Potential Ticketmaster Draw Issues

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  • AmishGuy91
    AmishGuy91 Posts: 834
    edited February 2024
    Removal of GA-only option and then priority (because it was too confusing for TM and 10C) was supposed to eliminate these conspiracy theories.  
    Post edited by AmishGuy91 on
  • mookieblalock
    mookieblalock Posts: 3,570
    You people are all cherry picking. You choose to only pay attention to the people who got GA to multiple shows rather than all of the people who did not. 

    End of story. 
  • NewfieintheUSA
    NewfieintheUSA Posts: 2,416
    mookieblalock said:
    You people are all cherry picking. You choose to only pay attention to the people who got GA to multiple shows rather than all of the people who did not. 

    End of story. 
    I'm not cherry picking, I'm pointing out how this new system is unfair
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,598
    One thing to keep in mind. Both here and on Facebook, there are people complaining this morning who never actually entered the lottery. They registered for Verified Fan and thought that was the lottery, or they went to add a show on the last day and cancelled out all their previous picks. Not saying that describes any of you, but it does happen each year. 
    ___________________________________________

    "...I changed by not changing at all..."
  • NewfieintheUSA
    NewfieintheUSA Posts: 2,416
    JimmyV said:
    One thing to keep in mind. Both here and on Facebook, there are people complaining this morning who never actually entered the lottery. They registered for Verified Fan and thought that was the lottery, or they went to add a show on the last day and cancelled out all their previous picks. Not saying that describes any of you, but it does happen each year. 
    I entered the lottery, trust me, have my confirmation 
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,598
    NewfieintheUSA said:
    JimmyV said:
    One thing to keep in mind. Both here and on Facebook, there are people complaining this morning who never actually entered the lottery. They registered for Verified Fan and thought that was the lottery, or they went to add a show on the last day and cancelled out all their previous picks. Not saying that describes any of you, but it does happen each year. 
    I entered the lottery, trust me, have my confirmation 
    I believe you. I think most people who spend time here probably did. Facebook is another story. 
    ___________________________________________

    "...I changed by not changing at all..."
  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    mookieblalock said:
    You people are all cherry picking. You choose to only pay attention to the people who got GA to multiple shows rather than all of the people who did not. 

    End of story. 
    10C & Ticketmaster could easily shed some light on this.  A little transparency would go a long way.  

    Right now, they're encouraging people to register for as many shows as possible and sort it all out later. 

    I don't want to be a Pearl Jam ticket broker.  I just want 10C tix for the shows I plan to attend.
  • NewfieintheUSA
    NewfieintheUSA Posts: 2,416
    JimmyV said:
    NewfieintheUSA said:
    JimmyV said:
    One thing to keep in mind. Both here and on Facebook, there are people complaining this morning who never actually entered the lottery. They registered for Verified Fan and thought that was the lottery, or they went to add a show on the last day and cancelled out all their previous picks. Not saying that describes any of you, but it does happen each year. 
    I entered the lottery, trust me, have my confirmation 
    I believe you. I think most people who spend time here probably did. Facebook is another story. 
    True that
  • mookieblalock
    mookieblalock Posts: 3,570
    NewfieintheUSA said:
    mookieblalock said:
    You people are all cherry picking. You choose to only pay attention to the people who got GA to multiple shows rather than all of the people who did not. 

    End of story. 
    I'm not cherry picking, I'm pointing out how this new system is unfair
    Ever since the 10c did away with the postcard system, every method they have utilized to sell tickets has been deemed “unfair” by people on the boards. And it will never change. Ever.
  • NewfieintheUSA
    NewfieintheUSA Posts: 2,416
    mookieblalock said:
    NewfieintheUSA said:
    mookieblalock said:
    You people are all cherry picking. You choose to only pay attention to the people who got GA to multiple shows rather than all of the people who did not. 

    End of story. 
    I'm not cherry picking, I'm pointing out how this new system is unfair
    Ever since the 10c did away with the postcard system, every method they have utilized to sell tickets has been deemed “unfair” by people on the boards. And it will never change. Ever.
    Listen I understood the priority system and how to use it. If I selected a high demand show as my top priority and didnt win, that was on me. I could almost guarantee a win or 2 if I set my priorities right. This complete randomness is asinine. 
  • Get_Right
    Get_Right Posts: 14,120
    The system is not unfair, all members have an equal chance to win tickets to every show, for all seating levels. Each show is an individual draw with an equal chance for all members. It is the results that could be perceived as unfair as members were highly successful and others got nothing. Some people win at blackjack, some people lose their shirts. And if you selected GA/P1 for your only option and got nothing you should not be surprised.
  • NewfieintheUSA
    NewfieintheUSA Posts: 2,416
    Get_Right said:
    The system is not unfair, all members have an equal chance to win tickets to every show, for all seating levels. Each show is an individual draw with an equal chance for all members. It is the results that could be perceived as unfair as members were highly successful and others got nothing. Some people win at blackjack, some people lose their shirts. And if you selected GA/P1 for your only option and got nothing you should not be surprised.
    How is a system where one person wins GA to the same 4 shows I put in for and I get nothing not unfair? 
  • mookieblalock
    mookieblalock Posts: 3,570
    NewfieintheUSA said:
    Get_Right said:
    The system is not unfair, all members have an equal chance to win tickets to every show, for all seating levels. Each show is an individual draw with an equal chance for all members. It is the results that could be perceived as unfair as members were highly successful and others got nothing. Some people win at blackjack, some people lose their shirts. And if you selected GA/P1 for your only option and got nothing you should not be surprised.
    How is a system where one person wins GA to the same 4 shows I put in for and I get nothing not unfair? 
    Again; this goes back to not understanding basic statistics. Also, there weren’t a majority of people winning 4 GA shows. Some did. Most did not. Some got shut out completely, most did not get shut out completely. It’s really that simple. 
  • Get_Right
    Get_Right Posts: 14,120
    NewfieintheUSA said:
    Get_Right said:
    The system is not unfair, all members have an equal chance to win tickets to every show, for all seating levels. Each show is an individual draw with an equal chance for all members. It is the results that could be perceived as unfair as members were highly successful and others got nothing. Some people win at blackjack, some people lose their shirts. And if you selected GA/P1 for your only option and got nothing you should not be surprised.
    How is a system where one person wins GA to the same 4 shows I put in for and I get nothing not unfair? 

    As I said, it is the results that may be unfair, but the method of randomly selecting from the entire pool for each show is not. You did not get picked from the pool of tickets with the highest demand and the lowest likelihood of success. Especially if it was one of the major cities. Your request did not get picked and someone else's did. That is all there is to it.
  • NewfieintheUSA
    NewfieintheUSA Posts: 2,416
    Get_Right said:
    NewfieintheUSA said:
    Get_Right said:
    The system is not unfair, all members have an equal chance to win tickets to every show, for all seating levels. Each show is an individual draw with an equal chance for all members. It is the results that could be perceived as unfair as members were highly successful and others got nothing. Some people win at blackjack, some people lose their shirts. And if you selected GA/P1 for your only option and got nothing you should not be surprised.
    How is a system where one person wins GA to the same 4 shows I put in for and I get nothing not unfair? 

    As I said, it is the results that may be unfair, but the method of randomly selecting from the entire pool for each show is not. You did not get picked from the pool of tickets with the highest demand and the lowest likelihood of success. Especially if it was one of the major cities. Your request did not get picked and someone else's did. That is all there is to it.
    That's my point exactly, a system that allows this is BS.
  • spankyMP
    spankyMP NY to NC to NH Posts: 2,019
    It sucks when you lose and it's great when you win.

    It would be great if it worked out that we all get about 50% of what we put in for, but it doesn't. I've been completely shut out a few times when putting in for only home shows or what I really wanted, so last leg I put in for 5 shows to make sure I got something and got all 5 :o . Then got to choose where I really wanted to travel and where it made the most sense, since it wasn't realistic to go to Chicago, St Paul, and Austin for me. Ended up doing back to back in Austin. This time around I got 2 out of 4, no MSG :bawling: when in the past I probably only would have put in for MSG................

    Randall's Island 9/29/96, Continental Arena 9/8/98, MSG 9/10/98, Jones Beach 8/23/00, 8/24/00, 8/25/00, Nassau Coliseum 4/30/03, MSG 7/8/03, 7/9/03, Continental Arena 6/1/06, 6/3/06, MSG 6/24/08, 6/25/08, Spectrum 10/30/09, 10/31/09, MSG 5/20/10, 5/21/10, PJ20 9/3/11, 9/4/11, Charlottesville 10/29/13, Charlotte 10/30/13, Global Citizen 9/26/15, Raleigh 4/20/16 :( Baltimore 3/28/20 :( Austin 9/18/23, 9/19/23, Forum 5/21/24, Baltimore 9/12/24, Fenway 9/17/24, Nashville 5/6/25, 5/8/25
  • NewfieintheUSA
    NewfieintheUSA Posts: 2,416
    mookieblalock said:
    NewfieintheUSA said:
    Get_Right said:
    The system is not unfair, all members have an equal chance to win tickets to every show, for all seating levels. Each show is an individual draw with an equal chance for all members. It is the results that could be perceived as unfair as members were highly successful and others got nothing. Some people win at blackjack, some people lose their shirts. And if you selected GA/P1 for your only option and got nothing you should not be surprised.
    How is a system where one person wins GA to the same 4 shows I put in for and I get nothing not unfair? 
    Again; this goes back to not understanding basic statistics. Also, there weren’t a majority of people winning 4 GA shows. Some did. Most did not. Some got shut out completely, most did not get shut out completely. It’s really that simple. 
    I understand basic statistics, trust me. Applied math major here. My point is they shouldn't have a system that allows these types of outcomes. 
  • Get_Right
    Get_Right Posts: 14,120
    edited February 2024
    NewfieintheUSA said:
    Get_Right said:
    NewfieintheUSA said:
    Get_Right said:
    The system is not unfair, all members have an equal chance to win tickets to every show, for all seating levels. Each show is an individual draw with an equal chance for all members. It is the results that could be perceived as unfair as members were highly successful and others got nothing. Some people win at blackjack, some people lose their shirts. And if you selected GA/P1 for your only option and got nothing you should not be surprised.
    How is a system where one person wins GA to the same 4 shows I put in for and I get nothing not unfair? 

    As I said, it is the results that may be unfair, but the method of randomly selecting from the entire pool for each show is not. You did not get picked from the pool of tickets with the highest demand and the lowest likelihood of success. Especially if it was one of the major cities. Your request did not get picked and someone else's did. That is all there is to it.
    That's my point exactly, a system that allows this is BS.

    I do agree and think that the most feasible solution is to limit the number of requests or wins for each member. Adding any other levels of complexity such as seniority or priority would likely be rejected by TM.
  • NewfieintheUSA
    NewfieintheUSA Posts: 2,416
    Get_Right said:
    NewfieintheUSA said:
    Get_Right said:
    NewfieintheUSA said:
    Get_Right said:
    The system is not unfair, all members have an equal chance to win tickets to every show, for all seating levels. Each show is an individual draw with an equal chance for all members. It is the results that could be perceived as unfair as members were highly successful and others got nothing. Some people win at blackjack, some people lose their shirts. And if you selected GA/P1 for your only option and got nothing you should not be surprised.
    How is a system where one person wins GA to the same 4 shows I put in for and I get nothing not unfair? 

    As I said, it is the results that may be unfair, but the method of randomly selecting from the entire pool for each show is not. You did not get picked from the pool of tickets with the highest demand and the lowest likelihood of success. Especially if it was one of the major cities. Your request did not get picked and someone else's did. That is all there is to it.
    That's my point exactly, a system that allows this is BS.

    I do agree and think that the most feasible solution is to limit the number of requests or wins for each member. Adding any other levels of complexity such as seniority or priority would likely be rejected by TM.
    TM does priority for other bands 
  • mookieblalock
    mookieblalock Posts: 3,570
    NewfieintheUSA said:
    mookieblalock said:
    NewfieintheUSA said:
    Get_Right said:
    The system is not unfair, all members have an equal chance to win tickets to every show, for all seating levels. Each show is an individual draw with an equal chance for all members. It is the results that could be perceived as unfair as members were highly successful and others got nothing. Some people win at blackjack, some people lose their shirts. And if you selected GA/P1 for your only option and got nothing you should not be surprised.
    How is a system where one person wins GA to the same 4 shows I put in for and I get nothing not unfair? 
    Again; this goes back to not understanding basic statistics. Also, there weren’t a majority of people winning 4 GA shows. Some did. Most did not. Some got shut out completely, most did not get shut out completely. It’s really that simple. 
    I understand basic statistics, trust me. Applied math major here. My point is they shouldn't have a system that allows these types of outcomes. 
    If you’re an applied math major, then you’re intelligent enough to see that what I am saying is factually accurate and you are complaining just to complain because it didn’t work out for you. I am sincerely sorry for your disappointment. I’ve been there as have many others over the years. There is never going to be a perfect system. People who didn’t get tickets they wanted will complain after every sale until the end of the bands touring days. 

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