You people are all cherry picking. You choose to only pay attention to the people who got GA to multiple shows rather than all of the people who did not.
End of story.
This. If it fits the conspiracy narrative it must be true!
I do agree that getting multiple GAs in the same city is pretty rare. Odds wise it probably shouldn't happen.
However, basing it off a few people on a message board doesn't make it true. A lot of members, and I'd bet the majority don't come here. We have no idea how it went for them.
Saying it's only a few people on a message board also doesn't make it untrue. Limited data is inherently cherry-picked. We can only draw inferences based on the limited number of people who have announced their results. Regardless, the suspicions are there and are prevalent enough that they can't just be waved away by saying that they haven't been proven as true. If 10c/TM shed some light on the process, those suspicions could either be disproven or confirmed. But I'm not holding my breath.
You people are all cherry picking. You choose to only pay attention to the people who got GA to multiple shows rather than all of the people who did not.
End of story.
This. If it fits the conspiracy narrative it must be true!
I do agree that getting multiple GAs in the same city is pretty rare. Odds wise it probably shouldn't happen.
However, basing it off a few people on a message board doesn't make it true. A lot of members, and I'd bet the majority don't come here. We have no idea how it went for them.
Saying it's only a few people on a message board also doesn't make it untrue. Limited data is inherently cherry-picked. We can only draw inferences based on the limited number of people who have announced their results. Regardless, the suspicions are there and are prevalent enough that they can't just be waved away by saying that they haven't been proven as true. If 10c/TM shed some light on the process, those suspicions could either be disproven or confirmed. But I'm not holding my breath.
Also, a lot of these same people said the same things in last year's lottery....and we all know how that turned out.
You people are all cherry picking. You choose to only pay attention to the people who got GA to multiple shows rather than all of the people who did not.
End of story.
I'm not cherry picking, I'm pointing out how this new system is unfair
Is it really unfair? Or is it unfair because it didn't work for you. Saying it multiple times loudly doesn't make it so
Yes I stand by the fact that this system allows for unfair outcomes
How many times have you been shutout in your lifetime?
Multiple, but I knew based on my selections that was a likely outcome.
Let me guess, you hit a bunch of shows this drawing and therefore love this system?
I was lucky this time. And last time. Doesn't change the fact that I go in knowing its a lottery. I've also been shut out multiple times. Therefore I go in with those expectations. And for those times that i did lose? I never cried or claimed conspiracy.
You people are all cherry picking. You choose to only pay attention to the people who got GA to multiple shows rather than all of the people who did not.
End of story.
I'm not cherry picking, I'm pointing out how this new system is unfair
Is it really unfair? Or is it unfair because it didn't work for you. Saying it multiple times loudly doesn't make it so
Yes I stand by the fact that this system allows for unfair outcomes
How many times have you been shutout in your lifetime?
Multiple, but I knew based on my selections that was a likely outcome.
Let me guess, you hit a bunch of shows this drawing and therefore love this system?
I was lucky this time. And last time. Doesn't change the fact that I go in knowing its a lottery. I've also been shut out multiple times. Therefore I go in with those expectations. And for those times that i did lose? I never cried or claimed conspiracy.
I didn't cry conspiracy. I'm just stating this version of the lottery is bad
There is also likely some bias around who reports their lottery results. Winning GA for multiple nights = excitement and posting on message boards/social media. Losing out on multiple shows = disappointment and posting on message boards/social media. Also there is significant "operator error" for those who think they lost, when in fact they just did not follow directions. Those who fall in the middle (as well as just a vast majority of 10C members) are not inclined to take the time to provide their results. As an example, I entered for both Fenway shows, but only won P1 Reserved for night 2 (shutout of night 1). Didn't really feel inclined to brag or complain about it, but I do like data so I wanted to add my results to the mix.
1998 Mansfield 09/15 | 2000 Mansfield 08/30 | 2003 Mansfield 07/02, 07/03, 07/11 | 2004 Boston 09/28 | 2006 Boston 05/24, 05/25 | 2008 Mansfield 06/28, 06/30 | 2009 Philadelphia 10/27, 10/28, 10/31 | 2010 Boston 05/17 | 2013 Worcester 10/15, 10/16 - Hartford 10/25 | 2016 Boston 08/05, 08/07 - Chicago 08/20, 08/22 | 2018 Seattle 08/08, 08/10 - Boston 09/02, 09/04 | 2022 Denver, 09/22
Based on the general results it seems like, yes, there was some kind of glitch. I say this due to the number of multiple show multiple GA winners vs. people who got shut out completely. That really should not happen statistically. Will it be significant enough for 10 Club to do anything about it? That remains to be seen. They acknowledged the problems much earlier last time and did their best to remedy where possible, but I think the problem in this draw is more subtle and for those of us who got no shows, we may just need to move on to TM.
Based on the general results it seems like, yes, there was some kind of glitch. I say this due to the number of multiple show multiple GA winners vs. people who got shut out completely. That really should not happen statistically. Will it be significant enough for 10 Club to do anything about it? That remains to be seen. They acknowledged the problems much earlier last time and did their best to remedy where possible, but I think the problem in this draw is more subtle and for those of us who got no shows, we may just need to move on to TM.
With priority and seniority issues last year it was very obvious something was wrong. Something like this will be impossible to prove one way or another unless TM just comes out and says whoopsie. It is not like they will come out and show proof how their system works properly.
Based on the general results it seems like, yes, there was some kind of glitch. I say this due to the number of multiple show multiple GA winners vs. people who got shut out completely. That really should not happen statistically. Will it be significant enough for 10 Club to do anything about it? That remains to be seen. They acknowledged the problems much earlier last time and did their best to remedy where possible, but I think the problem in this draw is more subtle and for those of us who got no shows, we may just need to move on to TM.
With priority and seniority issues last year it was very obvious something was wrong. Something like this will be impossible to prove one way or another unless TM just comes out and says whoopsie. It is not like they will come out and show proof how their system works properly.
And imagine the uproar from people who thought they had GA for the whole tour only to have it snatched away. Which I don't think would be right either . . .
Based on the general results it seems like, yes, there was some kind of glitch. I say this due to the number of multiple show multiple GA winners vs. people who got shut out completely. That really should not happen statistically. Will it be significant enough for 10 Club to do anything about it? That remains to be seen. They acknowledged the problems much earlier last time and did their best to remedy where possible, but I think the problem in this draw is more subtle and for those of us who got no shows, we may just need to move on to TM.
With priority and seniority issues last year it was very obvious something was wrong. Something like this will be impossible to prove one way or another unless TM just comes out and says whoopsie. It is not like they will come out and show proof how their system works properly.
And imagine the uproar from people who thought they had GA for the whole tour only to have it snatched away. Which I don't think would be right either . . .
It's a completely separate draw for each and every show. The results of any other show have zero bearing on who is selected. There is no fair/unfair. As long as you're actually in the draw and not just registered for Verified Fan, everyone has the same chance of being selected. Unless a recap of final results using the full spectrum of winners vs. entries etc. for each show is released, speculating based on a small subset of results reported by members online will never represent what happened. The complaining and conspiracy theories are fun to read though. Carry on.
**Edit MSG only shows where result of another show mattered as you could only win for one of the MSG shows**
It is supposed to be a completely separate draw for each and every show - but do you think that is what actually happened. Last year there were several mistakes that TM made with the lottery draw and assigning seats - so trust in their competence to do this correctly is not a given.
It just feels like I could do a better job of ticket allocation with a Microsoft Excel spreadhseet then how this goes down every tour. If it's not one thing its another.
Based on the general results it seems like, yes, there was some kind of glitch. I say this due to the number of multiple show multiple GA winners vs. people who got shut out completely. That really should not happen statistically. Will it be significant enough for 10 Club to do anything about it? That remains to be seen. They acknowledged the problems much earlier last time and did their best to remedy where possible, but I think the problem in this draw is more subtle and for those of us who got no shows, we may just need to move on to TM.
With priority and seniority issues last year it was very obvious something was wrong. Something like this will be impossible to prove one way or another unless TM just comes out and says whoopsie. It is not like they will come out and show proof how their system works properly.
I agree with you. I think it was way too obvious last time and this is much harder to pinpoint what exactly they did. Maybe people got bulk shows, maybe once they won they were favored by the algo, maybe they just got non-mathematically possibly lucky. All of this just goes to the point that doing all of these shows in bulk causes problems. Go back to priority listing. No one wants to be a Pearl Jam ticket broker, so lets not go down the route of everyone just choosing all options for all shows. Give members a 3 show max. Allocate those, then open it up.
I think there’s a happy middle somewhere in the future. Use only first priority, and then random draw for all other shows. Since the two-show-same-city format is becoming the norm, then only allow someone to win GA for one of the two shows in the same city, but still be able to be drawn for seats. But what has happened, happened. They can’t take away shows from anyone who won already. I also find it insane people got shut out of Wrigley with P1 going all the way up to the grandstands behind the poles.
2003: Uniondale, MSG x2 | 2004: Reading | 2005: Gorge, Vancouver, Philly | 2006: East Rutherford x2, Gorge x2, Camden 1, Hartford | 2008: MSG x2, VA Beach | 2009: Philly x3 | 2010: MSG x2, Bristow | 2011: Alpine Valley x2 | 2012: MIA Philly | 2013: Wrigley, Charlottesville, Brooklyn 2 | 2014: Milan, Amsterdam 1 | 2016: MSG x2, Fenway x2, Wrigley 2 | 2018: Rome, Krakow, Berlin | 2021: Sea Hear Now | 2022: San Diego, LA x2, MSG, Camden, Nashville, St. Louis, Denver | 2023: St. Paul 1, Chicago x2, Fort Worth x2, Austin 2
How do we know we lost for sure? I didn’t get any email. Am I out?
I wouldn’t give up hope until you get your final confirmation on Wednesday. There were issues with banks etc. they fixed one members issue so maybe others will get looked at as well. Hang on till tomorrow. Good luck
Based on the general results it seems like, yes, there was some kind of glitch. I say this due to the number of multiple show multiple GA winners vs. people who got shut out completely. That really should not happen statistically. Will it be significant enough for 10 Club to do anything about it? That remains to be seen. They acknowledged the problems much earlier last time and did their best to remedy where possible, but I think the problem in this draw is more subtle and for those of us who got no shows, we may just need to move on to TM.
With priority and seniority issues last year it was very obvious something was wrong. Something like this will be impossible to prove one way or another unless TM just comes out and says whoopsie. It is not like they will come out and show proof how their system works properly.
I agree with you. I think it was way too obvious last time and this is much harder to pinpoint what exactly they did. Maybe people got bulk shows, maybe once they won they were favored by the algo, maybe they just got non-mathematically possibly lucky. All of this just goes to the point that doing all of these shows in bulk causes problems. Go back to priority listing. No one wants to be a Pearl Jam ticket broker, so lets not go down the route of everyone just choosing all options for all shows. Give members a 3 show max. Allocate those, then open it up.
Unfortunately, unless we all stop going to shows, Ticketmaster has zero incentive to change anything.
"I'm a lucky man, to count on both hands the [shows I've done]. Some folks just have one, others they got none..."
Hartford 10.02.96 | Mansfield 2 09.16.98 | Mansfield 1 08.29.00 |
Mansfield 1 07.02.03 | Mansfield 3 07.11.03 | Boston 2 05.25.06 | Tampa 04.11.16 | Fenway 1 08.05.16 | Fenway 2 08.07.16 | Fenway 1 09.02.18 | Fenway 2 09.04.18 | Baltimore 03.28.20 | Hamilton 09.06.22 | Toronto 09.08.22 | Nashville 09.16.22 | St Louis 09.18.22
"He made the deal with the devil, we get to play with him. He goes to hell, of course. We're going to heaven."
Based on the general results it seems like, yes, there was some kind of glitch. I say this due to the number of multiple show multiple GA winners vs. people who got shut out completely. That really should not happen statistically. Will it be significant enough for 10 Club to do anything about it? That remains to be seen. They acknowledged the problems much earlier last time and did their best to remedy where possible, but I think the problem in this draw is more subtle and for those of us who got no shows, we may just need to move on to TM.
With priority and seniority issues last year it was very obvious something was wrong. Something like this will be impossible to prove one way or another unless TM just comes out and says whoopsie. It is not like they will come out and show proof how their system works properly.
I find TM to be a very honest and fair organization. I expect a statement any minute now.
Based on the general results it seems like, yes, there was some kind of glitch. I say this due to the number of multiple show multiple GA winners vs. people who got shut out completely. That really should not happen statistically. Will it be significant enough for 10 Club to do anything about it? That remains to be seen. They acknowledged the problems much earlier last time and did their best to remedy where possible, but I think the problem in this draw is more subtle and for those of us who got no shows, we may just need to move on to TM.
With priority and seniority issues last year it was very obvious something was wrong. Something like this will be impossible to prove one way or another unless TM just comes out and says whoopsie. It is not like they will come out and show proof how their system works properly.
I agree with you. I think it was way too obvious last time and this is much harder to pinpoint what exactly they did. Maybe people got bulk shows, maybe once they won they were favored by the algo, maybe they just got non-mathematically possibly lucky. All of this just goes to the point that doing all of these shows in bulk causes problems. Go back to priority listing. No one wants to be a Pearl Jam ticket broker, so lets not go down the route of everyone just choosing all options for all shows. Give members a 3 show max. Allocate those, then open it up.
Unfortunately, unless we all stop going to shows, Ticketmaster has zero incentive to change anything.
If we stop going to shows, TM has more tickets to charge premium for.
Keep in mind that only a small percentage of members actually post here or on facebook. We are not seeing anything close to the whole picture. Yes, the process could be improved, and yes TM has made major mistakes in the past. It is is an imperfect system, and truthfully, it always has been.
Keep in mind that only a small percentage of members actually post here or on facebook. We are not seeing anything close to the whole picture. Yes, the process could be improved, and yes TM has made major mistakes in the past. It is is an imperfect system, and truthfully, it always has been.
Agreed, but it should be a representative sample
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Keep in mind that only a small percentage of members actually post here or on facebook. We are not seeing anything close to the whole picture. Yes, the process could be improved, and yes TM has made major mistakes in the past. It is is an imperfect system, and truthfully, it always has been.
Agreed, but it should be a representative sample
Not really. Negative experiences are much more likely to be reported than positive ones. How many times do you call customer service just to say everything was great?
1996: Randall's Island 2 1998: East Rutherford | MSG 1 & 2 2000: Cincinnati | Columbus | Jones Beach 1, 2, & 3 | Boston 1 | Camden 1 & 2 2003: Philadelphia | Uniondale | MSG 1 & 2 | Holmdel 2005: Atlantic City 1 2006: Camden 1 | East Rutherford 1 & 2 2008: Camden 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 | Newark (EV) 2009: Philadelphia 1, 2 & 4 2010: Newark | MSG 1 & 2 2011: Toronto 1 2013: Wrigley Field | Brooklyn 2 | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore 2015: Central Park 2016: Philadelphia 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 | Fenway Park 2 | MSG (TOTD) 2017: Brooklyn (RnR HOF) 2020: MSG | Asbury Park2021: Asbury Park 2022: MSG | Camden | Nashville 2024: MSG 1 & 2 (#50) | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore
Keep in mind that only a small percentage of members actually post here or on facebook. We are not seeing anything close to the whole picture. Yes, the process could be improved, and yes TM has made major mistakes in the past. It is is an imperfect system, and truthfully, it always has been.
Agreed, but it should be a representative sample
Not really. Negative experiences are much more likely to be reported than positive ones. How many times do you call customer service just to say everything was great?
Seems that people who hit the jackpot want to crow about that as much as the losers want to complain. Maybe the middle of the road results are underreported
Keep in mind that only a small percentage of members actually post here or on facebook. We are not seeing anything close to the whole picture. Yes, the process could be improved, and yes TM has made major mistakes in the past. It is is an imperfect system, and truthfully, it always has been.
Agreed, but it should be a representative sample
Not really. Negative experiences are much more likely to be reported than positive ones. How many times do you call customer service just to say everything was great?
I've seen all types of results reported, I do every lottery. Comparing this to customer service is false equivalency.
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Standing in the Jersey rain… Posts: 14,580
Keep in mind that only a small percentage of members actually post here or on facebook. We are not seeing anything close to the whole picture. Yes, the process could be improved, and yes TM has made major mistakes in the past. It is is an imperfect system, and truthfully, it always has been.
Agreed, but it should be a representative sample
Not really. Negative experiences are much more likely to be reported than positive ones. How many times do you call customer service just to say everything was great?
Seems that people who hit the jackpot want to crow about that as much as the losers want to complain. Maybe the middle of the road results are underreported
I'm sure middle of the road results are under reported. But I would consider middle of the road or 50/50 results in the lottery to be a success.
1996: Randall's Island 2 1998: East Rutherford | MSG 1 & 2 2000: Cincinnati | Columbus | Jones Beach 1, 2, & 3 | Boston 1 | Camden 1 & 2 2003: Philadelphia | Uniondale | MSG 1 & 2 | Holmdel 2005: Atlantic City 1 2006: Camden 1 | East Rutherford 1 & 2 2008: Camden 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 | Newark (EV) 2009: Philadelphia 1, 2 & 4 2010: Newark | MSG 1 & 2 2011: Toronto 1 2013: Wrigley Field | Brooklyn 2 | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore 2015: Central Park 2016: Philadelphia 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 | Fenway Park 2 | MSG (TOTD) 2017: Brooklyn (RnR HOF) 2020: MSG | Asbury Park2021: Asbury Park 2022: MSG | Camden | Nashville 2024: MSG 1 & 2 (#50) | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore
Keep in mind that only a small percentage of members actually post here or on facebook. We are not seeing anything close to the whole picture. Yes, the process could be improved, and yes TM has made major mistakes in the past. It is is an imperfect system, and truthfully, it always has been.
Agreed, but it should be a representative sample
online sampling would almost never be representative without very manicured curation, at its core it over compensates towards people who are heavy users of social media and online forums, which at its absolute best represents about 15-20% of demographic segments. Then add a situation that is highly contentious like a ticket draw you are going to over compensate for people who are constantly online either sharing every success or every failure looking for validation. Online sampling is the land of confirmation bias and nutpicking.
Keep in mind that only a small percentage of members actually post here or on facebook. We are not seeing anything close to the whole picture. Yes, the process could be improved, and yes TM has made major mistakes in the past. It is is an imperfect system, and truthfully, it always has been.
Agreed, but it should be a representative sample
Not really. Negative experiences are much more likely to be reported than positive ones. How many times do you call customer service just to say everything was great?
I've seen all types of results reported, I do every lottery. Comparing this to customer service is false equivalency.
Negative experiences will always draw a more passionate response.
1996: Randall's Island 2 1998: East Rutherford | MSG 1 & 2 2000: Cincinnati | Columbus | Jones Beach 1, 2, & 3 | Boston 1 | Camden 1 & 2 2003: Philadelphia | Uniondale | MSG 1 & 2 | Holmdel 2005: Atlantic City 1 2006: Camden 1 | East Rutherford 1 & 2 2008: Camden 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 | Newark (EV) 2009: Philadelphia 1, 2 & 4 2010: Newark | MSG 1 & 2 2011: Toronto 1 2013: Wrigley Field | Brooklyn 2 | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore 2015: Central Park 2016: Philadelphia 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 | Fenway Park 2 | MSG (TOTD) 2017: Brooklyn (RnR HOF) 2020: MSG | Asbury Park2021: Asbury Park 2022: MSG | Camden | Nashville 2024: MSG 1 & 2 (#50) | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore
Keep in mind that only a small percentage of members actually post here or on facebook. We are not seeing anything close to the whole picture. Yes, the process could be improved, and yes TM has made major mistakes in the past. It is is an imperfect system, and truthfully, it always has been.
Agreed, but it should be a representative sample
Not really. Negative experiences are much more likely to be reported than positive ones. How many times do you call customer service just to say everything was great?
I've seen all types of results reported, I do every lottery. Comparing this to customer service is false equivalency.
Negative experiences will always draw a more passionate response.
Keep in mind that only a small percentage of members actually post here or on facebook. We are not seeing anything close to the whole picture. Yes, the process could be improved, and yes TM has made major mistakes in the past. It is is an imperfect system, and truthfully, it always has been.
Agreed, but it should be a representative sample
Not really. Negative experiences are much more likely to be reported than positive ones. How many times do you call customer service just to say everything was great?
Seems that people who hit the jackpot want to crow about that as much as the losers want to complain. Maybe the middle of the road results are underreported
This. I'm one who never mentioned what I got. It's about what I expected, but not quite what I'd hoped and better than I feared. No point in me really talking about it.
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
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2008 Mansfield 06/28, 06/30 | 2009 Philadelphia 10/27, 10/28, 10/31 | 2010 Boston 05/17 | 2013 Worcester 10/15, 10/16 - Hartford 10/25 |
2016 Boston 08/05, 08/07 - Chicago 08/20, 08/22 | 2018 Seattle 08/08, 08/10 - Boston 09/02, 09/04 | 2022 Denver, 09/22
Unfortunately, unless we all stop going to shows, Ticketmaster has zero incentive to change anything.
Hartford 10.02.96 | Mansfield 2 09.16.98 | Mansfield 1 08.29.00 | Mansfield 1 07.02.03 | Mansfield 3 07.11.03 | Boston 2 05.25.06 | Tampa 04.11.16 | Fenway 1 08.05.16 | Fenway 2 08.07.16 | Fenway 1 09.02.18 | Fenway 2 09.04.18 | Baltimore 03.28.20 | Hamilton 09.06.22 | Toronto 09.08.22 | Nashville 09.16.22 | St Louis 09.18.22
"He made the deal with the devil, we get to play with him.
He goes to hell, of course. We're going to heaven."
Not really. Negative experiences are much more likely to be reported than positive ones. How many times do you call customer service just to say everything was great?
I'm sure middle of the road results are under reported. But I would consider middle of the road or 50/50 results in the lottery to be a success.
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Negative experiences will always draw a more passionate response.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.