A right of return for Ten Club seat tickets for Berlin - now!

TinaE

JABK said:

I pressume we won't get an answer from any organizer here, but it seems we're quite a few Ten clubbers in A1 and E2...we are damn close to the stage so I think the best way to deal with this is to just have an awesome party with it and sing our hearts out.

That's how I see it too. If we don't get relocated, we'll just make the best of it!

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Jimmi

JABK said:

I pressume we won't get an answer from any organizer here, but it seems we're quite a few Ten clubbers in A1 and E2...we are damn close to the stage so I think the best way to deal with this is to just have an awesome party with it and sing our hearts out.

This is how we'll do it, see you 2 july in A1! 🤙

Zen23

I still have two tickets for sale in A1 for July 2. And one ticket in A1 for July 3. When will it be possible to sell these officially via Ticketmaster?

JABK

Jimmi said:

JABK said:

I pressume we won't get an answer from any organizer here, but it seems we're quite a few Ten clubbers in A1 and E2...we are damn close to the stage so I think the best way to deal with this is to just have an awesome party with it and sing our hearts out.

This is how we'll do it, see you 2 july in A1! 🤙

Bummer...we're in E2 on night 2...but we'll still rock hard 🤟

Jimmi

JABK said:

Jimmi said:

JABK said:

I pressume we won't get an answer from any organizer here, but it seems we're quite a few Ten clubbers in A1 and E2...we are damn close to the stage so I think the best way to deal with this is to just have an awesome party with it and sing our hearts out.

This is how we'll do it, see you 2 july in A1! 🤙

Bummer...we're in E2 on night 2...but we'll still rock hard 🤟

Will be in GA on night 2. All will be good 🤞

JABK

Jimmi said:

JABK said:

Jimmi said:

JABK said:

I pressume we won't get an answer from any organizer here, but it seems we're quite a few Ten clubbers in A1 and E2...we are damn close to the stage so I think the best way to deal with this is to just have an awesome party with it and sing our hearts out.

This is how we'll do it, see you 2 july in A1! 🤙

Bummer...we're in E2 on night 2...but we'll still rock hard 🤟

Will be in GA on night 2. All will be good 🤞

And as I've mentioned before, Vienna was my only show on the last tour so all will be good as long as they make it to the stage this time 😉

linusvanpelt

Hi there 
i am also in a1 Both Nights and also very disapointed
question: what will happen when i tell my Credit Card Not to Pay the amount to Ticketmaster ?
will tm push through the demand ?

aurelgugus

linusvanpelt said:

Hi there 
i am also in a1 Both Nights and also very disapointed
question: what will happen when i tell my Credit Card Not to Pay the amount to Ticketmaster ?
will tm push through the demand ?

Cards have already been charged.

axeljohan

linusvanpelt said:

Hi there 
i am also in a1 Both Nights and also very disapointed
question: what will happen when i tell my Credit Card Not to Pay the amount to Ticketmaster ?
will tm push through the demand ?

Legally, I would not be sure if you can sell „possible view obstructed seats“ without noticing the buyer in advance about that. But you never know.

chalon

linusvanpelt said:

Hi there 
i am also in a1 Both Nights and also very disapointed
question: what will happen when i tell my Credit Card Not to Pay the amount to Ticketmaster ?
will tm push through the demand ?

You can do that but would likely get you banned from buying any future tickets through TM and through 10C.

Zen23

axeljohan said:

linusvanpelt said:

Hi there 
i am also in a1 Both Nights and also very disapointed
question: what will happen when i tell my Credit Card Not to Pay the amount to Ticketmaster ?
will tm push through the demand ?

Legally, I would not be sure if you can sell „possible view obstructed seats“ without noticing the buyer in advance about that. But you never know.

The core of the misery in a nutshell. 

FreddyMyer666

linusvanpelt said:

Hi there 
i am also in a1 Both Nights and also very disapointed
question: what will happen when i tell my Credit Card Not to Pay the amount to Ticketmaster ?
will tm push through the demand ?

I'm sorry to say so, but that's not possible. CC-payments are guaranteed. The option to regain the money is only in case of fraud.

I scored both Berlin nights. Received A1 + E2 in the upper third rows. Unfortunately this is a huge let down. I get that seniority seating assignment. That's fair and I'm totally ok to sit behind loyal long time members. Having an obstructed view for EUR 175 (USD 190) is something completely different. I'm really dissappointed with that outcome.

JABK

FreddyMyer666 said:

linusvanpelt said:

Hi there 
i am also in a1 Both Nights and also very disapointed
question: what will happen when i tell my Credit Card Not to Pay the amount to Ticketmaster ?
will tm push through the demand ?

I'm sorry to say so, but that's not possible. CC-payments are guaranteed. The option to regain the money is only in case of fraud.

I scored both Berlin nights. Received A1 + E2 in the upper third rows. Unfortunately this is a huge let down. I get that seniority seating assignment. That's fair and I'm totally ok to sit behind loyal long time members. Having an obstructed view for EUR 175 (USD 190) is something completely different. I'm really dissappointed with that outcome.

Spot on! My biggest complain here is the lack of transparency. Either you say in advance that there is a chance you end up with obstructed view through Ten Club ticketing, or you come out afterwards and say you made a mistake with seat locations for Ten Club members.

JackD.

FreddyMyer666 said:

linusvanpelt said:

Hi there 
i am also in a1 Both Nights and also very disapointed
question: what will happen when i tell my Credit Card Not to Pay the amount to Ticketmaster ?
will tm push through the demand ?

I'm sorry to say so, but that's not possible. CC-payments are guaranteed. The option to regain the money is only in case of fraud.

I scored both Berlin nights. Received A1 + E2 in the upper third rows. Unfortunately this is a huge let down. I get that seniority seating assignment. That's fair and I'm totally ok to sit behind loyal long time members. Having an obstructed view for EUR 175 (USD 190) is something completely different. I'm really dissappointed with that outcome.

What you just described I would call fraud. You were offered the best seats in the house and got obstructed view. Product handed over is not what’s been advertised. That‘s why I think OPs idea would be successful. But yeah, probably with the risk of being banned from all systems.

RatherStarved

JABK said:

FreddyMyer666 said:

linusvanpelt said:

Hi there 
i am also in a1 Both Nights and also very disapointed
question: what will happen when i tell my Credit Card Not to Pay the amount to Ticketmaster ?
will tm push through the demand ?

I'm sorry to say so, but that's not possible. CC-payments are guaranteed. The option to regain the money is only in case of fraud.

I scored both Berlin nights. Received A1 + E2 in the upper third rows. Unfortunately this is a huge let down. I get that seniority seating assignment. That's fair and I'm totally ok to sit behind loyal long time members. Having an obstructed view for EUR 175 (USD 190) is something completely different. I'm really dissappointed with that outcome.

Spot on! My biggest complain here is the lack of transparency. Either you say in advance that there is a chance you end up with obstructed view through Ten Club ticketing, or you come out afterwards and say you made a mistake with seat locations for Ten Club members.

This ^

bleecker

JackD. said:

FreddyMyer666 said:

linusvanpelt said:

Hi there 
i am also in a1 Both Nights and also very disapointed
question: what will happen when i tell my Credit Card Not to Pay the amount to Ticketmaster ?
will tm push through the demand ?

I'm sorry to say so, but that's not possible. CC-payments are guaranteed. The option to regain the money is only in case of fraud.

I scored both Berlin nights. Received A1 + E2 in the upper third rows. Unfortunately this is a huge let down. I get that seniority seating assignment. That's fair and I'm totally ok to sit behind loyal long time members. Having an obstructed view for EUR 175 (USD 190) is something completely different. I'm really dissappointed with that outcome.

What you just described I would call fraud. You were offered the best seats in the house and got obstructed view. Product handed over is not what’s been advertised. That‘s why I think OPs idea would be successful. But yeah, probably with the risk of being banned from all systems.

Nobody was offered best seats in the house. According to the original seating plan (see OP) your seat could have been anywhere from A1 to L2. It is indeed strange that all TC seats appear to be located in A1 and E2, but these areas where part of the deal from the beginning.

RatherStarved

bleecker said:

JackD. said:

FreddyMyer666 said:

linusvanpelt said:

Hi there 
i am also in a1 Both Nights and also very disapointed
question: what will happen when i tell my Credit Card Not to Pay the amount to Ticketmaster ?
will tm push through the demand ?

I'm sorry to say so, but that's not possible. CC-payments are guaranteed. The option to regain the money is only in case of fraud.

I scored both Berlin nights. Received A1 + E2 in the upper third rows. Unfortunately this is a huge let down. I get that seniority seating assignment. That's fair and I'm totally ok to sit behind loyal long time members. Having an obstructed view for EUR 175 (USD 190) is something completely different. I'm really dissappointed with that outcome.

What you just described I would call fraud. You were offered the best seats in the house and got obstructed view. Product handed over is not what’s been advertised. That‘s why I think OPs idea would be successful. But yeah, probably with the risk of being banned from all systems.

Nobody was offered best seats in the house. According to the original seating plan (see third post) your seat could have been anywhere from A1 to L2. It ist indeed strange that all TC seats appear to be located in A1 and E2, but these areas where part of the deal from the beginning.

It is true.  However they did not disclose the possibility of obstructed view.  

bleecker

RatherStarved said:

bleecker said:

JackD. said:

FreddyMyer666 said:

linusvanpelt said:

Hi there 
i am also in a1 Both Nights and also very disapointed
question: what will happen when i tell my Credit Card Not to Pay the amount to Ticketmaster ?
will tm push through the demand ?

I'm sorry to say so, but that's not possible. CC-payments are guaranteed. The option to regain the money is only in case of fraud.

I scored both Berlin nights. Received A1 + E2 in the upper third rows. Unfortunately this is a huge let down. I get that seniority seating assignment. That's fair and I'm totally ok to sit behind loyal long time members. Having an obstructed view for EUR 175 (USD 190) is something completely different. I'm really dissappointed with that outcome.

What you just described I would call fraud. You were offered the best seats in the house and got obstructed view. Product handed over is not what’s been advertised. That‘s why I think OPs idea would be successful. But yeah, probably with the risk of being banned from all systems.

Nobody was offered best seats in the house. According to the original seating plan (see third post) your seat could have been anywhere from A1 to L2. It ist indeed strange that all TC seats appear to be located in A1 and E2, but these areas where part of the deal from the beginning.

It is true.  However they did not disclose the possibility of obstructed view.  

Also true. But we dont know how much of an issue that really ist going to be. I would think A1 with possible obstructed view might still be better than a lot of seats in the L or I section, at least the pricing for other Events indicates this. 

RatherStarved

bleecker said:

RatherStarved said:

bleecker said:

JackD. said:

FreddyMyer666 said:

linusvanpelt said:

Hi there 
i am also in a1 Both Nights and also very disapointed
question: what will happen when i tell my Credit Card Not to Pay the amount to Ticketmaster ?
will tm push through the demand ?

I'm sorry to say so, but that's not possible. CC-payments are guaranteed. The option to regain the money is only in case of fraud.

I scored both Berlin nights. Received A1 + E2 in the upper third rows. Unfortunately this is a huge let down. I get that seniority seating assignment. That's fair and I'm totally ok to sit behind loyal long time members. Having an obstructed view for EUR 175 (USD 190) is something completely different. I'm really dissappointed with that outcome.

What you just described I would call fraud. You were offered the best seats in the house and got obstructed view. Product handed over is not what’s been advertised. That‘s why I think OPs idea would be successful. But yeah, probably with the risk of being banned from all systems.

Nobody was offered best seats in the house. According to the original seating plan (see third post) your seat could have been anywhere from A1 to L2. It ist indeed strange that all TC seats appear to be located in A1 and E2, but these areas where part of the deal from the beginning.

It is true.  However they did not disclose the possibility of obstructed view.  

Also true. But we dont know how much of an issue that really ist going to be. I would think A1 with possible obstructed view might still be better than a lot of seats in the L or I section, at least the pricing for other Events indicates this. 

I’m personally in about row 16 and about 6 seats in from the next section so closer to the next section in than the wall.  I’m cautiously optimistic that might be a decent if not good seat (and if anyone has insight please share!)

However I definitely would not have entered the draw had they indicated the awarded seats may have obstructed views.  

And now the uncertainty is taking the joy out of planning.  Even if my seats end up being good I will be wondering about it for 4 months.  That’s not what anyone wants to buy.  

FreddyMyer666

So let's keep focusing on the good things here. When Eddie stands on the frontmost edge of the stage there's quite a good chance we might see him in Berlin. And I have a really good feeling that the music will be great (don't know about the sound though). - sarcasm out-