Without Trump as the head you’ll see splintered MAGA. They may coalesce around a candidate around election time, but the movement will lose steam without him at the controls. His cult of personality really drives excitement in the movement (and as we’ve seen this year, even that excitement is starting to dwindle). It’s changed conservatism for a generation, but it’s not a permanent feature.
Correct.
Either way, the nominee, while still likely horrible, will not be a lunatic so we won't have to bother with ridiculous bullshit like muting the microphones during debates.
That’s what makes it so dangerous. They’ll appear, speak, act, behave “normal.” But their policy proposals, vision of government and treatment of the other will be all MAGA
Yeah, bud. We're talking about having a debate here.
Also....a non lunatic version of Trump, in my opinion, loses a large portion the lunatic maga base--but that is a different conversation all together. Simply talking about being able to hold normal debates again.
Without Trump as the head you’ll see splintered MAGA. They may coalesce around a candidate around election time, but the movement will lose steam without him at the controls. His cult of personality really drives excitement in the movement (and as we’ve seen this year, even that excitement is starting to dwindle). It’s changed conservatism for a generation, but it’s not a permanent feature.
POOTWH and his deplorable family will be the spokespeople and puppet masters, until like in The Omen, the last one is no longer around.
At a certain point the big money people from the GOP will want to not lose and try to seize the reigns back. They tried that with DeSantis at the beginning of his run. But the allure of Trump to conservative low information types was still too strong.
Without Trump as the head you’ll see splintered MAGA. They may coalesce around a candidate around election time, but the movement will lose steam without him at the controls. His cult of personality really drives excitement in the movement (and as we’ve seen this year, even that excitement is starting to dwindle). It’s changed conservatism for a generation, but it’s not a permanent feature.
Correct.
Either way, the nominee, while still likely horrible, will not be a lunatic so we won't have to bother with ridiculous bullshit like muting the microphones during debates.
That’s what makes it so dangerous. They’ll appear, speak, act, behave “normal.” But their policy proposals, vision of government and treatment of the other will be all MAGA
Yeah, bud. We're talking about having a debate here.
Also....a non lunatic version of Trump, in my opinion, loses a large portion the lunatic maga base--but that is a different conversation all together. Simply talking about being able to hold normal debates again.
I know what we’re discussing, Chip. A polished POS with MAGA policies is still a POS, with non-muted mics. Look at Darth Cheney. Sounded, looked and acted reasonable but below the exterior, evil. There will be no going back to “normal,” whatever your perception of “normal” is.
Without Trump as the head you’ll see splintered MAGA. They may coalesce around a candidate around election time, but the movement will lose steam without him at the controls. His cult of personality really drives excitement in the movement (and as we’ve seen this year, even that excitement is starting to dwindle). It’s changed conservatism for a generation, but it’s not a permanent feature.
POOTWH and his deplorable family will be the spokespeople and puppet masters, until like in The Omen, the last one is no longer around.
At a certain point the big money people from the GOP will want to not lose and try to seize the reigns back. They tried that with DeSantis at the beginning of his run. But the allure of Trump to conservative low information types was still too strong.
Repub candidates can’t jettison 35% of the repub base. The conservative big money people are on board with MAGA and know they have to placate the base to get their candidates in. The “normal” will be the Deathsantis and Lil Marco types with the same Project 2025 vision. Rather than Hannibal, sharks and electric boats it’ll be rallies and debates with dog whistles and some polite put downs and a big smile.
Without Trump as the head you’ll see splintered MAGA. They may coalesce around a candidate around election time, but the movement will lose steam without him at the controls. His cult of personality really drives excitement in the movement (and as we’ve seen this year, even that excitement is starting to dwindle). It’s changed conservatism for a generation, but it’s not a permanent feature.
Correct.
Either way, the nominee, while still likely horrible, will not be a lunatic so we won't have to bother with ridiculous bullshit like muting the microphones during debates.
That’s what makes it so dangerous. They’ll appear, speak, act, behave “normal.” But their policy proposals, vision of government and treatment of the other will be all MAGA
Yeah, bud. We're talking about having a debate here.
Also....a non lunatic version of Trump, in my opinion, loses a large portion the lunatic maga base--but that is a different conversation all together. Simply talking about being able to hold normal debates again.
I know what we’re discussing, Chip. A polished POS with MAGA policies is still a POS, with non-muted mics. Look at Darth Cheney. Sounded, looked and acted reasonable but below the exterior, evil. There will be no going back to “normal,” whatever your perception of “normal” is.
I don't think you do.
Literally just talking about the ability to hold a debate without having an argument about stupid shit like a mute button....not the fact that a more polished maga might actually be more dangerous than Trump.
Without Trump as the head you’ll see splintered MAGA. They may coalesce around a candidate around election time, but the movement will lose steam without him at the controls. His cult of personality really drives excitement in the movement (and as we’ve seen this year, even that excitement is starting to dwindle). It’s changed conservatism for a generation, but it’s not a permanent feature.
POOTWH and his deplorable family will be the spokespeople and puppet masters, until like in The Omen, the last one is no longer around.
At a certain point the big money people from the GOP will want to not lose and try to seize the reigns back. They tried that with DeSantis at the beginning of his run. But the allure of Trump to conservative low information types was still too strong.
Repub candidates can’t jettison 35% of the repub base. The conservative big money people are on board with MAGA and know they have to placate the base to get their candidates in. The “normal” will be the Deathsantis and Lil Marco types with the same Project 2025 vision. Rather than Hannibal, sharks and electric boats it’ll be rallies and debates with dog whistles and some polite put downs and a big smile.
You're underestimating the cult of personality factor. Trump means more to these people than anything else. You lose him, that base will splinter.
The "Maga Copycat" candidates seem to do much worse than the OG - see Blake Masters, Doug Mastriano, etc.
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Without Trump as the head you’ll see splintered MAGA. They may coalesce around a candidate around election time, but the movement will lose steam without him at the controls. His cult of personality really drives excitement in the movement (and as we’ve seen this year, even that excitement is starting to dwindle). It’s changed conservatism for a generation, but it’s not a permanent feature.
Correct.
Either way, the nominee, while still likely horrible, will not be a lunatic so we won't have to bother with ridiculous bullshit like muting the microphones during debates.
That’s what makes it so dangerous. They’ll appear, speak, act, behave “normal.” But their policy proposals, vision of government and treatment of the other will be all MAGA
Yeah, bud. We're talking about having a debate here.
Also....a non lunatic version of Trump, in my opinion, loses a large portion the lunatic maga base--but that is a different conversation all together. Simply talking about being able to hold normal debates again.
I know what we’re discussing, Chip. A polished POS with MAGA policies is still a POS, with non-muted mics. Look at Darth Cheney. Sounded, looked and acted reasonable but below the exterior, evil. There will be no going back to “normal,” whatever your perception of “normal” is.
I don't think you do.
Literally just talking about the ability to hold a debate without having an argument about stupid shit like a mute button....not the fact that a more polished maga might actually be more dangerous than Trump.
POOTWH has effectively broken all of the previous POTUS campaign protocols. Arguments over mute buttons will be included after arguments over which network hosts, which talking head is a moderator, format, questions, audience/no audience, walk around and stalk your opponent, etc., etc., etc. Debates are now WWF style and FU (general you, not you personally), I’m taking my message directly to the people via rallies, podcasts, social media, AI, etc.
Gonna be a long time before you see “normal” again, Bunky. A very long time.
Debate negations are things that happen at every debate. I think there will stop being stories about the debate negations (well, other than maybe just mentions and asides) after Trump because hes a big baby.
I think if Desantis were the nominee, yes you'd have that MAGAness in message, but it would be more akin to the republican demeanor of old in terms of how they present and convey it to the public.
Without Trump as the head you’ll see splintered MAGA. They may coalesce around a candidate around election time, but the movement will lose steam without him at the controls. His cult of personality really drives excitement in the movement (and as we’ve seen this year, even that excitement is starting to dwindle). It’s changed conservatism for a generation, but it’s not a permanent feature.
Correct.
Either way, the nominee, while still likely horrible, will not be a lunatic so we won't have to bother with ridiculous bullshit like muting the microphones during debates.
That’s what makes it so dangerous. They’ll appear, speak, act, behave “normal.” But their policy proposals, vision of government and treatment of the other will be all MAGA
Yeah, bud. We're talking about having a debate here.
Also....a non lunatic version of Trump, in my opinion, loses a large portion the lunatic maga base--but that is a different conversation all together. Simply talking about being able to hold normal debates again.
I know what we’re discussing, Chip. A polished POS with MAGA policies is still a POS, with non-muted mics. Look at Darth Cheney. Sounded, looked and acted reasonable but below the exterior, evil. There will be no going back to “normal,” whatever your perception of “normal” is.
I don't think you do.
Literally just talking about the ability to hold a debate without having an argument about stupid shit like a mute button....not the fact that a more polished maga might actually be more dangerous than Trump.
POOTWH has effectively broken all of the previous POTUS campaign protocols. Arguments over mute buttons will be included after arguments over which network hosts, which talking head is a moderator, format, questions, audience/no audience, walk around and stalk your opponent, etc., etc., etc. Debates are now WWF style and FU (general you, not you personally), I’m taking my message directly to the people via rallies, podcasts, social media, AI, etc.
Gonna be a long time before you see “normal” again, Bunky. A very long time.
Yeah....no..
Pretty much everything you are mentioning are normal things to negotiate during a debate.
Go look at any of Ron Desantis' previous debates, including the one he did with Newsome. They're all normal.
The days of catering to a 78 year old man child will be over once maga is defeated.
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you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Without Trump as the head you’ll see splintered MAGA. They may coalesce around a candidate around election time, but the movement will lose steam without him at the controls. His cult of personality really drives excitement in the movement (and as we’ve seen this year, even that excitement is starting to dwindle). It’s changed conservatism for a generation, but it’s not a permanent feature.
Correct.
Either way, the nominee, while still likely horrible, will not be a lunatic so we won't have to bother with ridiculous bullshit like muting the microphones during debates.
That’s what makes it so dangerous. They’ll appear, speak, act, behave “normal.” But their policy proposals, vision of government and treatment of the other will be all MAGA
Yeah, bud. We're talking about having a debate here.
Also....a non lunatic version of Trump, in my opinion, loses a large portion the lunatic maga base--but that is a different conversation all together. Simply talking about being able to hold normal debates again.
I know what we’re discussing, Chip. A polished POS with MAGA policies is still a POS, with non-muted mics. Look at Darth Cheney. Sounded, looked and acted reasonable but below the exterior, evil. There will be no going back to “normal,” whatever your perception of “normal” is.
Speaking of that rat fuck Cheney, I watched Vice again the other day. Still a great movie with great performances. I followed it up by watching the movie that delves into the backstory about Valerie Plame (the CIA operative Cheney fucked over because her spouse, Joe Wilson, was calling bullshit on WMD). Everyone who has lost perspective on the Cheneys should watch those and then they can reiterate the Jon Stewart assessment, fuck you Dick Cheney.
Without Trump as the head you’ll see splintered MAGA. They may coalesce around a candidate around election time, but the movement will lose steam without him at the controls. His cult of personality really drives excitement in the movement (and as we’ve seen this year, even that excitement is starting to dwindle). It’s changed conservatism for a generation, but it’s not a permanent feature.
Correct.
Either way, the nominee, while still likely horrible, will not be a lunatic so we won't have to bother with ridiculous bullshit like muting the microphones during debates.
That’s what makes it so dangerous. They’ll appear, speak, act, behave “normal.” But their policy proposals, vision of government and treatment of the other will be all MAGA
Yeah, bud. We're talking about having a debate here.
Also....a non lunatic version of Trump, in my opinion, loses a large portion the lunatic maga base--but that is a different conversation all together. Simply talking about being able to hold normal debates again.
I know what we’re discussing, Chip. A polished POS with MAGA policies is still a POS, with non-muted mics. Look at Darth Cheney. Sounded, looked and acted reasonable but below the exterior, evil. There will be no going back to “normal,” whatever your perception of “normal” is.
Speaking of that rat fuck Cheney, I watched Vice again the other day. Still a great movie with great performances. I followed it up by watching the movie that delves into the backstory about Valerie Plame (the CIA operative Cheney fucked over because her spouse, Joe Wilson, was calling bullshit on WMD). Everyone who has lost perspective on the Cheneys should watch those and then they can reiterate the Jon Stewart assessment, fuck you Dick Cheney.
I get it...but still, he came out against trump. Major props are in order.
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Without Trump as the head you’ll see splintered MAGA. They may coalesce around a candidate around election time, but the movement will lose steam without him at the controls. His cult of personality really drives excitement in the movement (and as we’ve seen this year, even that excitement is starting to dwindle). It’s changed conservatism for a generation, but it’s not a permanent feature.
Correct.
Either way, the nominee, while still likely horrible, will not be a lunatic so we won't have to bother with ridiculous bullshit like muting the microphones during debates.
That’s what makes it so dangerous. They’ll appear, speak, act, behave “normal.” But their policy proposals, vision of government and treatment of the other will be all MAGA
Yeah, bud. We're talking about having a debate here.
Also....a non lunatic version of Trump, in my opinion, loses a large portion the lunatic maga base--but that is a different conversation all together. Simply talking about being able to hold normal debates again.
I know what we’re discussing, Chip. A polished POS with MAGA policies is still a POS, with non-muted mics. Look at Darth Cheney. Sounded, looked and acted reasonable but below the exterior, evil. There will be no going back to “normal,” whatever your perception of “normal” is.
Speaking of that rat fuck Cheney, I watched Vice again the other day. Still a great movie with great performances. I followed it up by watching the movie that delves into the backstory about Valerie Plame (the CIA operative Cheney fucked over because her spouse, Joe Wilson, was calling bullshit on WMD). Everyone who has lost perspective on the Cheneys should watch those and then they can reiterate the Jon Stewart assessment, fuck you Dick Cheney.
I get it...but still, he came out against trump. Major props are in order.
Cheney is a war mongorer. His business is and was war. The Democrats are the party of war(s) now, like it or not. No surprise he’s supporting the party supplying billions of dollars of weapons to Ukraine and Israel. I’m sure he’s still getting his cut.
Without Trump as the head you’ll see splintered MAGA. They may coalesce around a candidate around election time, but the movement will lose steam without him at the controls. His cult of personality really drives excitement in the movement (and as we’ve seen this year, even that excitement is starting to dwindle). It’s changed conservatism for a generation, but it’s not a permanent feature.
Correct.
Either way, the nominee, while still likely horrible, will not be a lunatic so we won't have to bother with ridiculous bullshit like muting the microphones during debates.
That’s what makes it so dangerous. They’ll appear, speak, act, behave “normal.” But their policy proposals, vision of government and treatment of the other will be all MAGA
Yeah, bud. We're talking about having a debate here.
Also....a non lunatic version of Trump, in my opinion, loses a large portion the lunatic maga base--but that is a different conversation all together. Simply talking about being able to hold normal debates again.
I know what we’re discussing, Chip. A polished POS with MAGA policies is still a POS, with non-muted mics. Look at Darth Cheney. Sounded, looked and acted reasonable but below the exterior, evil. There will be no going back to “normal,” whatever your perception of “normal” is.
Speaking of that rat fuck Cheney, I watched Vice again the other day. Still a great movie with great performances. I followed it up by watching the movie that delves into the backstory about Valerie Plame (the CIA operative Cheney fucked over because her spouse, Joe Wilson, was calling bullshit on WMD). Everyone who has lost perspective on the Cheneys should watch those and then they can reiterate the Jon Stewart assessment, fuck you Dick Cheney.
I get it...but still, he came out against trump. Major props are in order.
No, no they're not. No props to him for anything ever. This is him thinking his opinion matters and that people care. It's self-serving and that's it. I understand your point, but no, the response he should be getting is fuck you, no one cares about what you think. Go away and die in silence.
I'd liken this to 20 years from now, Trump endorsing a Democrat. Nope, fuck all the way off.
Without Trump as the head you’ll see splintered MAGA. They may coalesce around a candidate around election time, but the movement will lose steam without him at the controls. His cult of personality really drives excitement in the movement (and as we’ve seen this year, even that excitement is starting to dwindle). It’s changed conservatism for a generation, but it’s not a permanent feature.
Correct.
Either way, the nominee, while still likely horrible, will not be a lunatic so we won't have to bother with ridiculous bullshit like muting the microphones during debates.
That’s what makes it so dangerous. They’ll appear, speak, act, behave “normal.” But their policy proposals, vision of government and treatment of the other will be all MAGA
Yeah, bud. We're talking about having a debate here.
Also....a non lunatic version of Trump, in my opinion, loses a large portion the lunatic maga base--but that is a different conversation all together. Simply talking about being able to hold normal debates again.
I know what we’re discussing, Chip. A polished POS with MAGA policies is still a POS, with non-muted mics. Look at Darth Cheney. Sounded, looked and acted reasonable but below the exterior, evil. There will be no going back to “normal,” whatever your perception of “normal” is.
I don't think you do.
Literally just talking about the ability to hold a debate without having an argument about stupid shit like a mute button....not the fact that a more polished maga might actually be more dangerous than Trump.
POOTWH has effectively broken all of the previous POTUS campaign protocols. Arguments over mute buttons will be included after arguments over which network hosts, which talking head is a moderator, format, questions, audience/no audience, walk around and stalk your opponent, etc., etc., etc. Debates are now WWF style and FU (general you, not you personally), I’m taking my message directly to the people via rallies, podcasts, social media, AI, etc.
Gonna be a long time before you see “normal” again, Bunky. A very long time.
Yeah....no..
Pretty much everything you are mentioning are normal things to negotiate during a debate.
Go look at any of Ron Desantis' previous debates, including the one he did with Newsome. They're all normal.
The days of catering to a 78 year old man child will be over once maga is defeated.
What I’m saying is, one, debates don’t need to be held and there’s really no downside to refusing to debate and two, if you’re struggling during the debate, it’s okay to be condescending, sexist, rude, shout over your opponent or just make shit up about what your opponents policies are resulting in. You can sweat, drop F-bombs, say ridiculous shit and it’ll be less than a news cycle. Decorum is a thing of the past and while Dems still try to maintain it, Repubs have jettisoned it because that’s what their base expects. “He tells it like it is and says the shit I’m thinking.” WWFizing of politics.
Without Trump as the head you’ll see splintered MAGA. They may coalesce around a candidate around election time, but the movement will lose steam without him at the controls. His cult of personality really drives excitement in the movement (and as we’ve seen this year, even that excitement is starting to dwindle). It’s changed conservatism for a generation, but it’s not a permanent feature.
Correct.
Either way, the nominee, while still likely horrible, will not be a lunatic so we won't have to bother with ridiculous bullshit like muting the microphones during debates.
That’s what makes it so dangerous. They’ll appear, speak, act, behave “normal.” But their policy proposals, vision of government and treatment of the other will be all MAGA
Yeah, bud. We're talking about having a debate here.
Also....a non lunatic version of Trump, in my opinion, loses a large portion the lunatic maga base--but that is a different conversation all together. Simply talking about being able to hold normal debates again.
I know what we’re discussing, Chip. A polished POS with MAGA policies is still a POS, with non-muted mics. Look at Darth Cheney. Sounded, looked and acted reasonable but below the exterior, evil. There will be no going back to “normal,” whatever your perception of “normal” is.
Speaking of that rat fuck Cheney, I watched Vice again the other day. Still a great movie with great performances. I followed it up by watching the movie that delves into the backstory about Valerie Plame (the CIA operative Cheney fucked over because her spouse, Joe Wilson, was calling bullshit on WMD). Everyone who has lost perspective on the Cheneys should watch those and then they can reiterate the Jon Stewart assessment, fuck you Dick Cheney.
Totally agree. Dick and Liz are all in on Project 2025 and the policies. They just don’t support the messenger. Need proof? How much trampling on the constitution and rights did that fucking administration conduct? 44 million missing emails but Hillary’s were more important? Fucking scum.
Darth Cheney illustrates what and how much you can get away with with no repercussions if you know what you’re doing. The world was fortunate that POOTWH and the majority of folks he kept in his orbit had no clue. We all won’t be as fortunate a second time around.
Without Trump as the head you’ll see splintered MAGA. They may coalesce around a candidate around election time, but the movement will lose steam without him at the controls. His cult of personality really drives excitement in the movement (and as we’ve seen this year, even that excitement is starting to dwindle). It’s changed conservatism for a generation, but it’s not a permanent feature.
Correct.
Either way, the nominee, while still likely horrible, will not be a lunatic so we won't have to bother with ridiculous bullshit like muting the microphones during debates.
That’s what makes it so dangerous. They’ll appear, speak, act, behave “normal.” But their policy proposals, vision of government and treatment of the other will be all MAGA
Yeah, bud. We're talking about having a debate here.
Also....a non lunatic version of Trump, in my opinion, loses a large portion the lunatic maga base--but that is a different conversation all together. Simply talking about being able to hold normal debates again.
I know what we’re discussing, Chip. A polished POS with MAGA policies is still a POS, with non-muted mics. Look at Darth Cheney. Sounded, looked and acted reasonable but below the exterior, evil. There will be no going back to “normal,” whatever your perception of “normal” is.
I don't think you do.
Literally just talking about the ability to hold a debate without having an argument about stupid shit like a mute button....not the fact that a more polished maga might actually be more dangerous than Trump.
POOTWH has effectively broken all of the previous POTUS campaign protocols. Arguments over mute buttons will be included after arguments over which network hosts, which talking head is a moderator, format, questions, audience/no audience, walk around and stalk your opponent, etc., etc., etc. Debates are now WWF style and FU (general you, not you personally), I’m taking my message directly to the people via rallies, podcasts, social media, AI, etc.
Gonna be a long time before you see “normal” again, Bunky. A very long time.
Yeah....no..
Pretty much everything you are mentioning are normal things to negotiate during a debate.
Go look at any of Ron Desantis' previous debates, including the one he did with Newsome. They're all normal.
The days of catering to a 78 year old man child will be over once maga is defeated.
What I’m saying is, one, debates don’t need to be held and there’s really no downside to refusing to debate and two, if you’re struggling during the debate, it’s okay to be condescending, sexist, rude, shout over your opponent or just make shit up about what your opponents policies are resulting in. You can sweat, drop F-bombs, say ridiculous shit and it’ll be less than a news cycle. Decorum is a thing of the past and while Dems still try to maintain it, Repubs have jettisoned it because that’s what their base expects. “He tells it like it is and says the shit I’m thinking.” WWFizing of politics.
No. The reason you cannot find examples of Desantis doing that is because, as terrible as he is, he's a normal person. What you are describing is literally not happening and there is no reason to expect it to happen if maga is defeated this November.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Without Trump as the head you’ll see splintered MAGA. They may coalesce around a candidate around election time, but the movement will lose steam without him at the controls. His cult of personality really drives excitement in the movement (and as we’ve seen this year, even that excitement is starting to dwindle). It’s changed conservatism for a generation, but it’s not a permanent feature.
Correct.
Either way, the nominee, while still likely horrible, will not be a lunatic so we won't have to bother with ridiculous bullshit like muting the microphones during debates.
That’s what makes it so dangerous. They’ll appear, speak, act, behave “normal.” But their policy proposals, vision of government and treatment of the other will be all MAGA
Yeah, bud. We're talking about having a debate here.
Also....a non lunatic version of Trump, in my opinion, loses a large portion the lunatic maga base--but that is a different conversation all together. Simply talking about being able to hold normal debates again.
I know what we’re discussing, Chip. A polished POS with MAGA policies is still a POS, with non-muted mics. Look at Darth Cheney. Sounded, looked and acted reasonable but below the exterior, evil. There will be no going back to “normal,” whatever your perception of “normal” is.
I don't think you do.
Literally just talking about the ability to hold a debate without having an argument about stupid shit like a mute button....not the fact that a more polished maga might actually be more dangerous than Trump.
POOTWH has effectively broken all of the previous POTUS campaign protocols. Arguments over mute buttons will be included after arguments over which network hosts, which talking head is a moderator, format, questions, audience/no audience, walk around and stalk your opponent, etc., etc., etc. Debates are now WWF style and FU (general you, not you personally), I’m taking my message directly to the people via rallies, podcasts, social media, AI, etc.
Gonna be a long time before you see “normal” again, Bunky. A very long time.
Yeah....no..
Pretty much everything you are mentioning are normal things to negotiate during a debate.
Go look at any of Ron Desantis' previous debates, including the one he did with Newsome. They're all normal.
The days of catering to a 78 year old man child will be over once maga is defeated.
What I’m saying is, one, debates don’t need to be held and there’s really no downside to refusing to debate and two, if you’re struggling during the debate, it’s okay to be condescending, sexist, rude, shout over your opponent or just make shit up about what your opponents policies are resulting in. You can sweat, drop F-bombs, say ridiculous shit and it’ll be less than a news cycle. Decorum is a thing of the past and while Dems still try to maintain it, Repubs have jettisoned it because that’s what their base expects. “He tells it like it is and says the shit I’m thinking.” WWFizing of politics.
No. The reason you cannot find examples of Desantis doing that is because, as terrible as he is, he's a normal person. What you are describing is literally not happening and there is no reason to expect it to happen if maga is defeated this November.
I will not hold my breath for repub candidates, particularly for POTUS after the primaries, are going to revert back to being “normal” like a 2012 Mittens Romney or a 2022 Youngkins. The base won’t allow it. And there’s nothing “normal” about Ron Deathsantis. That dude is weird.
Without Trump as the head you’ll see splintered MAGA. They may coalesce around a candidate around election time, but the movement will lose steam without him at the controls. His cult of personality really drives excitement in the movement (and as we’ve seen this year, even that excitement is starting to dwindle). It’s changed conservatism for a generation, but it’s not a permanent feature.
Correct.
Either way, the nominee, while still likely horrible, will not be a lunatic so we won't have to bother with ridiculous bullshit like muting the microphones during debates.
That’s what makes it so dangerous. They’ll appear, speak, act, behave “normal.” But their policy proposals, vision of government and treatment of the other will be all MAGA
Yeah, bud. We're talking about having a debate here.
Also....a non lunatic version of Trump, in my opinion, loses a large portion the lunatic maga base--but that is a different conversation all together. Simply talking about being able to hold normal debates again.
I know what we’re discussing, Chip. A polished POS with MAGA policies is still a POS, with non-muted mics. Look at Darth Cheney. Sounded, looked and acted reasonable but below the exterior, evil. There will be no going back to “normal,” whatever your perception of “normal” is.
I don't think you do.
Literally just talking about the ability to hold a debate without having an argument about stupid shit like a mute button....not the fact that a more polished maga might actually be more dangerous than Trump.
POOTWH has effectively broken all of the previous POTUS campaign protocols. Arguments over mute buttons will be included after arguments over which network hosts, which talking head is a moderator, format, questions, audience/no audience, walk around and stalk your opponent, etc., etc., etc. Debates are now WWF style and FU (general you, not you personally), I’m taking my message directly to the people via rallies, podcasts, social media, AI, etc.
Gonna be a long time before you see “normal” again, Bunky. A very long time.
Yeah....no..
Pretty much everything you are mentioning are normal things to negotiate during a debate.
Go look at any of Ron Desantis' previous debates, including the one he did with Newsome. They're all normal.
The days of catering to a 78 year old man child will be over once maga is defeated.
What I’m saying is, one, debates don’t need to be held and there’s really no downside to refusing to debate and two, if you’re struggling during the debate, it’s okay to be condescending, sexist, rude, shout over your opponent or just make shit up about what your opponents policies are resulting in. You can sweat, drop F-bombs, say ridiculous shit and it’ll be less than a news cycle. Decorum is a thing of the past and while Dems still try to maintain it, Repubs have jettisoned it because that’s what their base expects. “He tells it like it is and says the shit I’m thinking.” WWFizing of politics.
No. The reason you cannot find examples of Desantis doing that is because, as terrible as he is, he's a normal person. What you are describing is literally not happening and there is no reason to expect it to happen if maga is defeated this November.
I will not hold my breath for repub candidates, particularly for POTUS after the primaries, are going to revert back to being “normal” like a 2012 Mittens Romney or a 2022 Youngkins. The base won’t allow it. And there’s nothing “normal” about Ron Deathsantis. That dude is weird.
There's nothing to revert to as nobody is currently behaving the way you're describing.
Youngkin and Desantis are definitely weird...but neither of them are lunatics like Trump...and neither of their opponents have had to worry about them acting like an immature child during a debate.
first direct harris campaign tv ad I've seen just appeared.....
centered on price gouging...
We get them all day long here.
I saw one earlier today that was simply their back and forth on abortion from the debate. Her going to toe to toe with him and the somber look on his face as she spoke was pretty damn powerful as far as ads go.
first direct harris campaign tv ad I've seen just appeared.....
centered on price gouging...
To me, price gouging is about the least important or meritorious campaign topic. Definitely not one that resonates. I just don't think that topic moves the needle with anybody and there isn't actually anything she is going to be able to do about it. They should just focus on using high cost of living or goods in their ad language because that people can understand. Price gouging is what politicians say, but my Joe Blow backwater neighbors are just going to say that shit is expensive and what they like to hear is the low brow way Trump brings it up.
first direct harris campaign tv ad I've seen just appeared.....
centered on price gouging...
We get them all day long here.
I saw one earlier today that was simply their back and forth on abortion from the debate. Her going to toe to toe with him and the somber look on his face as she spoke was pretty damn powerful as far as ads go.
Just saw the first, Kamala wants to use tax payer money to fund sex change operations for prisoners and illegals. Has her interview talking about it and the ACLU 2019 questionnaire. Makes her look terrible. Powerful ad for Trump in swing states.
Without Trump as the head you’ll see splintered MAGA. They may coalesce around a candidate around election time, but the movement will lose steam without him at the controls. His cult of personality really drives excitement in the movement (and as we’ve seen this year, even that excitement is starting to dwindle). It’s changed conservatism for a generation, but it’s not a permanent feature.
Without Trump as the head you’ll see splintered MAGA. They may coalesce around a candidate around election time, but the movement will lose steam without him at the controls. His cult of personality really drives excitement in the movement (and as we’ve seen this year, even that excitement is starting to dwindle). It’s changed conservatism for a generation, but it’s not a permanent feature.
Correct.
Either way, the nominee, while still likely horrible, will not be a lunatic so we won't have to bother with ridiculous bullshit like muting the microphones during debates.
Guys, swear to God I hope you're right, but I don't know. These people seemed very entrenched in hating anything Democrat or Democracy. The problem is, they're hating the wrong thing. I don't think they will just go away, and I will explain why I believe that.
I'm curious, how many here have spoken in person with MAGA people? I have and believe me, it's not easy. If you really want to try to get an idea of where they are coming from beyond the obvious, you have to rein in your emotions. You don't give up your personal commitments, but you can't pummel someone who sees things differently with your beliefs. You have to practice tact and diplomacy, otherwise it breaks down fast. And you have to try to convince them to be civil as well. Otherwise just say, "I'm sorry you don't want to talk about this. I don't want to fight with you. Have a good day."
I honestly don't think all these MAGA people love Trump. A good number of them feel let down by the system. Yes, I too believe they will be even more let down by the system soon enough with a MAGA government, but they can't see that, partly because no one has tried to calmly, rationally explain that to them, or try to talk with them about viable alternatives. Of course, I base that on the premise that the Democratic party is not pure and does not have all the answers. Plenty of Democrats support war and don't really, honestly are not proactive in their concern about the environment. The Democratic party is not without flaws.
They way I'm seeing things unfold is that those of us left and left leaning and who strongly believe the Democratic platform is far better than MAGA authoritarianism, we somehow think we can brow beat or force those on the right to turn away from MAGA rule. That is not going to happen. If Americans can't lessen the divide, what will result will be strife, anger, violence, and lethal violence. I don't think anyone can argue that.
And look, honestly, I think we on the left have become a bit self-righteous. It's
how we deal with the fear of authoritarianism, and that's an
understandable fear. But it also increases the divide.
Yeah, this is all hard stuff to chew on, damn straight it is. I worry about all of this a lot.
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What's that about unsubstantiated voter fraud? How about the clear and outright fuckery of Montana ballots? Not that Montana is going to swing Democrat, but good lord if this had been Trump not on the ballot it would be running on every right leaning site and Fox would devote the whole evening to it. Then Trump would moan about it at his next "press conference".
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Also....a non lunatic version of Trump, in my opinion, loses a large portion the lunatic maga base--but that is a different conversation all together. Simply talking about being able to hold normal debates again.
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Literally just talking about the ability to hold a debate without having an argument about stupid shit like a mute button....not the fact that a more polished maga might actually be more dangerous than Trump.
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Gonna be a long time before you see “normal” again, Bunky. A very long time.
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I think if Desantis were the nominee, yes you'd have that MAGAness in message, but it would be more akin to the republican demeanor of old in terms of how they present and convey it to the public.
Pretty much everything you are mentioning are normal things to negotiate during a debate.
Go look at any of Ron Desantis' previous debates, including the one he did with Newsome. They're all normal.
The days of catering to a 78 year old man child will be over once maga is defeated.
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I'd liken this to 20 years from now, Trump endorsing a Democrat. Nope, fuck all the way off.
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Youngkin and Desantis are definitely weird...but neither of them are lunatics like Trump...and neither of their opponents have had to worry about them acting like an immature child during a debate.
I saw one earlier today that was simply their back and forth on abortion from the debate. Her going to toe to toe with him and the somber look on his face as she spoke was pretty damn powerful as far as ads go.
use tax payer money to fund sex change operations for prisoners and illegals. Has her interview talking about it and the ACLU 2019 questionnaire. Makes her look terrible. Powerful ad for Trump in swing states.
https://www.newsweek.com/montana-voting-system-shut-down-1957839