Keeping Men out of Women's Sports

curmudgeoness

Spunkie said:

Google's Texas law...

Thinks the rednecks finally got something right? Sorry, not sorry?

Decides to leave netball to the imagination. 

Yes and no? The collegiate-level part makes sense to me. The part where it "expands on similar restrictions" applied to K-12 tells us that the cruelty is the point.

I think "we" -- people discussing the subject here in good faith -- generally agree that once children go through puberty, sex-based differences come into play and a biological male who has gone through male puberty should not be playing competitive women's sports, regardless of their gender identity.

But do any of us really have a problem with six-year-old boys and girls playing soccer or t-ball together? That tells me that this law was created not to implement a common-sense solution but rather to telegraph an anti-trans message. The objective wasn't to protect girls/ young women.

That said, even a broken clock is right twice a day, etc.

pjl44

Go Beavers said:

pjl44 said:

Go Beavers said:

Spunkie said:

Google's Texas law...

Thinks the rednecks finally got something right? Sorry, not sorry?

Decides to leave netball to the imagination. 

Except their motives are anti transgender, not pro protecting women and girls. 

Taking an issue that has broad support in one direction and handing it to the other party is a bold move

It’s not handing anything to anyone. Is this something handled better by the sports governing agencies or your state’s governor? 

It depends. State and local governments will get involved when we're talking about public schools. Less likely to if it's something like private travel teams.

pjl44

OnWis97 said:

pjl44 said:

mickeyrat said:

you know its interesting. My sophmore yr in HS my school district added soccer as a varsity sport. boys only. We did have a female player on our team . the core of the team had come up together in a ymca league so we were solid . it took a few to absorb her and adjust to her play , but we did it but that was so with the boys who hadnt played with the core team yet. and there was no grumbling or pushback that I can recall from the rest of the team.

Because no one has any issues with a girl who can make the boys' team

Depending on the sport, shouldn't they, though. The point of the original post here was not competition but safety. If it's that much of a safety concern, then to protect this girl, she should have been told "no." She's not just playing against one genetic male but dozens.

There's a difference between a girl accepting that risk by joining a boys' team vs. a boy competing on the girls' team. In the latter case, they'd have to quit if they don't accept the risk. I see that as untenable.

pjl44

If you consider yourself liberal and happen to agree with conservatives on a couple issues that should not give you pause. Or vice versa. We're individuals and have complex thoughts. It's weirder to stake out an ideological position and feel compelled to be in lockstep.

tempo_n_groove

Ahead of its time...

OnWis97

mace1229 said:

There’s a big difference between a biological male playing down to a girls league vs a female choosing to pay up in a boys league. Especially when there are no female options for that sport. It’s still her choice to play against males.

From a competition standpoint, I agree. From a safety standpoint, I'm not as sure.

Spunkie

I guess the coach feels that if a player doesn't feel safe, he won't play them and that's that. I don't think anyone in the organization wants to stand up to BC soccer.

Gern Blansten

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/olympics/2024/08/01/olympic-boxer-imane-khelif-gender-eligibility-issue/74628914007/

So this was odd...I guess I'm not sure why this would be allowed in the Olympics

PARIS – Algeria's Imane Khelif, one of two female Olympic boxers disqualified from the 2023 world championships after failing gender eligibility tests, entered the ring Thursday at the Paris Games.
Her bout ended in abrupt and bizarre fashion.
Khelif prevailed when Italy’s Angela Carini stopped fighting after 46 seconds.
Carini was punched in the nose and shortly afterward said she didn't want to fight anymore, according to Italian coach Emanuele Renzini
"After one punch she feel big pain,'' Renzini told reporters,.

lastexitlondon

It's funny I was just watching this. It's ridiculous the Italian lady got a broken nose and quit. That other one has xy chromosomes so it's not even a question that's a male.

Gern Blansten

lastexitlondon said:

It's funny I was just watching this. It's ridiculous the Italian lady got a broken nose and quit. That other one has xy chromosomes so it's not even a question that's a male.

And she/they was disqualified from the 2023 World Championships for failing gender eligibility...how is that possible that the Olympics allow this?

lastexitlondon

It's unbelievable given all the testing and rules they have that this is allowed.

cincybearcat

This sucks and is just plain wrong.  

Indifference71

I thought the Olympics wasn't allowing this nonsense to take place.  Just crazy...especially in boxing.  

lastexitlondon

Yeah can't think of a sport where it could have more of a deadly consequence 

Gern Blansten

There is more to this...the boxer was born female and has always identified as female.

Go Beavers

Gern Blansten said:

There is more to this...the boxer was born female and has always identified as female.

Yup. Just xy chromosomes. 

Spiritual_Chaos

lastexitlondon said:

It's funny I was just watching this. It's ridiculous the Italian lady got a broken nose and quit. That other one has xy chromosomes so it's not even a question that's a male.

No need to go all JK Rowling on us

Gern Blansten

mace1229

I first heard about this yesterday before the fight.
I tried reading into it, and supposedly there is no evidence the boxes is trans or used to be male other than the chromosome results. No indication she had ever transitioned and had even been a male. She claimed the test results that disqualified her were false because they didn’t want someone don’t Algeria winning the gold in nationals.
I don’t know if any of that is true. I can’t find the article because it’s all about the fight results now.
I find it interesting, if the test results were wrong or faked, get a new test. But the IOC hasn’t come out and plainly said trans boxers aren’t allowed anyway, they leave it up to the governing officials of each sport. But I bet that’s about to change.

jimjam1982

Yall see that dude beat the shit out of a girl at the Olympics? What a sham. He may be hermaphrodite but that doesn't give him the right to pound on chicks faces.