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To Stop BOTs and resellers, TM could create a verified account program. The account would need to be verified with phone, email and credit card/bank account. Each account would need each to be unique to be verified. Then only verified accounts can buy F2F tickets for 4 hours once posted. There for burner accounts would not have access. you could also lock 10C tickets on fan to fan so that only 10c could buy tickets that were bought from 10c... giving fans the first chance.Lerxst1992 said:PhartN said:
Could be a lot of first timers, that would likely block out quite a few real people that legitimately are first time show goers (ive seen quite a few posting here on the boards)Lerxst1992 said:PhartN said:
It also requires multifactor/matching face recog to transfer the ticket to apple wallet as well as apple id, which will prohibit the third party sites/resellers from being able to sell all the face value/F2F tickets to people for over face...this is on iOS at least, still waiting for data RE: android.Lerxst1992 said:TM is trying to stop bots by requiring a matching email account that the user is logged into at the time of the show?If that’s correct what stops the broker from creating transferable email addresses to accompany the disposable TM account?There are much easier ways to prevent bots from buying on F2F by simply identifying disposable TM accounts at time of purchase based on the account history.
If there are much easier ways to prohibit bots, and you know how, please DM me so we can start a business and cash in...Bots for F2F - if brokers are using disposable TM accounts, that should be very easy for TM to identify based on lack of purchase history and record and location of shows attended.
Face ID , wonderful, and if we don’t use pr want to use Face ID?
FaceID OR Pin Code, whatever MFA you have turned on, point is MFA to ensure the ticket buyer is the ticket user...again, TBD on the actual details yet..
The bottom line is that there is a problem with "bots" and resellers, if this helps to combat those folks, then its ultimately a good thing...
We could all come up with a ton of reasons why it sucks, for sure, but alas here we are..
Lets use the 10C hive mind to our advantage and make the system work for us the best we can, whatever it is...Sorry, I did a short cut of that idea, requiring a purchase history with a matching location to buy tickets, would be only for F2F for the first 72 hours after a ticket is posted.
Regarding the verified sale tickets, that’s a little tricker because yes, they need to allow first time buyers…perhaps TM could reject an intitial appplication for verification if there is zero purchase history, but allow first time buyers a second registration and only allow personal accounts and cc’s with GPS verification. This should eliminate many corporate accounts. Ironically, the verified sale may be the trickiest to stop brokers.
If we can only get tickets one of three ways…fan club, F2F and verified sale, stopping bots in two of those categories could be a big win for fans.0 -
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It would be a pain. But yeah multiple points of verification would help even more. ID, mobile ticket, cc, and paper ticket with your name on it? Might take an hour to get into the building!craigraether said:
To Stop BOTs and resellers, TM could create a verified account program. The account would need to be verified with phone, email and credit card/bank account. Each account would need each to be unique to be verified. Then only verified accounts can buy F2F tickets for 4 hours once posted. There for burner accounts would not have access. you could also lock 10C tickets on fan to fan so that only 10c could buy tickets that were bought from 10c... giving fans the first chance.Lerxst1992 said:PhartN said:
Could be a lot of first timers, that would likely block out quite a few real people that legitimately are first time show goers (ive seen quite a few posting here on the boards)Lerxst1992 said:PhartN said:
It also requires multifactor/matching face recog to transfer the ticket to apple wallet as well as apple id, which will prohibit the third party sites/resellers from being able to sell all the face value/F2F tickets to people for over face...this is on iOS at least, still waiting for data RE: android.Lerxst1992 said:TM is trying to stop bots by requiring a matching email account that the user is logged into at the time of the show?If that’s correct what stops the broker from creating transferable email addresses to accompany the disposable TM account?There are much easier ways to prevent bots from buying on F2F by simply identifying disposable TM accounts at time of purchase based on the account history.
If there are much easier ways to prohibit bots, and you know how, please DM me so we can start a business and cash in...Bots for F2F - if brokers are using disposable TM accounts, that should be very easy for TM to identify based on lack of purchase history and record and location of shows attended.
Face ID , wonderful, and if we don’t use pr want to use Face ID?
FaceID OR Pin Code, whatever MFA you have turned on, point is MFA to ensure the ticket buyer is the ticket user...again, TBD on the actual details yet..
The bottom line is that there is a problem with "bots" and resellers, if this helps to combat those folks, then its ultimately a good thing...
We could all come up with a ton of reasons why it sucks, for sure, but alas here we are..
Lets use the 10C hive mind to our advantage and make the system work for us the best we can, whatever it is...Sorry, I did a short cut of that idea, requiring a purchase history with a matching location to buy tickets, would be only for F2F for the first 72 hours after a ticket is posted.
Regarding the verified sale tickets, that’s a little tricker because yes, they need to allow first time buyers…perhaps TM could reject an intitial appplication for verification if there is zero purchase history, but allow first time buyers a second registration and only allow personal accounts and cc’s with GPS verification. This should eliminate many corporate accounts. Ironically, the verified sale may be the trickiest to stop brokers.
If we can only get tickets one of three ways…fan club, F2F and verified sale, stopping bots in two of those categories could be a big win for fans.
Glass half empty. You can always walk in with the ticket owner scalper. There is no way to ever fix that.0 -
More of pain than all the great seats ending up on stub hub ?Eddieredder said:
It would be a pain. But yeah multiple points of verification would help even more. ID, mobile ticket, cc, and paper ticket with your name on it? Might take an hour to get into the building!craigraether said:
To Stop BOTs and resellers, TM could create a verified account program. The account would need to be verified with phone, email and credit card/bank account. Each account would need each to be unique to be verified. Then only verified accounts can buy F2F tickets for 4 hours once posted. There for burner accounts would not have access. you could also lock 10C tickets on fan to fan so that only 10c could buy tickets that were bought from 10c... giving fans the first chance.Lerxst1992 said:PhartN said:
Could be a lot of first timers, that would likely block out quite a few real people that legitimately are first time show goers (ive seen quite a few posting here on the boards)Lerxst1992 said:PhartN said:
It also requires multifactor/matching face recog to transfer the ticket to apple wallet as well as apple id, which will prohibit the third party sites/resellers from being able to sell all the face value/F2F tickets to people for over face...this is on iOS at least, still waiting for data RE: android.Lerxst1992 said:TM is trying to stop bots by requiring a matching email account that the user is logged into at the time of the show?If that’s correct what stops the broker from creating transferable email addresses to accompany the disposable TM account?There are much easier ways to prevent bots from buying on F2F by simply identifying disposable TM accounts at time of purchase based on the account history.
If there are much easier ways to prohibit bots, and you know how, please DM me so we can start a business and cash in...Bots for F2F - if brokers are using disposable TM accounts, that should be very easy for TM to identify based on lack of purchase history and record and location of shows attended.
Face ID , wonderful, and if we don’t use pr want to use Face ID?
FaceID OR Pin Code, whatever MFA you have turned on, point is MFA to ensure the ticket buyer is the ticket user...again, TBD on the actual details yet..
The bottom line is that there is a problem with "bots" and resellers, if this helps to combat those folks, then its ultimately a good thing...
We could all come up with a ton of reasons why it sucks, for sure, but alas here we are..
Lets use the 10C hive mind to our advantage and make the system work for us the best we can, whatever it is...Sorry, I did a short cut of that idea, requiring a purchase history with a matching location to buy tickets, would be only for F2F for the first 72 hours after a ticket is posted.
Regarding the verified sale tickets, that’s a little tricker because yes, they need to allow first time buyers…perhaps TM could reject an intitial appplication for verification if there is zero purchase history, but allow first time buyers a second registration and only allow personal accounts and cc’s with GPS verification. This should eliminate many corporate accounts. Ironically, the verified sale may be the trickiest to stop brokers.
If we can only get tickets one of three ways…fan club, F2F and verified sale, stopping bots in two of those categories could be a big win for fans.
Glass half empty. You can always walk in with the ticket owner scalper. There is no way to ever fix that.0 -
I'm about to post a single on the floor for LA1 - Sec 1, Row 100
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Does anyone know if you put the settings on 2 tickets for a show that no pairs are available and toggle between list and map if tickets will show up when a pair is dropped? Or do you have to refresh by changing the amount of tickets you're searching for? Hopefully someone understands this question.0
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Dug out an old android. Is this what typically has shown up? Not sure if this would prevent splitting a pair across two Google accounts or if it would permanently link this TM account to this Google account as opposed to just for this ticket
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4 lower level seats on the aisle for Seattle 1 up....."I got memories, I got shit"0
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Just grabbed Sec C Row 4 on the center aisle for LA2. If anyone here dropped, thanks!0
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That's too complicated. I don't think TM will put in the effort for that. Having to sync their databased to 10c's database and what not. They barely put in an effort in the first place. It's just the regular reselling platform locked to a specific price (which is why it's buggy as hell).craigraether said:
To Stop BOTs and resellers, TM could create a verified account program. The account would need to be verified with phone, email and credit card/bank account. Each account would need each to be unique to be verified. Then only verified accounts can buy F2F tickets for 4 hours once posted. There for burner accounts would not have access. you could also lock 10C tickets on fan to fan so that only 10c could buy tickets that were bought from 10c... giving fans the first chance.Lerxst1992 said:PhartN said:
Could be a lot of first timers, that would likely block out quite a few real people that legitimately are first time show goers (ive seen quite a few posting here on the boards)Lerxst1992 said:PhartN said:
It also requires multifactor/matching face recog to transfer the ticket to apple wallet as well as apple id, which will prohibit the third party sites/resellers from being able to sell all the face value/F2F tickets to people for over face...this is on iOS at least, still waiting for data RE: android.Lerxst1992 said:TM is trying to stop bots by requiring a matching email account that the user is logged into at the time of the show?If that’s correct what stops the broker from creating transferable email addresses to accompany the disposable TM account?There are much easier ways to prevent bots from buying on F2F by simply identifying disposable TM accounts at time of purchase based on the account history.
If there are much easier ways to prohibit bots, and you know how, please DM me so we can start a business and cash in...Bots for F2F - if brokers are using disposable TM accounts, that should be very easy for TM to identify based on lack of purchase history and record and location of shows attended.
Face ID , wonderful, and if we don’t use pr want to use Face ID?
FaceID OR Pin Code, whatever MFA you have turned on, point is MFA to ensure the ticket buyer is the ticket user...again, TBD on the actual details yet..
The bottom line is that there is a problem with "bots" and resellers, if this helps to combat those folks, then its ultimately a good thing...
We could all come up with a ton of reasons why it sucks, for sure, but alas here we are..
Lets use the 10C hive mind to our advantage and make the system work for us the best we can, whatever it is...Sorry, I did a short cut of that idea, requiring a purchase history with a matching location to buy tickets, would be only for F2F for the first 72 hours after a ticket is posted.
Regarding the verified sale tickets, that’s a little tricker because yes, they need to allow first time buyers…perhaps TM could reject an intitial appplication for verification if there is zero purchase history, but allow first time buyers a second registration and only allow personal accounts and cc’s with GPS verification. This should eliminate many corporate accounts. Ironically, the verified sale may be the trickiest to stop brokers.
If we can only get tickets one of three ways…fan club, F2F and verified sale, stopping bots in two of those categories could be a big win for fans.
I do like the first part. Try and prevent duplicate accounts. Right now you can use a credit card with different ownership on anyone's account and what not. If they put in an effort, they could probably find a way to cut down or disallow duplicate accounts. I don't think they will, because for most of the sales they want to be selling tickets, not restricting the sale of them :(
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Yup, that's the way it's been for a while. You click add pass and it adds it to the google wallet on the device. I've used this to put clients on my wife's TM account on my google wallet, and on Saturday I put tickets I had on my friends phone using it. I was still able to download my Monday tickets onto my own phone, after having put tickets on my friends phone on Saturday.SHZA said:Dug out an old android. Is this what typically has shown up? Not sure if this would prevent splitting a pair across two Google accounts or if it would permanently link this TM account to this Google account as opposed to just for this ticket
Not sure if anroid changed over the past few days, but this has been a pretty exploitable loophole for a while.0 -
This 100%...Lerxst1992 said:PhartN said:
Could be a lot of first timers, that would likely block out quite a few real people that legitimately are first time show goers (ive seen quite a few posting here on the boards)Lerxst1992 said:PhartN said:
It also requires multifactor/matching face recog to transfer the ticket to apple wallet as well as apple id, which will prohibit the third party sites/resellers from being able to sell all the face value/F2F tickets to people for over face...this is on iOS at least, still waiting for data RE: android.Lerxst1992 said:TM is trying to stop bots by requiring a matching email account that the user is logged into at the time of the show?If that’s correct what stops the broker from creating transferable email addresses to accompany the disposable TM account?There are much easier ways to prevent bots from buying on F2F by simply identifying disposable TM accounts at time of purchase based on the account history.
If there are much easier ways to prohibit bots, and you know how, please DM me so we can start a business and cash in...Bots for F2F - if brokers are using disposable TM accounts, that should be very easy for TM to identify based on lack of purchase history and record and location of shows attended.
Face ID , wonderful, and if we don’t use pr want to use Face ID?
FaceID OR Pin Code, whatever MFA you have turned on, point is MFA to ensure the ticket buyer is the ticket user...again, TBD on the actual details yet..
The bottom line is that there is a problem with "bots" and resellers, if this helps to combat those folks, then its ultimately a good thing...
We could all come up with a ton of reasons why it sucks, for sure, but alas here we are..
Lets use the 10C hive mind to our advantage and make the system work for us the best we can, whatever it is...
If we can only get tickets one of three ways…fan club, F2F and verified sale, stopping bots in two of those categories could be a big win for fans.
Clearly, this is a very difficult issue for a plethora of reasons, some of which certainly includes TM's own practices/relationships with 3rd parties....for this particular tour, it seems like "they" are trying to stop the bots with this...it sucks that its hard for "us", but i would rather it be difficult for us and nearly impossible for bots than sort of hard for us and a free for all for the bots....1995: New Orleans, LA
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2013: Baltimore, MD
2016: Hampton, VA
2020: Baltimore, MD Cancelled
2023: Noblesville, IN Cancelled/Rescheduled
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Thanks for the welcome!Lerxst1992 said:PhartN said:
found this for you... https://community.pearljam.com/discussion/301792/official-complainers-thread#latestLerxst1992 said:mikesbri said:-"North American tickets are non-transferable* and non-refundable. Pearl Jam has partnered with Ticketmaster to help fans get their tickets at face value. On the night of the show, all guests will be required to enter with the ticket purchaser." 10C ticket policy not sure if always been like this but seems maybe they are enforcing now.So now we need an android or mobile phone. We need an Apple ID tied to a TM account with Face ID. What’s next, we bring a lawyer with us to a show? “I bought tickets on vivid therefore I am a ticket purchaser, let me in.” I realize that’s wrong but there are simpler ways to limit bots ability to buy F2F and verified tickets,without creating a tech nightmare 1 hour before showtime for fans.
Since we are being wise asses, found this for you
https://community.pearljam.com/discussion/228366/forum-posting-guidelines#latestWelcome to the forum.
I probably skirted a couple, but i also tried to follow a few...respectfully
Now, back to our regularly scheduled programming...1995: New Orleans, LA
2006: Washington, D.C.
2008: Washington, D.C.
2010: Bristow, VA
2013: Baltimore, MD
2016: Hampton, VA
2020: Baltimore, MD Cancelled
2023: Noblesville, IN Cancelled/Rescheduled
2024: Seattle, WA N1 & N2 - Indianapolis, IN- Baltimore, MD
2025: Hollywood, FL N2 - Pittsburgh, PA N1 & N20 -
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So are there going to be a flood of tickets come to the market when scalpers realize bot tickets can't be transferred?
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Let's hope so.Hollywoodbwa said:So are there going to be a flood of tickets come to the market when scalpers realize bot tickets can't be transferred?
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Wouldn't bet on it0
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Was talking to @JE224127 on this point earlier...Hollywoodbwa said:So are there going to be a flood of tickets come to the market when scalpers realize bot tickets can't be transferred?
Wrinkle is, they have to have a bank account to sell back to TM....this will be very interesting on how it plays out...1995: New Orleans, LA
2006: Washington, D.C.
2008: Washington, D.C.
2010: Bristow, VA
2013: Baltimore, MD
2016: Hampton, VA
2020: Baltimore, MD Cancelled
2023: Noblesville, IN Cancelled/Rescheduled
2024: Seattle, WA N1 & N2 - Indianapolis, IN- Baltimore, MD
2025: Hollywood, FL N2 - Pittsburgh, PA N1 & N20 -
I wonder if TM is communicating with third party sites to advise their customers that their tickets may not be useable.. Stub hub and Tickpick could be on the hook with their guarantees, which could create a melt down. What is most likely is that they will start to ween off these tickets so that TM will not be impacted with a sudden influx of tickets. Which for upcoming shows could make current available inventory unsellable. But for some reason shows in the fall seem to have been more often resold to fans.. Also would be interesting to see of people who bought tickets with burner accounts can setup the bank accounts and SS numbers needed to resell on F2F. My guess is that cant and those tickets could just go unsold.GlowGirl said:
Let's hope so.Hollywoodbwa said:So are there going to be a flood of tickets come to the market when scalpers realize bot tickets can't be transferred?0 -
Why is that a problem? Ticket brokers have bank accountsPhartN said:
Was talking to @JE224127 on this point earlier...Hollywoodbwa said:So are there going to be a flood of tickets come to the market when scalpers realize bot tickets can't be transferred?
Wrinkle is, they have to have a bank account to sell back to TM....this will be very interesting on how it plays out...0
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