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  • HobbesHobbes Pacific Northwest Posts: 6,427
    Hobbes said:
    So 2-3% of people that voted for Biden now vote for Trump and it is racist and misogynistic that Kamala lost?  I could see if 30% of the people that voted for Biden switched to Kamala.

    Trump won because people thought he would do better with the economy, would better control illegal immigration, and would slow the advance of ultra woke policies.  

    Those are your reasons that Trump won.   Sure, Trump may be terrible at those things, but people vote on their perceptions of reality.  So Dems need to stop saying they lose because of racism and misogyny, and work harder to convince voters that they are better in these areas.
    As someone in the UK who isn't close to US policies,  what's are examples of 'ultra woke policies'?  Just curious.
    DEi and CRT.  Diversity Equity and Inclusion, Critical Race Theory.
    One is a conceptual framework and the other is an academic field. Neither are policies. Try again.
    If you don't think that is what people are afraid of then you need to read up more. Had to google them? Thats exactly what comes up as answers if u do.  Good on you!
    I've read up plenty. Familiar with the language. Seems you had to google them, though. Good on you!
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  • jerparker20jerparker20 St. Paul, MN Posts: 2,511
    mcgruff10 said:
    I remember a professor I had said people will always vote their wallets and I think this is exactly what happened here.  Prices are out of control; hopefully President Trump fulfills his promise of bringing prices back down.  
    The only way prices come down is to abandon capitalism. If anyone believes corporations are going to willingly cut prices on good and services and lower their quarterly earnings, especially when raising prices is what has been driving corporate revenue the past 3-4 years, well they have another thing coming. You may see prices on goods level out some over the next year or two, but that would happen under either party. We’ll never see prices get back to where they were pre-COVID. That’s a reality,
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 20,645
    So 2-3% of people that voted for Biden now vote for Trump and it is racist and misogynistic that Kamala lost?  I could see if 30% of the people that voted for Biden switched to Kamala.

    Trump won because people thought he would do better with the economy, would better control illegal immigration, and would slow the advance of ultra woke policies.  

    Those are your reasons that Trump won.   Sure, Trump may be terrible at those things, but people vote on their perceptions of reality.  So Dems need to stop saying they lose because of racism and misogyny, and work harder to convince voters that they are better in these areas.
    As someone in the UK who isn't close to US policies,  what's are examples of 'ultra woke policies'?  Just curious.
    DEi and CRT.  Diversity Equity and Inclusion, Critical Race Theory.
    really? I was just going to answer and say that it is likely things that the right manufactured and here we are
    That is definitely a focal point of the people who voted.
     correct to some degree...but they are manufactured problems...like illegals voting and dems cooking elections...clearly if either of the latter were true then the dems would never lose
    I put them up there with immigration and inflation as the 4 most talking points I see mentioned. And I do agree w you as manufactured problems.  I would even put in Trans in sports.  That one was a real biggie for a bit too.
    definitely...and the whole "prison inmates getting sex changes" thing...which was a policy started under trump, somehow got hung on Harris' neck.

    It's just funny how things flip with now the dems needing to reinvent and the gop happy as hell...really fucked up time we live in
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,488
    You know I have concerns about a lot of things.  I know Trump will do crazy things.  I do worry about my retirement, inflation if tariffs out of control and if so-called trump tax breaks will raise my taxes again.

    But the first thought in my head is how awful it must feel if you are Ukrainian.  You are likely to be abandoned and Trump will allow his daddy to steal land....crazy.
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  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,749
    Hobbes said:
    So 2-3% of people that voted for Biden now vote for Trump and it is racist and misogynistic that Kamala lost?  I could see if 30% of the people that voted for Biden switched to Kamala.

    Trump won because people thought he would do better with the economy, would better control illegal immigration, and would slow the advance of ultra woke policies.  

    Those are your reasons that Trump won.   Sure, Trump may be terrible at those things, but people vote on their perceptions of reality.  So Dems need to stop saying they lose because of racism and misogyny, and work harder to convince voters that they are better in these areas.
    As someone in the UK who isn't close to US policies,  what's are examples of 'ultra woke policies'?  Just curious.
    DEi and CRT.  Diversity Equity and Inclusion, Critical Race Theory.
    One is a conceptual framework and the other is an academic field. Neither are policies. Try again.

    I am not sure what your point is on DEI. it is not a conceptual framework. It is common policy for many of the large American corporations, and many of us have been hurt significantly by it. it is one of the things as a Democrat the troubles me about my party
  • mookieblalockmookieblalock Posts: 3,351
    mcgruff10 said:
    I remember a professor I had said people will always vote their wallets and I think this is exactly what happened here.  Prices are out of control; hopefully President Trump fulfills his promise of bringing prices back down.  
    The only way prices come down is to abandon capitalism. If anyone believes corporations are going to willingly cut prices on good and services and lower their quarterly earnings, especially when raising prices is what has been driving corporate revenue the past 3-4 years, well they have another thing coming. You may see prices on goods level out some over the next year or two, but that would happen under either party. We’ll never see prices get back to where they were pre-COVID. That’s a reality,
    Don’t agree with abandoning capitalism, but I’ve said to my wife for years that when prices became highly inflated during the pandemic, corporations were never going to willingly lower them again.

    i remember vividly during the pandemic the price of chicken wings being insanely high. Then I saw on the news a year or 2 later than supply, etc normalized and bulk prices returned to pre covid levels….

    BUT restaurants never reduced their menu prices and haven’t. And they never will. Inflation is high, largely because of corporate greed. Accept that. 
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,564
    You know I have concerns about a lot of things.  I know Trump will do crazy things.  I do worry about my retirement, inflation if tariffs out of control and if so-called trump tax breaks will raise my taxes again.

    But the first thought in my head is how awful it must feel if you are Ukrainian.  You are likely to be abandoned and Trump will allow his daddy to steal land....crazy.
    And what happens if China goes for Taiwan
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  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,482
    mcgruff10 said:
    I remember a professor I had said people will always vote their wallets and I think this is exactly what happened here.  Prices are out of control; hopefully President Trump fulfills his promise of bringing prices back down.  
    The only way prices come down is to abandon capitalism. If anyone believes corporations are going to willingly cut prices on good and services and lower their quarterly earnings, especially when raising prices is what has been driving corporate revenue the past 3-4 years, well they have another thing coming. You may see prices on goods level out some over the next year or two, but that would happen under either party. We’ll never see prices get back to where they were pre-COVID. That’s a reality,
    Don’t agree with abandoning capitalism, but I’ve said to my wife for years that when prices became highly inflated during the pandemic, corporations were never going to willingly lower them again.

    i remember vividly during the pandemic the price of chicken wings being insanely high. Then I saw on the news a year or 2 later than supply, etc normalized and bulk prices returned to pre covid levels….

    BUT restaurants never reduced their menu prices and haven’t. And they never will. Inflation is high, largely because of corporate greed. Accept that. 
    Not only that about menu prices, but it seems like the tip percent keeps creeping up.
    Several times I've eaten out and the suggested options were started over 20%.

  • bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 16,025
    mcgruff10 said:
    I remember a professor I had said people will always vote their wallets and I think this is exactly what happened here.  Prices are out of control; hopefully President Trump fulfills his promise of bringing prices back down.  
    The only way prices come down is to abandon capitalism. If anyone believes corporations are going to willingly cut prices on good and services and lower their quarterly earnings, especially when raising prices is what has been driving corporate revenue the past 3-4 years, well they have another thing coming. You may see prices on goods level out some over the next year or two, but that would happen under either party. We’ll never see prices get back to where they were pre-COVID. That’s a reality,
    Don’t agree with abandoning capitalism, but I’ve said to my wife for years that when prices became highly inflated during the pandemic, corporations were never going to willingly lower them again.

    i remember vividly during the pandemic the price of chicken wings being insanely high. Then I saw on the news a year or 2 later than supply, etc normalized and bulk prices returned to pre covid levels….

    BUT restaurants never reduced their menu prices and haven’t. And they never will. Inflation is high, largely because of corporate greed. Accept that. 
    100%.   Not just corporate greed though.  Individual greed.  Mahomes thinks he deserves $500M for throwing a football.  Raises price of tickets, concessions, tv deals, etc….  Trickles its way down the chain. 

    Not calling out Mahomes.  Just the crazy margins people/businesses expect to make.  
  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 11,578
    You know I have concerns about a lot of things.  I know Trump will do crazy things.  I do worry about my retirement, inflation if tariffs out of control and if so-called trump tax breaks will raise my taxes again.

    But the first thought in my head is how awful it must feel if you are Ukrainian.  You are likely to be abandoned and Trump will allow his daddy to steal land....crazy.
    The situation in Eastern Europe is far & away my biggest concern... when Russia takes Ukraine, (which is likely to happen at this point,) they aren't stopping there. 

    I think the odds of WWIII in our near future are way higher now, but alas. 
  • mookieblalockmookieblalock Posts: 3,351
    mace1229 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    I remember a professor I had said people will always vote their wallets and I think this is exactly what happened here.  Prices are out of control; hopefully President Trump fulfills his promise of bringing prices back down.  
    The only way prices come down is to abandon capitalism. If anyone believes corporations are going to willingly cut prices on good and services and lower their quarterly earnings, especially when raising prices is what has been driving corporate revenue the past 3-4 years, well they have another thing coming. You may see prices on goods level out some over the next year or two, but that would happen under either party. We’ll never see prices get back to where they were pre-COVID. That’s a reality,
    Don’t agree with abandoning capitalism, but I’ve said to my wife for years that when prices became highly inflated during the pandemic, corporations were never going to willingly lower them again.

    i remember vividly during the pandemic the price of chicken wings being insanely high. Then I saw on the news a year or 2 later than supply, etc normalized and bulk prices returned to pre covid levels….

    BUT restaurants never reduced their menu prices and haven’t. And they never will. Inflation is high, largely because of corporate greed. Accept that. 
    Not only that about menu prices, but it seems like the tip percent keeps creeping up.
    Several times I've eaten out and the suggested options were started over 20%.

    Yes, it’s greed everywhere. I live in NY and in 2019 the state minimum wage went from $7.25 to $15. The menu prices skyrocketed to cover the cost for the business, but I am still required to tip 20/%. Now there is going to be no tax on worker tips but again…prices will remain. Nobody is going to give money back. Ever.
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,564
    You know I have concerns about a lot of things.  I know Trump will do crazy things.  I do worry about my retirement, inflation if tariffs out of control and if so-called trump tax breaks will raise my taxes again.

    But the first thought in my head is how awful it must feel if you are Ukrainian.  You are likely to be abandoned and Trump will allow his daddy to steal land....crazy.
    The situation in Eastern Europe is far & away my biggest concern... when Russia takes Ukraine, (which is likely to happen at this point,) they aren't stopping there. 

    I think the odds of WWIII in our near future are way higher now, but alas. 
    Will be a tad tougher to attack a NATO-country, EU-country or frankly a country "Europeans consider to be European". 
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  • tbergstbergs Posts: 9,876
    Hobbes said:
    So 2-3% of people that voted for Biden now vote for Trump and it is racist and misogynistic that Kamala lost?  I could see if 30% of the people that voted for Biden switched to Kamala.

    Trump won because people thought he would do better with the economy, would better control illegal immigration, and would slow the advance of ultra woke policies.  

    Those are your reasons that Trump won.   Sure, Trump may be terrible at those things, but people vote on their perceptions of reality.  So Dems need to stop saying they lose because of racism and misogyny, and work harder to convince voters that they are better in these areas.
    As someone in the UK who isn't close to US policies,  what's are examples of 'ultra woke policies'?  Just curious.
    DEi and CRT.  Diversity Equity and Inclusion, Critical Race Theory.
    One is a conceptual framework and the other is an academic field. Neither are policies. Try again.

    I am not sure what your point is on DEI. it is not a conceptual framework. It is common policy for many of the large American corporations, and many of us have been hurt significantly by it. it is one of the things as a Democrat the troubles me about my party
    I think the people who worry about it the most, have no idea what it is. Where I work, our "client" base is 60% diverse, but the staff make-up is less than 15% diverse. DEI isn't taking jobs from white men and handing them to less qualified candidates, it's creating initiatives to reach often overlooked and under represented populations to expand the applicant pool. I've never once been forced to hire a diverse candidate over a more qualified and better experienced non diverse candidate. I have had to repost because our pool was shit, but DEI isn't forcing me to hire someone. If that's happening where you work, that's wrong and wouldn't be a place I would continue working at.

    I think the heart of the issue is that we (as a society) are more inclined to hire someone who looks like us and is someone we can relate to because it makes us feel comfortable. It's an ingrained unconscious bias. The right wants to call people "woke" who recognize this unconscious bias because it means accepting some level of responsibility to why race and gender issues still exist at the level they do. I think acknowledging them is the first step towards finding a solution and actively trying to make a change. 
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 11,578
    edited November 6
    tbergs said:
    Hobbes said:
    So 2-3% of people that voted for Biden now vote for Trump and it is racist and misogynistic that Kamala lost?  I could see if 30% of the people that voted for Biden switched to Kamala.

    Trump won because people thought he would do better with the economy, would better control illegal immigration, and would slow the advance of ultra woke policies.  

    Those are your reasons that Trump won.   Sure, Trump may be terrible at those things, but people vote on their perceptions of reality.  So Dems need to stop saying they lose because of racism and misogyny, and work harder to convince voters that they are better in these areas.
    As someone in the UK who isn't close to US policies,  what's are examples of 'ultra woke policies'?  Just curious.
    DEi and CRT.  Diversity Equity and Inclusion, Critical Race Theory.
    One is a conceptual framework and the other is an academic field. Neither are policies. Try again.

    I am not sure what your point is on DEI. it is not a conceptual framework. It is common policy for many of the large American corporations, and many of us have been hurt significantly by it. it is one of the things as a Democrat the troubles me about my party
    I think the people who worry about it the most, have no idea what it is. 
    Same for CRT.
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,491
    Hobbes said:
    Hobbes said:
    So 2-3% of people that voted for Biden now vote for Trump and it is racist and misogynistic that Kamala lost?  I could see if 30% of the people that voted for Biden switched to Kamala.

    Trump won because people thought he would do better with the economy, would better control illegal immigration, and would slow the advance of ultra woke policies.  

    Those are your reasons that Trump won.   Sure, Trump may be terrible at those things, but people vote on their perceptions of reality.  So Dems need to stop saying they lose because of racism and misogyny, and work harder to convince voters that they are better in these areas.
    As someone in the UK who isn't close to US policies,  what's are examples of 'ultra woke policies'?  Just curious.
    DEi and CRT.  Diversity Equity and Inclusion, Critical Race Theory.
    One is a conceptual framework and the other is an academic field. Neither are policies. Try again.
    If you don't think that is what people are afraid of then you need to read up more. Had to google them? Thats exactly what comes up as answers if u do.  Good on you!
    I've read up plenty. Familiar with the language. Seems you had to google them, though. Good on you!
    I was curious about the language you used is why, lol!  I am also familiar with them, I started a thread on one. but yeah, u plagiarized.  Its ok.
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,488
    mace1229 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    I remember a professor I had said people will always vote their wallets and I think this is exactly what happened here.  Prices are out of control; hopefully President Trump fulfills his promise of bringing prices back down.  
    The only way prices come down is to abandon capitalism. If anyone believes corporations are going to willingly cut prices on good and services and lower their quarterly earnings, especially when raising prices is what has been driving corporate revenue the past 3-4 years, well they have another thing coming. You may see prices on goods level out some over the next year or two, but that would happen under either party. We’ll never see prices get back to where they were pre-COVID. That’s a reality,
    Don’t agree with abandoning capitalism, but I’ve said to my wife for years that when prices became highly inflated during the pandemic, corporations were never going to willingly lower them again.

    i remember vividly during the pandemic the price of chicken wings being insanely high. Then I saw on the news a year or 2 later than supply, etc normalized and bulk prices returned to pre covid levels….

    BUT restaurants never reduced their menu prices and haven’t. And they never will. Inflation is high, largely because of corporate greed. Accept that. 
    Not only that about menu prices, but it seems like the tip percent keeps creeping up.
    Several times I've eaten out and the suggested options were started over 20%.

    Yes, it’s greed everywhere. I live in NY and in 2019 the state minimum wage went from $7.25 to $15. The menu prices skyrocketed to cover the cost for the business, but I am still required to tip 20/%. Now there is going to be no tax on worker tips but again…prices will remain. Nobody is going to give money back. Ever.
    If there is no tax on tips, I'm taking that $ back and tipping less.
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 37,342
    pjl44 said:
    When people ask "how did this happen?". Tell them it was men.
    White, older, "christian" men who never attended college.
    They see themselves in his hatred.

    And yes clearly white women and latinos are part of the equation but his overwhelming support came from white men. 

    They should all be ashamed for supporting so much fear, hatred, ignorance, and lies.
    This is not at all borne out in the exit polling and would qualify as disinformation 
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,491
    Hobbes said:
    So 2-3% of people that voted for Biden now vote for Trump and it is racist and misogynistic that Kamala lost?  I could see if 30% of the people that voted for Biden switched to Kamala.

    Trump won because people thought he would do better with the economy, would better control illegal immigration, and would slow the advance of ultra woke policies.  

    Those are your reasons that Trump won.   Sure, Trump may be terrible at those things, but people vote on their perceptions of reality.  So Dems need to stop saying they lose because of racism and misogyny, and work harder to convince voters that they are better in these areas.
    As someone in the UK who isn't close to US policies,  what's are examples of 'ultra woke policies'?  Just curious.
    DEi and CRT.  Diversity Equity and Inclusion, Critical Race Theory.
    One is a conceptual framework and the other is an academic field. Neither are policies. Try again.

    I am not sure what your point is on DEI. it is not a conceptual framework. It is common policy for many of the large American corporations, and many of us have been hurt significantly by it. it is one of the things as a Democrat the troubles me about my party
    Policies that companies put in place.  Exactly.
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,491
    mcgruff10 said:
    I remember a professor I had said people will always vote their wallets and I think this is exactly what happened here.  Prices are out of control; hopefully President Trump fulfills his promise of bringing prices back down.  
    The only way prices come down is to abandon capitalism. If anyone believes corporations are going to willingly cut prices on good and services and lower their quarterly earnings, especially when raising prices is what has been driving corporate revenue the past 3-4 years, well they have another thing coming. You may see prices on goods level out some over the next year or two, but that would happen under either party. We’ll never see prices get back to where they were pre-COVID. That’s a reality,
    Don’t agree with abandoning capitalism, but I’ve said to my wife for years that when prices became highly inflated during the pandemic, corporations were never going to willingly lower them again.

    i remember vividly during the pandemic the price of chicken wings being insanely high. Then I saw on the news a year or 2 later than supply, etc normalized and bulk prices returned to pre covid levels….

    BUT restaurants never reduced their menu prices and haven’t. And they never will. Inflation is high, largely because of corporate greed. Accept that. 
    This is something we talked about in the FED thread.  ALL the car companies have left prices high and supply low as they see they can and make more profits that way.  The "supply chain" for the most part was bullshit too.
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 37,342
    So 2-3% of people that voted for Biden now vote for Trump and it is racist and misogynistic that Kamala lost?  I could see if 30% of the people that voted for Biden switched to Kamala.

    Trump won because people thought he would do better with the economy, would better control illegal immigration, and would slow the advance of ultra woke policies.  

    Those are your reasons that Trump won.   Sure, Trump may be terrible at those things, but people vote on their perceptions of reality.  So Dems need to stop saying they lose because of racism and misogyny, and work harder to convince voters that they are better in these areas.
    As someone in the UK who isn't close to US policies,  what's are examples of 'ultra woke policies'?  Just curious.
    DEi and CRT.  Diversity Equity and Inclusion, Critical Race Theory.
    really? I was just going to answer and say that it is likely things that the right manufactured and here we are
    DEI and CRT are just fancy ways of saying racism against whites. 

    Racism will not be tolerated any longer in this country. The Obama era is over.
    Are you 12 years old
    The average maturity/intelligence of your maga voter. Racism against whites. My god the stupid. 
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  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,194
    edited November 6
    Inflation was the biggest driver. I think "Trans Women in Sports" was a close second with the border 3rd. Harris did a terrible job of really addressing any of those, but given the economy, I don't think the party had a chance. As Project 2025 moves into implementation with the backing of the most party-loyal federal court system in US history, some people may regret their vote. By then it will be too late. Even an optimistic Dem/lib has to recognize that the next people to experience a balanced court system have not even been born yet.

    This necessary downturn Elon has mentioned will probably come from a very swift firing of a million or so federal employees. Further, I'm not a federal employee but am one of several hundred thousand likely to end up unemployed in 2025 or 2026.

    We're not really going to have a functioning federal government, which is part of the appeal. Trump is no longer surrounded by so many normies/establishment (depending on your POV). It's all people that want to make a big splash against wokeness, government spending, secularism, and feminism. They don't actually care about running an efficient government. They care about getting rich and, to an extent, destroying the government. I guess their contempt for federal employees will be accepted since they're lazy government workers. But Elon's one-size-fits-all belief in slashing staff is going to cause a lot of problems for the way the federal government operates along with a big spike in unemployment. He's about to become the most powerful non-governmental figure in US history.
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,491
    tbergs said:
    Hobbes said:
    So 2-3% of people that voted for Biden now vote for Trump and it is racist and misogynistic that Kamala lost?  I could see if 30% of the people that voted for Biden switched to Kamala.

    Trump won because people thought he would do better with the economy, would better control illegal immigration, and would slow the advance of ultra woke policies.  

    Those are your reasons that Trump won.   Sure, Trump may be terrible at those things, but people vote on their perceptions of reality.  So Dems need to stop saying they lose because of racism and misogyny, and work harder to convince voters that they are better in these areas.
    As someone in the UK who isn't close to US policies,  what's are examples of 'ultra woke policies'?  Just curious.
    DEi and CRT.  Diversity Equity and Inclusion, Critical Race Theory.
    One is a conceptual framework and the other is an academic field. Neither are policies. Try again.

    I am not sure what your point is on DEI. it is not a conceptual framework. It is common policy for many of the large American corporations, and many of us have been hurt significantly by it. it is one of the things as a Democrat the troubles me about my party
    I think the people who worry about it the most, have no idea what it is. Where I work, our "client" base is 60% diverse, but the staff make-up is less than 15% diverse. DEI isn't taking jobs from white men and handing them to less qualified candidates, it's creating initiatives to reach often overlooked and under represented populations to expand the applicant pool. I've never once been forced to hire a diverse candidate over a more qualified and better experienced non diverse candidate. I have had to repost because our pool was shit, but DEI isn't forcing me to hire someone. If that's happening where you work, that's wrong and wouldn't be a place I would continue working at.

    I think the heart of the issue is that we (as a society) are more inclined to hire someone who looks like us and is someone we can relate to because it makes us feel comfortable. It's an ingrained unconscious bias. The right wants to call people "woke" who recognize this unconscious bias because it means accepting some level of responsibility to why race and gender issues still exist at the level they do. I think acknowledging them is the first step towards finding a solution and actively trying to make a change. 
    DEI is basically becoming a melting pot.  If it is forced like affirmative action(not that it has) people lose their minds.  It promotes diversity.  I just don't think diversity expectations can be met in all factors of the workplace and like you said, it's not taking anyone's proposition of a job but that is what people believe.

    Example on where it sometimes doesn't work, FDNY.  They have been trying for years to get them more diversified and for whatever reason minorities have less of a desire to become firemen. That may still be race laced though but they have tried.
  • 23scidoo23scidoo Thessaloniki,Greece Posts: 19,316
    battle1 said:
    bootleg said:
    brianlux said:
    bootleg said:
    It all just seems so irrational to me.  I want it to make sense on some level but I can’t find it.  This fucking guy? 

    Yeah, same hear.  I keep wishing someone would shake me and wake me up.  Is this real?  It's absolutely embarrassing.  How is it that there are actually that many shortsighted, hateful, unimaginative, stupid people in this country?  How did they get that way?  And I'm not saying this to be a dick.  I really wonder about these things.
    I don’t want to call people stupid but it really does feel like we’ve begun to devolve and aren’t able to think critically about issues anymore.  Sometimes I wish I was just able to walk around aloof and without a care about the world around me.
     take yourself up on the last sentence.  You aren't changing anything.  You are lucky to be in the greatest country on Earth what is so wrong with that? 
    ''the greatest country on Earth''..thats a good one, lol..
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  • ChoccoloccotideChoccoloccotide A grass shack nailed to a pinewood floor Posts: 1,095
    Just think for a minute.  If the dems wouldn’t have cheated in 2020, Trump would only have 2 months left to be President.  Now he’ll be in the Oval till 2029.  How does that feel?
    lol...so why didn't they cheat this time? Why give up the oval? Why give up the senate? 

    Comments like this are laughable. I needed that.
    We swamped the vote.  To big to rig.
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,564
    tbergs said:
    #New exit poll - Latino voters  

    2020 - Biden +41  
    2024 - Harris +4

     CNN
    Those damn white supremacist Latinos.  
    Sexist would the correct assessment of why the huge swing.
    So why didn't she get a single delegate in the 2020 primary? Was the democratic electorate racist or sexist? Or did they know that she a terrible candidate even then? 
    They tried to make Kamala happen (and did as good a job they could with it). But I think all the "Joy" and stuff felt shallow to people because all she was, was "not Trump". Most people who in the end voted D did it because they didn't want Trump more than being swayed by Kamala. She doesn't have that Obama, Bill or Trump charisma. Or even Tim Waltz or Joe Biden (when he was snappier) charisma. Or AOC. 
    Or even your boy Bernie Sanders. 

    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,564
    Just think for a minute.  If the dems wouldn’t have cheated in 2020, Trump would only have 2 months left to be President.  Now he’ll be in the Oval till 2029.  How does that feel?
    lol...so why didn't they cheat this time? Why give up the oval? Why give up the senate? 

    Comments like this are laughable. I needed that.
    We swamped the vote.  To big to rig.
    do you believe in climate change?
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 20,645
    Just think for a minute.  If the dems wouldn’t have cheated in 2020, Trump would only have 2 months left to be President.  Now he’ll be in the Oval till 2029.  How does that feel?
    lol...so why didn't they cheat this time? Why give up the oval? Why give up the senate? 

    Comments like this are laughable. I needed that.
    We swamped the vote.  To big to rig.
    I'm still laughing...thanks
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 37,342
    Just think for a minute.  If the dems wouldn’t have cheated in 2020, Trump would only have 2 months left to be President.  Now he’ll be in the Oval till 2029.  How does that feel?
    lol...so why didn't they cheat this time? Why give up the oval? Why give up the senate? 

    Comments like this are laughable. I needed that.
    We swamped the vote.  To big to rig.
    Swamped the vote? At the current count he didn’t reach what he had in 2020. 
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  • ChoccoloccotideChoccoloccotide A grass shack nailed to a pinewood floor Posts: 1,095
    What happened to those 20 million voters in 2020?  Did they die from COVID?
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