I think it's kinda depressing to see the trajectory of the concert experience (show length and setlist structure) and merch (saturation and cost) crossing paths in opposite directions (down vs. up).
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Not an expert, but if a band is playing 25 songs a night, I'm pretty sure they could do five more. Going from 33-40 songs to about 25 is like a 25% reduction.
The shows are still enjoyed by me, but I guess I figured they would dial it down at a slower rate, like maybe in five years it would be down to 25 songs. Let hope they don't go any lower.
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I was listening once again to the Ed Ved episode on the Smartless podcast the other day (great podcast btw), and in so many words Ed mentioned that if the setlist was set for shows, it would make the process of touring so much easier. So would you guys prefer the tours we've been getting with the variety of songs still in play, or would you prefer a 40 dates NA tour with basically a standard 18 song setlist with maybe 4-6 wildcard songs in play?
Definitely the way it is now. Our daughter and her friends went to the Taylor Swift concert and all she kept saying was "I wonder what the surprise song is going to be?" Couldn't imagine going to a Pearl Jam show and knowing what 99% of the songs I was going to hear were going to be. That's the greatest thing about their tours - it's still exciting to log on and see the final set list on the fanview threads the day after shows, LOL....
Yeah there would definitely always need to be some wildcard songs...I just got the bug of seeing them live last year after a lengthy hiatus for me, so i'm just wishing for more shows haha. It's wild that we picked Pearl Jam as our favorite band, and they're still touring 32+ years later. We got lucky and picked a special band.
I was listening once again to the Ed Ved episode on the Smartless podcast the other day (great podcast btw), and in so many words Ed mentioned that if the setlist was set for shows, it would make the process of touring so much easier. So would you guys prefer the tours we've been getting with the variety of songs still in play, or would you prefer a 40 dates NA tour with basically a standard 18 song setlist with maybe 4-6 wildcard songs in play?
Definitely the way it is now. Our daughter and her friends went to the Taylor Swift concert and all she kept saying was "I wonder what the surprise song is going to be?" Couldn't imagine going to a Pearl Jam show and knowing what 99% of the songs I was going to hear were going to be. That's the greatest thing about their tours - it's still exciting to log on and see the final set list on the fanview threads the day after shows, LOL....
Yeah there would definitely always need to be some wildcard songs...I just got the bug of seeing them live last year after a lengthy hiatus for me, so i'm just wishing for more shows haha. It's wild that we picked Pearl Jam as our favorite band, and they're still touring 32+ years later. We got lucky and picked a special band.
I LOVE Pearl Jam, they have been my favorite band off and on since they first came out, but I also saw Grateful Dead 169 times, they toured for 30+ years, played LONG shows and changed their set every show, I've seen Phish 130+ times, they've played 30+ years, they play LONG shows and change their set list EVERY show, Pearl Jam is just added to the list for me.
Not an expert, but if a band is playing 25 songs a night, I'm pretty sure they could do five more. Going from 33-40 songs to about 25 is like a 25% reduction.
The shows are still enjoyed by me, but I guess I figured they would dial it down at a slower rate, like maybe in five years it would be down to 25 songs. Let hope they don't go any lower.
Matt did an interview somewhere where he said he remembers being at the 25-26 song point and being completely spent and realizing they still had 6-8 songs on the setlist. Not saying it was all him, but I assume as a band they felt they really didn't need to play that long every night. Sucks for fans like us, but I bet a lot of casuals get to the 2 hour mark and are ready to call it a night.
For sure ed talks a lot and slow. I used to think it made the show . But now I think there is no time for it. . Allow for it and be on stage longer . simple
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i love the Ed stories. i do think one of the benefits of a shorter show is that the songs are now played at the "correct" tempos as opposed to years past when they sped everything up like the Ramones. i hope to get a slightly longer show in Austin since it's the last shows of the tour.
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The confusing thing to me is in 2006 most shows were around the 2 hour 15 minute mark they are at now. (Approximately)
They are somehow playing 4 to 5 less songs in the same of amount of time.
That is a result of Eddie talking/telling more stories.
I remember going to the San Diego show last year and someone clocked Eddie's total talking/story time at something like 20+ mins.
They're also playing the songs at album pace again instead of turbo. It's much more enjoyable to hear Corduroy and Given to Fly when they're not rushed.
The confusing thing to me is in 2006 most shows were around the 2 hour 15 minute mark they are at now. (Approximately)
They are somehow playing 4 to 5 less songs in the same of amount of time.
That is a result of Eddie talking/telling more stories.
I remember going to the San Diego show last year and someone clocked Eddie's total talking/story time at something like 20+ mins.
They're also playing the songs at album pace again instead of turbo. It's much more enjoyable to hear Corduroy and Given to Fly when they're not rushed.
I disagree here. Album pace is boring and slow to me. I'm a rocker not an adult contemporary slo jam guy
Not an expert, but if a band is playing 25 songs a night, I'm pretty sure they could do five more. Going from 33-40 songs to about 25 is like a 25% reduction.
The shows are still enjoyed by me, but I guess I figured they would dial it down at a slower rate, like maybe in five years it would be down to 25 songs. Let hope they don't go any lower.
Shows with 33 or more songs were the exception, not the norm. I think the number of shows with 36 or more songs can be counted on one hand. Maybe two.
The confusing thing to me is in 2006 most shows were around the 2 hour 15 minute mark they are at now. (Approximately)
They are somehow playing 4 to 5 less songs in the same of amount of time.
That is a result of Eddie talking/telling more stories.
I remember going to the San Diego show last year and someone clocked Eddie's total talking/story time at something like 20+ mins.
They're also playing the songs at album pace again instead of turbo. It's much more enjoyable to hear Corduroy and Given to Fly when they're not rushed.
I disagree here. Album pace is boring and slow to me. I'm a rocker not an adult contemporary slo jam guy
Meh, I'll take quality over speed and quantity. Don't get me wrong, I want them to play 35 songs, quality is going to be lacking unless they do another full acoustic set.
The confusing thing to me is in 2006 most shows were around the 2 hour 15 minute mark they are at now. (Approximately)
They are somehow playing 4 to 5 less songs in the same of amount of time.
That is a result of Eddie talking/telling more stories.
I remember going to the San Diego show last year and someone clocked Eddie's total talking/story time at something like 20+ mins.
They're also playing the songs at album pace again instead of turbo. It's much more enjoyable to hear Corduroy and Given to Fly when they're not rushed.
I disagree here. Album pace is boring and slow to me. I'm a rocker not an adult contemporary slo jam guy
What on Ten is adult contemporary slo jam and not "rock"
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Bingo, there's a lot of 'expert' opinion on what the band should and shouldn't do these days. They know the show they want to play and people are turning up in their droves to see it. I dare say 32 years into their touring lives they have pretty much got a good formula by this stage.
Bingo, there's a lot of 'expert' opinion on what the band should and shouldn't do these days. They know the show they want to play and people are turning up in their droves to see it. I dare say 32 years into their touring lives they have pretty much got a good formula by this stage.
Roll on 2024, I'll take whatever I can get
Every time I start to think they mail it in, I see a show like Camden. I keep saying it, but when Ed and the band are playing live, there is really no other place on the planet I would rather be.
Of course some of the taking is long & ramble-y on purpose so the other guys can catch their breath…
Why do people, like you, say it's so the other members can catch a breath -- and not that it's for himself.
Because we all know it’s for him too? I never said it wasn’t him, I said it’s not only him. Also, ”people like you” is an interesting (and very assumptive) statement from a person who’s never met me.
You'll never convince me that shorter set lists are better, and their peak for me will always be 2013 - 2016... having said that, I had zero problems w/ 24 songs each night in St Paul. The shows were awesome and if shorter sets means they can tour more in the coming years, I'm all for it.
Yeah it was. Maybe it's because it was a Tuesday night after a long weekend and maybe it's because I'm getting old but 2:30 and getting out before midnight was great. Still a little slow this morning, however.
You'll never convince me that shorter set lists are better, and their peak for me will always be 2013 - 2016... having said that, I had zero problems w/ 24 songs each night in St Paul. The shows were awesome and if shorter sets means they can tour more in the coming years, I'm all for it.
Nah the peak was 1998-2003. Some might say it was earlier. Just glad they still play.
You'll never convince me that shorter set lists are better, and their peak for me will always be 2013 - 2016... having said that, I had zero problems w/ 24 songs each night in St Paul. The shows were awesome and if shorter sets means they can tour more in the coming years, I'm all for it.
Nah the peak was 1998-2003. Some might say it was earlier. Just glad they still play.
The shows I saw between '98 & '00 must have been aberrations then, because they were nothing compared to what I saw them do between '13 & '16.
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The shows are still enjoyed by me, but I guess I figured they would dial it down at a slower rate, like maybe in five years it would be down to 25 songs. Let hope they don't go any lower.
-Christopher Walken
you're=you are
your=showing ownership
The truth has a well known liberal bias.
-Stephen Colbert
I LOVE Pearl Jam, they have been my favorite band off and on since they first came out, but I also saw Grateful Dead 169 times, they toured for 30+ years, played LONG shows and changed their set every show, I've seen Phish 130+ times, they've played 30+ years, they play LONG shows and change their set list EVERY show, Pearl Jam is just added to the list for me.
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They are somehow playing 4 to 5 less songs in the same of amount of time.
Would like to see the tempo increase and shorter solos to get back to having the 2nd encore with 4 more songs.
The length isn't the issue it's the set list management that is suffering. Too many lengthy solos and 7 minute songs.
I remember going to the San Diego show last year and someone clocked Eddie's total talking/story time at something like 20+ mins.
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Roll on 2024, I'll take whatever I can get
Every time I start to think they mail it in, I see a show like Camden. I keep saying it, but when Ed and the band are playing live, there is really no other place on the planet I would rather be.
i wish i wish i wish i wish, i guess it never stops
60 different songs played
with a handful a repeats each night
6 shows left
Will they keep this up through the whole tour?
Also, ”people like you” is an interesting (and very assumptive) statement from a person who’s never met me.
Nah the peak was 1998-2003. Some might say it was earlier. Just glad they still play.