European Tour Sales = Desaster

PJNB

RatherStarved said:

PJNB said:

I wonder if they even play Berlin next time. It was so odd leaving out Vienna, Prague, and even Amsterdam this year. 

Probably was part of insurance settlement from last time that they couldn’t come back for x years or else it would have been a postponement and not an insured cancellation.  Just a guess. 

Ya I remember reading that and will be interested to see how the next euro tour plays out. 

Cal.PJ.C

Zen23 said:

I read through the interview with Eddie Vedder that appeared in the music magazine Visions. Among other things, he was asked about ticket prices in Europe. I then listened to the Visions editors' podcast, which was published a few days ago on June 26, 2024. In it, the editors - including the editor-in-chief of Visions - spend 30 minutes categorizing Eddie Vedder's statements on ticket prices in Europe.

First of all, the original interview questions and answers on the subject of ticket prices.

Eddie, there has been a lot of excitement in recent weeks about the ticket prices for the upcoming concerts. In Germany, tickets cost 175 euros, and in some categories they were significantly more expensive due to so-called dynamic pricing. Didn't you actually always want to do it differently and make it fairer than everyone else?

Unfortunately, that's more complicated. After corona, everyone wanted to go back on tour as quickly as possible, and why not? That doesn't apply to us, but many colleagues are dependent on the income from tours for their livelihood. As a result, production costs have gotten completely out of hand. You can hardly find a crew anymore, there are problems organizing buses, stages, PA systems, venues. People say: "If you don't pay my price, no problem, someone else will pay it." This even applies to service providers that we have been working with for over 30 years.

Can you still understand that some fans in the forums seem to feel downright cheated?

If we can save money, we pass it on to the fans. But it's essential for us to at least cover our costs. If we had to pay extra and couldn't earn any money at all, we wouldn't go on tour any more.


And now the classification and assessment of his statements by the Visions editors from the podcast and partly from the article itself. Including the editor-in-chief of Visions.

- The price of 175 euros is disproportionately high.

- In the end, ticket prices are also simply a question of the artist fee.

- Even if you have an audience that is wealthy enough to pay 175 euros every two years, that doesn't justify the current prices.

- Since Pearl Jam no longer play 3-hour concerts, the question was raised as to whether Pearl Jam still have the value for money with these ticket prices or whether there is a disproportion.

- On the subject of the new stage design. What has always characterized the band was very long concerts, with variation, joy of playing. Pearl Jam don't need the new visuals or a "show". If this new concert production now leads to a ticket costing 40 or 50 euros more because it all has to be paid for somehow, then you shouldn't be surprised that fans say that the tour is taking place without them.

- Eddie Vedder's answers to the reasons for the high ticket prices are weak. You would have liked him to be clearer. Like Bruce Springsteen. That it's also fair to say that you want to improve your pension. Because you won't be on stage forever. Another example is Fat Mike, who was interviewed by the Visions editors for the NOFX farewell tour. He clearly said: "Yes, the ticket prices in Germany are 30 euros higher than what everyone expected, but that's my pension."

- It was Pearl Jam who stood up to the Ticketmaster monopoly back then, albeit ultimately in vain. The band's unique selling point always seemed to be that they approached things differently to similarly successful colleagues. In this way, they have retained the charm of a multi-platinum underground band over the decades. Pearl Jam are not Taylor Swift or Adele, who are seen as having astronomical ticket prices. The following thought comes to mind: At almost 60, the band members no longer want to play as many concerts as they used to, but want to make just as much money

Would've loved the interviewer to reply with so why are bands like foo fighters only charging 100 a ticket

pdalowsky

Cal.PJ.C said:

Zen23 said:

I read through the interview with Eddie Vedder that appeared in the music magazine Visions. Among other things, he was asked about ticket prices in Europe. I then listened to the Visions editors' podcast, which was published a few days ago on June 26, 2024. In it, the editors - including the editor-in-chief of Visions - spend 30 minutes categorizing Eddie Vedder's statements on ticket prices in Europe.

First of all, the original interview questions and answers on the subject of ticket prices.

Eddie, there has been a lot of excitement in recent weeks about the ticket prices for the upcoming concerts. In Germany, tickets cost 175 euros, and in some categories they were significantly more expensive due to so-called dynamic pricing. Didn't you actually always want to do it differently and make it fairer than everyone else?

Unfortunately, that's more complicated. After corona, everyone wanted to go back on tour as quickly as possible, and why not? That doesn't apply to us, but many colleagues are dependent on the income from tours for their livelihood. As a result, production costs have gotten completely out of hand. You can hardly find a crew anymore, there are problems organizing buses, stages, PA systems, venues. People say: "If you don't pay my price, no problem, someone else will pay it." This even applies to service providers that we have been working with for over 30 years.

Can you still understand that some fans in the forums seem to feel downright cheated?

If we can save money, we pass it on to the fans. But it's essential for us to at least cover our costs. If we had to pay extra and couldn't earn any money at all, we wouldn't go on tour any more.


And now the classification and assessment of his statements by the Visions editors from the podcast and partly from the article itself. Including the editor-in-chief of Visions.

- The price of 175 euros is disproportionately high.

- In the end, ticket prices are also simply a question of the artist fee.

- Even if you have an audience that is wealthy enough to pay 175 euros every two years, that doesn't justify the current prices.

- Since Pearl Jam no longer play 3-hour concerts, the question was raised as to whether Pearl Jam still have the value for money with these ticket prices or whether there is a disproportion.

- On the subject of the new stage design. What has always characterized the band was very long concerts, with variation, joy of playing. Pearl Jam don't need the new visuals or a "show". If this new concert production now leads to a ticket costing 40 or 50 euros more because it all has to be paid for somehow, then you shouldn't be surprised that fans say that the tour is taking place without them.

- Eddie Vedder's answers to the reasons for the high ticket prices are weak. You would have liked him to be clearer. Like Bruce Springsteen. That it's also fair to say that you want to improve your pension. Because you won't be on stage forever. Another example is Fat Mike, who was interviewed by the Visions editors for the NOFX farewell tour. He clearly said: "Yes, the ticket prices in Germany are 30 euros higher than what everyone expected, but that's my pension."

- It was Pearl Jam who stood up to the Ticketmaster monopoly back then, albeit ultimately in vain. The band's unique selling point always seemed to be that they approached things differently to similarly successful colleagues. In this way, they have retained the charm of a multi-platinum underground band over the decades. Pearl Jam are not Taylor Swift or Adele, who are seen as having astronomical ticket prices. The following thought comes to mind: At almost 60, the band members no longer want to play as many concerts as they used to, but want to make just as much money

Would've loved the interviewer to reply with so why are bands like foo fighters only charging 100 a ticket

economies of scale? Pack out stadiums and you can charge a touch less when doing multiple shows? I mean the foos did what 7 UK based shows? maybe even more

Cal.PJ.C

pdalowsky said:

Cal.PJ.C said:

Zen23 said:

I read through the interview with Eddie Vedder that appeared in the music magazine Visions. Among other things, he was asked about ticket prices in Europe. I then listened to the Visions editors' podcast, which was published a few days ago on June 26, 2024. In it, the editors - including the editor-in-chief of Visions - spend 30 minutes categorizing Eddie Vedder's statements on ticket prices in Europe.

First of all, the original interview questions and answers on the subject of ticket prices.

Eddie, there has been a lot of excitement in recent weeks about the ticket prices for the upcoming concerts. In Germany, tickets cost 175 euros, and in some categories they were significantly more expensive due to so-called dynamic pricing. Didn't you actually always want to do it differently and make it fairer than everyone else?

Unfortunately, that's more complicated. After corona, everyone wanted to go back on tour as quickly as possible, and why not? That doesn't apply to us, but many colleagues are dependent on the income from tours for their livelihood. As a result, production costs have gotten completely out of hand. You can hardly find a crew anymore, there are problems organizing buses, stages, PA systems, venues. People say: "If you don't pay my price, no problem, someone else will pay it." This even applies to service providers that we have been working with for over 30 years.

Can you still understand that some fans in the forums seem to feel downright cheated?

If we can save money, we pass it on to the fans. But it's essential for us to at least cover our costs. If we had to pay extra and couldn't earn any money at all, we wouldn't go on tour any more.


And now the classification and assessment of his statements by the Visions editors from the podcast and partly from the article itself. Including the editor-in-chief of Visions.

- The price of 175 euros is disproportionately high.

- In the end, ticket prices are also simply a question of the artist fee.

- Even if you have an audience that is wealthy enough to pay 175 euros every two years, that doesn't justify the current prices.

- Since Pearl Jam no longer play 3-hour concerts, the question was raised as to whether Pearl Jam still have the value for money with these ticket prices or whether there is a disproportion.

- On the subject of the new stage design. What has always characterized the band was very long concerts, with variation, joy of playing. Pearl Jam don't need the new visuals or a "show". If this new concert production now leads to a ticket costing 40 or 50 euros more because it all has to be paid for somehow, then you shouldn't be surprised that fans say that the tour is taking place without them.

- Eddie Vedder's answers to the reasons for the high ticket prices are weak. You would have liked him to be clearer. Like Bruce Springsteen. That it's also fair to say that you want to improve your pension. Because you won't be on stage forever. Another example is Fat Mike, who was interviewed by the Visions editors for the NOFX farewell tour. He clearly said: "Yes, the ticket prices in Germany are 30 euros higher than what everyone expected, but that's my pension."

- It was Pearl Jam who stood up to the Ticketmaster monopoly back then, albeit ultimately in vain. The band's unique selling point always seemed to be that they approached things differently to similarly successful colleagues. In this way, they have retained the charm of a multi-platinum underground band over the decades. Pearl Jam are not Taylor Swift or Adele, who are seen as having astronomical ticket prices. The following thought comes to mind: At almost 60, the band members no longer want to play as many concerts as they used to, but want to make just as much money

Would've loved the interviewer to reply with so why are bands like foo fighters only charging 100 a ticket

economies of scale? Pack out stadiums and you can charge a touch less when doing multiple shows? I mean the foos did what 7 UK based shows? maybe even more

Okay but then for artists of similar popularity, that do arenas and not stadiums ..why are they able to keep the prices down? Why is it pearl jam charging extortionate prices...do pearl jam get charged a special production cost more expensive than other artists? It makes no sense

RatherStarved

Froggie said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

just_one said:

BlueLedbetter said:

I think in future I will be trying for cities I've never visited before so can have a city break somewhere new if the show is cancelled 

Got to pay the balance of my new york trip in the next couple of weeks and not sure if its worth it having been a couple of times before 

The problem is that the european cities they go are always the same.

Not true. I have a rule to ”always” go to s new place. And it has worked so far

 They mostly are tbf. They are never not in Berlin as an example. Every tour going back to 1996. Even 1992. 

Well as it turns out they are not in Berlin in 2024.

pdalowsky

Cal.PJ.C said:

pdalowsky said:

Cal.PJ.C said:

Zen23 said:

I read through the interview with Eddie Vedder that appeared in the music magazine Visions. Among other things, he was asked about ticket prices in Europe. I then listened to the Visions editors' podcast, which was published a few days ago on June 26, 2024. In it, the editors - including the editor-in-chief of Visions - spend 30 minutes categorizing Eddie Vedder's statements on ticket prices in Europe.

First of all, the original interview questions and answers on the subject of ticket prices.

Eddie, there has been a lot of excitement in recent weeks about the ticket prices for the upcoming concerts. In Germany, tickets cost 175 euros, and in some categories they were significantly more expensive due to so-called dynamic pricing. Didn't you actually always want to do it differently and make it fairer than everyone else?

Unfortunately, that's more complicated. After corona, everyone wanted to go back on tour as quickly as possible, and why not? That doesn't apply to us, but many colleagues are dependent on the income from tours for their livelihood. As a result, production costs have gotten completely out of hand. You can hardly find a crew anymore, there are problems organizing buses, stages, PA systems, venues. People say: "If you don't pay my price, no problem, someone else will pay it." This even applies to service providers that we have been working with for over 30 years.

Can you still understand that some fans in the forums seem to feel downright cheated?

If we can save money, we pass it on to the fans. But it's essential for us to at least cover our costs. If we had to pay extra and couldn't earn any money at all, we wouldn't go on tour any more.


And now the classification and assessment of his statements by the Visions editors from the podcast and partly from the article itself. Including the editor-in-chief of Visions.

- The price of 175 euros is disproportionately high.

- In the end, ticket prices are also simply a question of the artist fee.

- Even if you have an audience that is wealthy enough to pay 175 euros every two years, that doesn't justify the current prices.

- Since Pearl Jam no longer play 3-hour concerts, the question was raised as to whether Pearl Jam still have the value for money with these ticket prices or whether there is a disproportion.

- On the subject of the new stage design. What has always characterized the band was very long concerts, with variation, joy of playing. Pearl Jam don't need the new visuals or a "show". If this new concert production now leads to a ticket costing 40 or 50 euros more because it all has to be paid for somehow, then you shouldn't be surprised that fans say that the tour is taking place without them.

- Eddie Vedder's answers to the reasons for the high ticket prices are weak. You would have liked him to be clearer. Like Bruce Springsteen. That it's also fair to say that you want to improve your pension. Because you won't be on stage forever. Another example is Fat Mike, who was interviewed by the Visions editors for the NOFX farewell tour. He clearly said: "Yes, the ticket prices in Germany are 30 euros higher than what everyone expected, but that's my pension."

- It was Pearl Jam who stood up to the Ticketmaster monopoly back then, albeit ultimately in vain. The band's unique selling point always seemed to be that they approached things differently to similarly successful colleagues. In this way, they have retained the charm of a multi-platinum underground band over the decades. Pearl Jam are not Taylor Swift or Adele, who are seen as having astronomical ticket prices. The following thought comes to mind: At almost 60, the band members no longer want to play as many concerts as they used to, but want to make just as much money

Would've loved the interviewer to reply with so why are bands like foo fighters only charging 100 a ticket

economies of scale? Pack out stadiums and you can charge a touch less when doing multiple shows? I mean the foos did what 7 UK based shows? maybe even more

Okay but then for artists of similar popularity, that do arenas and not stadiums ..why are they able to keep the prices down? Why is it pearl jam charging extortionate prices...do pearl jam get charged a special production cost more expensive than other artists? It makes no sense

Really I do not know, but i think when you take a huge production on the road like this one, for 9 shows, visiting several countries, and also dealing with the extra costs imposed by Brexit, the costs mount up and there are less tickets to spread the cost across. 

I mean K of L are over here too and playing a ton of shows in the UK alone. That has to make things easier. They work longer tours perhaps for a smaller fee per show. But again i really have no idea how it all works. 

Zen23

Whoever in the responsible chain of band - management - tour management - concert promoter - ticket seller came up with the completely (to me) unusual and crazy idea of charging an exaggerated uniform price right up to the back row of the upper tier at the start of ticket sales has lost touch with reality and should be fired.

Froggie

RatherStarved said:

Froggie said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

just_one said:

BlueLedbetter said:

I think in future I will be trying for cities I've never visited before so can have a city break somewhere new if the show is cancelled 

Got to pay the balance of my new york trip in the next couple of weeks and not sure if its worth it having been a couple of times before 

The problem is that the european cities they go are always the same.

Not true. I have a rule to ”always” go to s new place. And it has worked so far

 They mostly are tbf. They are never not in Berlin as an example. Every tour going back to 1996. Even 1992. 

Well as it turns out they are not in Berlin in 2024.

I lolled even though it’s beyond sad. 

Cal.PJ.C

pdalowsky said:

Cal.PJ.C said:

pdalowsky said:

Cal.PJ.C said:

Zen23 said:

I read through the interview with Eddie Vedder that appeared in the music magazine Visions. Among other things, he was asked about ticket prices in Europe. I then listened to the Visions editors' podcast, which was published a few days ago on June 26, 2024. In it, the editors - including the editor-in-chief of Visions - spend 30 minutes categorizing Eddie Vedder's statements on ticket prices in Europe.

First of all, the original interview questions and answers on the subject of ticket prices.

Eddie, there has been a lot of excitement in recent weeks about the ticket prices for the upcoming concerts. In Germany, tickets cost 175 euros, and in some categories they were significantly more expensive due to so-called dynamic pricing. Didn't you actually always want to do it differently and make it fairer than everyone else?

Unfortunately, that's more complicated. After corona, everyone wanted to go back on tour as quickly as possible, and why not? That doesn't apply to us, but many colleagues are dependent on the income from tours for their livelihood. As a result, production costs have gotten completely out of hand. You can hardly find a crew anymore, there are problems organizing buses, stages, PA systems, venues. People say: "If you don't pay my price, no problem, someone else will pay it." This even applies to service providers that we have been working with for over 30 years.

Can you still understand that some fans in the forums seem to feel downright cheated?

If we can save money, we pass it on to the fans. But it's essential for us to at least cover our costs. If we had to pay extra and couldn't earn any money at all, we wouldn't go on tour any more.


And now the classification and assessment of his statements by the Visions editors from the podcast and partly from the article itself. Including the editor-in-chief of Visions.

- The price of 175 euros is disproportionately high.

- In the end, ticket prices are also simply a question of the artist fee.

- Even if you have an audience that is wealthy enough to pay 175 euros every two years, that doesn't justify the current prices.

- Since Pearl Jam no longer play 3-hour concerts, the question was raised as to whether Pearl Jam still have the value for money with these ticket prices or whether there is a disproportion.

- On the subject of the new stage design. What has always characterized the band was very long concerts, with variation, joy of playing. Pearl Jam don't need the new visuals or a "show". If this new concert production now leads to a ticket costing 40 or 50 euros more because it all has to be paid for somehow, then you shouldn't be surprised that fans say that the tour is taking place without them.

- Eddie Vedder's answers to the reasons for the high ticket prices are weak. You would have liked him to be clearer. Like Bruce Springsteen. That it's also fair to say that you want to improve your pension. Because you won't be on stage forever. Another example is Fat Mike, who was interviewed by the Visions editors for the NOFX farewell tour. He clearly said: "Yes, the ticket prices in Germany are 30 euros higher than what everyone expected, but that's my pension."

- It was Pearl Jam who stood up to the Ticketmaster monopoly back then, albeit ultimately in vain. The band's unique selling point always seemed to be that they approached things differently to similarly successful colleagues. In this way, they have retained the charm of a multi-platinum underground band over the decades. Pearl Jam are not Taylor Swift or Adele, who are seen as having astronomical ticket prices. The following thought comes to mind: At almost 60, the band members no longer want to play as many concerts as they used to, but want to make just as much money

Would've loved the interviewer to reply with so why are bands like foo fighters only charging 100 a ticket

economies of scale? Pack out stadiums and you can charge a touch less when doing multiple shows? I mean the foos did what 7 UK based shows? maybe even more

Okay but then for artists of similar popularity, that do arenas and not stadiums ..why are they able to keep the prices down? Why is it pearl jam charging extortionate prices...do pearl jam get charged a special production cost more expensive than other artists? It makes no sense

Really I do not know, but i think when you take a huge production on the road like this one, for 9 shows, visiting several countries, and also dealing with the extra costs imposed by Brexit, the costs mount up and there are less tickets to spread the cost across. 

I mean K of L are over here too and playing a ton of shows in the UK alone. That has to make things easier. They work longer tours perhaps for a smaller fee per show. But again i really have no idea how it all works. 

It's sad because its soured a lot of fans towards them

Cal.PJ.C

Zen23 said:

Whoever in the responsible chain of band - management - tour management - concert promoter - ticket seller came up with the completely (to me) unusual and crazy idea of charging an exaggerated uniform price right up to the back row of the upper tier at the start of ticket sales has lost touch with reality and should be fired.

Agreed however it seems Ed is defending this nonsense

axeljohan

No one knows, how it is calculated in detail. But saying "If we can save money, we pass it on to the fans. But it's essential for us to at least cover our costs. If we had to pay extra and couldn't earn any money at all, we wouldn't go on tour any more" makes it sound like they have to charge 175 EUR for every single seat at Waldbühne to break even or make a small profit. And I highly doubt that this is the case.

My take: they charged so much, because they thought people would buy the tickets without hesitation (which is fine). People didn't (which is also fine), so we will see where this will put us on the "next tour".

Zen23

I doubt that too. Eventim would never have lowered the prices after just ten hours of presales when they realized that the 175 euros in the upper tier would backfire. If it were as dramatic as Mr. Vedder reports, his entire profit would be gone with this Eventim move. After only ten hours of presales. So please.

Cal.PJ.C

RatherStarved said:

PJNB said:

I wonder if they even play Berlin next time. It was so odd leaving out Vienna, Prague, and even Amsterdam this year. 

Probably was part of insurance settlement from last time that they couldn’t come back for x years or else it would have been a postponement and not an insured cancellation.  Just a guess. 

wow if thats true they're gonna run out of countries for the next euro tour at this rate

Spiritual_Chaos

I find it hard to believe someone wanting to be at one price point want's to lower it. Bigger chance bigger cities like Berlin gets one show going forward for €175 than two for €100. But that is not an educated take. Just don't see people turning back when they move down the dark alley of greedy prices.

Just like they don't wanna move back from a greedy 45-50 euros for their single LP album.

hairgrowth2001

Pj Premium aside, they need to go with tiered pricing. The current price point is fine for about 25% of the tickets but price needs to go down for the seats that aren’t considered as desirable.

lastexitlondon

It's not fine to charge 170 a ticket anywhere 

hairgrowth2001

I think that the majority of fans are happy paying that price for good seats. Of course we all want great seats for free.

DL136722

Zen23 said:

I read through the interview with Eddie Vedder that appeared in the music magazine Visions. Among other things, he was asked about ticket prices in Europe. I then listened to the Visions editors' podcast, which was published a few days ago on June 26, 2024. In it, the editors - including the editor-in-chief of Visions - spend 30 minutes categorizing Eddie Vedder's statements on ticket prices in Europe.

First of all, the original interview questions and answers on the subject of ticket prices.

Eddie, there has been a lot of excitement in recent weeks about the ticket prices for the upcoming concerts. In Germany, tickets cost 175 euros, and in some categories they were significantly more expensive due to so-called dynamic pricing. Didn't you actually always want to do it differently and make it fairer than everyone else?

Unfortunately, that's more complicated. After corona, everyone wanted to go back on tour as quickly as possible, and why not? That doesn't apply to us, but many colleagues are dependent on the income from tours for their livelihood. As a result, production costs have gotten completely out of hand. You can hardly find a crew anymore, there are problems organizing buses, stages, PA systems, venues. People say: "If you don't pay my price, no problem, someone else will pay it." This even applies to service providers that we have been working with for over 30 years.

Can you still understand that some fans in the forums seem to feel downright cheated?

If we can save money, we pass it on to the fans. But it's essential for us to at least cover our costs. If we had to pay extra and couldn't earn any money at all, we wouldn't go on tour any more.


And now the classification and assessment of his statements by the Visions editors from the podcast and partly from the article itself. Including the editor-in-chief of Visions.

- The price of 175 euros is disproportionately high.

- In the end, ticket prices are also simply a question of the artist fee.

- Even if you have an audience that is wealthy enough to pay 175 euros every two years, that doesn't justify the current prices.

- Since Pearl Jam no longer play 3-hour concerts, the question was raised as to whether Pearl Jam still have the value for money with these ticket prices or whether there is a disproportion.

- On the subject of the new stage design. What has always characterized the band was very long concerts, with variation, joy of playing. Pearl Jam don't need the new visuals or a "show". If this new concert production now leads to a ticket costing 40 or 50 euros more because it all has to be paid for somehow, then you shouldn't be surprised that fans say that the tour is taking place without them.

- Eddie Vedder's answers to the reasons for the high ticket prices are weak. You would have liked him to be clearer. Like Bruce Springsteen. That it's also fair to say that you want to improve your pension. Because you won't be on stage forever. Another example is Fat Mike, who was interviewed by the Visions editors for the NOFX farewell tour. He clearly said: "Yes, the ticket prices in Germany are 30 euros higher than what everyone expected, but that's my pension."

- It was Pearl Jam who stood up to the Ticketmaster monopoly back then, albeit ultimately in vain. The band's unique selling point always seemed to be that they approached things differently to similarly successful colleagues. In this way, they have retained the charm of a multi-platinum underground band over the decades. Pearl Jam are not Taylor Swift or Adele, who are seen as having astronomical ticket prices. The following thought comes to mind: At almost 60, the band members no longer want to play as many concerts as they used to, but want to make just as much money

Nailed it! 

vedpunk

lastexitlondon said:

It's not fine to charge 170 a ticket anywhere 

Wrong, it’s fine charging a lot more for the best seats.  You get what you pay for, that’s how the world works.  We were just spoiled for so long with PJ Ten Club tickets when they were the best in house. 

Spiritual_Chaos

vedpunk said:

lastexitlondon said:

It's not fine to charge 170 a ticket anywhere 

Wrong, it’s fine charging a lot more for the best seats.  You get what you pay for, that’s how the world works.  We were just spoiled for so long with PJ Ten Club tickets when they were the best in house. 

Wrong. It's fine keeping the price under 170 dollars for even the best tickets. How you treat others, affects how you are seen - that's how the world works. We were just being treated pretty fairly for so long with PJ Ten Club tickets when they were the best in the house.