Granted my 10C number is good so very little downside to check boxes check boxes check more boxes.
Except if there was a Fenway P2 I wouldn't have checked that box.
I was in "Fenway P2" in 2016 - aka the jabroni section. A bunch of bozos sitting on their hands during friggin In Hiding.
Happy to not traipse all the way up there this year.
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Everything Shza has posted in these 99 pages I agree with 100%. Pretty sure there are still major flaws with this process that are not fully understood because no one knows exactly how the draws take place. 10club or TM could very easily lay out the exact procedure. They choose not too so we are left with the unknown. And I can’t overstate it enough but the show priority elimination was terrible mistake.
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I love floor seats! Some photos from 5/2/16 at MSG when Ed decided to stroll into the crowd and climb up on the rail right in front of me. We were dead center in row 1 behind GA.
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So if this gives anyone hope, I just got confirmed for both Seattle shows (today, Tuesday, Feb 20th, around 2:10 PM) even though I assumed I didn't get these tix since I didn't get any emails about Seattle yesterday.
Just got my card re-charged by 10c after yesterdays fraud alert
IN FOR MSG NIGHT 2 GA!!!
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So if this gives anyone hope, I just got confirmed for both Seattle shows (today, Tuesday, Feb 20th, around 2:10 PM) even though I assumed I didn't get these tix since I didn't get any emails about Seattle yesterday.
This does give me hope for my LA show request! Thanks, I'll keep hope alive until I get the "Sorry" email!
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All I know is if the instructions say to select multiple options to increase your chance of getting tickets then I'm selecting every option I can.
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I remember when having a good 10C number actually mattered. That was cool. Now we live in this "everyone gets a trophy" era and my years of faithfully maintaining my membership seems to not matter. What's the point of having membership numbers if we're all just the same ping-pong ball in a lottery machine?
Agreed. you're getting 3 chances at the show. If you lose GA/P1 you get thrown into plain P1, lose that you get another chance at P2.
That's how we won Baltimore, a show we really wanted.
Why would P1 be separate draw for p1 seats than GA/p1?
Because it's a completely different option. There is no GA only option anymore, so if you want P1, you check every possible way you can get it.
But it could just mean that if you select GA-P1 instead of P1 by itself, then you have the added possibility of getting GA in addition to P1, rather than reducing your chances of getting P1 if you don't check both boxes.
I guess I should’ve checked both boxes. I just checked GA/P1 thinking if I didn’t get GA I’d get P1. I didn’t check both bcuz I thought that the P1 box was just for a person who definitely wanted a seat and not GA at all.
That logic seems incorrect. They were color coded and specifically labeled as p1. The distinction was p1 seated Vs p1 chance to be standing. They were giving fans the opportunity to pick a seat and rule out a chance to be standing, If anyone has the msg chart, please repost it, thanks.
People act like this is cracking the Enigma code. Any one of a couple very simple and reasonable fixes to the system would help improve it.
1. Allow show prioritization again - the easiest and least impactful to PJ's bottom line. 2. Allow GA only selection again - the least likely (see PJ bottom line).
For those that think this process is good, knowing that some 10C members go 10/10 and others go 0/10:
A. They probably won a whole bunch of shows and/or GA selections. B. They are blindly devoted to anything 10C or PJ. C. They are lying to themselves.
Yes I know how lotteries work and yes I've successfully taken college level probability and statistics courses. The fact is that the system is majorly flawed and can be vastly improved by one simple fix (see #1 above).
Agreed. you're getting 3 chances at the show. If you lose GA/P1 you get thrown into plain P1, lose that you get another chance at P2.
That's how we won Baltimore, a show we really wanted.
Why would P1 be separate draw for p1 seats than GA/p1?
Because it's a completely different option. There is no GA only option anymore, so if you want P1, you check every possible way you can get it.
But it could just mean that if you select GA-P1 instead of P1 by itself, then you have the added possibility of getting GA in addition to P1, rather than reducing your chances of getting P1 if you don't check both boxes.
I guess I should’ve checked both boxes. I just checked GA/P1 thinking if I didn’t get GA I’d get P1. I didn’t check both bcuz I thought that the P1 box was just for a person who definitely wanted a seat and not GA at all.
You would have gotten P1 reserved if there were those seats left when your entry came up, or however it works. Checking both P1 boxes wouldn't have increased your odds. At least that's how I understood it.
People act like this is cracking the Enigma code. Any one of a couple very simple and reasonable fixes to the system would help improve it.
1. Allow show prioritization again - the easiest and least impactful to PJ's bottom line. 2. Allow GA only selection again - the least likely (see PJ bottom line).
For those that think this process is good, knowing that some 10C members go 10/10 and others go 0/10:
A. They probably won a whole bunch of shows and/or GA selections. B. They are blindly devoted to anything 10C or PJ. C. They are lying to themselves.
Yes I know how lotteries work and yes I've successfully taken college level probability and statistics courses. The fact is that the system is majorly flawed and can be vastly improved by one simple fix (see #1 above).
I'm not sure anyone thinks this version of the lottery is "good", just some rubbing up against the idea that it was rigged, or somehow designed to screw them over.
"I'm a lucky man, to count on both hands the [shows I've done]. Some folks just have one, others they got none..."
The fact is that the system is majorly flawed and can be vastly improved by one simple fix (see #1 above).
It's terribly flawed for the fans. The truth is, ever since TM took over the lottery, we've basically lost a feature each tour (first Odds, then GA only, now Priority). I'm guessing TM wants to put in as little time as possible while making sure every ticket gets sold at the max price.
Just got an e-mail that I won LA night 1 reserve P1 , e-mail came 20 minutes ago. I now have 3 confirmations and 4 charges
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I love floor seats! Some photos from 5/2/16 at MSG when Ed decided to stroll into the crowd and climb up on the rail right in front of me. We were dead center in row 1 behind GA.
Great photos!! I remember that moment. My 10c tickets were in 106 over to the side. The power went off didn’t? Like the sound dropped out right at that moment?!
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Standing in the Jersey rain… Posts: 14,928
I love floor seats! Some photos from 5/2/16 at MSG when Ed decided to stroll into the crowd and climb up on the rail right in front of me. We were dead center in row 1 behind GA.
Great photos!! I remember that moment. My 10c tickets were in 106 over to the side. The power went off didn’t? Like the sound dropped out right at that moment?!
Ed's mic cutout for a second to the sound system but then kicked right back on. But the bootleg is flawless so it must have still made it to the soundboard.
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People act like this is cracking the Enigma code. Any one of a couple very simple and reasonable fixes to the system would help improve it.
1. Allow show prioritization again - the easiest and least impactful to PJ's bottom line. 2. Allow GA only selection again - the least likely (see PJ bottom line).
For those that think this process is good, knowing that some 10C members go 10/10 and others go 0/10:
A. They probably won a whole bunch of shows and/or GA selections. B. They are blindly devoted to anything 10C or PJ. C. They are lying to themselves.
Yes I know how lotteries work and yes I've successfully taken college level probability and statistics courses. The fact is that the system is majorly flawed and can be vastly improved by one simple fix (see #1 above).
I'm not sure anyone thinks this version of the lottery is "good", just some rubbing up against the idea that it was rigged, or somehow designed to screw them over.
Yes, this. And after last year's debacle with having to redraw the lottery over priority and seat selection issues, it's not unexpected they would dump priority and try something new.
People act like this is cracking the Enigma code. Any one of a couple very simple and reasonable fixes to the system would help improve it.
1. Allow show prioritization again - the easiest and least impactful to PJ's bottom line. 2. Allow GA only selection again - the least likely (see PJ bottom line).
For those that think this process is good, knowing that some 10C members go 10/10 and others go 0/10:
A. They probably won a whole bunch of shows and/or GA selections. B. They are blindly devoted to anything 10C or PJ. C. They are lying to themselves.
Yes I know how lotteries work and yes I've successfully taken college level probability and statistics courses. The fact is that the system is majorly flawed and can be vastly improved by one simple fix (see #1 above).
I got what I wanted (3 for 3, no GA tho), and I can see there were issues and not just the predictable imbalances that would come with no priority. Something funky definitely happened with the 2 night stands in the US. Probably has to do with the alog's used. Unfortunately, as long as TM is allowed to run it, there will be issues. I guess with the F2F, if you're committed to going to a show, you will get in with a couple of exceptions.
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Except if there was a Fenway P2 I wouldn't have checked that box.
Happy to not traipse all the way up there this year.
WF Center 4/28/16; WF Center 4/29/16; Fenway Park 8/7/16; Fenway Park 9/2/18; Asbury Park 9/18/21; Camden 9/14/22;
Las Vegas 5/16/24; Las Vegas 5/18/24; WF Center 9/7/24; WF Center 9/9/24; Baltimore Arena 9/12/24
Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/16
IN FOR MSG NIGHT 2 GA!!!
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2013: London ONT / Wrigley Field / Pittsburgh / Buffalo / San Diego / Los Angeles I / Los Angeles II
2014: Cincinnati / St. Louis / Tulsa / Lincoln / Detroit / Denver
2015: New York City
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2017: Ohana Fest (EV)
2018: Amsterdam I / Amsterdam II / Seattle I / Seattle II / Boston I / Boston II
2021: Asbury Park / Ohana Encore 1 / Ohana Encore 2
2022: Phoenix / LA I / LA II / Quebec City / Ottawa / New York City / Camden / Nashville / St. Louis / Denver
2023: St. Paul II
2024: Las Vegas I / Las Vegas II / New York City I / New York City II / Philly I / Philly II / Baltimore
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1. Allow show prioritization again - the easiest and least impactful to PJ's bottom line.
2. Allow GA only selection again - the least likely (see PJ bottom line).
For those that think this process is good, knowing that some 10C members go 10/10 and others go 0/10:
A. They probably won a whole bunch of shows and/or GA selections.
B. They are blindly devoted to anything 10C or PJ.
C. They are lying to themselves.
Yes I know how lotteries work and yes I've successfully taken college level probability and statistics courses. The fact is that the system is majorly flawed and can be vastly improved by one simple fix (see #1 above).
I'm not sure anyone thinks this version of the lottery is "good", just some rubbing up against the idea that it was rigged, or somehow designed to screw them over.
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2011.....Toronto N1, Toronto N2, Hamilton
2013.....London, Buffalo
2014.....Detroit
2016.....Toronto N1 Toronto N2, Boston N1, Boston N2, Chicago N1
2018.....Seattle N1, Seattle N2
2022.....San Diego, Los Angeles N1, Los Angeles N2, Phoenix, Oakland N1, Oakland N2, Quebec City, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto
2023.....Fort Worth N1, Fort Worth N2, Austin N1, Austin N2
2024.....Las Vegas N1, Las Vegas N2, Los Angeles N1, Los Angeles N2, Boston N1, Boston N2
2025.....????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Ed's mic cutout for a second to the sound system but then kicked right back on. But the bootleg is flawless so it must have still made it to the soundboard.
Yes, this. And after last year's debacle with having to redraw the lottery over priority and seat selection issues, it's not unexpected they would dump priority and try something new.
or not.
But I’m happy with my results.
4/7, w/3 GA’s.
Couldn’t even sleep last night I was so psyched!