the fact that selecting GA/P1 and P1 separately would increase your odds makes no sense at all
Then why would it say this at the selection point? At first I only registered for GA/P1 as well. I went back and changed to checking both boxes, after rereading everything, because I knew if denied GA, my P1 seats would be fine based on prior seats I have had there in 2016/2018 and my 10C# senority.
192xxx 6/26+27/98, 10/8/00 (IB), 6/21/03, 9/3+4/11 (PJ20) - East Troy 6/29/98, 10/9/00, 6/18/03, 5/16+17/06, 8/23+24/09, 8/20+22/16, 8/18+20/18, 8/29+31/24 - Chicago 6/6/03 - Las Vegas 10/5/04, 9/18/22 - St. Louis 6/29/06, 10/20/14 - Milwaukee 11/19/13 - Phoenix 4/26/16 - Lexington
the fact that selecting GA/P1 and P1 separately would increase your odds makes no sense at all
It shouldn’t have made a difference but who knows what they put in the algos. They put all kinds of stuff in the verified fan qualification algorithm supposedly ranging from number of requests to proximity to the show etc….
Just spitballing here...What if you did not get picked for GA and a glitch of some kind did not then dump you into the P1 lottery like it should have? That could easily result in a shutout of the whole show. By selecting the 2nd box, you would then be in it for sure.
192xxx 6/26+27/98, 10/8/00 (IB), 6/21/03, 9/3+4/11 (PJ20) - East Troy 6/29/98, 10/9/00, 6/18/03, 5/16+17/06, 8/23+24/09, 8/20+22/16, 8/18+20/18, 8/29+31/24 - Chicago 6/6/03 - Las Vegas 10/5/04, 9/18/22 - St. Louis 6/29/06, 10/20/14 - Milwaukee 11/19/13 - Phoenix 4/26/16 - Lexington
My guess would be 1st or 2nd week of March (at least for the Leg 1 shows), but it is not known at this point.
OK thanks! I need to offload some shows. I went 4/4 and was not expecting that having been shut out for years!
which shows, I might be interested? I went 0/3 :(
If you have any philly dates I would be interested...got shut out
As of now I'm most likely letting go of the Monday night Philly show. It would be through Fan to Fan so it would require coordination if that's what I do. I'm waiting to see where all the seats on and then making final call on what shows I'm letting go of.
It's possible that the 10c is getting additional allocations of tickets today, to distribute tomorrow. Without a rejection email, this is all just crying about nothing.
That being said, I do not have high hopes that my L.A. requests will be confirmed at this point. I'm just saying, it's possible they're working on getting more tickets. I'm sure the demand for this tour is higher than the last one, simply based on the response to Dark Matter.
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It's possible for each show there were 3 individual pulls for tickets. First was for the GA section, then the P1 seats, and then for P2 seats. If you checked all three you would have 3 chances to get seats.
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the fact that selecting GA/P1 and P1 separately would increase your odds makes no sense at all
It shouldn’t have made a difference but who knows what they put in the algos. They put all kinds of stuff in the verified fan qualification algorithm supposedly ranging from number of requests to proximity to the show etc….
this is the real issue. there's no transparency with any of it. we're just supposed to trust Ticketmaster! lmfao.
This show, another show, a show here and a show there.
It's possible for each show there were 3 individual pulls for tickets. First was for the GA section, then the P1 seats, and then for P2 seats. If you checked all three you would have 3 chances to get seats.
Why wouldn't you have a chance at P1 if you only checked GA-P1 and P2? Or were there really 4 potential chances, GA, P1 linked to GA, P1 standalone, and P2.
I got P1s for Vegas and B'more and only checked the GA-P1 box but not the P1 standalone box
Ill shoot my shot. Picked SEA N1 and N2 as well as Baltimore got shot down for all.....if anyone already knows they wont be going to those and got the 10C wins, id be down to coordinate a f2f when the time comes. singles for both SEA and 2 for Baltimore....please and thanks!
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Correct, the system is very flawed or corrupt. Simple statistics show multiple people shouldn't be winning 8 shows and others getting nothing. Time to stop wasting money on the ten club if this is how things are being handled.
If every requester has exactly the same chance as every other requester at every show requested this absolutely could happen as winning a show has zero effect on winning any other show. It's even possible the same 10 clubber could have been drawn as the first for every single show.
This!
Everyone knows it's possible. But if the odds of it happening are 1 in 10 million, yet the actual results are 1 in 100, something is wrong.
People are getting confused with lottery odds. If I have a ten percent chance to win a high demand show and win, I still have a ten percent chance of winning the next show.
but to win both, my odds are 1% (10%*10%)
We are seeing fans go four for four (ny and Balt one chance each, Philly two chances)
the odds of hitting all four assuming 10% odds are 10%*10%*10%*10% or 0.01%.
to see that happen multiple times is astounding. It’s possible but very very strange.
But we don't know what the odds for each show are. That makes a difference. Odds for pulling an MSG ticket were very low, due to both demand and fewer available seats. But what were the odds for, say, Portland? If there was a 90% chance of getting a ticket to one show, 75% chance at another, 25% chance at getting Philly 2, 10% chance of getting an MSG show, your total odds are different.
And yes, if the odds of getting a ticket were 95%, someone still was getting shut out. I got Philly 1 and 2 but not Seattle 2, that's just how it turned out.
Yup. We have no idea if there are more or fewer people in the 10c now than when those odds were published years ago. We have no idea if the price change kept people from entering the lotto or made people enter for fewer shows than years past. Or the absence of priority for that matter. Did everyone check all the ticket type boxes or just one? Did that matter? We just don't know.
But I would add that if a result seems impossible based on a set of assumptions, then perhaps it's time to reassess those assumptions.
Correct, the system is very flawed or corrupt. Simple statistics show multiple people shouldn't be winning 8 shows and others getting nothing. Time to stop wasting money on the ten club if this is how things are being handled.
If every requester has exactly the same chance as every other requester at every show requested this absolutely could happen as winning a show has zero effect on winning any other show. It's even possible the same 10 clubber could have been drawn as the first for every single show.
This!
Everyone knows it's possible. But if the odds of it happening are 1 in 10 million, yet the actual results are 1 in 100, something is wrong.
People are getting confused with lottery odds. If I have a ten percent chance to win a high demand show and win, I still have a ten percent chance of winning the next show.
but to win both, my odds are 1% (10%*10%)
We are seeing fans go four for four (ny and Balt one chance each, Philly two chances)
the odds of hitting all four assuming 10% odds are 10%*10%*10%*10% or 0.01%.
to see that happen multiple times is astounding. It’s possible but very very strange.
But we don't know what the odds for each show are. That makes a difference. Odds for pulling an MSG ticket were very low, due to both demand and fewer available seats. But what were the odds for, say, Portland? If there was a 90% chance of getting a ticket to one show, 75% chance at another, 25% chance at getting Philly 2, 10% chance of getting an MSG show, your total odds are different.
And yes, if the odds of getting a ticket were 95%, someone still was getting shut out. I got Philly 1 and 2 but not Seattle 2, that's just how it turned out.
Yup. We have no idea if there are more or fewer people in the 10c now than when those odds were published years ago. We have no idea if the price change kept people from entering the lotto or made people enter for fewer shows than years past. Or the absence of priority for that matter. Did everyone check all the ticket type boxes or just one? Did that matter? We just don't know.
But I would add that if a result seems impossible based on a set of assumptions, then perhaps it's time to reassess those assumptions.
It's possible for each show there were 3 individual pulls for tickets. First was for the GA section, then the P1 seats, and then for P2 seats. If you checked all three you would have 3 chances to get seats.
Some shows didn't have P2.
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
I remember when having a good 10C number actually mattered. That was cool. Now we live in this "everyone gets a trophy" era and my years of faithfully maintaining my membership seems to not matter. What's the point of having membership numbers if we're all just the same ping-pong ball in a lottery machine?
I remember when having a good 10C number actually mattered. That was cool. Now we live in this "everyone gets a trophy" era and my years of faithfully maintaining my membership seems to not matter. What's the point of having membership numbers if we're all just the same ping-pong ball in a lottery machine?
It's been a long time where 10c number hasn't helped you actually win entry
I remember when having a good 10C number actually mattered. That was cool. Now we live in this "everyone gets a trophy" era and my years of faithfully maintaining my membership seems to not matter. What's the point of having membership numbers if we're all just the same ping-pong ball in a lottery machine?
If everyone got a trophy everyone would get tickets. And your number has zero to do with getting tickets.
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It's possible for each show there were 3 individual pulls for tickets. First was for the GA section, then the P1 seats, and then for P2 seats. If you checked all three you would have 3 chances to get seats.
Why wouldn't you have a chance at P1 if you only checked GA-P1 and P2? Or were there really 4 potential chances, GA, P1 linked to GA, P1 standalone, and P2.
I got P1s for Vegas and B'more and only checked the GA-P1 box but not the P1 standalone box
I'm just trying to make sense of the "increase your chances" lingo from the instructions.
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I remember when having a good 10C number actually mattered. That was cool. Now we live in this "everyone gets a trophy" era and my years of faithfully maintaining my membership seems to not matter. What's the point of having membership numbers if we're all just the same ping-pong ball in a lottery machine?
When was that, 25-30 years ago? It's been a lottery for a long, long time.
Seniority is for seat location....although mine have been getting worse through the duration of my 20 year membership.
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
the fact that selecting GA/P1 and P1 separately would increase your odds makes no sense at all
Well...except for the fact that the Ten Club said it did in the Pre-Sale info.
I believe that was more meaning select P1 and P2 , but who knows for sure
Right, "selecting multiple seat preferences will increase your chances" -- i.e., selecting GA-P1 increases your chances compared to just P1, and adding P2 increases your chances further, but checking P1 in addition to GA-P1 shouldn't increase your chances because P1 is the same seat preference you already selected. Unless there was a second pool of P1s that weren't included in the GA-P1 pool. If that's not the case, then P1 only should have been disabled (or automatically checked) once you selected GA-P1.
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on2legs
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It's possible for each show there were 3 individual pulls for tickets. First was for the GA section, then the P1 seats, and then for P2 seats. If you checked all three you would have 3 chances to get seats.
Some shows didn't have P2.
Then you would just select whatever is available. I'm not saying this is what happened. Just trying to understand the instructions and why they said it would increase your chances.
1996: Randall's Island 2 1998: East Rutherford | MSG 1 & 2 2000: Cincinnati | Columbus | Jones Beach 1, 2, & 3 | Boston 1 | Camden 1 & 2 2003: Philadelphia | Uniondale | MSG 1 & 2 | Holmdel 2005: Atlantic City 1 2006: Camden 1 | East Rutherford 1 & 2 2008: Camden 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 | Newark (EV) 2009: Philadelphia 1, 2 & 4 2010: Newark | MSG 1 & 2 2011: Toronto 1 2013: Wrigley Field | Brooklyn 2 | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore 2015: Central Park 2016: Philadelphia 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 | Fenway Park 2 | MSG (TOTD) 2017: Brooklyn (RnR HOF) 2020: MSG | Asbury Park2021: Asbury Park 2022: MSG | Camden | Nashville 2024: MSG 1 & 2 (#50) | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore
I remember when having a good 10C number actually mattered. That was cool. Now we live in this "everyone gets a trophy" era and my years of faithfully maintaining my membership seems to not matter. What's the point of having membership numbers if we're all just the same ping-pong ball in a lottery machine?
When was that, 25-30 years ago? It's been a lottery for a long, long time.
Seniority is for seat location....although mine have been getting worse through the duration of my 20 year membership.
That makes sense though; as someone who became member last week pulls a GA, that pushes all seniority back by that seat, etc. etc. Plus changes in configurations of 10C seat sales in venues as well.
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Then why would it say this at the selection point? At first I only registered for GA/P1 as well. I went back and changed to checking both boxes, after rereading everything, because I knew if denied GA, my P1 seats would be fine based on prior seats I have had there in 2016/2018 and my 10C# senority.
6/26+27/98, 10/8/00 (IB), 6/21/03, 9/3+4/11 (PJ20) - East Troy
6/29/98, 10/9/00, 6/18/03, 5/16+17/06, 8/23+24/09, 8/20+22/16, 8/18+20/18, 8/29+31/24 - Chicago
6/6/03 - Las Vegas
10/5/04, 9/18/22 - St. Louis
6/29/06, 10/20/14 - Milwaukee
11/19/13 - Phoenix
4/26/16 - Lexington
5/28/06
7/6/06
6/26+27/98, 10/8/00 (IB), 6/21/03, 9/3+4/11 (PJ20) - East Troy
6/29/98, 10/9/00, 6/18/03, 5/16+17/06, 8/23+24/09, 8/20+22/16, 8/18+20/18, 8/29+31/24 - Chicago
6/6/03 - Las Vegas
10/5/04, 9/18/22 - St. Louis
6/29/06, 10/20/14 - Milwaukee
11/19/13 - Phoenix
4/26/16 - Lexington
That being said, I do not have high hopes that my L.A. requests will be confirmed at this point. I'm just saying, it's possible they're working on getting more tickets. I'm sure the demand for this tour is higher than the last one, simply based on the response to Dark Matter.
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I got P1s for Vegas and B'more and only checked the GA-P1 box but not the P1 standalone box
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2008: Washington, D.C.
2010: Bristow, VA
2013: Baltimore, MD
2016: Hampton, VA
2020: Baltimore, MD
2023: Noblesville, IN TBD
2024: Seattle, WA N1 and N2
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
Yup. We have no idea if there are more or fewer people in the 10c now than when those odds were published years ago. We have no idea if the price change kept people from entering the lotto or made people enter for fewer shows than years past. Or the absence of priority for that matter. Did everyone check all the ticket type boxes or just one? Did that matter? We just don't know.
But I would add that if a result seems impossible based on a set of assumptions, then perhaps it's time to reassess those assumptions.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
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2013-11-16 OKC | 2014-10-09 Lincoln | 2014-10-17 Moline | 2014-10-19 St. Paul | 2014-10-20 Milwaukee | 2016-08-20 Chicago
2016-08-22 Chicago | 2018-08-18 Chicago | 2018-08-20 Chicago | 2022-05-09 Phoenix | 2022-05-20 Las Vegas | 2022-09-18 St. Louis
2022-09-20 OKC | 2023-08-31 St. Paul | 2023-09-02 St. Paul | 2024-05-16 Las Vegas | 2024-05-18 Las Vegas | 2024-08-31 Chicago
I'm just trying to make sense of the "increase your chances" lingo from the instructions.
Seniority is for seat location....although mine have been getting worse through the duration of my 20 year membership.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
Then you would just select whatever is available. I'm not saying this is what happened. Just trying to understand the instructions and why they said it would increase your chances.
6/26+27/98, 10/8/00 (IB), 6/21/03, 9/3+4/11 (PJ20) - East Troy
6/29/98, 10/9/00, 6/18/03, 5/16+17/06, 8/23+24/09, 8/20+22/16, 8/18+20/18, 8/29+31/24 - Chicago
6/6/03 - Las Vegas
10/5/04, 9/18/22 - St. Louis
6/29/06, 10/20/14 - Milwaukee
11/19/13 - Phoenix
4/26/16 - Lexington