote for Trump and it is racist and misogynistic that Kamala lost?  I could see if 30% of the people that voted for Biden switched to Kamala.

Trump won because people thought he would do better with the economy, would better control illegal immigration, and would slow the advance of ultra woke policies.  

Those are your reasons that Trump won.   Sure, Trump may be terrible at those things, but people vote on their perceptions of reality.  So Dems need to stop saying they lose because of racism and misogyny, and work harder to convince voters that they are better in these areas.

As someone in the UK who isn't close to US policies,  what's are examples of 'ultra woke policies'?  Just curious.

DEi and CRT.  Diversity Equity and Inclusion, Critical Race Theory.

One is a conceptual framework and the other is an academic field. Neither are policies. Try again.

I am not sure what your point is on DEI. it is not a conceptual framework. It is common policy for many of the large American corporations, and many of us have been hurt significantly by it. it is one of the things as a Democrat the troubles me about my party

I think the people who worry about it the most, have no idea what it is. Where I work, our "client" base is 60% diverse, but the staff make-up is less than 15% diverse. DEI isn't taking jobs from white men and handing them to less qualified candidates, it's creating initiatives to reach often overlooked and under represented populations to expand the applicant pool. I've never once been forced to hire a diverse candidate over a more qualified and better experienced non diverse candidate. I have had to repost because our pool was shit, but DEI isn't forcing me to hire someone. If that's happening where you work, that's wrong and wouldn't be a place I would continue working at.

I think the heart of the issue is that we (as a society) are more inclined to hire someone who looks like us and is someone we can relate to because it makes us feel comfortable. It's an ingrained unconscious bias. The right wants to call people "woke" who recognize this unconscious bias because it means accepting some level of responsibility to why race and gender issues still exist at the level they do. I think acknowledging them is the first step towards finding a solution and actively trying to make a change. 

When you are near Eddie vedder's age, you have very very very very little choice where you work 

As things stand now  100% DEI has  potential to take away my job in favor of diverse candidates who are absolutely less qualified than I am, who have zero of the specialized skills that I have.

 But my company does not give a crap. They have their affirmative action targets and have said publicly many times including in earnings releases that they are behind schedule in DEI numbers. Many many publicly traded companies have these policies and speak of them publicly.

 A vice president in the company overruled the consultants when they were doing the reorganization for my spot in favor of 2 diverse candidates with none of the specialized skills that my group requires.

My boss has been fighting it for 2 years and next year he may lose. So your analysis about  DEI is incorrect

Edit
Two other white men who have been with the company for decades around 60 years old have already been forced to retire and replaced with Dei favorable people


 

Sorry to hear that. Sounds like bad leadership where you work and people who don't really understand what DEI is about or are using it to eliminate higher salary staff in the guise of DEI. Does it seem that salaries/benefits/incentives are being offered at lower rates with the DEI positions?

We are also all unionized where I work so that may be the difference in how things are playing out. 

Go Beavers

shadowcast said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

shadowcast said:

Go Beavers said:

shadowcast said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

shadowcast said:

The results of this past election is nothing short of a massive political realignment. The Left needs to take a long hard look at themselves and do some self reflecting. They went from the party of tolerance to the party of intolerance. From peace and love to War hawks. 

I'm ok with not tolerating racism and bigotry. 

Who was racist? If you say Trump why did he gain in the Latino vote and didn't lose any of the black vote? Also Dearborn Michigan which has a high population if not the highest of Muslims voted Red and flipped the state. Sounds like someone has been misinformed. Stop listening to MSNBC. Take your blinders off. 

So you think minorities can’t be racist? And does any amount of minority vote Trump got magically eliminate things he’s said and done? 

What exactly did he say and do? Just becasue you got offended by a comment he said doesn't mean someone of color did. The comments he made obviously didn't effect his status with minorities as they showed up for him in record numbers. 

"poisoning the blood of our country"

Full quote. Below

"Nobody has any idea where these people are coming from, and we know they come from prisons. We know they come from mental institutions [and] insane asylums. We know they're terrorists. Nobody has ever seen anything like we're witnessing right now. It is a very sad thing for our country. It's poisoning the blood of our country. It's so bad, and people are coming in with disease. People are coming in with every possible thing that you could have."

It's always funny when people think the full quote puts Trump in a better light. 

HughFreakingDillon

shadowcast said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

shadowcast said:

Go Beavers said:

shadowcast said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

shadowcast said:

The results of this past election is nothing short of a massive political realignment. The Left needs to take a long hard look at themselves and do some self reflecting. They went from the party of tolerance to the party of intolerance. From peace and love to War hawks. 

I'm ok with not tolerating racism and bigotry. 

Who was racist? If you say Trump why did he gain in the Latino vote and didn't lose any of the black vote? Also Dearborn Michigan which has a high population if not the highest of Muslims voted Red and flipped the state. Sounds like someone has been misinformed. Stop listening to MSNBC. Take your blinders off. 

So you think minorities can’t be racist? And does any amount of minority vote Trump got magically eliminate things he’s said and done? 

What exactly did he say and do? Just becasue you got offended by a comment he said doesn't mean someone of color did. The comments he made obviously didn't effect his status with minorities as they showed up for him in record numbers. 

"poisoning the blood of our country"

Full quote. Below

"Nobody has any idea where these people are coming from, and we know they come from prisons. We know they come from mental institutions [and] insane asylums. We know they're terrorists. Nobody has ever seen anything like we're witnessing right now. It is a very sad thing for our country. It's poisoning the blood of our country. It's so bad, and people are coming in with disease. People are coming in with every possible thing that you could have."

yeah, haha, how does the full quote make it better? it doesn't. it's dog whistling language for nazis and racists, dude. come on. it's right out of the hitler playbook. You can't be this daft.