TicketMaster's Fan2Fan is now Fan2Bot

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  • DP109775
    DP109775 Posts: 5
    System is broken for sure and I don't believe the technology is helping the situation in any real way. Will call seemed to be just fine, I don't know that there is any real evidence that F2F has proven to be any better than that system. 
  • BF25394
    BF25394 Posts: 4,940
    GlowGirl said:
    BF25394 said:
    BigRedd said:
    Sarava said:
    I think this system has evolved to the point where everyone knows the best seats are probably being swapped between 1-6am, so people looking to "upgrade" are probably spamming F5 in these off hours. It will probably ease up in a week or two; Didn't they just open it up in the last few days? The bees nest was just poked and the bees are stirring...wait a week or two until things settle down a bit.
    There will be real fans refreshing all day and night long

    That is not the problem. 

    The problem is none of these real fans are winning any of the best seats in the house. No one on here or on Facebook are saying they scored GA or great seats. 


    I don't understand this comment. There were many, many people who reported here that they got GA or other great seats in the lottery. I was one of them.


    They mean on F2F. Last year tons of people here were posting about the great upgrades they were getting. Very few this year. 
    Ah, I see. Thanks.
    I gather speed from you fucking with me.
  • SHZA
    SHZA St. Louis, MO USA Posts: 4,314
    njhaley1 said:
    Allegedly Ticketmaster was going to invalidate tickets placed on 3rd party sites (at least outside of NY and IL markets). 

    Seems like someone should send them an email to point out all these tickets on other platforms. 
    What's your source for TM planning to invalidate tickets? 
  • GlowGirl
    GlowGirl New York, NY Posts: 12,175
    SHZA said:
    njhaley1 said:
    Allegedly Ticketmaster was going to invalidate tickets placed on 3rd party sites (at least outside of NY and IL markets). 

    Seems like someone should send them an email to point out all these tickets on other platforms. 
    What's your source for TM planning to invalidate tickets? 
    They have done it before. I haven't heard anything about Pearl Jam, but I have heard that they have done it for other shows in the past.

  • AlaG
    AlaG Brookline, MA Posts: 979
    They can’t invalidate them. There’s a reason none of these resale sites tell you the actual seat number.
  • BigRedd
    BigRedd Posts: 113
    No Willcall


    No Priority


    Fan to Fan locked in for selling tickets. 


    All of these moves have helped scalpers selling 10C tickets. TM and 10C will lead you to think they are doing whats best for us but never before have you seen so many GA for resale. Also factor in the fact that the majority of lower bowl standard priced seats are 10C do the math there as well how many are lotto tickets. It is embarrassing really. What once was a solid fan friendly ticket experience has fallen to Premium Pearl Jam own scalped tickets and this fan to fan mess. 

  • SHZA
    SHZA St. Louis, MO USA Posts: 4,314
    edited April 2024
    GlowGirl said:
    SHZA said:
    njhaley1 said:
    Allegedly Ticketmaster was going to invalidate tickets placed on 3rd party sites (at least outside of NY and IL markets). 

    Seems like someone should send them an email to point out all these tickets on other platforms. 
    What's your source for TM planning to invalidate tickets? 
    They have done it before. I haven't heard anything about Pearl Jam, but I have heard that they have done it for other shows in the past.

    I have seen tickets invalidated for the initial sale but not for resale. The seller may not want the sale to be canceled and did nothing wrong. But if TM said they were going to do it I'd be interested in seeing where they said that.  
  • craigraether
    craigraether Posts: 1,655
    SHZA said:
    GlowGirl said:
    SHZA said:
    njhaley1 said:
    Allegedly Ticketmaster was going to invalidate tickets placed on 3rd party sites (at least outside of NY and IL markets). 

    Seems like someone should send them an email to point out all these tickets on other platforms. 
    What's your source for TM planning to invalidate tickets? 
    They have done it before. I haven't heard anything about Pearl Jam, but I have heard that they have done it for other shows in the past.

    I have seen tickets invalidated for the initial sale but not for resale. The seller may not want the sale to be canceled and did nothing wrong. But if TM said they were going to do it I'd be interested in seeing where they said that.  
    I think the best we can hope for is tha TM locks it down in some way so moving forward it's not an issue. They could also let it be know that tickets ( if found to be invalid could be refused at the door) and those who bought with intent to sell should sell them back via F2F or risk denied entry for their buyer. 
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,604
    I don't see TM taking any action to "fix" resale that they make no money on and, from their point of view, is working. 

    I think it's more likely they would simply shut F2F down altogether before they would invest resources in fixing it. Less hassle and less competition for the platinum tickets. 
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  • danofun
    danofun Posts: 1,301
    SHZA said:
    GlowGirl said:
    SHZA said:
    njhaley1 said:
    Allegedly Ticketmaster was going to invalidate tickets placed on 3rd party sites (at least outside of NY and IL markets). 

    Seems like someone should send them an email to point out all these tickets on other platforms. 
    What's your source for TM planning to invalidate tickets? 
    They have done it before. I haven't heard anything about Pearl Jam, but I have heard that they have done it for other shows in the past.

    I have seen tickets invalidated for the initial sale but not for resale. The seller may not want the sale to be canceled and did nothing wrong. But if TM said they were going to do it I'd be interested in seeing where they said that.  
    This. No doubt it’s an imperfect system, but F2F beats the alternative. Just take a look at MSG. F2F is simply a resale ticket with price restrictions. If 90% of tickets went to the fan club, every face value F2F ticket that shows up was originally won in the lottery by a 10C member. If individuals only purchased tickets to shows they were actually going to attend, as it is suggested, there would be need for F2F. 

    I get that circumstances change, but I believe much of the anger is misdirected.
  • GlowGirl
    GlowGirl New York, NY Posts: 12,175
    danofun said:
    SHZA said:
    GlowGirl said:
    SHZA said:
    njhaley1 said:
    Allegedly Ticketmaster was going to invalidate tickets placed on 3rd party sites (at least outside of NY and IL markets). 

    Seems like someone should send them an email to point out all these tickets on other platforms. 
    What's your source for TM planning to invalidate tickets? 
    They have done it before. I haven't heard anything about Pearl Jam, but I have heard that they have done it for other shows in the past.

    I have seen tickets invalidated for the initial sale but not for resale. The seller may not want the sale to be canceled and did nothing wrong. But if TM said they were going to do it I'd be interested in seeing where they said that.  
    This. No doubt it’s an imperfect system, but F2F beats the alternative. Just take a look at MSG. F2F is simply a resale ticket with price restrictions. If 90% of tickets went to the fan club, every face value F2F ticket that shows up was originally won in the lottery by a 10C member. If individuals only purchased tickets to shows they were actually going to attend, as it is suggested, there would be need for F2F. 

    I get that circumstances change, but I believe much of the anger is misdirected.
    Due to my higher 10C number I really like the F2F model in theory. Because of it I was able to upgrade to 5 GA’s last year. But it only works if the fans have actual access to it and are able to buy tickets. If the bots have taken over then we are done for. 
  • njhaley1
    njhaley1 Posts: 908
    SHZA said:
    njhaley1 said:
    Allegedly Ticketmaster was going to invalidate tickets placed on 3rd party sites (at least outside of NY and IL markets). 

    Seems like someone should send them an email to point out all these tickets on other platforms. 
    What's your source for TM planning to invalidate tickets? 
    From: https://blog.ticketmaster.com/pearl-jam-tour-2024


  • SHZA
    SHZA St. Louis, MO USA Posts: 4,314
    njhaley1 said:
    SHZA said:
    njhaley1 said:
    Allegedly Ticketmaster was going to invalidate tickets placed on 3rd party sites (at least outside of NY and IL markets). 

    Seems like someone should send them an email to point out all these tickets on other platforms. 
    What's your source for TM planning to invalidate tickets? 
    From: https://blog.ticketmaster.com/pearl-jam-tour-2024


    Interesting. "Subject to" cancellation. Sadly I think it's an empty threat. Hope I'm wrong! 
  • njhaley1
    njhaley1 Posts: 908
    SHZA said:
    njhaley1 said:
    SHZA said:
    njhaley1 said:
    Allegedly Ticketmaster was going to invalidate tickets placed on 3rd party sites (at least outside of NY and IL markets). 

    Seems like someone should send them an email to point out all these tickets on other platforms. 
    What's your source for TM planning to invalidate tickets? 
    From: https://blog.ticketmaster.com/pearl-jam-tour-2024


    Interesting. "Subject to" cancellation. Sadly I think it's an empty threat. Hope I'm wrong! 
    You'd think if there were people calling them out and showing them examples like @craigraether above, they'd be obliged to do something. Without seat numbers as @AlaG notes, it's hard to say who's listing them, though.

    Seatgeek has hundreds for sale for Vegas N2 alone, very few of them face value. 
  • patkelly12
    patkelly12 CT Posts: 361
    They 100% will not cancel a single sale without obvious and blatant/transparent proof. And they aren't going to waste the resources looking for it.
  • Zod
    Zod Posts: 10,914
    I thought I'd be contrarian and write the things that I do like about the current system:

    1) Some of those lineups in the early 2000's to pick up tickets got pretty crazy.  I remember the Seattle 2000 lineups being extraordinarily long.  I don't missed spending hours in the will call lineup just to get the tickets.

    2) There were a few times my tickets weren't as good as my brain had hoped.   If you know your seat locations months in advance you get over it.  If you picked up the tickets shortly before the show, that's a bit harder.

    3) There is technically a chance (albeit slim) to upgrade.

    I don't dislike the new system or anything.  There's some drawbacks, but there's some positives too.  
  • danofun
    danofun Posts: 1,301
    Zod said:
    I thought I'd be contrarian and write the things that I do like about the current system:

    1) Some of those lineups in the early 2000's to pick up tickets got pretty crazy.  I remember the Seattle 2000 lineups being extraordinarily long.  I don't missed spending hours in the will call lineup just to get the tickets.

    2) There were a few times my tickets weren't as good as my brain had hoped.   If you know your seat locations months in advance you get over it.  If you picked up the tickets shortly before the show, that's a bit harder.

    3) There is technically a chance (albeit slim) to upgrade.

    I don't dislike the new system or anything.  There's some drawbacks, but there's some positives too.  
    Well said.

  • AB285441
    AB285441 Posts: 201
    edited April 2024
    Why can't F2F leverage an already existing authentication technology.  I don't know about you all, but I would be comfortable with providing an email address (i'd create a specific concert ticket email) and possibly a cell number to someone on here if they chose me to purchase the tickets through F2F.  Seller logs into TM, enters the purchaser's email/phone number in TM (rather then choosing to sell to the open secondary market).  That purchaser receives an authentication code from TM at that email/cell number, and can login and purchase the ticket using that authentication code.  

    Alternatively, maybe the seller logs into TM, decides to sell, but before any listing is completed, TM provides an authentication code to the seller.  That seller provides that authentication code to the purchaser of their choice.  Of course, if the seller would like to bypass this and sell on the F2F market without this option, they could do so as well.

    I think a hiccup would be how many platforms like 10C exist where fans could come to agreement to buy/sell, maybe not enough to warrant implementing this infrastructural change.

    In other words, give choice back to the seller.
    Post edited by AB285441 on
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,604
    Zod said:
    I thought I'd be contrarian and write the things that I do like about the current system:

    1) Some of those lineups in the early 2000's to pick up tickets got pretty crazy.  I remember the Seattle 2000 lineups being extraordinarily long.  I don't missed spending hours in the will call lineup just to get the tickets.

    2) There were a few times my tickets weren't as good as my brain had hoped.   If you know your seat locations months in advance you get over it.  If you picked up the tickets shortly before the show, that's a bit harder.

    3) There is technically a chance (albeit slim) to upgrade.

    I don't dislike the new system or anything.  There's some drawbacks, but there's some positives too.  
    I'm right there with you on this. It's a great idea and it has served many people well these last few years. 
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  • boyaxl
    boyaxl Posts: 46
    JimmyV said:
    Zod said:
    I thought I'd be contrarian and write the things that I do like about the current system:

    1) Some of those lineups in the early 2000's to pick up tickets got pretty crazy.  I remember the Seattle 2000 lineups being extraordinarily long.  I don't missed spending hours in the will call lineup just to get the tickets.

    2) There were a few times my tickets weren't as good as my brain had hoped.   If you know your seat locations months in advance you get over it.  If you picked up the tickets shortly before the show, that's a bit harder.

    3) There is technically a chance (albeit slim) to upgrade.

    I don't dislike the new system or anything.  There's some drawbacks, but there's some positives too.  
    I'm right there with you on this. It's a great idea and it has served many people well these last few years. 
    Pearl Jam just needs to wake up and smell the reality and allows transfers like most other artists.  That is the ONLY solution.  More restrictions = more hassle = falsely elevated prices.  Shame on them. It's a freaking concert ticket and should not be this complicated.  Literally every other big band does it better. 

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