2024 US Election - Predictions

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  • OnWis97OnWis97 Posts: 5,131
    I Dei feel like I’ve been cheated out of an epic Elon Musk hissy fit.
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Posts: 20,227
    Just think for a minute.  If the dems wouldn’t have cheated in 2020, Trump would only have 2 months left to be President.  Now he’ll be in the Oval till 2029.  How does that feel?
    lol...so why didn't they cheat this time? Why give up the oval? Why give up the senate? 

    Comments like this are laughable. I needed that.
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    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,438
    g under p said:
    I'm having breakfast here here in Palm Brach right next Mar Lago. I was expecting tons MAGAs celebrating but I can only see one...it could be news crew though.
    I'm not surprised in anyway. I told family and friends do not be surprised if he wins. He has campaigned against two women and has won them both. 🇺🇸 America is just NOT ready for a woman to become president. 
    I hope he will fight for the the entire country not just his side. I seriously doubt he will unfortunately 😔. 

    ✌️
    Or maybe the majority of Americans, by the looks of it, are fed up with the way the left was going?

    Lets see if he can do some good with his promises.
    Except we already have the data on him...trump promises?  Please.

    I can't wait for more trump tax breaks too...the ones where my family is upper middle class and ended up playing more in taxes.  Can't wait.
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Posts: 20,227
    g under p said:
    I'm having breakfast here here in Palm Brach right next Mar Lago. I was expecting tons MAGAs celebrating but I can only see one...it could be news crew though.
    I'm not surprised in anyway. I told family and friends do not be surprised if he wins. He has campaigned against two women and has won them both. 🇺🇸 America is just NOT ready for a woman to become president. 
    I hope he will fight for the the entire country not just his side. I seriously doubt he will unfortunately 😔. 

    ✌️
    Or maybe the majority of Americans, by the looks of it, are fed up with the way the left was going?

    Lets see if he can do some good with his promises.
    Except we already have the data on him...trump promises?  Please.

    I can't wait for more trump tax breaks too...the ones where my family is upper middle class and ended up playing more in taxes.  Can't wait.
    I can't wait for him to fuck up heathcare. If we're lucky he won't do anything...even though he said he would give us a "beautiful plan" over and over again.
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    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
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    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,519
    Biden has to be laughing his ass off right now. 
    Him going full anti-Harris over the last 4-6 weeks has been truly mesmerizing to watch

    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Posts: 20,227
    edited November 6
    Interesting that the state polls were actually pretty accurate. That Selzer poll in IA being the giant fuck up. Totally ruined her track record.

    And the 538 model was right on. They changed it to 50/49 Harris yesterday morning but it had trump as the favorite for quite some time prior to that.


    Post edited by Gern Blansten on
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
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    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Posts: 10,758
    When people ask "how did this happen?". Tell them it was men.
    White, older, "christian" men who never attended college.
    They see themselves in his hatred.

    And yes clearly white women and latinos are part of the equation but his overwhelming support came from white men. 

    They should all be ashamed for supporting so much fear, hatred, ignorance, and lies.
  • mookieblalockmookieblalock Posts: 3,271
    Just think for a minute.  If the dems wouldn’t have cheated in 2020, Trump would only have 2 months left to be President.  Now he’ll be in the Oval till 2029.  How does that feel?
    Trump won fair and square this year

    its amazing you won’t allow yourself to face reality and say Biden won fair and square in 2020.
    Maybe he didn’t and the Covid election was rigged. 
    And maybe you’re a Russian bot. I don’t have proof, but many people are saying this.
  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,450
    tbergs said:
    pjl44 said:
    tbergs said:
    pjl44 said:
    Harris was a bad candidate but they were kinda stuck. Running a bad campaign to boot only exacerbated the problem.
    Yeah, blame the female minority candidate who has no corruption in her past and was more experienced. The issue isn't with her or her campaign, it's with the archaic patriarchy mindset of a vast majority of people in this country. Remove the ages, names, gender and race of each candidate and stack their merits side by side and tell me she's a bad candidate. That's fucking ridiculous and you are part of the problem, whether you like it or not. She can't win for the same reason Pete will never be able to win. We've proven only straight white men can control enough of the electorate. I applaud democrats for pushing aside gender as an obstacle to the presidency, but unfortunately this country still isn't ready for a woman to lead.
    Noted straight white man Barack Obama 
    Yes, my bad. It's primarily a gender issue at this point, but racism is still a factor. I don't know that Obama could beat Trump at this point in time either. 4 years from now, i think people will really try/want Trump gone, but who knows what his plans will be. His health will be so bad that I expect Vance to be really stepping up for his run.
    Obama would have absolutely mopped the floor with Trump if he had been able to run again
  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,450
    When people ask "how did this happen?". Tell them it was men.
    White, older, "christian" men who never attended college.
    They see themselves in his hatred.

    And yes clearly white women and latinos are part of the equation but his overwhelming support came from white men. 

    They should all be ashamed for supporting so much fear, hatred, ignorance, and lies.
    This is not at all borne out in the exit polling and would qualify as disinformation 
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,350
    tbergs said:
    pjl44 said:
    tbergs said:
    pjl44 said:
    Harris was a bad candidate but they were kinda stuck. Running a bad campaign to boot only exacerbated the problem.
    Yeah, blame the female minority candidate who has no corruption in her past and was more experienced. The issue isn't with her or her campaign, it's with the archaic patriarchy mindset of a vast majority of people in this country. Remove the ages, names, gender and race of each candidate and stack their merits side by side and tell me she's a bad candidate. That's fucking ridiculous and you are part of the problem, whether you like it or not. She can't win for the same reason Pete will never be able to win. We've proven only straight white men can control enough of the electorate. I applaud democrats for pushing aside gender as an obstacle to the presidency, but unfortunately this country still isn't ready for a woman to lead.
    Noted straight white man Barack Obama 
    Yes, my bad. It's primarily a gender issue at this point, but racism is still a factor. I don't know that Obama could beat Trump at this point in time either. 4 years from now, i think people will really try/want Trump gone, but who knows what his plans will be. His health will be so bad that I expect Vance to be really stepping up for his run.
    I believe Vance is an empty vessel and is easily twisted. But if not, he did say Trump was a danger and a nazi once - so he might reign it in. Chances are he tries to be Trump 2.0 and go all in on the populist "grift" to get the cult followers ofc. 

    In America the official declaration now is that Climate Change isn't real, and more oil is a great solution. Haha. What a country.
    The price of EV cars are insane.  The demand isn't there so back to gas engines for now.
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,519
    tbergs said:
    pjl44 said:
    tbergs said:
    pjl44 said:
    Harris was a bad candidate but they were kinda stuck. Running a bad campaign to boot only exacerbated the problem.
    Yeah, blame the female minority candidate who has no corruption in her past and was more experienced. The issue isn't with her or her campaign, it's with the archaic patriarchy mindset of a vast majority of people in this country. Remove the ages, names, gender and race of each candidate and stack their merits side by side and tell me she's a bad candidate. That's fucking ridiculous and you are part of the problem, whether you like it or not. She can't win for the same reason Pete will never be able to win. We've proven only straight white men can control enough of the electorate. I applaud democrats for pushing aside gender as an obstacle to the presidency, but unfortunately this country still isn't ready for a woman to lead.
    Noted straight white man Barack Obama 
    Yes, my bad. It's primarily a gender issue at this point, but racism is still a factor. I don't know that Obama could beat Trump at this point in time either. 4 years from now, i think people will really try/want Trump gone, but who knows what his plans will be. His health will be so bad that I expect Vance to be really stepping up for his run.
    I believe Vance is an empty vessel and is easily twisted. But if not, he did say Trump was a danger and a nazi once - so he might reign it in. Chances are he tries to be Trump 2.0 and go all in on the populist "grift" to get the cult followers ofc. 

    In America the official declaration now is that Climate Change isn't real, and more oil is a great solution. Haha. What a country.
    The price of EV cars are insane.  The demand isn't there so back to gas engines for now.
    But you believe in climate change still... right? ...right? 
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,450
    Before last night, Democrats had won 3 of the previous 4 Presidential elections. This country is more than willing to embrace Democrats to lead. Their best path forward is to take an honest appraisal of what happened vs. throwing a tantrum over the electorate.
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,013
    pjl44 said:
    When people ask "how did this happen?". Tell them it was men.
    White, older, "christian" men who never attended college.
    They see themselves in his hatred.

    And yes clearly white women and latinos are part of the equation but his overwhelming support came from white men. 

    They should all be ashamed for supporting so much fear, hatred, ignorance, and lies.
    This is not at all borne out in the exit polling and would qualify as disinformation 
    And this is an attempt to dismiss what may have happened as “exit polling” doesn’t mean shit. It takes a long term intense examination of voting results to determine whether white males had an outsized influence on the result.
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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,519
    pjl44 said:
    Before last night, Democrats had won 3 of the previous 4 Presidential elections. This country is more than willing to embrace Democrats to lead. Their best path forward is to take an honest appraisal of what happened vs. throwing a tantrum over the electorate.
    They had only won 3 of the last 6 though.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,450
    If you want to listen to voices that just use politics to launder their own mental illness it's going to be a long road back
  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,450
    pjl44 said:
    Before last night, Democrats had won 3 of the previous 4 Presidential elections. This country is more than willing to embrace Democrats to lead. Their best path forward is to take an honest appraisal of what happened vs. throwing a tantrum over the electorate.
    They had only won 3 of the last 6 though.
    Or 5 of the last 8
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,519
    edited November 6
    pjl44 said:
    pjl44 said:
    Before last night, Democrats had won 3 of the previous 4 Presidential elections. This country is more than willing to embrace Democrats to lead. Their best path forward is to take an honest appraisal of what happened vs. throwing a tantrum over the electorate.
    They had only won 3 of the last 6 though.
    Or 5 of the last 8
    Or 5 of the last 10. 

    So, doesn't seem that conclusive that democrats is all that more embraced to lead.
    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • tbergstbergs Posts: 9,807
    pjl44 said:
    When people ask "how did this happen?". Tell them it was men.
    White, older, "christian" men who never attended college.
    They see themselves in his hatred.

    And yes clearly white women and latinos are part of the equation but his overwhelming support came from white men. 

    They should all be ashamed for supporting so much fear, hatred, ignorance, and lies.
    This is not at all borne out in the exit polling and would qualify as disinformation 
    And this is an attempt to dismiss what may have happened as “exit polling” doesn’t mean shit. It takes a long term intense examination of voting results to determine whether white males had an outsized influence on the result.
    Women did not come out in support of Harris like expected and men of all backgrounds certainly were less supportive of her than Biden looking back at 2020. I still think it comes down to gender in this election. When I hear someone claim her campaign or policies were bad, I just have to scoff and ask, then why did Trump get so many votes? First it was Biden was too old, but then when he dropped, the same metric didn't matter to Trump voters so then they pointed to policy, but that's just laughable.

    I'll be fine. My kids future's, a little more uncertain. Extremely disappointing that they see how morals and decency don't matter and you can do whatever you want and still be rewarded. 
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,519
    #New exit poll - Latino voters  

    2020 - Biden +41  
    2024 - Harris +4

     CNN
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,882
    #New exit poll - Latino voters  

    2020 - Biden +41  
    2024 - Harris +4

     CNN
    Those damn white supremacist Latinos.  
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,013
    tbergs said:
    pjl44 said:
    When people ask "how did this happen?". Tell them it was men.
    White, older, "christian" men who never attended college.
    They see themselves in his hatred.

    And yes clearly white women and latinos are part of the equation but his overwhelming support came from white men. 

    They should all be ashamed for supporting so much fear, hatred, ignorance, and lies.
    This is not at all borne out in the exit polling and would qualify as disinformation 
    And this is an attempt to dismiss what may have happened as “exit polling” doesn’t mean shit. It takes a long term intense examination of voting results to determine whether white males had an outsized influence on the result.
    Women did not come out in support of Harris like expected and men of all backgrounds certainly were less supportive of her than Biden looking back at 2020. I still think it comes down to gender in this election. When I hear someone claim her campaign or policies were bad, I just have to scoff and ask, then why did Trump get so many votes? First it was Biden was too old, but then when he dropped, the same metric didn't matter to Trump voters so then they pointed to policy, but that's just laughable.

    I'll be fine. My kids future's, a little more uncertain. Extremely disappointing that they see how morals and decency don't matter and you can do whatever you want and still be rewarded. 
    See my post in the End of the American Republic thread made 2 weeks before the election. ‘Muricans want fascism.
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  • tbergstbergs Posts: 9,807
    #New exit poll - Latino voters  

    2020 - Biden +41  
    2024 - Harris +4

     CNN
    Those damn white supremacist Latinos.  
    Sexist would the correct assessment of why the huge swing.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Posts: 20,227
    #New exit poll - Latino voters  

    2020 - Biden +41  
    2024 - Harris +4

     CNN
    I think the inflation bullshit got to them. Once again the ignorance of not understanding why we were dealing with it (it is global...just like gas prices) and accepting that Biden/Harris should be blamed may have tipped it to trump.

    Whatever. 
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    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
  • PoncierPoncier Posts: 16,907
    pjl44 said:
    pjl44 said:
    Before last night, Democrats had won 3 of the previous 4 Presidential elections. This country is more than willing to embrace Democrats to lead. Their best path forward is to take an honest appraisal of what happened vs. throwing a tantrum over the electorate.
    They had only won 3 of the last 6 though.
    Or 5 of the last 8
    Or 5 of the last 10. 

    So, doesn't seem that conclusive that democrats is all that more embraced to lead.
    5 of last 11 actually
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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,882
    tbergs said:
    #New exit poll - Latino voters  

    2020 - Biden +41  
    2024 - Harris +4

     CNN
    Those damn white supremacist Latinos.  
    Sexist would the correct assessment of why the huge swing.
    So why didn't she get a single delegate in the 2020 primary? Was the democratic electorate racist or sexist? Or did they know that she a terrible candidate even then? 
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  • GlowGirlGlowGirl Posts: 10,903
    I thought voting in overtly racist, sexist and fascist-spouting strong-man wannabes 26 times sexual abusers who can't even do 4th grade math was something only garbage countries did. With a majority of the popular vote to boot. 

    What happened.
    You guys are blinded by hate.  Cope
    For me it is justified fear more than hate. 
  • tbergstbergs Posts: 9,807
    tbergs said:
    #New exit poll - Latino voters  

    2020 - Biden +41  
    2024 - Harris +4

     CNN
    Those damn white supremacist Latinos.  
    Sexist would the correct assessment of why the huge swing.
    So why didn't she get a single delegate in the 2020 primary? Was the democratic electorate racist or sexist? Or did they know that she a terrible candidate even then? 
    If you don't think sexism played a factor, i don't know that there's anything i can say to change your mind. Just go out there and read about the numerous women and men who don't think a woman should be president. That's an x factor she was born with and can't change, but yet the White male con man can do whatever he wants.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,519
    edited November 6
    #New exit poll - Latino voters  

    2020 - Biden +41  
    2024 - Harris +4

     CNN
    I think the inflation bullshit got to them. Once again the ignorance of not understanding why we were dealing with it (it is global...just like gas prices) and accepting that Biden/Harris should be blamed may have tipped it to trump.

    Whatever. 
    If Joe and Kamala really outperformed the rest of the western world, and also what would have been with Trump at the reigns. Then maybe they should have been better at communicating this? Get people to think "We are lucky to have it this good, and they fight this global problem as good as possible" instead of "This is hell, let have someone else have a go. And fuck immigrants"

    I mean, you had daft PJ fans in here be all "Kamala created inflation" and in the swedish news coverage a bunch of people said they voted for Trump because of thee economy and basically "because he says he will fix it and that si better than having it unfixed like now". Show that is is being fixed compared to what unfixed would be.
    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,438
    The dissection of this election will be fascinating. Going in to the night I felt like the issues Harris faced were economy(inflation) and immigration mostly.  I completely ignored the sexist portion...I do not think it was the overall driver, but I will be interested to know how much a factor it really was.
    hippiemom = goodness
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