European Tour Sales = Desaster

vedpunk

Spiritual_Chaos said:

vedpunk said:

lastexitlondon said:

It's not fine to charge 170 a ticket anywhere 

Wrong, it’s fine charging a lot more for the best seats.  You get what you pay for, that’s how the world works.  We were just spoiled for so long with PJ Ten Club tickets when they were the best in house. 

Wrong. It's fine keeping the price under 170 dollars for even the best tickets. How you treat others, affects how you are seen - that's how the world works. We were just being treated pretty fairly for so long with PJ Ten Club tickets when they were the best in the house.

 Sorry but no other band of PJ’s caliber priced GA and premier fan club tickets so low by subsidizing them through the 1 tier price system .  It was great while it lasted but eventually it would fail. 

axeljohan

vedpunk said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

vedpunk said:

lastexitlondon said:

It's not fine to charge 170 a ticket anywhere 

Wrong, it’s fine charging a lot more for the best seats.  You get what you pay for, that’s how the world works.  We were just spoiled for so long with PJ Ten Club tickets when they were the best in house. 

Wrong. It's fine keeping the price under 170 dollars for even the best tickets. How you treat others, affects how you are seen - that's how the world works. We were just being treated pretty fairly for so long with PJ Ten Club tickets when they were the best in the house.

 Sorry but no other band of PJ’s caliber priced GA and premier fan club tickets so low by subsidizing them through the 1 tier price system .  It was great while it lasted but eventually it would fail. 

When did we get cheap PJ tickets for the last time?. They were at the high end of ticket prices at least since 2009 in Europe. Maybe global superstars like Bruce charged more, but I think that was it. And now, they thought they can charge the same prices like Bruce and it looks like the audience did not like that.

MayDay10

I stopped attending Pearl Jam concerts quite awhile ago.  A lot of it is price-related.  I have the means to afford it for sure, but I am old enough to know the opportunity-cost on spending that kind of money on a consumable ticket.  I can see really good live music for a fraction of the price of a pearl jam ticket.  Plus not have to travel and assume the costs associated with that

pdalowsky

MayDay10 said:

I stopped attending Pearl Jam concerts quite awhile ago.  A lot of it is price-related.  I have the means to afford it for sure, but I am old enough to know the opportunity-cost on spending that kind of money on a consumable ticket.  I can see really good live music for a fraction of the price of a pearl jam ticket.  Plus not have to travel and assume the costs associated with that

Thing is, to me at the very least, they are the finest live band on the planet. 

axeljohan

pdalowsky said:

MayDay10 said:

I stopped attending Pearl Jam concerts quite awhile ago.  A lot of it is price-related.  I have the means to afford it for sure, but I am old enough to know the opportunity-cost on spending that kind of money on a consumable ticket.  I can see really good live music for a fraction of the price of a pearl jam ticket.  Plus not have to travel and assume the costs associated with that

Thing is, to me at the very least, they are the finest live band on the planet. 

Sure, that is why they were able to charge high ticket prices. But to state we had low ticket prices in the past is beyond me.

HK103094

pdalowsky said:

MayDay10 said:

I stopped attending Pearl Jam concerts quite awhile ago.  A lot of it is price-related.  I have the means to afford it for sure, but I am old enough to know the opportunity-cost on spending that kind of money on a consumable ticket.  I can see really good live music for a fraction of the price of a pearl jam ticket.  Plus not have to travel and assume the costs associated with that

Thing is, to me at the very least, they are the finest live band on the planet. 

Agree with that.

vedpunk

axeljohan said:

vedpunk said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

vedpunk said:

lastexitlondon said:

It's not fine to charge 170 a ticket anywhere 

Wrong, it’s fine charging a lot more for the best seats.  You get what you pay for, that’s how the world works.  We were just spoiled for so long with PJ Ten Club tickets when they were the best in house. 

Wrong. It's fine keeping the price under 170 dollars for even the best tickets. How you treat others, affects how you are seen - that's how the world works. We were just being treated pretty fairly for so long with PJ Ten Club tickets when they were the best in the house.

 Sorry but no other band of PJ’s caliber priced GA and premier fan club tickets so low by subsidizing them through the 1 tier price system .  It was great while it lasted but eventually it would fail. 

When did we get cheap PJ tickets for the last time?. They were at the high end of ticket prices at least since 2009 in Europe. Maybe global superstars like Bruce charged more, but I think that was it. And now, they thought they can charge the same prices like Bruce and it looks like the audience did not like that.

The 1 price system provides some lucky fans with the best seats at far lower than market value but also gives some unlucky fans the worst seats at higher than market value.  That’s the socialist system they’ve run for decades.  My point is it’s time to move to a tiered pricing system that allows us the choice to pay what we are comfortable with based on the level of seats.  

axeljohan

Good news for you: we had a non-socialist-system in Place for Berlin, 10c-seats were mediocre for all (both sections are sold as obstructed view for other concerts). If you wanted the best seats in the house you had to pay TM-Premium for up to 350 EUR.

OfThePearl

I don't remember the exact wording now, but I believe the one tier pricing was in place because PJ did not want only those with more money to have a chance at the best seats. They wanted all their fans, regardless of means, to have a chance to have close seats in prime locations. They didn't want just the "rich and famous" to have those seats show after show.

But yes, one tier pricing Does mean that the back of arena seats are subsidizing the front.
Not sure how to address that. Maybe just a 2nd tier price for the very farthest/highest level would be a bit more fair.

pjl44

OfThePearl said:

I don't remember the exact wording now, but I believe the one tier pricing was in place because PJ did not want only those with more money to have a chance at the best seats. They wanted all their fans, regardless of means, to have a chance to have close seats in prime locations. They didn't want just the "rich and famous" to have those seats show after show.

But yes, one tier pricing Does mean that the back of arena seats are subsidizing the front.
Not sure how to address that. Maybe just a 2nd tier price for the very farthest/highest level would be a bit more fair.

This only works if the good seats are priced like bad seats more than bad seats being priced like good seats. Once it becomes clear that you have to charge a premium you really have no choice but to start tiering.

Not saying this was their rationale but in theory anyway.

Spiritual_Chaos

OfThePearl said:

But yes, one tier pricing Does mean that the back of arena seats are subsidizing the front.
Not sure how to address that. Maybe just a 2nd tier price for the very farthest/highest level would be a bit more fair.

bootlegger10

Will the next Europe tour be 5 festivals and then three other cities?    That is if festivals will trust them.  

marumaruko

bootlegger10 said:

Will the next Europe tour be 5 festivals and then three other cities?    That is if festivals will trust them.  

Festivals generally pay less to artists in Europe. Unless you are the main headliner. But there are not so many festivals left that would book Pearl Jam as the main headliner. Works for NOS, works for Werchter, maybe Lollapalooza every 3-4 years. The other major festivals? They do sell more tickets with hipper/younger artists. 

pdalowsky

marumaruko said:

bootlegger10 said:

Will the next Europe tour be 5 festivals and then three other cities?    That is if festivals will trust them.  

Festivals generally pay less to artists in Europe. Unless you are the main headliner. But there are not so many festivals left that would book Pearl Jam as the main headliner. Works for NOS, works for Werchter, maybe Lollapalooza every 3-4 years. The other major festivals? They do sell more tickets with hipper/younger artists. 

Sense they would be huge in the uk at download or Leeds/reading still

smile6680

MayDay10 said:

I stopped attending Pearl Jam concerts quite awhile ago.  A lot of it is price-related.  I have the means to afford it for sure, but I am old enough to know the opportunity-cost on spending that kind of money on a consumable ticket.  I can see really good live music for a fraction of the price of a pearl jam ticket.  Plus not have to travel and assume the costs associated with that

This is kind of how I feel. After the first Fenway concert I was wondering if the cost is worth it anymore. Tickets have skyrocketed, The venues and cities they choose to play in are way too expensive. My wife and I are also fortunate enough to be able to afford but would rather spend the money elsewhere. 

It turns into easily a thousand dollar night for my wife and I to stay in Boston and attend one of there shows.

D-Day

Just an Sniper View on Barcelona Saturday - filtered is the top end of the scala today Edit: Monday
 

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92-161€ + Cheapest + Total 

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Floor - How that can be??
Filter;)

The End.

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Vanishing Floor in Barcelona
😉there is no 144€ ⚠️
Price + Filter Mess