Transgendered/Trans-Identifying Athletes

lastexitlondon · August 2

They aren't a trans but an XY which has to be male. That's that and there is another one today from Chinese tipai.

lastexitlondon · August 2

Spiritual_Chaos said:

lastexitlondon said:

It's funny I was just watching this. It's ridiculous the Italian lady got a broken nose and quit. That other one has xy chromosomes so it's not even a question that's a male.

No need to go all JK Rowling on us I'm happy with my stance on this.

mace1229 · August 2

lastexitlondon said:

They aren't a trans but an XY which has to be male. That's that and there is another one today from Chinese tipai.

But someone with XY who lives/identifies as a female is the definition of trans, is it not?

lastexitlondon · August 2

I think it's called swyer syndrome . I'm not sure this is a case of identifying.

Hoagie Breath · August 2

Funny how it never seems to go ther other way, woman wanting to play mens sports. Gee, I wonder why lol. Whole topic is a joke.

mace1229 · August 2

lastexitlondon said:

I think it's called swyer syndrome . I'm not sure this is a case of identifying.

Had to look up what that was. It makes sense given what I read about her.

lastexitlondon · August 2

Hoagie Breath said:

Funny how it never seems to go ther other way, woman wanting to play mens sports. Gee, I wonder why lol. Whole topic is a joke.

This is true

lastexitlondon · August 2

But I do think if the level of testosterone is higher than a woman then that's a line that can't be crossed. Whatever the reason because if you took testosterone as a supplement you would be band

Gern Blansten · August 2

This is a good example of bad and/or misleading journalism...in the article that I originally posted it should have explained the situation better instead of making it sound like a man was participating in women's boxing. A true sign of our current times where news is by headline to get clicks, etc.

Swyer syndrome...I'm sure I have come across it before but it certainly didn't come to mind. Now I know.

Tim Simmons · August 2

read this this morning. Interesting

https://www.reddit.com/r/Fauxmoi/comments/1ei2n3i/comment/lg3n32z/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

Gern Blansten · August 2

Tim Simmons said:

read this this morning. Interesting

https://www.reddit.com/r/Fauxmoi/comments/1ei2n3i/comment/lg3n32z/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

Good for Logan Paul to admit his mistake and post it on X.

Tim Simmons · August 2

Sorry. I mean this post.

In the interest of spreading… actual information, I’m copying my comment from another thread, because this is infuriating.
The short(ish) version is that she's a cis woman who been competing for years against other women, and there was no issue, including at the 2020 Olympics. Never any question of her gender or testosterone levels, no articles, no headlines, no commentary from her opponents, nothing. She doesn't even have a particularly stellar record, though she's been improving in recent years.
She was even tested at the 2022 World Championships and they didn't find any problems. She took the silver medal without incident.
Up until the 2023 World Championships - when she beat a Russian boxer.
Quick backstory on the IBA, the boxing organization that tested her and oversees the Boxing World Championships: it's been in contention with the IOC for years for issues of corruption and concerns over refereeing and judging, but things have gotten worse over the past few years. The IOC was concerned about the IBA's complete financial dependence on their sponsor: Russian-owned Gazprom. The IBA also elected a corrupt Russian president in 2020, and in 2022 they (wrongly) declared his re-election opponent ineligible, so he won an uncontested re-election. Multiple countries including the US and UK boycotted the 2023 World Championships because the IBA suspended Ukraine and un-suspended Russia and Belarus in 2022, against IOC guidelines. All of this ultimately resulted in the IOC severing ties with the IBA, which hasn't happened with any sport in decades. They fucked up so bad that the IOC may drop boxing altogether; another organization has risen up and is attempting to replace the IBA in order to save boxing at the Olympics.
Anyway. Imane Khelif competes in the World Championships in 2022, undergoes testing, no eligibility issues, takes the silver medal. She competes in 2023, no eligibility issues. Gets to the Round of 16, beats a Russian boxer...suddenly, she gets tested again and based on the results of that test AND her test from 2022, they declared her ineligible.
The IBA never said what kind of test it was, just that it wasn't a testosterone test, nor did they explain the results, citing privacy. In an interview with Russian state-owned media, the Russian president of the IBA said that they did a DNA test and found that Khelif had XY chromosomes, but again...look at the source, the audience, the track record of corruption, the timing...
Plus, they did this test in 2022 and didn't have any issue with the results? They used the 2022 test as part of their basis for disqualifying her - even though they allowed her to compete in 2023, up until she beat a Russian athlete.
So there's no evidence that she has higher testosterone. She competed in the 2020 Olympics without incident, even when other female athletes with high testosterone were withdrawn. And the IBA didn't administer a testosterone test.
There's also no other information, testing, questions, or anything that she has talked about that would allude to any sort of chromosomal or hormonal difference. She identifies as a woman and always has.
People are diagnosing her with all kinds of conditions but there’s actually no evidence for any of it aside from one vague test that an extremely corrupt organization associated with Russia subjected her to when she beat a Russian athlete, the results of which were only discussed by the Russian president of the corrupt organization when he talked to Russian media.

tbergs · August 2

People are so quick to jump on the transgender hate train and make assumptions. Saw it in this thread and found it disgusting the assumptions being made without much info. Some female boxer cries in the ring and loses and suddenly the hate train is gaining steam. Just like the stupid last supper controversy that really wasn't.

tempo_n_groove · August 2

Spiritual_Chaos said:

lastexitlondon said:

It's funny I was just watching this. It's ridiculous the Italian lady got a broken nose and quit. That other one has xy chromosomes so it's not even a question that's a male.

No need to go all JK Rowling on us

JK Rowling was right.

tempo_n_groove · August 2

I was reading this yesterday and I thought, NO WAY someone from Algeria has masqueraded as a trans person and COMPETED there. No way.
Paul did some research and found the real answers, good on him.

Spiritual_Chaos · August 2

tempo_n_groove said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

lastexitlondon said:

It's funny I was just watching this. It's ridiculous the Italian lady got a broken nose and quit. That other one has xy chromosomes so it's not even a question that's a male.

No need to go all JK Rowling on us

JK Rowling was right.

About what? Wanting Alan Rickman to play Snape, or downplaying the Nazi's acts during World War 2?

mickeyrat · August 2

a thread.... with some context. you be the judge.

https://www.threads.net/@kristenzeta/post/C-KXXBnyozh/?xmt=AQGz3-GmfPC2UjB0wTcQMMJ4WvP4N40oQOgg1nOuLwFqWQ

tempo_n_groove · August 2

Spiritual_Chaos said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

lastexitlondon said:

It's funny I was just watching this. It's ridiculous the Italian lady got a broken nose and quit. That other one has xy chromosomes so it's not even a question that's a male.

No need to go all JK Rowling on us

JK Rowling was right.

About what? Wanting Alan Rickman to play Snape, or downplaying the Nazi's acts during World War 2?

Lol downplaying nazi acts? She said that Trans weren't the Nazi's first targets. She never denied the holocaust or anything so not sure what thats about?

tempo_n_groove · August 2

mickeyrat said:

a thread.... with some context. you be the judge.
https://www.threads.net/@kristenzeta/post/C-KXXBnyozh/?xmt=AQGz3-GmfPC2UjB0wTcQMMJ4WvP4N40oQOgg1nOuLwFqWQ

This thing was blown up and lazy ass reporting. NOW the truths are coming around.

Go Beavers · August 2

Hoagie Breath said:

Funny how it never seems to go ther other way, woman wanting to play mens sports. Gee, I wonder why lol. Whole topic is a joke.

They exist, but you don’t hear about it because it doesn’t make good clickbait for twitter.

Go Beavers · August 2

lastexitlondon said:

They aren't a trans but an XY which has to be male. That's that and there is another one today from Chinese tipai.

What if someone with xy has a vagina?

lastexitlondon · August 2

lastexitlondon said:

They aren't a trans but an XY which has to be male. That's that and there is another one today from Chinese tipai.

What if someone with xy has a vagina?

They do have a vagina. But chromosome wise male.And I believe can have testicles internally hence higher testosterone

Go Beavers · August 2

lastexitlondon said:

lastexitlondon said:

They aren't a trans but an XY which has to be male. That's that and there is another one today from Chinese tipai.

What if someone with xy has a vagina?

They do have a vagina. But chromosome wise male.And I believe can have testicles internally hence higher testosterone

So why conclude an intersexed person is a man solely based on chromosomes? They could have identified as a woman their entire life, but now you’ll say they’re a man?

lastexitlondon · August 2

They can identify as they wish. They have the chromosome make up of a male. What's your issue?

Go Beavers · August 2

lastexitlondon said:

They can identify as they wish. They have the chromosome make up of a male. What's your issue?

You said xy has to be male. So either you’d identify them as male or you wouldn’t. My issue is that being a man or woman includes aspects of our biology, but it goes beyond that also. Trying to define it by strict biological terms will fall apart rather quickly under further examination. Unfortunately now that gender is a political issue, there’s going to be legislation on on a complicated topic by simpletons who can’t grasp and live with ambiguity.

lastexitlondon · August 2

It's just science. It's nothing political for me. You won't get a rise out of me.

Go Beavers · August 2

lastexitlondon said:

It's just science. It's nothing political for me. You won't get a rise out of me.

I know it’s science, that’s what I’m referring to with intersexed people and how that dismantles a rigid, binary definition of a man or woman.

PJ_Soul · August 2

For me this is just a common sense thing. I am fully open to and a truly huge supporter of all trans and other gender issues. But yeah, in terms of sports I think a line needs to be drawn at levels beyond puberty (I do think before puberty it matters much less of at all, although that could be kinda weird in terms of transitions to older groups). I am not sure how anyone can argue anything different. It seems a bit nonsensical to me, given the biological physical differences involved and how that impacts sports performance.

Spunkie · August 3

Finally, Pipsqueak didn't have any concussions symptoms in the last week during her activities (which were super fun and awesome)!

Her doctor might clear to play soccer again next week.

SPEEDY MCCREADY · August 3

Spunkie said:

Finally, Pipsqueak didn't have any concussions symptoms in the last week during her activities (which were super fun and awesome)!

Her doctor might clear to play soccer again next week.

Great news

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