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PJNB

craigraether said:

GlowGirl said:

Hollywoodbwa said:

So are there going to be a flood of tickets come to the market when scalpers realize bot tickets can't be transferred?

Let's hope so.

I wonder if TM is communicating with third party sites to advise their customers that their tickets may not be useable.. Stub hub and Tickpick could be on the hook with their guarantees, which could create a melt down. What is most likely is that they will start to ween off these tickets so that TM will not be impacted with a sudden influx of tickets. Which for upcoming shows could make current available inventory unsellable. But for some reason shows in the fall seem to have been more often resold to fans.. Also would be interesting to see of people who bought tickets with burner accounts can setup the bank accounts and SS numbers needed to resell on F2F. My guess is that cant and those tickets could just go unsold. 

I am not following what the issue would be. I could use my one bank account on hundreds of TM accounts if thats what I had setup and was selling them back on fan to fan. 

northerndragon

Since an awesome TC member just hooked me up with GA for Portland, I now have a pair in sec 111 row H seats 5 &6 to pay it forward with. Let me know if you're interested and we can work it out.

Sold.

PhartN

SHZA said:

PhartN said:

Hollywoodbwa said:

So are there going to be a flood of tickets come to the market when scalpers realize bot tickets can't be transferred?

Was talking to @JE224127 on this point earlier...

Wrinkle is, they have to have a bank account to sell back to TM....this will be very interesting on how it plays out...

Why is that a problem? Ticket brokers have bank accounts 

lol.....if they are using bank accounts vs cards?  not sure how they are operating, but was a potential wrinkle for selling back to TM was the thought at least..to your point though, surely they thought about this in the event their tickets dont sell as they would have to dump eventually....

Lerxst1992

Zod said:

craigraether said:

Lerxst1992 said:

PhartN said:

Lerxst1992 said:

PhartN said:

Lerxst1992 said:

TM is trying to stop bots by requiring a matching email account that the user is logged into at the time of the show? 

If that’s correct what stops the broker from creating transferable email addresses to accompany the disposable TM account? 

There are much easier ways to prevent bots from buying on F2F by simply identifying disposable TM accounts at time of purchase based on the account history.

It also requires multifactor/matching face recog to transfer the ticket to apple wallet as well as apple id, which will prohibit the third party sites/resellers from being able to sell all the face value/F2F tickets to people for over face...this is on iOS at least, still waiting for data RE: android.

If there are much easier ways to prohibit bots, and you know how, please DM me so we can start a business and cash in...

Bots for F2F - if brokers are using disposable TM accounts, that should be very easy for TM to identify based on lack of purchase history and record and location of shows attended.

Face ID , wonderful, and if we don’t use pr want to use Face ID?

Could be a lot of first timers, that would likely block out quite a few real people that legitimately are first time show goers (ive seen quite a few posting here on the boards) 

FaceID OR Pin Code, whatever MFA you have turned on, point is MFA to ensure the ticket buyer is the ticket user...again, TBD on the actual details yet..

The bottom line is that there is a problem with "bots" and resellers, if this helps to combat those folks, then its ultimately a good thing...

We could all come up with a ton of reasons why it sucks, for sure, but alas here we are..

Lets use the 10C hive mind to our advantage and make the system work for us the best we can, whatever it is...

Sorry, I did a short cut of that idea, requiring a purchase history with a matching location to buy tickets, would be only for F2F for the first 72 hours after a ticket is posted.

 Regarding the verified sale tickets, that’s a little tricker because yes, they need to allow first time buyers…perhaps TM could reject an intitial appplication for verification if there is zero purchase history, but allow first time buyers a second registration and only allow personal accounts and cc’s with GPS verification. This should eliminate many corporate accounts. Ironically, the verified sale may be the trickiest to stop brokers.

If we can only get tickets one of three ways…fan club, F2F and verified sale, stopping bots in two of those categories could be a big win for fans.

To Stop BOTs and resellers, TM could create a verified account program. The account would need to be verified with phone, email and credit card/bank account. Each account would need each  to be unique to be verified. Then only verified accounts can buy F2F tickets for 4 hours once posted. There for burner accounts would not have access.  you could also lock 10C tickets on fan to fan so that only 10c could buy tickets that were bought from 10c... giving fans the first chance. 

That's too complicated. I don't think TM will put in the effort for that.  Having to sync their databased to 10c's database and what not.    They barely put in an effort in the first place.  It's just the regular reselling platform locked to a specific price (which is why it's buggy as hell).

I do like the first part.   Try and prevent duplicate accounts.  Right now you can use a credit card with different ownership on anyone's account and what not.  If they put in an effort, they could probably find a way to cut down or disallow duplicate accounts.   I don't think they will, because for most of the sales they want to be selling tickets, not restricting the sale of them :(

How about F2F ticket purchases first day of posting requires a code only provided to ten c members? That code could be traceable to member account so if they end up resold on a broker sites the membership here is at risk.

P-Town-P-Jam-Fan

Hollywoodbwa said:

So are there going to be a flood of tickets come to the market when scalpers realize bot tickets can't be transferred?

They are transferring them.  All those tickets being sold on Stubhub or SeatGeek, etc are being transferred and everyone buying are feeding the scalpers who are using software to do wallet transfers.  

Eddieredder

craigraether said:

Eddieredder said:

craigraether said:

Lerxst1992 said:

PhartN said:

Lerxst1992 said:

PhartN said:

Lerxst1992 said:

TM is trying to stop bots by requiring a matching email account that the user is logged into at the time of the show? 

If that’s correct what stops the broker from creating transferable email addresses to accompany the disposable TM account? 

There are much easier ways to prevent bots from buying on F2F by simply identifying disposable TM accounts at time of purchase based on the account history.

It also requires multifactor/matching face recog to transfer the ticket to apple wallet as well as apple id, which will prohibit the third party sites/resellers from being able to sell all the face value/F2F tickets to people for over face...this is on iOS at least, still waiting for data RE: android.

If there are much easier ways to prohibit bots, and you know how, please DM me so we can start a business and cash in...

Bots for F2F - if brokers are using disposable TM accounts, that should be very easy for TM to identify based on lack of purchase history and record and location of shows attended.

Face ID , wonderful, and if we don’t use pr want to use Face ID?

Could be a lot of first timers, that would likely block out quite a few real people that legitimately are first time show goers (ive seen quite a few posting here on the boards) 

FaceID OR Pin Code, whatever MFA you have turned on, point is MFA to ensure the ticket buyer is the ticket user...again, TBD on the actual details yet..

The bottom line is that there is a problem with "bots" and resellers, if this helps to combat those folks, then its ultimately a good thing...

We could all come up with a ton of reasons why it sucks, for sure, but alas here we are..

Lets use the 10C hive mind to our advantage and make the system work for us the best we can, whatever it is...

Sorry, I did a short cut of that idea, requiring a purchase history with a matching location to buy tickets, would be only for F2F for the first 72 hours after a ticket is posted.

 Regarding the verified sale tickets, that’s a little tricker because yes, they need to allow first time buyers…perhaps TM could reject an intitial appplication for verification if there is zero purchase history, but allow first time buyers a second registration and only allow personal accounts and cc’s with GPS verification. This should eliminate many corporate accounts. Ironically, the verified sale may be the trickiest to stop brokers.

If we can only get tickets one of three ways…fan club, F2F and verified sale, stopping bots in two of those categories could be a big win for fans.

To Stop BOTs and resellers, TM could create a verified account program. The account would need to be verified with phone, email and credit card/bank account. Each account would need each  to be unique to be verified. Then only verified accounts can buy F2F tickets for 4 hours once posted. There for burner accounts would not have access.  you could also lock 10C tickets on fan to fan so that only 10c could buy tickets that were bought from 10c... giving fans the first chance. 

It would be a pain. But yeah multiple points of verification would help even more. ID, mobile ticket, cc, and paper ticket with your name on it? Might take an hour to get into the building! 

Glass half empty. You can always walk in with the ticket owner scalper. There is no way to ever fix that. 

More of pain than all the great seats ending up on stub hub ? 

im fine with it. but im not the person you need to sell the idea on. it all adds to the infrastructure in the end, and someone or something has to manage that. That costs in the end. 

Eddieredder

PhartN said:

Hollywoodbwa said:

So are there going to be a flood of tickets come to the market when scalpers realize bot tickets can't be transferred?

Was talking to @JE224127 on this point earlier...

Wrinkle is, they have to have a bank account to sell back to TM....this will be very interesting on how it plays out...

Thats easy to get around. I created a wise account to sell my Vancouver tix. Really quick and easy to do. 

100 Pacer

Zod said:

SHZA said:

Dug out an old android. Is this what typically has shown up? Not sure if this would prevent splitting a pair across two Google accounts or if it would permanently link this TM account to this Google account as opposed to just for this ticket 

Yup, that's the way it's been for a while.  You click add pass and it adds it to the google wallet on the device.  I've used this to put clients on my wife's TM account on my google wallet, and on Saturday I put tickets I had on my friends phone using it.  I was still able to download my Monday tickets onto my own phone, after having put tickets on my friends phone on Saturday.

Not sure if anroid changed over the past few days, but this has been a pretty exploitable loophole for a while.

And with respect it’s being discussed so openly that it’s just a matter of time before the band instructs Ticketmaster to shut down this as well.

100 Pacer

P-Town-P-Jam-Fan said:

Hollywoodbwa said:

So are there going to be a flood of tickets come to the market when scalpers realize bot tickets can't be transferred?

They are transferring them.  All those tickets being sold on Stubhub or SeatGeek, etc are being transferred and everyone buying are feeding the scalpers who are using software to do wallet transfers.  

See what happens come Portland.

Hollywoodbwa

P-Town-P-Jam-Fan said:

Hollywoodbwa said:

So are there going to be a flood of tickets come to the market when scalpers realize bot tickets can't be transferred?

They are transferring them.  All those tickets being sold on Stubhub or SeatGeek, etc are being transferred and everyone buying are feeding the scalpers who are using software to do wallet transfers.  

Not sure you are up to speed. The band and ticketmaster just changed some policies sounds like.

SHZA

P-Town-P-Jam-Fan said:

Hollywoodbwa said:

So are there going to be a flood of tickets come to the market when scalpers realize bot tickets can't be transferred?

They are transferring them.  All those tickets being sold on Stubhub or SeatGeek, etc are being transferred and everyone buying are feeding the scalpers who are using software to do wallet transfers.  

But the ability to transfer them to date may have required using the barcode from the original ticket and putting it in a transferable format. Since there's no longer a barcode . . . 

Go Animal

aisleseats said:

Just grabbed Sec C Row 4 on the center aisle for LA2. If anyone here dropped, thanks!

DM'ing ya

Zod

100 Pacer said:

Zod said:

SHZA said:

Dug out an old android. Is this what typically has shown up? Not sure if this would prevent splitting a pair across two Google accounts or if it would permanently link this TM account to this Google account as opposed to just for this ticket 

Yup, that's the way it's been for a while.  You click add pass and it adds it to the google wallet on the device.  I've used this to put clients on my wife's TM account on my google wallet, and on Saturday I put tickets I had on my friends phone using it.  I was still able to download my Monday tickets onto my own phone, after having put tickets on my friends phone on Saturday.

Not sure if anroid changed over the past few days, but this has been a pretty exploitable loophole for a while.

And with respect it’s being discussed so openly that it’s just a matter of time before the band instructs Ticketmaster to shut down this as well.

I mean, I don't know if it's a good or bad thing.   I think it's neutral in my case.  I could of found another way to get my friends into the PJ show.  Hey they just released side stage tickets, go get them now kind of thing.  

I tend to lean on the, anything that can be tightened up to prevent reselling, I'm all for it.   Even if it makes life slightly more difficult, or I have to eat a pair once in a blue moon.

I did notice my Google Wallet, has the icon for tapping now, so I wonder if the days of the bar code in the Google wallet are numbered.

Zod

SHZA said:

P-Town-P-Jam-Fan said:

Hollywoodbwa said:

So are there going to be a flood of tickets come to the market when scalpers realize bot tickets can't be transferred?

They are transferring them.  All those tickets being sold on Stubhub or SeatGeek, etc are being transferred and everyone buying are feeding the scalpers who are using software to do wallet transfers.  

But the ability to transfer them to date may have required using the barcode from the original ticket and putting it in a transferable format. Since there's no longer a barcode . . . 

Is that how the loophole works? I knew somehow they could get the barcode to a buyer, but my brain thought it was something like relaying screen via a 3rd party website or something. 

I think there's still technically a bar code.  The Google Wallet still has a bar code in it, but I am seeing an icon for tapping, so maybe it's days are numbered.

CROJAM95

Straw Poll

I have 4 tix to choose from on both Vegas shows....other 2 will go to friends, or may get put back on F2F

Which would you choose...the SCREEN plays a roll

Vegas 1 Section 10 row j or  section 7 Row X
Vegas 2 Section 11 row j or section 27 row u

your opinion counts

SHZA

Zod said:

SHZA said:

P-Town-P-Jam-Fan said:

Hollywoodbwa said:

So are there going to be a flood of tickets come to the market when scalpers realize bot tickets can't be transferred?

They are transferring them.  All those tickets being sold on Stubhub or SeatGeek, etc are being transferred and everyone buying are feeding the scalpers who are using software to do wallet transfers.  

But the ability to transfer them to date may have required using the barcode from the original ticket and putting it in a transferable format. Since there's no longer a barcode . . . 

Is that how the loophole works? I knew somehow they could get the barcode to a buyer, but my brain thought it was something like relaying screen via a 3rd party website or something. 

I think there's still technically a bar code.  The Google Wallet still has a bar code in it, but I am seeing an icon for tapping, so maybe it's days are numbered.

I'm not sure exactly how it works. The website makes sense too. Will be interesting to see how it plays out. 

RT228921

RT228921 said:

Posted this elsewhere but I have a pair of floor tix for vegas n2 if anyone has a pair in the stands that are good I'm willing to trade

Don't people go crazy for floor GA tix? Maybe I missed something. DM me if you're interested. 

PJNB

I just think its pretty ridiculous that there is so much uncertainty with how Portland is going to work and 10C and TM are not saying a thing on the matter. 

They know plenty of people are going to be at the door trying to get in and are likely going to be turned away. 

This is a fanbase that does not understand the difference between VF presale and 10C presale lol. 

Also how does GA and reserved seats work for someone that has both on their phone. In the past some venues would give the reserved seats actual tickets since they would be split up into separate entrances. Now it is looking to be even more strict with no login sharing and they are not saying a word on the matter. 

Hopefully Portland is smooth for all but I just am not sure how it will be looking at it as it is 2 days out. 

PhartN

CROJAM95 said:

Straw Poll

I have 4 tix to choose from on both Vegas shows....other 2 will go to friends, or may get put back on F2F

Which would you choose...the SCREEN plays a roll

Vegas 1 Section 10 row j or  section 7 Row X
Vegas 2 Section 11 row j or section 27 row u

your opinion counts

without knowing that venue at all, id say sec 7 and 27 are a go...my thoughts..? unless you want to see the screens...?

jjflash

CROJAM95 said:

Straw Poll

I have 4 tix to choose from on both Vegas shows....other 2 will go to friends, or may get put back on F2F

Which would you choose...the SCREEN plays a roll

Vegas 1 Section 10 row j or  section 7 Row X
Vegas 2 Section 11 row j or section 27 row u

your opinion counts

I'd split the difference: closer to side stage one night, then for the next night sacrifice proximity to the stage in order to better see the screen. FWIW, my buddy and I at N1 Vancouver were very close to your section 10 seats....these were great for seeing the band interact on stage but the visuals weren't fully experienced. For N2 were were Row 8 center section on the floor and it was a game-changer in both the ability to see the visuals which, in turn, upped the overall show experience. Good news is you have a no-lose situation....hope your enjoy the shows!